Chemical weapon attack in Syria, did it happen?, who did it?

stuar

Reading news reports today of a chemical weapon attack in a suburb of Damascus, the Syrian govt are denying it happened, the opposition/rebels/terrorists/the west are blaming the Syrian govt.

I think this is a set up if it did occur, why would they use chemical weapons now of all times, a U.N. weapons inspection team only arrived a few days ago to investigate an earlier report of chemical weapons being used, then while they're there on the ground in Syria the govt decides to launch the biggest chemical weapon attack in the whole conflict with reports of 500-1500 people killed depending on where you look.

I can't help but think if it did occur an outside source supplied them to some of the more fundamentalists in the opposition forces to put blame on Assad and escalate the conflict, a number of countries have said if chemical weapons were used it would cross the "Redline".

It just seems a little too convienient at the moment for Syria's outside enemies that Assad would decide to use chemical weapons now while the U.N. team are there.....

Syria conflict: 'Chemical attacks' kill hundreds

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23785286

Activists claim hundreds killed in shelling and gas attacks near Syrian capital

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0821/469333-syria-conflict-assad/

Allegations of deadly gas attack test Obama's 'red line' in Syria

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/21/allegations-deadly-gas-attack-test-obama-red-line-in-syria/#ixzz2ccgSxgnA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejyqn__c6RY

Chemical weapons attack’ as Syrian opposition claims up to 1,300 killed

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/chemical-weapons-attack-as-syrian-opposition-claims-up-to-1300-killed-29517317.html

Autonomous Cowherd

I really have no POV on the conspiracy end of things..although I read of this news first on a conspiracy website. I must admit my initial reaction was disbelief, and then over the course of the day the news began filtering through to mainstream sources. It is absolutely horrific. Words cannot express. I have been deeply shocked and saddened at this event which is the worst use of chemical warfare since Saddam Hussein gassed the Kurdish people. And guess what..like all the rest of the citizens of the world I get to feel a brief revulsion, shake my head in horror, and then do eff all about it. We are powerless minions and serfs.

Here are some heartbreaking reports... (yeah yeah I know..the Daily Fail, but sure feck it)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2398691/Syria-Nerve-gas-attack-near-Damascus-kills-1-300-including-women-children.html

claypigeon777

Dempsey, the top US general, has ruled out direct US military intervention.
Obviously they don't want to be drawn into another failed state with insurgents shooting at them and coffins coming home draped with American flags.
Even maintaining a fly zone would involve hundreds of aircraft and billions in expenditure.
The only nation who have the capability to do anything to intervene in Syria is the U.S.
The Americans want Assad gone and are giving arms to the rebel forces and probably have some special forces operators assisting them.
But that's it I would say.
Ireland is neutral so the most this country will do is have Gilmore come on air now and again to call on all side to sit down and negotiate.
There aren't millions marching in the streets like there were back in 2003 against the Iraq War so nothing will be done.
The world is just going to watch and see who wins the conflict.
End of.

enno99

stuar wrote: »

I can't help but think if it did occur an outside source supplied them to some of the more fundamentalists in the opposition forces to put blame on Assad and escalate the conflict, a number of countries have said if chemical weapons were used it would cross the "Redline".




It just seems a little too convienient at the moment for Syria's outside enemies that Assad would decide to use chemical weapons now while the U.N. team are there.....

I think you are spot on in your assessment

Perhaps they got them when they found this little stash

400 Surface-to-Air-Missiles Stolen

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/benghazi-was-about-400-surface-air-missiles-stolen-some-very-ugly-people-digenova-says

stuar

Syria gas attack story has whiff of Saudi war propaganda

That in turn could erupt into a conflagration across the Middle East and a Super Power confrontation with Russia and China and Iran on one side, and the USA, UK, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Qatar on the opposite side. Not a happy prospect for world peace at all.

Therefore the story is worth analyzing carefully. When we do, several things jump out as suspicious. First the newspaper breaking the story was Al Arabiya, initially saying that at least 500 people have been killed, according to activists. From there it got picked up by major international media. Making the story more fishy by the minute were reports from different media of the alleged number of dead that changed by the minute - 635 then to 800 by USA Today and 1,300 by Rupert Murdoch’s SkyNews.

