WWE Night Of Champions 2013 - Pre Show Thread *Spoilers*

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No matches set yet but likely could be

Randy Orton (C) Vs. Daniel Bryan for WWE Title
Alberto Del Rio (C) Vs. RVD Vs. Christian for WHC Title
Cody Rhodes Vs. Damien Sandow for MITB contract briefcase for WHC title shot
CM Punk Vs. Axel Curtis (C) for IC Title
The Miz Vs. Fandango
Dean Ambrose (C) Vs. Dolph Ziggler for US Title
AJ Lee Vs. Kaitlyn Vs. Natayla Vs. Layla Vs. Brie Bella Vs. Nikki Bella for Divas Title
Mark Henry and Big Show Vs. The Shield Vs. PTP Vs. USOs

Jester252

Punk might be the IC champion going into the PPV

Someone will be losing their title. All the titles are now held by heels.
Doubt they will have a fatal four way for the tag titles. I guess it would be PTP vs. Shield

deano546

According to Alvarez on his podcast, this is the current card, which will probably have changed a bit by the time the PPV happens of course:
Orton vs Bryan for the WWE Title, Probably some sort of gimmick match.
Reigns and Rollins vs Big Show and Henry for the Tag Team Titles.
Del Rio vs RVD for the WHC.
Punk vs Axel (He seemed to think this could be changed to someone else other than Axel).
Ambrose vs Ziggler for the US Title.
AJ vs 1 of the cast of Total Divas for the Divas Title.
Ryback vs somebody TBD
Wyatt Family vs The Usos

Bounty Hunter

Jester252 wrote: »

Punk might be the IC champion going into the PPV

Someone will be losing their title. All the titles are now held by heels.
Doubt they will have a fatal four way for the tag titles. I guess it would be PTP vs. Shield

I would have thought it would be Show/Henry vs The Shield while the PTP feud with the Real Americans.

guessing if they do have Orton vs Bryan there will be some rediculous stipulation making it seem like the odds are 100% against Bryan.

Would like to see Nattie get a match against AJ seing as she won at the last PPV and it would work as a face/heel situation that could also be used to promote total Divas which they are really pushing atm (wonder how many episodes they are having this season, could be near season finale time then but id guess they would have a few more left)

the Rhodes/Sandow match for the MITB briefcase makes sense to me with Cody beating Sandow a few times already since the MITB PPV, but i'd def expect Sandow to get the win if it happens.

Punk vs Axel to be when Brock makes his next appearance, keep the IC title on Axel and set up a Punk vs Brock Hell in a Cell match (that PPV is after this iirc)

For some reason i'd expect Ambrose vs Ziggler to be on the pre show, except maybe Ambrose could make the actual card this time cos its NOC and he's a champion, stick Miz vs Fandango on the pre-show

Jester252

deano546 wrote: »

According to Alvarez on his podcast, this is the current card, which will probably have changed a bit by the time the PPV happens of course:
Orton vs Bryan for the WWE Title, Probably some sort of gimmick match.
Reigns and Rollins vs Big Show and Henry for the Tag Team Titles.
Del Rio vs RVD for the WHC.
Punk vs Axel (He seemed to think this could be changed to someone else other than Axel).
Ambrose vs Ziggler for the US Title.
AJ vs 1 of the cast of Total Divas for the Divas Title.
Ryback vs somebody TBD
Wyatt Family vs The Usos

I would expect Wade Barrett or another member of the new evolution/corporation to be some how involved in the Orton/Bryan match. Triple threat with Wade as the 3rd man so efficiently a 2 on 1 match.

gnfnrhead

Can't see where Christian fits in. Del Rio vs RVD is what it looks like to me.

Dont think the Divas title or the Tag titles will be anything other than 1 vs 1 and 2 vs 2. Those multi Diva matches are usually a Raw thing rather than a PPV thing.

