Lane Hoggers to be fined.......in Britain

ba_barabus

Well it's a step in the right direction and hopefully the Gardaí won't be too far behind. Now if only they'd go out and patrol the roads and pull people in.

I know people argue speeders are an easy target but with the amount of people doing this surely it would be rich pickings.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23713732

Careless drivers across Britain who hog lanes or tailgate can now be punished with on-the-spot police fines.

Under the new measures, officers can issue £100 fines and three points rather than taking drivers to court.

Ministers said it would make tackling problem motorists easier. The AA said a third of drivers risked facing a fine.

And a list of the offences included

Among the offences police are expected to focus on are:

• Driving too close to the vehicle in front

• Failing to give way at a junction (not requiring evasive action by another driver)


• Overtaking and pushing into a queue of traffic

• Being in the wrong lane and pushing into a queue on a roundabout

• Lane discipline, such as needlessly hogging the middle or outside lanes

• Inappropriate speed

• Wheel-spins, handbrake turns and other careless manoeuvres

Henry Ford III

Good.

YbFocus

The overtaking and passing into a queue of traffic one should be in long ago.
The amount of times that manoeuvre almost becomes an accident is unbelievable. And sure they get nowhere doing it anyway.

Mint Sauce

They have also bought in stopping in the bike box on a red light. On the spot and 3 points. Listening to some of the London News though last night, it has not be very well publicised according to some, although I heard the news myself over here on the BBC.

Scortho

The inappropriate speed? Grannies in micras doing 60 in a 100 km/h zone to be fined?

Atomic Pineapple

YbFocus wrote: »

The overtaking and passing into a queue of traffic one should be in long ago.
The amount of times that manoeuvre almost becomes an accident is unbelievable.

I've seen it turn into an accident plenty of times on the M50 as people jump the queue getting off at the busier junctions and then run into the back of someone.

ba_barabus

Scortho wrote: »

The inappropriate speed? Grannies in micras doing 60 in a 100 km/h zone to be fined?

Seems like it.

They seem to be targetting things that drivers for years have been complaining about. The kind of things which cause drivers to do stupid over taking maneuvers etc. I'm not excusing that behaviour but it seems a good idea to remove the causes.

visual

Can't see the garda implementing this as speeding and road tax checkpoints are very productive where as a lot of the other offences they need to catch them in the act.

Lane hogers could easily be dealt with if a garda car drove up and gave a blast of blues and twos

Caliden

- Driving too close to the vehicle in front


If only that was enforced here. Some people seem to think they have F1 brakes/reactions that they could stop on a penny.

maximoose

visual wrote: »

Lane hogers could easily be dealt with if a garda car drove up and gave a blast of blues and twos

I've seen this happen twice on the N7, and both times the middle lane hogger moved over to the left but then went back in to the middle lane when garda was out of sight. I'd say they didn't even know why they were warned.

ba_barabus

visual wrote: »

Can't see the garda implementing this as speeding and road tax checkpoints are very productive where as a lot of the other offences they need to catch them in the act.

Surely with the amount of it happening it would be far easier to catch them in the act rather than setting up a checkpoint and maybe catching a handful.

It would also have the added benefit of making the Gardaí visible on the roads again.

YbFocus

ba_barabus wrote: »

Surely with the amount of it happening it would be far easier to catch them in the act rather than setting up a checkpoint and maybe catching a handful.

It would also have the added benefit of making the Gardaí visible on the roads again.

Yeah I agree, at checkpoints they will get cars yes but nothing compared to cruising the n7 etc stopping every second car I imagine!
Lane hogging is probably the most prolific problem on irish multi-lane roads.

ba_barabus

YbFocus wrote: »

Yeah I agree, at checkpoints they will get cars yes but nothing compared to cruising the n7 etc stopping every second car I imagine!
Lane hogging is probably the most prolific problem on irish multi-lane roads.

Relatively new motorway network and nobody knows how to use it. As you say, they could just drive up and down the road and pick them off.

Anan1

Checkpoints on the M50 would cause massive disruption. I think the best way would be with remotely operated cameras - send out a fine with points, and keep the clip as evidence in case the driver elects to go to court.

ba_barabus

Anan1 wrote: »

Checkpoints on the M50 would cause massive disruption. I think the best way would be with remotely operated cameras - send out a fine with points, and keep the clip as evidence in case the driver elects to go to court.

Who said anything about checkpoints on the M50?