Al Arabiya, the origin of the story, is not a neutral in the Syrian conflict. It was set up in 2002 by the Saudi Royal Family in Dubai. It is majority-owned by the Saudi broadcaster, Middle East Broadcasting Center (MBC). Saudi Arabia is a major financial backer of the attempt to topple Syria’s government. That is a matter of record. So on first glance Saudi-owned media reporting such an inflammatory anti-Assad allegation might be taken with a dose of salt.
When we examine the printed content of their story, it gets more suspicious still. First they cite “activists at the Syrian Revolutionary Command Council said regime fighter planes were flying over the area after the bombardment, accusing the forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad of using chemical agents.” This is doubtful on many levels. First we can imagine that anti-government (unnamed) “activists” fighting Assad’s forces would not be exactly neutral.


http://rt.com/op-edge/syria-gas-attack-chemical-propaganda-796/



Reported Syrian gas attack killing hundreds after first US-trained rebel incursion from Jordan

debkafile reports exclusively that Assad is acting to counter the first organized incursion of US-trained Syrian rebels from Jordan into southern Syria. The first group of 250 rebels, trained in special operations tactics by US and Jordanian instructors, entered Syria Saturday, Aug. 17, armed with weapons of Russian provenance supplied by the US and Saudi Arabia.
They are fighting under US and Jordanian commanders based in the Hashemite Kingdom.
A second group of 300 fighters crossed into Syria from Jordan Monday.
They are linking up with local rebel groups chosen from amongst those with no ties with the jihadist Jabhat al-Nusra (Al Qaeda in Syria).
According to our military sources, the rebel units are advancing at speed along the Syrian-Israeli border. They have forced the Syrian brigades posted there into retreating from positions inside a strip of 1-25 kilometers from the border, and captured the villages of Raihaniya, Breiqa and Beer Ajam.
This tactic has moved the Syrian army back from the area opposite the Israeli Golan, and started marking out a buffer zone between Israeli and Syrian forces in the Horan province.
DEBKA’s military sources report that additional Syrian rebel forces are standing ready in Jordan to cross into Syria. The incoming forces will then start extending the nascent buffer zone northward towards Deraa (fountainhead of the Syrian uprising in 2011) and east toward Jabal Druze.
This Jordan-based rebel offensive was launched shortly after Gen. Martin Dempsey, Chairman of the Joint US Chiefs of Staff, visited US forces in Jordan and inaugurated the underground US war room near Amman for commanding the operation in Syria.
http://www.debka.com/article/23206/Reported-Syrian-gas-attack-killing-hundreds-after-first-US-trained-rebel-incursion-from-Jordan

Brown Bomber

weisses

Another interesting look on it

http://www.islamicinvitationturkey.com/2013/08/22/exclusive-the-sinister-game-of-chemical-wepaons-by-terrorists-in-syria-refuted-uncovered/

stuar

Here's a video from deleted article above that supposedly shows Syrian Opposition/Foreign forces testing chemicals on rabbits.

I've read in some reports the latest chemical attacks used home made munitions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em2PoWYynsc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo2gQF6K-QQ

stuar

weisses wrote: »

Another interesting look on it

http://www.islamicinvitationturkey.com/2013/08/22/exclusive-the-sinister-game-of-chemical-wepaons-by-terrorists-in-syria-refuted-uncovered/

Interesting alright, this video of the attack which occured on 21st uploaded on 20th?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO8_eZcZkNE&bpctr=1377234267

Shpongler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpmFIWm1dWw&feature=youtu.be
Lokks like there might be some fake footage around?

Tzar Chasm

well someone killed those people.

what needs to happen is an independent investigation to bring the perpetrators to justice.

what will probably happen is a military intervention resulting in the deaths of thousands more civilians

Autonomous Cowherd

The truly horrible thing is that 4000 people have been dying every month in Syria since this sectarian (and proxy) war began. At least 100,000 since the beginning and this is in a country with a population of about the same as Ireland, though up to 2 million have fled. Can you image that slaughter level here? Whether they die from bomb blast or bullet or fire or this disgusting gas attack, they are being slaughtered in their thousands...and we sit back as always and do zilch. And the big boys do zilch because the US and Russia are facing off against each other in a sandy place far away from their safe asses.....I was thinking yesterday could this place be the Sarajevo-style catalyst that could start something truly big and horrible?
Also, Is there something about the indiscriminate, sneaky nature of being killed by a poisonous gas as one sleeps that makes us wake up a little now? Like it could happen to any one of us? Hmmmm

Duiske

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

well someone killed those people.

what needs to happen is an independent investigation to bring the perpetrators to justice.

what will probably happen is a military intervention resulting in the deaths of thousands more civilians

It appears Syria are offering full co-operation with any inquiry the UN wants to open into this attack. Which may explain why the US are standing back from their "red line" and why France wanted to start bombing yesterday. What is it with the French and these chemical weapons anyway ? These stories invariably seem to have a French angle somewhere, and the French look like they have an itchy trigger finger where Syria is concerned, not unlike the run up to Libya.

Kinzig

claypigeon777 wrote: »

Dempsey, the top US general, has ruled out direct US military intervention.
Obviously they don't want to be drawn into another failed state with insurgents shooting at them and coffins coming home draped with American flags.
Even maintaining a fly zone would involve hundreds of aircraft and billions in expenditure.
The only nation who have the capability to do anything to intervene in Syria is the U.S.
The Americans want Assad gone and are giving arms to the rebel forces and probably have some special forces operators assisting them.
But that's it I would say.
Ireland is neutral so the most this country will do is have Gilmore come on air now and again to call on all side to sit down and negotiate.
There aren't millions marching in the streets like there were back in 2003 against the Iraq War so nothing will be done.
The world is just going to watch and see who wins the conflict.
End of.

