Trying to find Puppy Jack Russell

Rick14613

Hi
I have searched online classifieds, rescue centres and contacted local vets, and also vetinary hospitals, and the Irish Kennel Club and Jack Russell Clubs ( which are really the pedigree business side), but I never imagined it would be so hard to try to adopt a 3 - 4 months old puppy. There aren't really many options. I even contacted the kennel where I leave my own dog in while I'm away and 2 local pedigree breeders, but absolutely nobody can tell me where to get a normal cheap Jack Russell puppy. I need a female, and unlike my other dog which I rescued from Paws at 1 year old in Kildare, I cannot take on a rescue or older dog this time, as my time is more limited currently. I need a no baggage kind of fresh pup who will befriend my dog. She is over her baggage as we've had her for many years, and she has lots of patience with family coming with their puppys nipping at her.

CAN ANYONE TELL ME IN NORTH COUNTY DUBLIN OR SURROUNDING COUNTIES WHERE I CAN CONTINUE MY SEARCH BEFORE THE WINTER WEATHER ARRIVES! PLEASE HELP!

sNarah

Moved from Dublin Country North as I think Animal & Pet forum might be able to help more!

muddypaws

I think the issue is probably that you want a cheap puppy. If you want a pup with no baggage, then you need to go to an excellent breeder who will have socialised the pup really well, those breeders don't sell cheap, because they will have spent money on the mother and father, good vet care for them and the pups, health testing etc, and they don't let their pups go to just anybody, so you may have to wait.

The chances of finding a JRT puppy of that age in rescue is very slim, you will find plenty of pups, but not pure breed JRTs.

Meteoric

Rick14613 wrote: »

Hi
I have searched online classifieds, rescue centres and contacted local vets, and also vetinary hospitals, and the Irish Kennel Club and Jack Russell Clubs ( which are really the pedigree business side), but I never imagined it would be so hard to try to adopt a 3 - 4 months old puppy. There aren't really many options. I even contacted the kennel where I leave my own dog in while I'm away and 2 local pedigree breeders, but absolutely nobody can tell me where to get a normal cheap Jack Russell puppy. I need a female, and unlike my other dog which I rescued from Paws at 1 year old in Kildare, I cannot take on a rescue or older dog this time, as my time is more limited currently. I need a no baggage kind of fresh pup who will befriend my dog. She is over her baggage as we've had her for many years, and she has lots of patience with family coming with their puppys nipping at her.

CAN ANYONE TELL ME IN NORTH COUNTY DUBLIN OR SURROUNDING COUNTIES WHERE I CAN CONTINUE MY SEARCH BEFORE THE WINTER WEATHER ARRIVES! PLEASE HELP!

With all respect why do you need a 3-4 month female puppy? If you don't have time for a 1 year old dog you don't have time for a puppy. They need a lot of time putting in to them at that age. Your current dog can't be expected to raise a puppy that will then turn out right. If you need an impressionable companion a dog in the 9 months to 18 months that has been raised well would be best. They should be used of being the lesser to Mum and possibly rest of pack so willing/happy to be second dog but do not need the extensive time and human interaction a pup does.

Rick14613

Thanks for the quick responses. I do not need a pedigree dog, just a jack russell that is not a miniature breed ( as we have a lot of cats around), and I don't want a mix of a daschund or corgi or pom etc mixed. I like the plain old normal smooth coated jack russel. I've always been used to them, and they generally have good long term overall health and lifespan. They are very kind to their owners, and extremely vicious generally to trespassers! I don't want them to be 8 weeks old or anything as I know that the pups need the nourishment and time with their mother and siblings. I want one that is still highly impressionable and dead set on pleasing and learning! I do have time for the dog like with my existing dog. However, I know from experience that a rescue dog carries psychological issues like a human could, and overall it means they can be more needy, clingy and prone to misbehaving or inappropriate reactions etc. The dog I have has always had no road sense yet at the slightest oppurtunity she runs away from home, only to return hours later (by luck). We have witnessed her crossing the busy roads and she just runs, and doesn't look. She runs like a mad hare, and seeks out every chance to escape. She has only escaped a few times, but once was missing for days. She is happy and is always delighted when we arrive home, or if we bring her out, but even on the lead she will wait if she feels like it but if not nothing you can say would make her come towards you. She is very well behaved in many other ways and aims to please and does what she is told. She just can't stop her urge to roam.