Just drive a squad car along and pull in drivers hogging lanes, tailgating, driving with no tax/insurance/nct, on the phone, cutting people off etc etc etc

thunderdan

Would be great to see it implemented here, I use the m50 everyday and see examples of bad/aggressive on most journeys.

Atomic Pineapple

Anan1 wrote: »

Checkpoints on the M50 would cause massive disruption. I think the best way would be with remotely operated cameras - send out a fine with points, and keep the clip as evidence in case the driver elects to go to court.

I agree this would be the best approach, I'd imagine depending on the camera quality it might even be possible for software to monitor the traffic and highlight where a driver may be driving in an incorrect lane.

Scortho

Atomic Pineapple wrote: »

I agree this would be the best approach, I'd imagine depending on the camera quality it might even be possible for software to monitor the traffic and highlight where a driver may be driving in an incorrect lane.

If the eyes in the sky in casinos can recognise card counters in disguise, I think it could be very possible to do.

Feck you wouldn't even need software. Drive on the m50 any time there's any sort of cars on it and you'll see plenty of people driving in the wrong lane.

I blasted a middle lane hogger out of it heading into town this morning opposite the spa hotel.
No cars around her and she's travelling at 60. Moved out from the driving/"slow lane" to overtake few beeps of the horn and pulled back into the driving lane.
500 metres and many other cars later and she's still in the middle lane.

JohnBoy26

Scortho wrote: »

I blasted a middle lane hogger out of it heading into town this morning opposite the spa hotel.
No cars around her and she's travelling at 60. Moved out from the driving/"slow lane" to overtake few beeps of the horn and pulled back into the driving lane.
500 metres and many other cars later and she's still in the middle lane.

Sounds to me like you were overtaking no one and instead moved out just to start beeping at this person or blasting them out of it as you say yourself.

As bad as it was for this driver to be in the wrong lane, there was no one around her and she was bothering no one.

Your actions could of caused an accident because you don't know how the driver could of reacted to someone blasting a horn at them. E.g they could be a nervous driver or someone with a heart condition.

The right thing for you to have done would be to report it instead of trying to police the roads yourself.

Shane Fitz

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Sounds to me like you were overtaking no one and instead moved out just to start beeping at this person or blasting them out of it as you say yourself.

As bad as it was for this driver to be in the wrong lane, there was no one around her and she was bothering no one.

Your actions could of caused an accident because you don't know how the driver could of reacted to someone blasting a horn at them. E.g they could be a nervous driver or someone with a heart condition.

The right thing for you to have done would be to report it instead of trying to police the roads yourself.

How do you figure that??
If he'd continued along in lane 1 would he not have illegally passed her on the left.??

Anan1

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Sounds to me like you were overtaking no one and instead moved out just to start beeping at this person or blasting them out of it as you say yourself.

As bad as it was for this driver to be in the wrong lane, there was no one around her and she was bothering no one.

How was he supposed to get past her?

JohnBoy26

Shane Fitz wrote: »

How do you figure that??
If he'd continued along in lane 1 would he not have illegally passed her on the left.??

not if the traffic in the outer lane is moving more slowly than the inside lane.

Anan1

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

not if the traffic in the outer lane is moving more slowly than the inside lane.

You need to go back and read that section of the ROTR more carefully.

JohnBoy26

Anan1 wrote: »

How was he supposed to get past her?

well there was suppose to be no other car around her and from my reading of it the cars in the inside lane were going faster than this woman so I can't see any reason why he couldn't of passed her like everyone else in the inside lane.

Atomic Pineapple

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

well there was suppose to be no other car around her and from my reading of it the cars in the inside lane were going faster than this woman so I can't see any reason why he couldn't of passed her like everyone else in the inside lane.

That would have been undertaking.

YbFocus

No man its only valid if your moving in traffic, like at Newlandscross or the like, you can pass on the inside at near stationary speeds.
Otherwise it's all the way over and then back if your passing a hogger.

JohnBoy26

Anan1 wrote: »

You need to go back and read that section of the ROTR more carefully.

Well if that the case it seems im not the only one. "500 meters and many cars later":p

limklad

visual wrote: »

Can't see the garda implementing this as speeding and road tax checkpoints are very productive where as a lot of the other offences they need to catch them in the act.

Lane hogers could easily be dealt with if a garda car drove up and gave a blast of blues and twos

Lane hogger can also be dealt with with penalty points and fines as the Law currently stands. Before penalty points system, it was in effect in Irish Road traffic bylaws since 1964.