You really havent grasped the enormity of this crisis have you?

enno99

stuar wrote: »

Here's a video from deleted article above that supposedly shows Syrian Opposition/Foreign forces testing chemicals on rabbits.

I've read in some reports the latest chemical attacks used home made munitions.

The videos, experts said, also did not prove the use of chemical weapons, which interfere with the nervous system and can cause defecation, vomiting, intense salivation and tremors. Only some of those symptoms were visible in some patients.

Gwyn Winfield, editor of CBRNe World, a journal that covers unconventional weapons, said that the medics would most likely have been sickened by exposure to so many people dosed with chemical weapons — a phenomenon not seen in the videos. He said that the victims could have been killed by tear gas used in a confined space, or by a diluted form of a more powerful chemical agent. Others suggested that toxic industrial chemicals might have been used

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/22/world/middleeast/syria.html?pagewanted=2&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_medium=twitter&_r=2&utm_content=buffer61310&utm_source=buffer&ref=global-home

If the above is correct

The Syrian gov has a stockpile of chemical weapons

Yet they resort to home made ones or diluted the ones they had

Or else they asked everyone to gather in a confined space so they could use tear gas

The sh1t they expect people to swallow in getting beyond a joke




To watch those children suffering is f*cking heartbreaking and I hope that a fate worse than death befall every last one of the c*nts that done this


Then you have all these congregating around Jordan

British troops with chemical warfare kits head to Syrian doorstep

On Friday 130 members of 42 Commando will leave for Jordan to participate in war games codenamed Eager Lion 13

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-troops-chemical-warfare-kits-1955630



According to information obtained by Le Figaro , the first trained in guerrilla warfare by the Americans in Jordan Syrian troops reportedly entered into action since mid-August in southern Syria, in the region of Deraa. A first group of 300 men, probably supported by Israeli and Jordanian commandos, as well as men of the CIA, had crossed the border on August 17. A second would have joined the 19. According to military sources, the Americans, who do not want to put troops on the Syrian soil or arming rebels in part controlled by radical Islamists form quietly for several months in a training camp set up at the border Jordanian- Syrian fighters ASL, the Free Syrian Army, handpicked.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-22/american-israeli-and-jordanian-troops-and-cia-agents-have-entered-syria-le-figaro-re



this probably explains it a bit better



US ORGANISED 'GAS ATTACK' TO JUSTIFY NO-FLY ZONE? US TROOPS IN SYRIA DAYS BEFORE ATTACK - REPORT

http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/fsa-gassed-damascus_22.html

claypigeon777

Kinzig wrote: »

You really havent grasped the enormity of this crisis have you?

The Americans are not going to get involved directly with air power and boots on the ground.
They are arming the Sunni Islamist dominated FSA because they want to remove the pro-Iranian pro-Russia/China Assad regime.
The patience of the American people with committing troops to foreign wars is at an all time low. They do not object to drones and employing proxy armies to do the fighting for them.
Since 1945 the appetite of Americans to take casualties has declined decade after decade.
In Korea 1950-1953 they fought a blood inconclusive war.
In Vietnam from 1964-1973 they lost against a Third World insurgency.
In Lebanon in 1983 they withdrew after a single bombing in Beruit.
They invaded Panama and won the First Gulf War but suffered only minimal casualties.
They withdrew from Somali when a dozen or so troops were killed by Somalis.
In 12 years in Afghanistan and Iraq combined they have lost only a fraction of casualties the US suffered in the Battle of the Bulge in Dec-Jan 1944.
The US could crush Assad with ease and suffer only a few thousand dead in order to pacify Syria but will not do it.
Now that the FSA are on the backfoot Obama will not do anything except make the right sympathetic noises.

Cork boy 55

stuar wrote: »

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Al Arabiya, the origin of the story, is not a neutral in the Syrian conflict. It was set up in 2002 by the Saudi Royal Family in Dubai. It is majority-owned by the Saudi broadcaster, Middle East Broadcasting Center (MBC). Saudi Arabia is a major financial backer of the attempt to topple Syria’s government. That is a matter of record. So on first glance Saudi-owned media reporting such an inflammatory anti-Assad allegation might be taken with a dose of salt.
When we examine the printed content of their story, it gets more suspicious still. First they cite “activists at the Syrian Revolutionary Command Council said regime fighter planes were flying over the area after the bombardment, accusing the forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad of using chemical agents.” This is doubtful on many levels. First we can imagine that anti-government (unnamed) “activists” fighting Assad’s forces would not be exactly neutral.


http://rt.com/op-edge/syria-gas-attack-chemical-propaganda-796/


(... snip..)

http://www.debka.com/article/23206/Reported-Syrian-gas-attack-killing-hundreds-after-first-US-trained-rebel-incursion-from-Jordan

RT FSB intelligence/propaganda site It claims
Al Arabiya broke the story which is a lie the story was reported by numerous activist and Human rights groups in the ghouta on the night of the attack.

