[Video] Fight in Newbridge - Ran Over with Van

Fukuyama

Fight in Newbridge the other night. People in the comments saying there's a traveler wedding in the area over the weekend.

Make of it what you will.

Whoever drove the white transit should be charged with attempted murder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tczgVdw7W7Y

xzanti

Thread about it in the Kildare Forum afaik.

EyeSight

the thread on this got locked the other night. You cannot speak ill of criminal travellers here

PizzamanIRL

Another one, Jasus.

theSHU

It's their culture.

Boombastic

Have Pavee Point come out with any statement about this incident?

mattjack

Boombastic wrote: »

Have Pavee Point come out with any statement about this incident?

Why not contact Pavee Point yourself , that way you'd get their opinion rather than asking in AH .

Red Crow

Its dezcrimnatin agenst the trabellin cumunity.

Boombastic

mattjack wrote: »

Why not contact Pavee Point yourself , that way you'd get their opinion rather than asking in AH .

Good Idea, I will bang them off an email now. I just though it might have been reported and picked up by someone here.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Boombastic wrote: »

Good Idea, I will bang them off an email now. I just though it might have been reported and picked up by someone here.

Well since thay have consistantly condemed criminality of any sort I can guess what their response will be.

Yakult

Great bunch of lads

Boombastic

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Well since thay have consistantly condemed criminality of any sort I can guess what their response will be.

They might talk the talk but do they walk the walk?

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Boombastic wrote: »

They might talk the talk but do they walk the walk?

You accusing Pavee Point of orchastrating violence, or just venting you spleen against an easy target?:rolleyes:

Thom Merrilin

Was that Blackie Connors driving

Boombastic

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

You accusing Pavee Point of orchastrating violence, or just venting you spleen against an easy target?:rolleyes:

Where did I say they are orchestrating violence?


They may condemn the violence in the media but what actual steps are they taking to stop it?

Will they help the Gardai identify those involved?

Did they give the Gardai a heads-up their was a big event in town, where tensions may rise and to have extra resources at the ready?

etc.. This isn't the first time feuds have happened.

fro9etb8j5qsl2

Ah sure that's just the travellers way of welcoming someone new into the family..... I swear boss....

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Boombastic wrote: »

Where did I say they are orchestrating violence?


They may condemn the violence in the media but what actual steps are they taking to stop it? It is not their role to stop violence as you well know

Will they help the Gardai identify those involved? Do you have evidence that they KNOW who did what to whom and when?

Did they give the Gardai a heads-up their was a big event in town, where tensions may rise and to have extra resources at the ready? What on earth makes you think they even knew such an event was taking place?

etc.. This isn't the first time feuds have happened.

You are obviously sadly lacking in what the role and purpose of PP is!
But sure belt with your spoting if it makes you feel better.

photofinish

EyeSight wrote: »

the thread on this got locked the other night. You cannot speak ill of criminal travellers here

As the left says you can't judge all by the actions of a few and I have not met every single one.
However every single one I have had the misfortune to meet has been a total scummer.

Boombastic

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

You are obviously sadly lacking in what the role and purpose of PP is!
But sure belt with your spoting if it makes you feel better.

Ok

It's their culture, nothing to see here, I'll move along while you continue to defend the indefensible

Banjo String

damaged in transit

upandcumming

SamHall wrote: »

damaged in transit

YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Jester252

These guys are giving Pavee Point a lot of work this week.

keithsfleet

Who are these Pavee point you speak of

Charlie Babbitt

Fight needs a soundtrack.

Press play on both vids here and watch it again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTviDfsgBiI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tczgVdw7W7Y

Whispered

I pressed play and the little add on the bottom of the video was for driving lessons in Kildare

Jester252

keithsfleet wrote: »

Who are these Pavee point you speak of

Pavee Point (PP) is a government-funded non-governmental organization based in Dublin, Ireland that was formed to improve the human rights of Irish Travellers and to bridge the economic and social inequalities between Travellers and settled people.

Wibbs

Where were/are the Gardai in all of this? I'm pretty sure if I tried to run someone down with my car in front of witnesses and video(both personal and no doubt CCTV) I'd be arrested in double quick time and marched away.

There does seem to be an vibe of untouchable regarding some elements of society. TBH I don't blame the Gardai for this. Scant resources and getting scanter. Even if they try to affect an arrest it could get ugly really quickly with mates and family of the perp. Then if they do arrest and charge them, unless they lock em up they'll just disappear like smoke. No fixed abode being handy that way. Some have literally become outlaws.

BNMC

Be the holy lord lampin mother of jaysus tonight.

Boombastic

Jester252 wrote: »

Pavee Point (PP) is a government-funded non-governmental organization based in Dublin, Ireland that was formed to improve the human rights of Irish Travellers and to bridge the economic and social inequalities between Travellers and settled people.

The work of Pavee Point is based on two key premises:

Real improvement in Travellers' living circumstances and social situation requires the active involvement of Travellers themselves.

Non-Travellers have a responsibility to address the various process which serve to exclude Travellers from participating as equals in society.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Boombastic wrote: »

Ok

It's their culture, nothing to see here, I'll move along while you continue to defend the indefensible

The only thing I have defended is PP, who have never claimed or asked to be held responsible for the behaviour of others.
Show me where I defended the criminal or anti social behaviour of any group?

photofinish

Boombastic wrote: »

The work of Pavee Point is based on two key premises:

Real improvement in Travellers' living circumstances and social situation requires the active involvement of Travellers themselves.

When the first quote is dealt with is when I might entertain the second one.