tk123

If you've no time why do you want a pup?! Btw I'm typing this in bed with an almost 12 week old pup asleep in her crate beside me. We love to bts her but we're exhausted taking her out to the loo, taking stuff from her mouth, rescuing the older dog from her when she's pestering him, training her as well as fitting in eating and sleeping and looking after ourselves lol!

Also isn't there a good chanc two females end up fighting?

Meteoric

Rick14613 wrote: »

Thanks for the quick responses. I do not need a pedigree dog, just a jack russell that is not a miniature breed ( as we have a lot of cats around), and I don't want a mix of a daschund or corgi or pom etc mixed. I like the plain old normal smooth coated jack russel. I've always been used to them, and they generally have good long term overall health and lifespan. They are very kind to their owners, and extremely vicious generally to trespassers! I don't want them to be 8 weeks old or anything as I know that the pups need the nourishment and time with their mother and siblings. I want one that is still highly impressionable and dead set on pleasing and learning! I do have time for the dog like with my existing dog. However, I know from experience that a rescue dog carries psychological issues like a human could, and overall it means they can be more needy, clingy and prone to misbehaving or inappropriate reactions etc. The dog I have has always had no road sense yet at the slightest oppurtunity she runs away from home, only to return hours later (by luck). We have witnessed her crossing the busy roads and she just runs, and doesn't look. She runs like a mad hare, and seeks out every chance to escape. She has only escaped a few times, but once was missing for days. She is happy and is always delighted when we arrive home, or if we bring her out, but even on the lead she will wait if she feels like it but if not nothing you can say would make her come towards you. She is very well behaved in many other ways and aims to please and does what she is told. She just can't stop her urge to roam.

If a dog has not been treated badly there are two times they naturally bond with new people and new family. One is the 8 weeks time where they are weaned from mum and another is their "teenage" years which is the 9 months to 18 months stage. The 3 to 4 month stage is a bad time in my opinion, it's like putting a 6 year old human with a new family/into boarding school, they might turn out ok but it is a lottery. A thirteen year old human knows who they are but are independent. With the slightly older dogs they know who they are but are, like a teenager, happy to experience new things and adapt to it.
I got my two much loved and much loving me dogs in that teenage window

Rick14613

Hi,
We've had puppies here visiting alongside our own dog. She seems to recognise the fact that we are allowing the family to bring along their puppies when they stay over. She has allowed them to eat her food, and drink her drink from her bowls. She may sniff at them but she doesn't growl at them unless they do it first, and even then she never attempts to bite them. She has had to make herself scare and/or keep trying to distance herself from some of them who want to nip her. She still never retaliates only tries to block their efforts to injure her. She only behaves like this as she is trying to please us. She is aggressive towards any person or animal attempting to enter our property if she is out the front. She has bitten a boxer and a rotweiller on seperate occasions and neither of them managed to even nip her. She is very aggressive when she wants to be. She allows me to pull her and brush her teeth for ages, bath her or drag her against her will out of her outdoor little kennel. She is very good natured towards people she cares about. I know about the work involved in taking on a puppy as we have had puppies staying here for days at a time, and repeat visits of the same dogs. I have known people with 2 female dogs and also 2 male dogs and they seem to get on long term just fine after a few months.

borderlinemeath

Rick14613 wrote: »

Thanks for the quick responses. I do not need a pedigree dog, just a jack russell that is not a miniature breed ( as we have a lot of cats around), and I don't want a mix of a daschund or corgi or pom etc mixed.