You second link is to debka which is a quack website for quacks

Brown Bomber wrote: »

image screenshot Daily mail (edited for brevity)

This screencap of a removed Daily Mail article from January
Delhi based news agency uses infowars as a source. Western and presumably other news sites paste it January
Resurrected screencap does rounds months later as 'proof'
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you but churnalsim is a the root of many a conspiracy

BTW infowars is a quack website for quacks

weisses wrote: »

Another interesting look on it

http://www.islamicinvitationturkey.com/2013/08/22/exclusive-the-sinister-game-of-chemical-wepaons-by-terrorists-in-syria-refuted-uncovered/

I stopped reading at the first line
You Can not enter the area was hit with chemical weapon before 48-72 hours at least. LOL WTF
What exactly is the Islamic Invitation Turkey website?
Is ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to its newsletter.

stuar wrote: »

Here's a video from deleted article above that supposedly shows Syrian Opposition/Foreign forces testing chemicals on rabbits.

I've read in some reports the latest chemical attacks used home made munitions.

(..)

That's a video of two guys in a basement killing two rabbits
Did you make it?

stuar wrote: »

Interesting alright, this video of the attack which occured on 21st uploaded on 20th?
(... snipped for brevity...)

The Russian "government" Are bit confused as to how youtube date-stamp videos

New York Times wrote: »

What the Russian official called evidence of rebel propaganda, however — the fact that some of the first video clips said to show victims of the attack on Wednesday were stamped with Tuesday’s date on YouTube — appears to be based on widespread confusion about how the video-sharing site, based in California, assigns dates to clips uploaded by users around the world.

As YouTube has previously confirmed to The Lede, its computers automatically assign a date to each video based on the current time in California when the upload begins, which can differ from the date in the user’s time zone. Given that California is 10 hours behind Syria, that means that any clip uploaded to YouTube before 10 a.m. on Wednesday was stamped with Tuesday’s date.

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/08/23/confused-by-how-youtube-assigns-dates-russians-cite-false-claim-on-syria-videos/

Shpongler wrote: »

(...snip....)
Lokks like there might be some fake footage around?

That video has nothing to do with incident in question of OP.

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The probability that the insurgents

-possess weaponized chemical weapons of this lethally and quantity
-then deployed it in a mass slaughter if their own comrades and women and children of their support base
-in a false flag,
-in the Ghouta of all places An enclave essentially under siege
-in the middle of a government attack.

is close to ZERO.

jacksie66

This post has been deleted.

Brown Bomber

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

RT FSB intelligence/propaganda site It claims
Al Arabiya broke the story which is a lie the story was reported by numerous activist and Human rights groups in the ghouta on the night of the attack.

Source?

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

You second link is to debka which is a quack website for quacks

No. It's an Israeli Intelligence website for advancing the Zionist agenda.

T

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

This screencap of a removed Daily Mail article from January

Well done!

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

Delhi based news agency uses infowars as a source. Western and presumably other news sites paste it January
Resurrected screencap does rounds months later as 'proof'
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you but churnalsim is a the root of many a conspiracy

I'm going to break this down real simple for you, because I am probably wasting my time anyway:
A UK security contractor was hacked.
An email exchange between the two executives revealed a proposal from the Qataris with the blessing of Obama which involved this security company carrying out a false-flag chemical attack in Syria which framed Assad.

Phil
We’ve got a new offer. It’s about Syria again. Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the idea is approved by Washington.
We’ll have to deliver a CW to Homs, a Soviet origin g-shell from Libya similar to those that Assad should have.
They want us to deploy our Ukrainian personnel that should speak Russian and make a video record.
Frankly, I don’t think it’s a good idea but the sums proposed are enormous. Your opinion?
Kind regards
David

MORE: http://www.cyberwarnews.info/reports/a-look-into-the-britam-defence-data-leak-files/

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

BTW infowars is a quack website for quacks

I'm aware, in fact you can save your preaching - I wouldn't expect that there is an awful lot you can "teach" me. That said, just because something is published on infowars doesn't make it automatically false.

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Cork boy 55 wrote: »

The probability that the insurgents

Insurgents? hahaha

Try an alliance between foreign jihadis and international mercenaries who are cannibals, suicide-bombers, throat-cutters and make children dig their own graves while they film.

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

-possess weaponized chemical weapons of this lethally and quantity
-then deployed it in a mass slaughter if their own comrades and women and children of their support base
-in a false flag,
-in the Ghouta of all places An enclave essentially under siege
-in the middle of a government attack.

is close to ZERO.

Or if we think about this clearly....

