Vodafone Dublin City Triathlon

Podge83

There surprisingly doesn't seem to be a thread for this yet, particularly as its National Series and National Champs.

I presume there's a good few regulars on here doing it.

I'm looking forward to it now.

Who's done it before (lots of you I'd say).

Everyone is saying to me - jasas your'e not going to swim in the Liffey are you??. My answer is of course yes to their usual disbelief with my defence being that plenty do it every year with no "casualties" and that it is above the City and its "grand" out there by the Garda Boat Club etc.

A few questions:

1) with 5 bike laps, does the course get congested and is there a counting system of sorts or is it "trust". (I presume that the chip system counts the laps somehow?.
2) I sometimes cant avoid swallowing water during the swim - This is something I normally don't worry about but should I here? (I'm not looking for scientific answers, only has any one else had a "swallow" in the past and survived"??). I know that the water is tested and that the organisers take this issue seriously (reading last year's briefing).
3) Are the waves "fastest first" or broken up or by category (as Athy)?

Thanks and see yee all there!!

Shedite27

Did it last year. Good race, bike course is congested yes, and monotonous. Run course can be very rough. There was a section last year that was a mud bath with a few people losing runners stuck in the mud. Other aprts of the run were quite rough and easy to twist an ankle. I was expecting tarmac like other running races I'd done in the park.

In answer to your questions, they have a tag to count your laps, up to you to remember tho. There's usually a few DQ's where people "miscounted". Make sure ya know how many to do, and if first/last lap counts etc.

Inevitably I swallowed water last year. Think it's unavoidable to completely stay clear. I survived, but make sure ya get a good drink of clean water at T1.

Waves are fastest swimmer first from what I could see, based on the estimated swim time you provided.

miller82

did the super sprint two years ago. tackling the Oly this year, looking forward to it, although reading the above about five laps and cr4p run course, i'm not as pumped as i was.....i had forgoten all of that

Podge83

Better strap the Garmin to me bike!!

On the run course would you recommend normal shoes. (I'm presuming some of run is on tarmac so spikes not suitable if wet!!). With the weather this year the course shouldn't be as much of an issue re mud etc.

I'll take a nice sip of water in T1 I think. All the bets for it

Bambaata

Am registered but cant do unfortunately and no refunds being taken now

pgibbo

I'm in. Did it last year and enjoyed it. Granted the bike is a bit monotonous and congested it's not often you race on closed roads.

The run was pure hell last year. Toughest run I've had in any triathlon. My quads were shot after it. I'm hoping it will be firmer under foot this year.

I'm assuming there's registration the morning of the race. Someone told me there isn't. Any truth to that?

Podge83

pgibbo wrote: »

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I'm assuming there's registration the morning of the race. Someone told me there isn't. Any truth to that?

Last years briefing says registration Sunday Morning "by Exception" for people travelling from outside Dublin. Cant find details for this years

mirrormatrix

In contrast to most people so far, I really enjoyed the bike course last year. DCT was probably my favourite race last year. I find a bike course like this much less monotonous than some of the other races where you have a straight out and back. It also provides some sort of test of your bike handling abilities rather than just allowing you to sit on the aerobars for the duration.

The lap counting thing really annoyed me though. It might be just me, but I found that it was not made clear at all how many laps you had to do. Noone seemed to be sure whether the first half-lap that you do when you entered the park counted as lap 1, and the fact that there was a different entry/exit from the park just added to the confusion for me. I hope that this will be gone through thoroughly in the race briefing this year.

I liked the fact that the course was cross-country, made for a bit of a change. But i would agree with Shedite that certain parts of it were just too muddy. It was a real struggle to stay upright in places and i'd say you would really benefit from a pair of trail shoes on this course if you have them.

Regarding the swim, I was grand after it but I know a couple of people who were ill shortly afterwards, but this may not have been related to the water quality. Get some water in at T1 and make sure to take some flat coke on board at the finish. That stuff is supposed to fairly flush out your insides.

peter kern

Bambaata wrote: »

Am registered but cant do unfortunately and no refunds being taken now

Always a pity to see entries not being used, props to the races that realy care aobut the athletes and accommondate late changes.
Organicers are surely very busy in the lead up to a race at the same time it takes 1 min with the timming chip company to change names.