There's no such thing as a 'miniature' jack russell breed. They're just the runts of the litter given a cute name by bad breeders.

I like the plain old normal smooth coated jack russel. I've always been used to them, and they generally have good long term overall health and lifespan. They are very kind to their owners, and extremely vicious generally to trespassers!

Yes they can be vocal, but the last thing you want is one that is vicious and will attack the postman/courier/ESB meter reader etc. Then you could wind up with all sorts of problems. A JRT killed a baby in the UK this year, you don't want to rear a dog that has behavioural problems.

I don't want them to be 8 weeks old or anything as I know that the pups need the nourishment and time with their mother and siblings. I want one that is still highly impressionable and dead set on pleasing and learning

8 weeks is the perfect age for pups to leave their mother. They've learned plenty and the next phase of learning is with their forever home.

I do have time for the dog like with my existing dog. However, I know from experience that a rescue dog carries psychological issues like a human could, and overall it means they can be more needy, clingy and prone to misbehaving or inappropriate reactions etc.

That's a complete myth, not every dog from rescue is as you describe. I know plenty of dogs that have been with their owners from 8 weeks and are needy, clingy, barky etc. None of them are rescues. You can't say that every rescue dog is going to be this way, just as you can't guarantee that a pup or a dog from a breeder will behave as appropriately as you want it to, it's all about how you train the dog and it's environment.

The dog I have has always had no road sense yet at the slightest oppurtunity she runs away from home, only to return hours later (by luck). We have witnessed her crossing the busy roads and she just runs, and doesn't look. She runs like a mad hare, and seeks out every chance to escape. She has only escaped a few times, but once was missing for days. She is happy and is always delighted when we arrive home, or if we bring her out, but even on the lead she will wait if she feels like it but if not nothing you can say would make her come towards you. She is very well behaved in many other ways and aims to please and does what she is told. She just can't stop her urge to roam.

Is she spayed? Maybe she roams when she's in heat. Most dogs given the opportunity will escape, either way you need to secure your perimeter to ensure she doesn't get out. And yes like tk says, two bitches in the same house may fight, a male/female mix can be a far more peaceful living arrangement.

Rick14613

Its just that from reading a lot online that many sites suggest it is less than ideal for pups to leave their mother at 8 weeks, and that it is the bare minimum and should only happen if really can't be helped. It seems that they need the extra month or more to get nourished by their mother's milk, and to experience the pack kind of thing too. There are lots of sites advising that if the dog owners are allowing the pups to go that soon that they are not responsible owners, and that those dogs are best avoided as they may have future health problems and could be run out like a production line. They also state that pedigree dogs have more health problems than the normal ones, and that you should never pay more than the cost of worming and vaccines for your dog as they suffer poorer health when the owners are purely interested in the money. They imply that many business setup style breeding owners will often add a few weeks on to the actual age of the pups, which could mean that the pup won't survive too well after the separation.
I will try to get back to my main concern. I can't find any run of the mill pups around 3 ish months old. I know that JRTs had always been very popular so I do not understand what has happened.

Rick14613

She has had a full hysterectomy. She has never had pups herself. She ended up having a hysterectomy as she was bloated and had a double hernia. She had tests etc and they didn't know what to make of it all. I ended up agreeing to them opening her up to see and perform whatever needed doing as well as a hysterectomy. She has been back to full perfect health since the double hernia was fixed up, and she was packed to prevent anything like that happening again. She didn't change in her weight, personality or eating habits since her op. She was just miserable for 2 weeks or so afterwards as she could not move hardly at all, as she was so sore. I do not want a rescue dog as I would not want to upset her with a badly behaved sibling. She had her own troubles, and it seems unfair. I would consider a rescue dog if I only had the new pup grown up, but for her it could be a bad influence or bring back bad habits. I just think that I should be able to get a new puppy if I want! There are people that have never and would never take a rescue dog. I think I have a good balance of both situations, and just do not think a rescue dog is right for my situation currently.