Obama and his Wahabbi-dictator confederates are foaming at the mouth to carry out regime change of a secular and legitimate sovereign government. They bankroll, support, arm and train their proxy force of international jihadis they airlift in. This band of religious extremists and mercenaries cannot defeat the state army. Obama issues a red-line in Syria which is the use of chemical weapons.

Chemical weapons are used...

Who is most likely to have used them? A- Syria. Who would only lose domestically and internationally from such an incident or B- The Regime Changers. While taking a risk have everything to gain from such an attack framing Assad.

Brown Bomber

Evidence Indicates that Syrian Government Did Not Launch a Chemical Weapon Attack Against Its People

http://www.globalresearch.ca/evidence-indicates-that-syrian-government-did-not-launch-a-chemical-weapon-attack-against-its-people/5346804

Tzar Chasm

isn't there an 'attack the pist not the poster' rule

shouldn't that also apply to sources of material?

if there is something wrong with the information provided in a link then surely the easiest way to strengthen your argument is to disprove the information provided.

simply denouncing the source strikes me as another form of lazy adhomenim

MonaPizza

More scumbag tricks by the Western powers.
Cameron comes out and says "anyone seeking evidence of this has a defective moral compass"
Yeah, nice try Cameron, trying to deflect people away from seeking clarification, trying to shame people for wanting proof that Assad did this, you turd.
And then Biden comes on and says "nobody can be in any doubt who's responsible, the Assad regime".
Yeah? Well, I want your proof. Cos I've got massive doubts. I want evidence....not pictures, not videos of people in a hospital...I want PROOF of who did this. It's very easy to kill a guy, photograph his body and then say someone else did it. Someone you want to set up.

And why would Assad use chemical weapons? They're largely ineffectual and are certainly a pretty useless alternative when you've got squadrons of MiG fighter jets to blast a rebel position with a well aimed rocket.
Strange how weapons inspectors are not allowed to determine WHO used chemical only that they WERE used. And these fcukers expect us to believe them.
Talk about insulting the intelligence.

Dude111

Brown Bomber wrote:

http://truthnewsinternational.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/syria-email-daily-mail-january-29-2013.png?w=604&h=3961

Thank you for posting that... I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT!!!

I dont doubt for a second they are the ones who did it!! (Said it happen,etc)

When there is NO REASON for them to do what they wanna do,they create one!!

Tzar Chasm

another rush job seems to be happening, looks like the 'alies' want to have assad ousted before the investigation even begins in earnest.

camerons crack about evidence and moral compasses is a bit of a worry, surely if they had evidence they would roll it out to justify themselves, rather than attempt to deflect away from the question

Autonomous Cowherd

I am amazed at how difficult it is to get the truth...was it Assad, his brother, some commander of the Syrian army gone rogue, the rebels, the imported jihadists, the US infiltrators, what the heck? In this era of omnipresent mobile cameras and citizen media it seems to be harder than ever to get even an approximation of the truth. I await the outcome of this whole tragedy with some trepidation......

weisses

It was all planned way in advance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXS3vW47mOE

Tzar Chasm

well it looks like the brakes/are/being put on this scheme by ed milliband and the house of commons, they will have a second vote after the UN investigation.

what does this mean for the warmongers, have they cried wolf once too often?

Kinzig

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

well it looks like the brakes/are/being put on this scheme by ed milliband and the house of commons, they will have a second vote after the UN investigation.

what does this mean for the warmongers, have they cried wolf once too often?

They will go ahead..they are just dotting the I s and crossing the Ts before they go..Obama has gotten himself into a corner and will be getting pressurised by the Real Government in the background , so britain is gonna be hanging on to his shirtail, the best they can hope for now is an agreement with russia and china to allow them a very limited strike to save face..

Dude111

They just dont have things ready yet! (He is waiting for the word GO!! (Lock down the USA,etc))

Kinzig

Im guessing there will be a strike either tonight or sunday..very limited..probably agreed with the russians..face saving exercise for the whitehouse...seeing as they didnt get what they wanted originally, a quick false flag attack to get rid of assad seeing as their plan of arming and paying the mercenarys is on the back foot...

Tzar Chasm

then we'll get to se if these fancy Russian rockets the syrians have are any good.

I don't think the usa would be stupid enough to act unilaterally without at least the pretext of un/nato approval.

weisses

Kinzig wrote: »

Im guessing there will be a strike either tonight or sunday..very limited..probably agreed with the russians..face saving exercise for the whitehouse...seeing as they didnt get what they wanted originally, a quick false flag attack to get rid of assad seeing as their plan of arming and paying the mercenarys is on the back foot...