Bambaata

I had registered in April and completely forgot i had actually registered so when i got the TI automated mail i twigged that and tried to see if i could transfer. Pity as the 50 odd quid would have come in handy with Lanza 70.3 not far away!!

EoghanRooney

I completed the race in 2011, I was violently ill afterwards so be careful about swallowing water, stay out of the reeds etc if possible. Saying that I'm going back this year. The course is fine, the roads are good, there are faster ones out there if your looking for a pb but it will be the same for everyone on the day. The cycle breaks up your rhythm due to some sharp turns and hills, it's a good challenge though. The ground in the Park is bone dry this year so I wouldn't expect a mud bath unless we have a LOT of rain, but this is Ireland after all so anything could happen.

Turtle001

Hi All,

It's my first time doing this event and after reading the race brief I have 2 questions I was hoping to get some advice on from the more seasoned campaigners!

1. "Following the race brief, all athletes must remain in the holding area"
Ok, I'm not the fastest swimmer in the world and will be in wave 5 starting at 10am. Therefore it'll be 90mins after the race brief starts. Is there anywhere I can stash extra gear e.g. socks, tops before I actually start racing as I'm not sure if I'll have anyone with me at that time?

2. Counting laps - whilst I have counted to 5 before (a few times, I can't remember how many)..... I was wondering if anyone had any easy/practical tips for doing it in the cycle (without just running out last minute to buy some fancy electronics)

Cheers,
T

dited

Turtle001 wrote: »

Hi All,

It's my first time doing this event and after reading the race brief I have 2 questions I was hoping to get some advice on from the more seasoned campaigners!

1. "Following the race brief, all athletes must remain in the holding area"
Ok, I'm not the fastest swimmer in the world and will be in wave 5 starting at 10am. Therefore it'll be 90mins after the race brief starts. Is there anywhere I can stash extra gear e.g. socks, tops before I actually start racing as I'm not sure if I'll have anyone with me at that time?

2. Counting laps - whilst I have counted to 5 before (a few times, I can't remember how many)..... I was wondering if anyone had any easy/practical tips for doing it in the cycle (without just running out last minute to buy some fancy electronics)

Cheers,
T

There's usually a bag drop inside the holding pen, just beside the race start, so you'll have access to your gear pretty much up until you're in the water.

In the absence of a garmin or other bike computer, I've heard of people putting five strips of tape on their handlebars and removing one on each lap.

Best of luck !!

Shedite27

Turtle001 wrote: »

1. "Following the race brief, all athletes must remain in the holding area"
Ok, I'm not the fastest swimmer in the world and will be in wave 5 starting at 10am. Therefore it'll be 90mins after the race brief starts. Is there anywhere I can stash extra gear e.g. socks, tops before I actually start racing as I'm not sure if I'll have anyone with me at that time?

2. Counting laps - whilst I have counted to 5 before (a few times, I can't remember how many)..... I was wondering if anyone had any easy/practical tips for doing it in the cycle (without just running out last minute to buy some fancy electronics)

Yeah there's a bag drop that I think was open all day last year. So you won't be allowed back into transition, but can drop socks or whatever in your bag there.

With regards laps, you should have an idea of how long each 8k lap will take you. Probably 15+minutes? Basically you should know right, I've been on the bike 46mns, this is the end of lap 3.

Oryx

Turtle001 wrote: »

2. Counting laps - whilst I have counted to 5 before (a few times, I can't remember how many)..... I was wondering if anyone had any easy/practical tips for doing it in the cycle (without just running out last minute to buy some fancy electronics)

This may sound daft, but I put 5 tiny pieces of sticker on my handlebars. Removed one coming to the end of every lap. I know it sounds obvious and easy to count five laps, but it is easy to miscount when you're in race mode, and youll think 'was that three, or four...?'.