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WWE Title Match
Daniel Bryan vs. Randy Orton

World Heavyweight Title Match
Rob Van Dam vs. Alberto Del Rio

Handicap Elimination Match
CM Punk vs. Paul Heyman and Curtis Axel

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Also added now AJ Lee vs. Brie Bella vs. Naomi vs. Natalya for the Divas title

gnfnrhead

I'm really struggling to see where they go with the Diva's next. Nobody is even close to AJ so I can't see anybody beating her. I just hope they don't decide to go with a Total Diva's title reign to advertise the show.

Jester252

gnfnrhead wrote: »

I'm really struggling to see where they go with the Diva's next. Nobody is even close to AJ so I can't see anybody beating her. I just hope they don't decide to go with a Total Diva's title reign to advertise the show.

That what they're going to do. I say that Naomi or Natalya will pick up the title

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It was announced at last night’s SmackDown tapings that Dean Ambrose will defend his WWE United States Title against Dolph Ziggler

Mr.Saturn

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

It was announced at last night’s SmackDown tapings that Dean Ambrose will defend his WWE United States Title against Dolph Ziggler

Bird?

No.

Plane?

No.

Dolph Ziggler's 'breakout' year plummeting toward Earth?

Possibly.

Jester252

Mr.Saturn wrote: »

Bird?

No.

Plane?

No.

Dolph Ziggler's 'breakout' year plummeting toward Earth?

Possibly.

Having him compete for the US title is better for him than the heavyweight
The Shield are HHH heel stable and involved in the major feud between Bryan and Randy/HHH
Having Dolph in Bryan rag tag group fighting HHH will get him more screen time
Dolph feud with Dean US title
Big Show/Mark feud with Seth/Roman for the tag title
Bryan feud with Orton for the WWE Championship
Leading to a match at Survivor Series and further on.

It better for him than the other two titles
Punk and Paul Heyman are feuding where the IC title is just a side note and the WHC is just Alberto vs. the flavor of the month.

CSF

Yeah, in the current storyline a feud with Ambrose is a pretty good spot to be in. I fancy him to win the match too considering Bryan is unlikely to win his.

andyman

I can see Ziggler winning but the decision being reversed for some reason or another.

Jester252

andyman wrote: »

I can see Ziggler winning but the decision being reversed for some reason or another.

I don't think it would be reversed. Allowing Dolph to pick up the USA title will allow Orton to beat Bryan (not clean) and allow the story line to continue.

rovert

In general this show doesn't seem too Reddit guy friendly.

gnfnrhead

Jester252 wrote: »

I don't think it would be reversed. Allowing Dolph to pick up the USA title will allow Orton to beat Bryan (not clean) and allow the story line to continue.

Considering the heels are destroying Bryan every week, I dont think they have to split it up like that. Think they may be going the BDK route so I'd expect the heels to retain all around. Losing a title within a month could be a deathblow.

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I wonder will HHH add a stip to Orton and Bryan's match or add himself as ref again, be good if Bryan won a match on Raw next week to pick the stip himself either way Orton is still walking out the WWE champion

CSF

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Considering the heels are destroying Bryan every week, I dont think they have to split it up like that. Think they may be going the BDK route so I'd expect the heels to retain all around. Losing a title within a month could be a deathblow.

They would be so stupid to go it this way. People won't tune in every week to watch the same thing happen waiting for it to eventually change, they'll get bored and do something else instead and rightly so.

Orton beating Bryan at NOC is fine once it isn't clean (Bryan has done enough jobbing for the last month) and once some or all of The Shield lose their gold to stars who've also been walked all over by the HHH/Orton regime for the last month without letup.

gnfnrhead

CSF wrote: »

They would be so stupid to go it this way. People won't tune in every week to watch the same thing happen waiting for it to eventually change, they'll get bored and do something else instead and rightly so.

Orton beating Bryan at NOC is fine once it isn't clean (Bryan has done enough jobbing for the last month) and once some or all of The Shield lose their gold to stars who've also been walked all over by the HHH/Orton regime for the last month without letup.

But losing a title so soon could be fatal. If they cant keep the titles, they arent much of a danger. It makes them look bad. Losing, but keeping the titles would be better for the long term future of the stable.