I did follow this with interest (and shock) as well, but i don't think it is necessarily the intention of the US to get rid of Assad, they realize by removing him they will open a can of worms , At least that's the impression I'm getting from reading and listening to various sources

weisses

Another interesting point (couldn't verify this one) If someone can help me find this, Its very difficult to try to look from an Syrian perspective in Google


Quote
If the United States was really determined in stopping the use of chemical weapons, Syria delicately refers to a draft Security Council resolution. With this resolution, which Syria was one of the founders the intention was to make the Middle East free of weapons of mass destruction. This resolution was signed by many countries. Including by Syria, but not by the United States, resulting in the draft resolution being rejected
End quote

Of course that would mean the Israeli's have to get rid of their nukes (which they don't have apparently )

tiger55

Source of this info is:

Respected 20 year Middle Eastern reporter and Associated Press, BBC and NPR correspondent Dale Gavrak was told by Syrian rebels that they were responsible for last week's chemical weapons incident in Ghouta.

Will the mainstream media ignore a story that could derail the march to war?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz0TxVmq3-Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz0TxVmq3-Q

tiger55

Kinzig wrote: »

Im guessing there will be a strike either tonight or sunday..very limited..probably agreed with the russians..face saving exercise for the whitehouse...seeing as they didnt get what they wanted originally, a quick false flag attack to get rid of assad seeing as their plan of arming and paying the mercenarys is on the back foot...

The whole chemical attack was an obvious false flag:mad:

Assad is winning the war against the jihad groups, so why would he do a thing that woulkd get his country bombed by NATO?

The question is simple:

Who benefits from this attack?

Tzar Chasm

tiger55 wrote: »

Source of this info is:

Respected 20 year Middle Eastern reporter and Associated Press, BBC and NPR correspondent Dale Gavrak was told by Syrian rebels that they were responsible for last week's chemical weapons incident in Ghouta.

Will the mainstream media ignore a story that could derail the march to war?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz0TxVmq3-Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz0TxVmq3-Q

well that does seem highly plausible.

so according to the/report not a deliberate false flag attack by the rebels, but possibly intended as one by the saudis, untrained rebels were equipped with chemical weapons, as is inevitable in such a situation the weapons were mis handled and detonatedby the rebels.

lends credence to the previous/story about the leaked emails

A Primal Nut

jacksie66 wrote: »

What is happening in Syria is another Yugoslavia. The world standing back and watching as hundreds and thousands of innocent men, women and children are slaughtered. **** this disgusting and vile world we live in...

And if the rest of the world did get involved, things might get even worse.
What do you think the rest of the world should do?

A Primal Nut

One thing I don't understand about this conspiracy theory, why would the US join forces with Al Qaeda to fight Assad? Surely if the US were being purely selfish they would prefer to keep Assad in power and fight Al Qaeda?

BloodBath

It's nothing to do with Al Qaeda and everything to do with controlling the middle east.

Assad is aligned with the Russians. The Americans/Israelis are pushing to control the entire region.

It's modern day colonialism.

A proxy cold war.

Brown Bomber

A Primal Nut wrote: »

One thing I don't understand about this conspiracy theory, why would the US join forces with Al Qaeda to fight Assad? Surely if the US were being purely selfish they would prefer to keep Assad in power and fight Al Qaeda?

Like keeping Gadaffi in power you mean?

To undermine Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, the Bush Administration has decided, in effect, to reconfigure its priorities in the Middle East. In Lebanon, the Administration has coöperated with Saudi Arabia’s government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations that are intended to weaken Hezbollah, the Shiite organization that is backed by Iran. The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/03/05/070305fa_fact_hersh

stuar

tiger55 wrote: »

The whole chemical attack was an obvious false flag:mad:

Assad is winning the war against the jihad groups, so why would he do a thing that woulkd get his country bombed by NATO?

The question is simple:

Who benefits from this attack?

Just a little update.

Putin thinks like us too.

Putin demands evidence of Syrian chemical attack from US
Russia's President Vladimir Putin is demanding America show what evidence it has that the Syrian government is to blame for an alleged chemical weapons attack.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/world/putin-demands-evidence-of-syrian-chemical-attack-from-us-605432.html

Putin rejects US claim on Syria chemical attack

Russia says it would be ‘utter nonsense’ for Syria to use chemical weapons when it is winning war.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/putin-rejects-us-claim-on-syria-chemical-attack-1.1512129

Russia sharply steps up criticism of U.S. over Syria
The Foreign Ministry said a U.S. attack would be a “gross violation” of international law.
“I would like to address Obama as a Nobel Peace Prize laureate: Before using force in Syria, it would be good to think about future casualties,”
Putin told Russian news agencies in Vladivostok during a tour of the country’s flood-stricken Far East.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russia-sharply-steps-up-criticism-of-us-over-syria/2013/08/31/532c48ea-1238-11e3-a2b3-5e107edf9897_story.html

So Putin is looking for proof, the 2 cia goons who have been training on Assad and some other Syrian's voices will finally earn their pay.