muddypaws

Rick14613 wrote: »

Its just that from reading a lot online that many sites suggest it is less than ideal for pups to leave their mother at 8 weeks, and that it is the bare minimum and should only happen if really can't be helped. It seems that they need the extra month or more to get nourished by their mother's milk, and to experience the pack kind of thing too. There are lots of sites advising that if the dog owners are allowing the pups to go that soon that they are not responsible owners, and that those dogs are best avoided as they may have future health problems and could be run out like a production line. They also state that pedigree dogs have more health problems than the normal ones, and that you should never pay more than the cost of worming and vaccines for your dog as they suffer poorer health when the owners are purely interested in the money. They imply that many business setup style breeding owners will often add a few weeks on to the actual age of the pups, which could mean that the pup won't survive too well after the separation.
I will try to get back to my main concern. I can't find any run of the mill pups around 3 ish months old. I know that JRTs had always been very popular so I do not understand what has happened.

Pups would be well weaned by 8 weeks, would you like to be a dam with an 8 week old pup with those razor sharp teeth on your teats?

I think maybe you need to do more research into dogs, things like fear periods, socialisation etc and when it is the best time for pups to leave their mothers.

You seem to have a very bad opinion of all breeders, yet you are looking for a cheap pup, and as I said before, the only people who are selling pups cheaply are BAD breeders. So either you want a pup from a puppy farmer, who does the things you describe, or you'd be willing to pay a fair price for a well bred, well reared pup, your choice.

borderlinemeath

Rick14613 wrote: »

Its just that from reading a lot online that many sites suggest it is less than ideal for pups to leave their mother at 8 weeks, and that it is the bare minimum and should only happen if really can't be helped.

Maybe for toy breeds an extra 2/3 weeks is beneficial, but the majority of dogs 8 weeks is the perfect time. The pup has learned how to eat, play, interact with it's siblings, humans of all shapes and sizes, and has got used to household noises, such as tvs, hoovers, dishwashers etc. The next phase of learning covers meeting new people, new dogs, experiencing new environments and this all should happen before 12 weeks, it's crucial to get the new pup out into the big bad world after it's vaccinations.

It seems that they need the extra month or more to get nourished by their mother's milk, and to experience the pack kind of thing too. There are lots of sites advising that if the dog owners are allowing the pups to go that soon that they are not responsible owners, and that those dogs are best avoided as they may have future health problems and could be run out like a production line.

The mother will have weaned the puppies off her milk at about 5/6 weeks, and they should be eating puppy food.

A good breeder will have done everything I stated above, socialised the pups with all kinds of humans, men, women, children of varied ages, everyday noises, let them play and explore the home (not just outside in a shed) and also ensured that they're wormed and had their first vaccinations, registered them with the IKC if necessary and had them microchipped.

They also state that pedigree dogs have more health problems than the normal ones, and that you should never pay more than the cost of worming and vaccines for your dog as they suffer poorer health when the owners are purely interested in the money. They imply that many business setup style breeding owners will often add a few weeks on to the actual age of the pups, which could mean that the pup won't survive too well after the separation.

What's a 'normal' one? Jack russells are either pedigree or crosses of jack russells. Do you mean a dog that has been bred not for show? There's no guarantee that a dog that wasn't bred for show will be healthier, in fact, the less you pay for your dog, the more chance is that you are going to a back yard breeder/puppy farm.