BDK did it great. They were unbeaten for ages and when they finally lost, it was massive and the beginning of the end. A dominate heel faction losing so early kills them. Have them be unbeaten for a while and it will have a bigger pay off.

Personally, I think it was a bad idea to have them have the titles before they even joined together. It reduces the lifespan.

CSF

gnfnrhead wrote: »

But losing a title so soon could be fatal. If they cant keep the titles, they arent much of a danger. It makes them look bad. Losing, but keeping the titles would be better for the long term future of the stable.

BDK did it great. They were unbeaten for ages and when they finally lost, it was massive and the beginning of the end. A dominate heel faction losing so early kills them. Have them be unbeaten for a while and it will have a bigger pay off.

Personally, I think it was a bad idea to have them have the titles before they even joined together. It reduces the lifespan.

The Shield have had the titles for quite a while now, no? Either way, they have a very different role in the WWE now, one which doesn't really need them to have titles and one which kind of pushes the titles into the background. The title aspect of the Ambrose/Ziggler match doesn't seem that significant, for instance. That and no member of the Shield has had a good feud yet involving their title. If there was loads going on involving the Shield and their titles, great, but the tag team belts are barely defended and Ambrose isn't feuding with anyone at all. His last opponent was decided via a Battle Royal the Raw before the PPV.

Jester252

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Considering the heels are destroying Bryan every week, I dont think they have to split it up like that. Think they may be going the BDK route so I'd expect the heels to retain all around. Losing a title within a month could be a deathblow.

Dean had the US title for more than a month. If all members of HHH/Randy group retain how can Bryan and his bunch be any match to them story wise. Dolph, Bryan, Show have been beat down by the new corporation for the past month. If they can't pick up a big win it will just become stale.

gnfnrhead

Jester252 wrote: »

Dean had the US title for more than a month. If all members of HHH/Randy group retain how can Bryan and his bunch be any match to them story wise. Dolph, Bryan, Show have been beat down by the new corporation for the past month. If they can't pick up a big win it will just become stale.

Here's an idea, dont destroy them every week. Have them put up a fight but be unable to get any meaningful victories, as in title matches, due to the numbers.

A dominant heel stable shouldnt be losing titles after a month.

CSF

Jester252 wrote: »

Dean had the US title for more than a month. If all members of HHH/Randy group retain how can Bryan and his bunch be any match to them story wise. Dolph, Bryan, Show have been beat down by the new corporation for the past month. If they can't pick up a big win it will just become stale.

Dean will have had the US title for 3 months as will Rollin and Reigns with the Tag belts. Makes no sense to have every title held by a heel and Axel doesn't seem to be defending his at NOC and the Divas title has no impact on anything, meaning RVD is the only one that could really change that.

Jester252

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Here's an idea, dont destroy them every week. Have them put up a fight but be unable to get any meaningful victories, as in title matches, due to the numbers.

A dominant heel stable shouldnt be losing titles after a month.

How can they be the dominant heel stable if they are losing matches.
This stable is different from previous power stables as all the members had titles before it was set up. Dean, Seth and Roman has had their titles longer than a month.

At NOC the US, WWE and more than likely the tag titles will be on the line. With their opponents being on side of Bryan. Having at least Dean or Seth and Roman lose their title will provide a nice chink in the armor of the heel stable that can be used in order to keep Bryan and his pals contenders for other titles.

gnfnrhead

Again, it's only a month old. Losing titles already makes them look bad and not at all dominant. Bryan should be the one to break them by taking the WWE title and the rest can follow as the group implodes. Ziggler taking the mid card title after a month makes no sense to me.

Jester252

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Again, it's only a month old. Losing titles already makes them look bad and not at all dominant. Bryan should be the one to break them by taking the WWE title and the rest can follow as the group implodes. Ziggler taking the mid card title after a month makes no sense to me.

The stable was formed will all member having gold unlike most other heel stables. Having all the member retain the titles will just destroy Bryan, Dolph and other members of the current rooster credibility to defeat Randy stable.

CSF

I'd be of the opinion that they should have rid The Shield of the titles before starting their new role in WWE. The tag team division is in serious need of a revamp.