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According to former French foreign minister Roland Dumas, Britain had planned covert action in Syria as early as 2009: "I was in England two years before the violence in Syria on other business", he told French television:

"I met with top British officials, who confessed to me that they were preparing something in Syria. This was in Britain not in America. Britain was preparing gunmen to invade Syria."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeyRwFHR8WY

The new foreign minister seems to be a bit more co-operative.

https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/1671459_insight-military-intervention-in-syria-post-withdrawal.html

They wanted to grill me on the strategic picture on Syria, so after that I
got to grill them on the military picture. There is still a very low level
of understanding of what is actually at stake in Syria, what's the
strategic interest there, the Turkish role, the Iranian role, etc. After a
couple hours of talking, they said without saying that SOF teams
(presumably from US, UK, France, Jordan, Turkey) are already on the ground
focused on recce missions and training opposition forces. One Air Force
intel guy (US) said very carefully that there isn't much of a Free Syrian
Army to train right now anyway, but all the operations being done now are
being done out of 'prudence.' The way it was put to me was, 'look at this
way - the level of information known on Syrian OrBat this month is the
best it's been since 2001.' They have been told to prepare contingencies
and be ready to act within 2-3 months, but they still stress that this is
all being done as contingency planning, not as a move toward escalation.

stuar

A little back peddling happening now, Putins words mustn't have fell on deaf ears.....

Obama says U.S. should strike Syria, will seek Congressional approval

President Barack Obama on Saturday backed away from an imminent military strike against Syria to seek the approval of the U.S. Congress, in a decision that likely delays U.S. action for at least 10 days.

Military assets to carry out a strike are in place and ready to move on his order, he said.
But in an acknowledgement of protests from U.S. lawmakers and concerns from war-weary Americans, Obama added an important caveat: he wants Congress to approve.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-syria-obama-20130831,0,5513950.story

Obama says U.S. will take military action against Syria, pending Congress’s approval

President Obama said Saturday that the United States has decided to use military force against Syria, calling last week’s alleged chemical weapons attack there “an attack on human dignity,” but said he would to seek congressional authorization for an attack.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-set-to-speak-on-syria-in-rose-garden/2013/08/31/65aea210-125b-11e3-85b6-d27422650fd5_story.html

What a crock of sh1te, "An attack on Human Dignity", not that it's not..!, just he really doesn't give a b0llox about human dignity or killing woman or children or anybody, once it's him or his allies doing the killing, didn't hear any complaints when israel raining down white phosphous on civilians. A bit hypocritical don't you think...

enno99

Taken from the infowars back up article
The main site is still down


website is back up

http://www.mintpressnews.com/witnesses-of-gas-attack-say-saudis-supplied-rebels-with-chemical-weapons/168135/

“My son came to me two weeks ago asking what I thought the weapons were that he had been asked to carry,” said Abu Abdel-Moneim, the father of a rebel fighting to unseat Assad, who lives in Ghouta.

Abdel-Moneim said his son and 12 other rebels were killed inside of a tunnel used to store weapons provided by a Saudi militant, known as Abu Ayesha, who was leading a fighting battalion. The father described the weapons as having a “tube-like structure” while others were like a “huge gas bottle.”

Ghouta townspeople said the rebels were using mosques and private houses to sleep while storing their weapons in tunnels.

Saw this a few days ago and didnt know what to make of it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YHlFjsOoY4

Tzar Chasm

well that looks suspicuously like evidence that the rebels used chemical weapons, will the US also bomb them into oblivion?

enno99

U.S. intelligence agencies involved in chemical attack in Syria

In the message August 22 Eugene Furst congratulates Col. on successful operation and refers him to Wasington Post publication about chemical attack in Syria. From the Anthony’s wife dialog with her friend it’s clear the video with the children killed in the chemical attack near Damascus was staged by U.S. Intelligence.

http://my.telegraph.co.uk/debatableopinion/debatableopinion/16/u-s-intelligence-agencies-involved-in-chemical-attack-in-syria/

True/False ? hard to know what is genuine

stuar

I downloaded the emails from the link, theres lots of them in there, this is called "The Best"......

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Good Morning Jennifer:

I guess you returned from MA, I hope everything went. I pick the kids up at the train station today at 12pm. They probably don't want to come home. It looks like they had a lot of fun in NYC.

You see, I'm still thinking about those Syrian kids. Thanks God, they are alive. I hope they got a kind of present or some cash.

This afternoon or tomorrow are good days for me to call. On wed we have women's equality day at Steve' work I need to be over there to hear what he says HA HA. I will have the girls contact Molly-we would love to drive by. I'll let you know.

Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 14:59:42 -0700
From: jjlmgmac@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Let's talk
To: maryshapiro@hotmail.com
Hi Mary;
I saw it either and got afraid very much. But Tony comforted me. He said the kids weren't hurt, it was done for cameras. So you don't worry, my dear.

That'll be nice to get down to NC to see your Dad and Lee. If you feel like a road trip about 1/2 hour down the road, go visit the "resort" and have Molly give you a tour of campus. She'd love to see you guys since she didn't get to PA for Steve's COC.

Would love to see you during the 7-11 October visit. Ugh, my birthday! We need to go to FL instead of you coming here! I'm trying to forget that day.....But seriously, it would be great to see you anytime.