RSA wrote:

http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Licensed%20Drivers/Penalty%20Points%20Chart1.pdf

Irish Law wrote:

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1964/en/si/0294.html#zzsi294y1964a17
Obligation to drive on the left and to use traffic lanes

17.—(1) A driver shall drive as near to the left hand side of the roadway as is necessary in order to allow, without danger or inconvenience to traffic or a pedestrian, approaching traffic to pass him on his right and overtaking traffic to overtake him on his right.

(3) A driver shall not drive from one traffic lane to another without good cause, and without yielding the right of way to traffic in that other lane.

In reality they want traffic to slow down therefore not enforcing that law by using their discretion.
Yet it is not in their mind set that these lane hoggers who ignorantly believe they can do what they want, whicsh infuriates other drivers and cause unnecessary traffic build up and can be the cause of accidents and/or bottle necks of traffic later on. These lane hoggers are causing problems for emergency services to get through causing unnecessary delays putting lives at risk.

Please send complaints to the Garda commissioner for the law to be enforce by the members of Garda Síochána. Also send evidence of multiple breaches. If there is enough complaints through different avenues, letter writing, emails, politicians, News media, then the Commissioner will have to respond.

limklad

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Sounds to me like you were overtaking no one and instead moved out just to start beeping at this person or blasting them out of it as you say yourself.

As bad as it was for this driver to be in the wrong lane, there was no one around her and she was bothering no one.

Your actions could of caused an accident because you don't know how the driver could of reacted to someone blasting a horn at them. E.g they could be a nervous driver or someone with a heart condition.

The right thing for you to have done would be to report it instead of trying to police the roads yourself.

If someone have a heart or have a nervous condition, they are endangering every road user on the road and is unfit to drive. The Road safety motto "Expect the unexpected" These driver who are lane hoggers who do not know their duty and obligations when driving on the road are a huge risk to everybody around them, including their passengers.

Personally I want the the law update to force people like these and those who regularly collect penalty point and those who are suspend off the road for a period, should be force to redo their full driving test including theory again before they are allow back onto the road again to drive. Personally I believe these drivers are worst than learner drivers.

JohnBoy26

YbFocus wrote: »

No man its only valid if your moving in traffic, like at Newlandscross or the like, you can pass on the inside at near stationary speeds.
Otherwise it's all the way over and then back if your passing a hogger.

my misunderstanding then. Apologies

JohnBoy26

limklad wrote: »

If someone have a heart or have a nervous condition, they are endangering every road user on the road and is unfit to drive. The Road safety motto "Expect the unexpected" These driver who are lane hoggers who do not know their duty and obligations when driving on the road are a huge risk to everybody around them, including their passengers.

That was my whole point really. Just because these people are unfit to drive, there are still some of them driving around and blasting them out of it might tip them over the edge.

I wasn't saying that someone with a heart condition or nervousness should be driving. It's just that you never know who you are dealing with is all.

Chris_Heilong

limklad wrote: »

If someone have a heart or have a nervous condition, they are endangering every road user on the road and is unfit to drive. The Road safety motto "Expect the unexpected" These driver who are lane hoggers who do not know their duty and obligations when driving on the road are a huge risk to everybody around them, including their passengers.

Personally I want the the law update to force people like these and those who regularly collect penalty point and those who are suspend off the road for a period, should be force to redo their full driving test including theory again before they are allow back onto the road again to drive. Personally I believe these drivers are worst than learner drivers.

Relax, the roads are a really dangerous place, thats a fact of life and its never going to change. IMO what you want sounds like over kill and is unlikely to happen. But good luck with the campaign, I think people have to learn what they are doing is wrong before anything else.

rovoagho

Mint Sauce wrote: »

They have also bought in stopping in the bike box on a red light. On the spot and 3 points. Listening to some of the London News though last night, it has not be very well publicised according to some, although I heard the news myself over here on the BBC.

I stop in them on purpose. If cyclists are going to refuse to use the cycle lanes, as they do regularly on the cycling forum, they can feck off.

Joe 90

Scortho wrote: »

The inappropriate speed? Grannies in micras doing 60 in a 100 km/h zone to be fined?

Anyone in a Micra should be fined.:)

Mind you, I was overtaken by one today. Overtaken by a Micra!

corktina

"Ireland solves debt crisis...fines lane hoggers" N7 Naas Road named as Gold MIne of the Year


Indy headline

Anan1

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

my misunderstanding then. Apologies

Fair play, that's rare around here.

mathepac

Scortho wrote: »

The inappropriate speed? Grannies in micras doing 60 in a 100 km/h zone to be fined?