Edit Like dited said... which I only just saw.

miller82

Oryx wrote: »

This may sound daft, but I put 5 tiny pieces of sticker on my handlebars. Removed one coming to the end of every lap. I know it sounds obvious and easy to count five laps, but it is easy to miscount when you're in race mode, and youll think 'was that three, or four...?'.

Edit Like dited said... which I only just saw.

So what you're saying is, you littered on the course at undesignated litter drops ??

I presume you got DQ yes ?

Oryx

miller82 wrote: »

So what you're saying is, you littered on the course at undesignated litter drops ??

I presume you got DQ yes ?

Why no, I did not litter, sir. How dare you.

I still have them, on my top tube. Little darlings.

BTH

Oryx wrote: »

This may sound daft, but I put 5 tiny pieces of sticker on my handlebars. Removed one coming to the end of every lap. I know it sounds obvious and easy to count five laps, but it is easy to miscount when you're in race mode, and youll think 'was that three, or four...?'.

Edit Like dited said... which I only just saw.

Nothing obvious or easy about it. Twice in a row last night I miscounted 400m in the pool. And I do counting for a living!!

pgibbo

BTH wrote: »

Nothing obvious or easy about it. Twice in a row last night I miscounted 400m in the pool. And I do counting for a living!!

Glad I'm not a client of yours!!!

BTH

pgibbo wrote: »

Glad I'm not a client of yours!!!

Ssssshhhhh, don't let anyone out Whest find out!!

sconhome

BTH wrote: »

Ssssshhhhh, don't let anyone out Whest find out!!

You didn't miscount, you were double checking your calculations!! :rolleyes:

Diesel

Podge83 wrote: »

Last years briefing says registration Sunday Morning "by Exception" for people travelling from outside Dublin. Cant find details for this years

In answer;
Don't mix up registration with check-in. If registering the night before - you don't leave your bike ! I'm sure that's obvious - but there are newbies !! And welcome too...

On page 1/2 of the released race briefing: http://www.dublincitytriathlon.com/news/84-vodafone-dct-race-briefing

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Podge83

Diesel wrote: »

In answer;
Don't mix up registration with check-in. If registering the night before - you don't leave your bike ! I'm sure that's obvious - but there are newbies !! And welcome too...

On page 1/2 of the released race briefing: http://www.dublincitytriathlon.com/news/84-vodafone-dct-race-briefing

I've it all worked out thanks. I am relatively new to this lark but have done a few this year so am getting used to the way things work. I'm travelling Saturday and will get reg out of the way. Anyway, Garda boat club or not - I wouldn't leave my bike around there over night... Mind you I might check the Insurance as I could do with a new one.

Weather looks good so run course shouldn't be too muddy. From experience, what proportion of the run is on grass and what on tarmac??

I was talking to a fella this morning who is an avid open water swimmer who attests that the water quality in this part of the Liffey is a good as any river in the country. Don't know if he was trying to make me feel good or not but it worked!!.

Oryx

Podge83 wrote: »

Weather looks good so run course shouldn't be too muddy. From experience, what proportion of the run is on grass and what on tarmac??

70/30 as a rough guess? You start and end on path or tarmac.

I was talking to a fella this morning who is an avid open water swimmer who attests that the water quality in this part of the Liffey is a good as any river in the country. Don't know if he was trying to make me feel good or not but it worked!!.

I'd agree with that.

Shedite27

Podge83 wrote: »

Weather looks good so run course shouldn't be too muddy. From experience, what proportion of the run is on grass and what on tarmac??

Roughly 50/50 IMO. 1k tarmac, then 2k grass, 2k tarmac, then 3k grass, then 2k tarmac.

The tarmac sections are firstly from transition to the grass (along chapeloizid road and into the park), and then the following 2k sections are from the roundabout by the Aras back to the roundabout by the main gate.

Podge83 wrote: »

I was talking to a fella this morning who is an avid open water swimmer who attests that the water quality in this part of the Liffey is a good as any river in the country.

Only other river race I can compare it to is triAthy and I didn't notice it any worse than that.

joey100

I was talking to a fella this morning who is an avid open water swimmer who attests that the water quality in this part of the Liffey is a good as any river in the country. Don't know if he was trying to make me feel good or not but it worked!!.