I will have time to chat this week. Can't believe Tuesday is the Stallion Stampede. Grace's first FH game is Wednesday. She has had 2 scrimmages so far and they have won both of them.

Jennifer

From: mary shapiro <maryshapiro@hotmail.com>
To: jennifer macdonald <jjlmgmac@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: Let's talk

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Theres another from same rar called follow up...but I can't seem to open it?

downonthefarm

i have no doubt it happened but i think the timing is highly dubious,bashir didnt get to be leader by being stupid,cant see why he would do it with the inspectors next door.also i am glad to see england show some common sense and not jump in with two feet

stuar

Link to the emails if anybody wants to root through them.......

http://pastebin.com/zeXpsRnh

1. I've hacked colonel Anthony Jamie MacDonald mail he is intelligence US Army Staff boss. First I hacked his Link3dIn account and got access to his mail through it then.
3. Among mail Mayhem like Amazon mails I've found his correspondence with his colleague Eugene Furst. He congratulates Col. with success and gives a link to the Washington Post publication about chemical attack in Syria on August 21. Furst also mentions it was “well staged”. Holy ****. I was shocked my eyes refused to believe it. Bloody bastards they “staged” a chemical attack.
5. Then a friend of Anthony MacDonald's wife Jennifer writes she was shocked seeing on TV the children died after chemical attack in Syria. Jennifer answers she saw the story but Tony calm her down saying children were alive and the scene was staged.
7. Two best mails I uploaded here
9. https://www.dropbox.com/s/3g8rt2l3do33pgr/the-best.rar
10. http://www.mediafire.com/download/k3dymq2iz5f8uis/the-best.rar
11. http://depositfiles.com/files/30qx9o4wc
13. Here you can download MacDonald's mail
15. https://www.dropbox.com/s/736xsoir8pjncz7/mcdnlds-l3ak.rar
16. http://depositfiles.com/files/se09lc29f
17. http://www.mediafire.com/download/p03ywz6t7m6cyp3/mcdnlds-l3ak.rar
19. Here is his wife's correspondence
21. https://www.dropbox.com/s/8jeqc5lm8w720kb/mary-leak.rar
22. http://www.mediafire.com/download/tq38hzdxvbl7427/mary-leak.rar
23. http://depositfiles.com/files/vjucpz9el
25. I also hacked other Pentagon officers' mail boxes:
27. Evans, Anthony O COL USARMY HQDA ASA ALT (US)
28. Sims, John D COL USARMY HQDA OCPA (US)
29. Griffith, David M COL USARMY (US)
30. Bell, Craig A COL USARMY (US)
31. Parramore, David J (Dave) COL USARMY MEDCOM HQ (US)
32. Morris, Daniel L COL USARMY (US)
33. Ellison, Brenda K COL USARMY (US)
34. Jennings, Wesley J COL USARMY HQDA DCS G-8 (US)
35. Eberle, Brian K COL USARMY HQDA DCS G-3-5-7 (US)
36. Bradsher, John M COL USARMY (US)
37. Fish, Charles A COL USARMY JS J8 (US)
38. Roquemore, Darlene M COL USAF (US)
39. Mott, Robert L Jr COL USARMY HQDA OTSG (US)
40. Parramore, David J (Dave) COL USARMY MEDCOM HQ (US)
41. Weeks, Colin A LTC USARMY (US)
42. Reynolds, M Bridget LTC USARMY HQDA DCS G-2 (US)
43. Grahek, Christopher J LTC USARMY HQDA OTSG (US)
44. Henderson, Valerie D LTC USARMY HQDA OCPA (US)
46. I've no time to look through all their mails. A lot of **** to be sure there.
47. I will upload their correspondence later.

Tzar Chasm

downonthefarm wrote: »

i have no doubt it happened but i think the timing is highly dubious,bashir didnt get to be leader by being stupid,cant see why he would do it with the inspectors next door.also i am glad to see england show some common sense and not jump in with two feet

bashar al as ad got to be leader because his daddy was leader and that's how a nepotistic dynasty dictatorship works.

however it interesting to note the level of support he still carries in syria, so he must be doing something right as far as the people of syria are concerned

stuar

Fucking Hypocrite's



Kerry says US has evidence of sarin gas use in Syria........(Yea cause ****ing saudi arabia told you they sent some you prick)

Saudi minister calls for world community to take action that ‘puts a halt to the tragedy’..........(we'll even send more sarin gas if yiz want ohhh and we'll auction more suicide bombers off!)

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/kerry-says-us-has-evidence-of-sarin-gas-use-in-syria-1.1512303

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ha94Xz59dg

enno99

stuar wrote: »

Fucking Hypocrite's

here are a couple of ladies that agree

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnJCvKA-oEU

1,274,999 views for Clare Daly
dont remember seeing that on RTE news like when the rubber bandits hit the million mark

As for that auction :eek:
Im still trying to get my head around that