I will try to get back to my main concern. I can't find any run of the mill pups around 3 ish months old. I know that JRTs had always been very popular so I do not understand what has happened.

borderlinemeath

Rick14613 wrote: »

She has had a full hysterectomy. She has never had pups herself. She ended up having a hysterectomy as she was bloated and had a double hernia. She had tests etc and they didn't know what to make of it all. I ended up agreeing to them opening her up to see and perform whatever needed doing as well as a hysterectomy. She has been back to full perfect health since the double hernia was fixed up, and she was packed to prevent anything like that happening again. She didn't change in her weight, personality or eating habits since her op. She was just miserable for 2 weeks or so afterwards as she could not move hardly at all, as she was so sore. I do not want a rescue dog as I would not want to upset her with a badly behaved sibling. She had her own troubles, and it seems unfair. I would consider a rescue dog if I only had the new pup grown up, but for her it could be a bad influence or bring back bad habits. I just think that I should be able to get a new puppy if I want! There are people that have never and would never take a rescue dog. I think I have a good balance of both situations, and just do not think a rescue dog is right for my situation currently.

Absolutely you can get a new puppy as is your want, but I was pointing out that you unfairly tainted all rescue dogs with the same brush.

I have one of each, a very spoilt 6yr old bitch that we had from 8 weeks old, who welcomed her rescue brother in 2 years ago. Best thing we ever did for her, they're the best of friends and he has actually helped with her own personality, she's a lot more laid back, and less dependent on her humans for all entertainment. The bond between them is evident, whereas before we got our rescue boy, we never would have thought that it would have worked given our bitches temperament. In fact, what we've found is that she's not overly fond of puppies at all, she gets on far better with mature dogs.

Rick14613

I don't believe that dogs need to be over kind of produced if that makes sense. I am perfectly happy to worm them, get their vaccines, brush them and their teeth and bath them. I can socialise them and train them and I know with pedigree they are meant to have a certain bloodline etc, which can involve extended distant relatives to keep them pure. I am all for the more pleasant thoughts of two people with smooth coated JRTs just decide to get their dogs to mate, and then sell or give away or keep the puppies, but that they would care where the dogs ended up. I know from the experience I had and the research I undertook and the vets advice that I was given, that bitches have better health if they have at least one litter of pups, or otherwise get neutered before having lots of seasons. I am willing to pay anywhere up to about 50 or 60 to pay for vaccines done, worming already done etc. I still belive that if there is nothing in it for the seller that the dog will more likely be a healthier dog. I am also willing to take a dog around 9 or ten weeks if needs be as I know that the owners may find it all too much having several pups to look after over a number of weeks. I cannot find any though, unless the ads are ancient adverts, or the dogs have been mixed with a completely different breed, or unless they are pedigree etc. There are ads charging 200 Euros for a JRT pup which I believe is money making and that they don't care about the animal or it's development.

borderlinemeath

Rick14613 wrote: »

I don't believe that dogs need to be over kind of produced if that makes sense. I am perfectly happy to worm them, get their vaccines, brush them and their teeth and bath them. I can socialise them and train them and I know with pedigree they are meant to have a certain bloodline etc, which can involve extended distant relatives to keep them pure. I am all for the more pleasant thoughts of two people with smooth coated JRTs just decide to get their dogs to mate, and then sell or give away or keep the puppies, but that they would care where the dogs ended up. I know from the experience I had and the research I undertook and the vets advice that I was given, that bitches have better health if they have at least one litter of pups, or otherwise get neutered before having lots of seasons.

No! A bitch DOES NOT need to have a litter to have better health. Seriously, all your information is about 2 decades out of date! Your vet is absolutely incorrect in saying that a bitch should have a litter for a healthy life. Having a litter of pups is a serious undertaking and your utopian idea of two people just letting their dogs mate and low and behold, 9 weeks later there's a cute little bundle of puppies is why every shelter, rescue and pound is full to bursting with unwanted dogs.

I am willing to pay anywhere up to about 50 or 60 to pay for vaccines done, worming already done etc. I still belive that if there is nothing in it for the seller that the dog will more likely be a healthier dog. I am also willing to take a dog around 9 or ten weeks if needs be as I know that the owners may find it all too much having several pups to look after over a number of weeks. I cannot find any though, unless the ads are ancient adverts, or the dogs have been mixed with a completely different breed, or unless they are pedigree etc. There are ads charging 200 Euros for a JRT pup which I believe is money making and that they don't care about the animal or it's development.