Need to go back to the days around the turn of the century where there were tag team tournaments at tonnes of PPV to earn a title shot. Keeps the tag team division going strong. Also I don't think it does the Shield any justice to be feuding with the likes of The Usos or the Prime Time Players, need to get those belts off them (in a way that makes them look as strong as can be) and let the other tag teams try and reignite the division. I mean have the titles even been defended in the last 2 months?

Omackeral

CSF wrote: »

I'd be of the opinion that they should have rid The Shield of the titles before starting their new role in WWE. The tag team division is in serious need of a revamp.

Agree. If they're enforcers, they don't need gold. The Titles actually seperate them a bit. i.e. a tag team and a singles guy rather than a unit.

CSF wrote: »

Need to go back to the days around the turn of the century where there were tag team tournaments at tonnes of PPV to earn a title shot. Keeps the tag team division going strong.

Agree. Tag team Turmoil comes to mind, as do tag team battle royals. We have plenty of duos on the roster now including Los Matadores and I'm hearing Tyson Kidd is back, could reunite with Gabriel as International Airstrike.

CSF wrote: »

Also I don't think it does the Shield any justice to be feuding with the likes of The Usos or the Prime Time Players, need to get those belts off them (in a way that makes them look as strong as can be) and let the other tag teams try and reignite the division.

Probably right again. Does the Shield's modus operandi even suggest they want titles? Lots of other teams around now anyway. PTP, The Uso's, Los Matatadores, The Wyatts and the Real Americans. Could also say Mark Henry/Big Show and 3MB at a push. Even more options with the likes of International Airstrike, Hawkins/Ryder, Kofi/Bourne or Kofi Truth.

CSF wrote: »

I mean have the titles even been defended in the last 2 months?

Maybe on a pre-show.... sorry I mean Kick-Off :rolleyes:

CSF

Very good post Omackeral. I think we could be best friends......... if it wasn't for the whole Bohs thing...

Omackeral

I cannot believe you outted me!!!! As if being a Pro Wrestling fan wasn't cringe enough.



PS- We'll miss ya next year

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Jester252 wrote: »

Having him compete for the US title is better for him than the heavyweight
The Shield are HHH heel stable and involved in the major feud between Bryan and Randy/HHH
Having Dolph in Bryan rag tag group fighting HHH will get him more screen time
Dolph feud with Dean US title
Big Show/Mark feud with Seth/Roman for the tag title
Bryan feud with Orton for the WWE Championship
Leading to a match at Survivor Series and further on.

It better for him than the other two titles
Punk and Paul Heyman are feuding where the IC title is just a side note and the WHC is just Alberto vs. the flavor of the month.

WWE officials are being forced to re-program the Tag Team Title match for Night of Champions due to Mark Henry’s injury. Henry and Big Show were scheduled to face Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins for the titles. With Darren Young and Titus O’Neil getting wins on TV, it looks like they may be getting the shot at Night of Champions.

CSF

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WWE officials are being forced to re-program the Tag Team Title match for Night of Champions due to Mark Henry’s injury. Henry and Big Show were scheduled to face Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins for the titles. With Darren Young and Titus O’Neil getting wins on TV, it looks like they may be getting the shot at Night of Champions.

Probably best to have someone to interfere to help the lads win the titles. Doesn't weaken The Shield and takes the titles they're doing no justice to off them. The Shield being in the tag team title picture right now for me is similar to what Bryan being in a cruiser weight title division before MITB would have been like.

Jester252

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WWE officials are being forced to re-program the Tag Team Title match for Night of Champions due to Mark Henry’s injury. Henry and Big Show were scheduled to face Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins for the titles. With Darren Young and Titus O’Neil getting wins on TV, it looks like they may be getting the shot at Night of Champions.

As Omackeral said it would be good to have Roman and Seth to drop to another tag team not involved in the main story line. Right now the WWE has a lot of potential in the Tag division. PTP, Buzzards, The Usos, 3MB just to name a few and new teams could be formed/ reformed. The Shield can still be involved in the division.