I'd fully agree with this as well, only problem would be if there was suddenly a lot of rain. Doesn't like this will be the case though. From someone who has spent a huge amount of time in or on the Liffey it really isn't as dirty as you think.

miller82

joey100 wrote: »

I'd fully agree with this as well, only problem would be if there was suddenly a lot of rain. Doesn't like this will be the case though. From someone who has spent a huge amount of time in or on the Liffey it really isn't as dirty as you think.

i thought this was a good thing as it flushes out a lot of cr4p

Podge83

miller82 wrote: »

i thought this was a good thing as it flushes out a lot of cr4p

It does for some things but also it would bring down branches, debris and lots of "mucky" stuff due to run-off from fields etc. Look at a river in flood and water is always brown. Also would increase flow considerably which wouldn't be great (for first bit anyway!!)

Dowee

Podge83 wrote: »

I was talking to a fella this morning who is an avid open water swimmer who attests that the water quality in this part of the Liffey is a good as any river in the country.

Which is pretty much the reason I don't plan ever doing a river based triathlon in this country again!

cjt156

Dowee wrote: »

Which is pretty much the reason I don't plan ever doing a river based triathlon in this country again!

The thousands of people who do them every year without incident would seem to disagree.

BTH

cjt156 wrote: »

The thousands of people who do them every year without incident would seem to disagree.

I was wondering how long it would take Dowee to chime in!!

cjt, Dowee has first hand experience of the dangers that exist in all freshwater swims, and he is probably the main reason that the race briefing starts with a very clear warning about water safety and weils disease.

I'd advise everyone to read that warning and read it carefully. And re-read it next Wednesday or Thursday to make sure you aren't suffering from some mild symptoms. If you're symptoms are stronger than mild you'll already know about it at that point.

This advice doesn't just apply to DCT, but to all freshwater swims. Lets not do any more scaremongering in this thread.

joey100

Just to back up what BTH said, very important to read the briefing around the water. Weils disease has the same symptoms as the flu and takes around 5-7 days to show. If people are feeling sick make sure they tell the doctor that they have been in the Liffey. Like I said I've spent years on and in the Liffey and other rivers in Ireland and few of my friends have had Weils disease, (only one caught from the Liffey). If it's caught early enough it can be well treated, if not it can do some damage.

Dowee

BTH wrote: »

I was wondering how long it would take Dowee to chime.

It's all about timing

Good post above and good advice. Good luck with your upcoming season opener. Hope the health is back to somewhere near 100%

@cjt156: I don't need anyone to agree with me nor was i suggesting they do. We can all make our own choices. I stated mine above. A few years ago when i was a bit more naive about certain things I'd have agreed with you!

BTH

Dowee wrote: »

Good luck with your upcoming season opener. Hope the health is back to somewhere near 100%

It's close enough! I've been to watch so many races at this stage that I'm itching to get out there myself no matter what shape I'm in. I'll give all I can anyway, and hopefully enjoy it too.

Bambaata

Well i think i might be able to manage doing the swim for this. Seeing as i couldnt transfer my entry i might as well get some sort of value from it! Itll be an expensive swim but better than nothing. I'll have to TT to work then. Hopefully see some of ye before it kicks off

pgibbo

What's the best thing to do with open cuts or wounds before getting in the Liffey?

dited

pgibbo wrote: »

What's the best thing to do with open cuts or wounds before getting in the Liffey?

Small bit of antiseptic cream and cover with a waterproof dressing (eg Tegaderm or similar)? Best bet might be to stop in to a pharmacy and see what they recommend.

tunney

pgibbo wrote: »

What's the best thing to do with open cuts or wounds before getting in the Liffey?

Superglue (not actually joking you can buy "liquid bandages" which are superglues that you are unlikely to have a reaction to).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_bandage

Failing that superglue Important to note that while superglue and hot glue is often interchangeable this is not one of those times

joey100

What's the best thing to do with open cuts or wounds before getting in the Liffey?

Like dited said keep it covered, a small bit of electrical tape over it will also help hold any dressing in place.