Maybe the decent breeders that are asking for €200+ have actually spent money on health testing their dogs? Or brought their dogs to the vets for check ups pre whelping? Or has had veterinary intervention during whelping?
You're really making a lot of assumptions on what you think is the right price to pay, based on a lot of misinformation that's coming through in your posts. If you buy a pup for €50, you're highly likely to be getting a puppy farmed pup. Accidental litters between two dogs that are the same breed are few and far between, so you just won't find what your looking for in that price range.

Rick14613

Does anyone know of any non pedigree smooth female young puppy Jrts in Dublin or surrounds?!

Rick14613

The vet only stated that if they are not neutered then they have better long term health if they either had been neutered as soon as possible, or failing that outcome that they had ended up producing one litter. The vets opinion was that if you don't think pups are going to be an option then neuter as the more seasons naturally passing by can create problems for the dog, which I read on many sites too. I also read that the dog maintains a more youthful healthy body the later that they can manage to go before undergoing a hysterectomy but only if repeatedly going into heat doesn't go wrong along the way. It seems that after being neutered the dogs age quicker. I don't claim to know the best answer, but it probably is complex like vaccines and babies!
I think that if 2 people decide to mate their dogs that they should have decided in advance that certain people can take one or two, and that they might keep one each etc too. I can't see why if the dog has 6 - 8 pups that it would be hard to shift them if you have already agreed with friends and family who may want one before the pregnancy. You may only end up with each dog owner holding onto one or 2 at the most extra pups each for a slightly longer time. I imagine that pups are very easy to shift if you don't overcharge. If I was let I would take 3!

ferretone

Meteoric wrote: »

If a dog has not been treated badly there are two times they naturally bond with new people and new family. One is the 8 weeks time where they are weaned from mum and another is their "teenage" years which is the 9 months to 18 months stage. The 3 to 4 month stage is a bad time in my opinion, it's like putting a 6 year old human with a new family/into boarding school, they might turn out ok but it is a lottery. A thirteen year old human knows who they are but are independent. With the slightly older dogs they know who they are but are, like a teenager, happy to experience new things and adapt to it.
I got my two much loved and much loving me dogs in that teenage window

I actually haven't heard this before at all, Meteoric - that there are just those 2 "windows" when it's a good time to adopt a dog.

Our Dobie Lola turned up, urgently needing removed from the pound, at 5 months old. We were luckily able to get <snip> to approve it, as she was a restricted breed, got the mandatory chipping done, and she came home.

She was reluctant to get in the car that one time, after all that had happened her, going to Ashton and spending almost a week there, but after that I have to say she only went from strength to strength, loving her life and becoming confident in all kinds of situations. And last year, many years after her rescue, when we left her with my parents to go on our first decent holiday in years, if you'd seen her ecstatic reaction on our return, I'd strongly challenge your assertion that she didn't come at a good time to bond with us

And OP, I absolutely do know somebody who has the pup you want, but will not put you in touch with them, as you are not fit to own it until you open your mind to learn a lot more about dogs, in every way I can think of :rolleyes:

sadie06

OP I feel that your intentions are good, I really do, but your opinions are quite the opposite to what I'd expect from someone trying to source a quality pup. If you are trying to source a certain breed, you are essentially shopping and money is a factor, whether you want to admit that or not. I'm not judging by the way, as I just recently did the same.

If we had gone for just anyone with pups of the breed we wanted, we would have ended up in the County next to us buying from a woman who was lying through her teeth about how many litters her bitch had recently had. She was selling for roughly €100 less than quality breeders. Two counties away was a man even worse!