UK speed limits are posted in mph :rolleyes:

Popoutman

rovoagho wrote: »

I stop in them on purpose. If cyclists are going to refuse to use the cycle lanes, as they do regularly on the cycling forum, they can feck off.

Don't be surprised to see cyclists pull in front of you and wait on green lights - after all you broke a red light by crossing your marked line.

Try riding a bike, and seeing what it is like to deal with drivers like you giving the rest of us law-abiding and conscientious drivers a bad name with people that we share the road with.

Anan1

rovoagho wrote: »

I stop in them on purpose. If cyclists are going to refuse to use the cycle lanes, as they do regularly on the cycling forum, they can feck off.

How incredibly petty.

ba_barabus

rovoagho wrote: »

I stop in them on purpose. If cyclists are going to refuse to use the cycle lanes, as they do regularly on the cycling forum, they can feck off.

What a great idea.

Does this mean I can drive on the footpaths when people decide to walk on the road?

AugustusMinimus

Only this evening on the N25 near Little Island. There was some idiot driving an E-Class. Refused to get out of the over taking lane.

I flashed him and he turned on his hazards in response. I had enough and undertook him. The person that was behind me then proceeded to flash him and also got the hazard light treatment.

****ing retard in the extreme. Must have been doing 100kph max in a 120kph zone in the overtaking lane with the driving lane completely empty.

visual

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Only this evening on the N25 near Little Island. There was some idiot driving an E-Class. Refused to get out of the over taking lane.

I flashed him and he turned on his hazards in response. I had enough and undertook him. The person that was behind me then proceeded to flash him and also got the hazard light treatment.

****ing retard in the extreme. Must have been doing 100kph max in a 120kph zone in the overtaking lane with the driving lane completely empty.

Sounds like the type if you beeped the horn they hit the brakes.

Scortho

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

my misunderstanding then. Apologies

No problem at all.
Trust me, I think we'd all prefer if undertaking was legal.
If it was I'd have my own personal lane on the m50.

Max Power1

Scortho wrote: »

No problem at all.
Trust me, I think we'd all prefer if undertaking was legal.
If it was I'd have my own personal lane on the m50.

I do have my own personal lane on most motorways in Ireland tbh

YbFocus

I really don't like undertaking, always this fear that they'll pin ya to the guard rail without looking.
I always Flash a few times and sit there for a couple of mins.
If they don't move i just Bump them, they always move then.

mathepac

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Only this evening on the N25 near Little Island. There was some idiot driving an E-Class. Refused to get out of the over taking lane.

I flashed him and he turned on his hazards in response. I had enough and undertook him. The person that was behind me then proceeded to flash him and also got the hazard light treatment.

****ing retard in the extreme. Must have been doing 100kph max in a 120kph zone in the overtaking lane with the driving lane completely empty.

1 there is no such thing as an overtaking lane

2 flashing your lights in this situation is intimidation

3 undertaking in this fashion is dangerous driving

4 120 kph is a limit not a target

To use your own phrase "****ing retard in the extreme" is probably correct but not necessarily just the E Class driver.

Anan1

mathepac wrote: »

1 there is no such thing as an overtaking lane

??

Shane Fitz

mathepac wrote: »

1 there is no such thing as an overtaking lane

Excuse me, what???

YbFocus

Someone needs the 2013 edition

mathepac

Shane Fitz wrote: »

Excuse me, what???

I excuse most minor things, typos, mis-quotes, poor manners, spelling errors, even bad grammar, etc. but not deliberately stupid and dangerous driving or advocating, justifying or glorifying it.

Interesting that the typo got all the attention here. Little things amuse the simple as Granny used to say.

Max Power1

YbFocus wrote: »

I really don't like undertaking, always this fear that they'll pin ya to the guard rail without looking.
I always Flash a few times and sit there for a couple of mins.
If they don't move i just Bump them, they always move then.

If its an aul one in a micra or something I beep the horn, then go, so they know what I am doing

If it is some pr!ck in an Audi/Merc/Bmw etc then I will just continue on my way... as they are clearly oblivious to the ROTR

Kindof like this guy tbh

mathepac wrote: »

1 there is no such thing as an overtaking lane

2 flashing your lights in this situation is intimidation

3 undertaking in this fashion is dangerous driving

4 120 kph is a limit not a target

To use your own phrase "****ing retard in the extreme" is probably correct but not necessarily just the E Class driver.

LOL