A lot of people used to say that if you drink 2 litres of coke before you get in the water and then another 2 litres of coke when you get out you would be ok! Not sure I'd try it myself but always another option.......;)

tunney

joey100 wrote: »

Like dited said keep it covered, a small bit of electrical tape over it will also help hold any dressing in place.

A lot of people used to say that if you drink 2 litres of coke before you get in the water and then another 2 litres of coke when you get out you would be ok! Not sure I'd try it myself but always another option.......;)

The pH of coke is around 3
The pH of stomach acid is around 1.5

Oryx

joey100 wrote: »

Like dited said keep it covered, a small bit of electrical tape over it will also help hold any dressing in place.

A lot of people used to say that if you drink 2 litres of coke before you get in the water and then another 2 litres of coke when you get out you would be ok! Not sure I'd try it myself but always another option.......;)

Two litres? Youd be spewing coke halfway through the swim. :P

sconhome

Oryx wrote: »

Two litres? Youd be spewing coke halfway through the swim. :P

Not to mention being wind assisted on the bike & run

Podge83

Another quick question:

For those who know the park, do you think the bit of rain today (and forecast Sat night) will make things muddy??. I feel that it should be ok due to the current nature of the ground, but am trying to choose shoe type!!!.

Thanks

Oryx

Podge83 wrote: »

Another quick question:

For those who know the park, do you think the bit of rain today (and forecast Sat night) will make things muddy??. I feel that it should be ok due to the current nature of the ground, but am trying to choose shoe type!!!.

Thanks

Id wear normal road shoes. Even if its muddy, it will be minimal. There was only one badly chewed up section last year, most of the trail and grass was fine.

bryangiggsy

pgibbo wrote: »

What's the best thing to do with open cuts or wounds before getting in the Liffey?

DCT is the only tri in the country that mentions Weils disease in their race briefing every year and hence always gets discussed on here every year. Have done the race 4 times and have never had an issue. Hopefully Sunday will be number 5. Fingers crossed and all that. Since the risk is extremely low like all other tris in the country i wont lose any sleep over it. ...as for covering cuts i really dont think this is going to helpconsidering you have your mouth open and the mucous membranes of your gums are exposed every breath of the swim. If you are going to get it you are going to get it.
B

cjt156

Re mud & rain I'd say it'll make little or no difference. We had a deluge all day one day last week and the ground swallowed every drop. Soil was bone dry next day. It has been very dry all summer in comparison to last year.
The muddy patch last year was small enough under a sheltered tree-covered section if I remember correctly.

joey100

think the coke thing came from people thinking 'ah sure it cleans 20p coins, sure why wouldnt itstop you getting sick'. not recommending it to anyone but if anyone tries it let me know how you get on!

Dowee

bryangiggsy wrote: »

DCT is the only tri in the country that mentions Weils disease in their race briefing every year and hence always gets discussed on here every year. Have done the race 4 times and have never had an issue. Hopefully Sunday will be number 5. Fingers crossed and all that. Since the risk is extremely low like all other tris in the country i wont lose any sleep over it. ...as for covering cuts i really dont think this is going to helpconsidering you have your mouth open and the mucous membranes of your gums are exposed every breath of the swim. If you are going to get it you are going to get it.
B

It's not the only race briefing that mentions it and the risk only exists in fresh water triathlons so that rules many races out.

Would agree with your comments regarding the risk level and regarding the mouth being a likely way to get it. I had no open cuts when i got it so.....

littlemsfickle

Podge83 wrote: »

Another quick question:

For those who know the park, do you think the bit of rain today (and forecast Sat night) will make things muddy??. I feel that it should be ok due to the current nature of the ground, but am trying to choose shoe type!!!.

Thanks

I'd be more worried about the roads being slippy for the bike leg if it rains - lots of technical bends.

pgibbo

littlemsfickle wrote: »

I'd be more worried about the roads being slippy for the bike leg if it rains - lots of technical bends.

I was thinking the same thing myself. Roads got very greasy in Rosses Point this year and it made the technical sections a nightmare

2Cans

Hi,
First time DCT, cackin it!!
Can anyone tell me what is needed to register?