Non-Travellers have a responsibility to address the various process which serve to exclude Travellers from participating as equals in society.

Pawwed Rig

Wibbs wrote: »

Where were/are the Gardai in all of this? I'm pretty sure if I tried to run someone down with my car in front of witnesses and video(both personal and no doubt CCTV) I'd be arrested in double quick time and marched away.

Yes and if Wibbs tried to run me down I would be straight to the Guards giving a statement and willing to go to court to help in the prosecution. In many feud situations (if this is one) noone is willing to say anything which makes prosecutions much more difficult.

Also there has been cuts in the Guards around Kildare. Speaking to a Guard (a few years ago now) it could be the case that one car is covering an area from Naas to Kildare Town thereby making any kind of response in force impossible

Charlie Babbitt

Wibbs wrote: »

Where were/are the Gardai in all of this? I'm pretty sure if I tried to run someone down with my car in front of witnesses and video(both personal and no doubt CCTV) I'd be arrested in double quick time and marched away.

Could just have been a busy time.

Girl was raped locally here a few weeks back and the guy was discovered and subsequently chased by taxi drivers at rank near by and held down by them (on one of busiest streets in Dublin at 9pm at night) and yet, despite maybe a dozen calls they must have received from the taxi drivers and others, no Guards showed up for over a half hour.

Elbaston

GTA newbridge





Yes that ****er belongs in jail, dont want that on our streets.

photofinish

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

The only thing I have defended is PP, who have never claimed or asked to be held responsible for the behaviour of others.
Show me where I defended the criminal or anti social behaviour of any group?

It is the vibe people like yourself and others give off that causes the blood pressure in people like me to rise.
You think we are all nasty racists and we should treat these people like equals.
But being equal does not mean been held equally accountable for their actions.
No pub will serve them left wingers call that racist.
I call it common sense to protect their business.

I will not treat them like everybody else or give them a chance because I have had my fingers burned too many times.

Jester252

Boombastic wrote: »

The work of Pavee Point is based on two key premises:

Real improvement in Travellers' living circumstances and social situation requires the active involvement of Travellers themselves.

Which is how they have a lot of work to do. For every action like the incident with the van sets back improvement to social situation of the average traveler. Look at some of the post in this thread and the attitude toward traveler.

Boombastic

Jester252 wrote: »

Which is how they have a lot of work to do. For every action like the incident with the van sets back improvement to social situation of the average traveler. Look at some of the post in this thread and the attitude toward traveler.

Exactly and in order for attitudes to be changed, behaviour such as the above must be actively tackled from within the community.


Just out of interest, are there any Gardai from the travelling community?

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Jester252 wrote: »

Which is how they have a lot of work to do. For every action like the incident with the van sets back improvement to social situation of the average traveler. Look at some of the post in this thread and the attitude toward traveler.

Precisley, instead of condeming outright the criminal and lunatic behaviour of those involved, certain extremist posters would prefer to attack the one group who are at least trying to bring about change in the social,educational,health, and behaviour within the travelling community.
No right thinking person can or should defend criminality or anti social behaviour, but that does not require them them to lash out at those who are at least trying to bring about change.

mattjack

Boombastic wrote: »

Exactly and in order for attitudes to be changed, behaviour such as the above must be actively tackled from within the community.


Just out of interest, are there any Gardai from the travelling community?

There is .

Boombastic

mattjack wrote: »

There is .

That's good to hear! Do you know how many, roughly even?

Sir Humphrey Appleby

photofinish wrote: »

It is the vibe people like yourself and others give off that causes the blood pressure in people like me to rise.
You think we are all nasty racists and we should treat these people like equals.
But being equal does not mean been held equally accountable for their actions.
No pub will serve them left wingers call that racist.
I call it common sense to protect their business.

I will not treat them like everybody else or give them a chance because I have had my fingers burned too many times.

You seriously need to chill dude.
I never called you racist or inferred that you were a racist, thats just your own concience in all probability.
Its illegal for a pub or any other service to refuse them, are you suggesting that one section of society be allowed to break the law because it suits them to?:eek:
Finally, I'm a lot of things, but a left winger aint one of them bro!

photofinish

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Its illegal for a pub or any other service to refuse them, are you suggesting that one section of society be allowed to break the law because it suits them to?:eek:
Finally, I'm a lot of things, but a left winger aint one of them bro!

Sorry for calling you a left winger.:D

As regards pubs and hotels should they break the law or have their premises demolished?

Sir Humphrey Appleby

mattjack wrote: »

There is .

There are also teachers and elected councillors.
All proof that PP is making some progress while it at the same time rightly and properly condems both criminality and anti social behaviour.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

photofinish wrote: »

Sorry for calling you a left winger.:D

As regards pubs and hotels should they break the law or have their premises demolished?

seriously, I do sympathise with any business that is faced with hosting a large number of travellers, if only from the point of the fear they have that something will kick off.
That is why so many of them actually close when there is a fair (like in Borris) or a funeral on.
I'm not defending criminality, I am defending those like PP who are making the effort to bring about change.

mattjack

Boombastic wrote: »

That's good to hear! Do you know how many, roughly even?

NO idea , a few apparently .I went to school with a guy whose a settled traveller , he lived in a halting site till about ten years of age , he's a Garda along with a brother of his he himself reckons there could be twenty or so but he says thats a just a guess. , he also reckons there's quite a few travellers who are/were soldiers

mattjack

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

There are also teachers and elected councillors.
All proof that PP is making some progress while it at the same time rightly and properly condems both criminality and anti social behaviour.

Indeed , my dad is a care home with some traveller staff , my mother is delighted with them.