DM_7

With the current storyline maybe if should be ShowMiz reuniting to take on Reigns and Rollins

CSF

DM-ICE wrote: »

With the current storyline maybe if should be ShowMiz reuniting to take on Reigns and Rollins

Don't bet against Big Show/HHH. Obviously that depends on whether HHH has been training. Fairly shocking on the WWE's part that so much is up in the air this close to the event.

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Here’s the updated card:

WWE Title Match
Daniel Bryan vs. Randy Orton

World Heavyweight Title Match
Rob Van Dam vs. Alberto Del Rio

WWE United States Title Match
Dolph Ziggler vs. Dean Ambrose

WWE Divas Title Match
Natalya vs. Naomi vs. Brie Bella vs. AJ Lee

WWE Tag Team Title Match
Winners of Kickoff Pre-show match vs. Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns

Handicap Elimination Match
CM Punk vs. Paul Heyman and Curtis Axel

#1 Contenders Tag Team Turmoil Pre-show Match
3MB vs. Jack Swagger and Antonio Cesaro vs. The Usos vs. Darren Young and Titus O’Neil vs. Tensai and Brodus Clay

gnfnrhead

I'll be shocked if anyone but PTP win that pre-show match. Think they should have thrown the Wyatt's in too though.

Dont think the handicap match is needed. Considering it will likely be early in the show I cant see much happening in it. A straight up IC title match would have been better.

bobby_says_hi

But there's three of the Wyatts. Leaving one out would be strange. The other two aren't good enough wrestlers to believably challenge for the titles. Bray is being pushed as a singles wrestler and they're just his managers

I really hope RVD doesn't win the title. Good wrestler he may be but he would not make a good champion. Not that ADR is any better but it's the lesser of two evils

Natalya getting the win on Raw suggests she'll be involved in the decision somehow. Brie and Naomi are just there to fill space so if AJ retains (and she should) the ending should build towards an AJ/Natalya match

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Anyone else think heel Show will cost Bryan the title here?

CSF

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Anyone else think heel Show will cost Bryan the title here?

It crossed my mind, and I wouldn't completely rule it out, but surely WWE writers can't be that devoid of ideas................can they?

GTR63

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Anyone else think heel Show will cost Bryan the title here?

A heel Big Show what a ground breaking development that'd be.
Not having a go at you Liz but christ the guy has turned 4 times already this year alone(and missed months of tv)

CSF

The best shock of all would be for Big Show to come out, everyone to expect the heel turn and then him to chokeslam HHH to hell, allowing Bryan to win clean.

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GTR63 wrote: »

A heel Big Show what a ground breaking development that'd be.
Not having a go at you Liz but christ the guy has turned 4 times already this year alone(and missed months of tv)

Only 4 :P

CastorTroy

At this point I think Show should get his own term. So there's a heel turn, a face turn and a Show turn where he turns briefly

Lord TSC

I was honestly forgetting this show is tonight.

DM_7

Will The Corporation save Heyman? Heyman gives them Brock down the road in return.

GTR63

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I was honestly forgetting this show is tonight.

Checks tv listings.....Box Office.
Pfft most of the matches have or will be done to death on tv anyway.
Before anyone accuses me NO! I won't be watching a stream later but will read the live thread instead.

sockmo

What are the chances of heyman and axel winning? Almost everyone on the prediction thread think it's a cm punk victory

, I predict a bit of "deux et machina" just as punk is about to knock Heyman around, an interference of some sort.

Bounty Hunter

sockmo wrote: »

What are the chances of heyman and axel winning? Almost everyone on the prediction thread think it's a cm punk victory

, I predict a bit of "deux et machina" just as punk is about to knock Heyman around, an interference of some sort.

I think that will come next PPV personally, but that something will happen this time too so Punk won't be happy despite getting a win.

It's an elimination handicap right? so I think he will eliminate Axel but just when it looks like he will finally get his hands on Heyman, Heyman will instead get himself DQ'd (so Punk gets the win) or something similar. Next time we have a stip in place that means Heyman can't get away but BAM! Brock returns to save the day, leading to Punk/Brock 2 at HIAC.