Instead, we made over a 3 hour journey each way, twice, once to visit and once to pick up our pup. I feel it was completely worth it. If you are worried about the psychological issues a rescue dog may have, please consider the issues a JRT that has been raised poorly (perhaps by an exhausted bitch with poor quality milk, and an owner with zero interest) may have.


Of course all of the above can be ascertained using common sense, but it is incorrect to say that the more expensive dogs are being sold by people with nothing but a monetary interest.

cathy01

<snip> have some type of thing working with England they may help.
<snip> is another.
Both do home visits and would only give you a dog if your suitable.oh and <snip>,we got out 1 year old pup about 10 years ago.he was fostered first to make sure he fit in with our family they rang two days later to say they had a home and we felt like someone wa trying to take our kids.hes now part of our family.he was out out when the baby came along and only this year that's shes 20 months would i let him near her.for his sake hes too old to be cuddled that much.somedays he just spends it on his back getting belly rubs:-)


Mod note: as per the forum charter, please don't suggest individual rescue groups on thread. If you want to recommend a rescue group, please do so by PM.
Do not reply to this edit on thread.
Thanks,
DBB

Rick14613

''And OP, I absolutely do know somebody who has the pup you want, but will not put you in touch with them, as you are not fit to own it until you open your mind to learn a lot more about dogs, in every way I can think of '' :rolleyes:

THE QUOTE BOX DIDN'T DISPLAY QUITE RIGHT FOR ME ABOVE, SHOULD BE BOXED IN AND OBVIOUSLY A QUOTE, WHICH WAS FROM A DIF USER! Mod edit: fixed that for you ;-)

I have always had dogs who have lived long lives. I have never had more than one dog at a time on a permanent basis. I have always practisted responsible dog ownership. I hate other people's dogs off the lead in public big or small because it's harder to stop dogs fighting. I always pick up after my dog fouls. I always have my dog in my car, not behind bars in the boot like some people. I always strap her in. I am in tune with dogs, and not very much with cats. I don't believe that a cheap dog means a bad dog. I have always had either free or cheap dogs. They have always been trainable and adorable.

tk123

Rick14613 wrote: »

I am willing to pay anywhere up to about 50 or 60 to pay for vaccines done, worming already done etc. I
There are ads charging 200 Euros for a JRT pup which I believe is money making and that they don't care about the animal or it's development.

Money making or not - I would hope anyone who's dog is having pups would be taking it to the vet for checkups, dam and pups need to be fed and pups will need to be vaccinated twice - usually once with the breeder and you get the second one done, worming every 2 weeks until 12 weeks etc etc
That's going to cost closer to €200 than €50-60 - well in my vets anyways!

OldNotWIse

Rick14613 wrote: »

''And OP, I absolutely do know somebody who has the pup you want, but will not put you in touch with them, as you are not fit to own it until you open your mind to learn a lot more about dogs, in every way I can think of '' :rolleyes:

THE QUOTE BOX DIDN'T DISPLAY QUITE RIGHT FOR ME ABOVE, SHOULD BE BOXED IN AND OBVIOUSLY A QUOTE, WHICH WAS FROM A DIF USER!

I have always had dogs who have lived long lives. I have never had more than one dog at a time on a permanent basis. I have always practisted responsible dog ownership. I hate other people's dogs off the lead in public big or small because it's harder to stop dogs fighting. I always pick up after my dog fouls. I always have my dog in my car, not behind bars in the boot like some people. I always strap her in. I am in tune with dogs, and not very much with cats. I don't believe that a cheap dog means a bad dog. I have always had either free or cheap dogs. They have always been trainable and adorable.

If a dog is properly socialised it should be allowed off lead time. Prevention is better than cure.

"Free dogs" (a reference to rescues I assume) can be very rewarding but can also require work.

IMO "cheap" dogs are the ones sourced from puppy farms and sold from a car boot somewhere - will likely be riddled. I prefer the rescue route, but if you're gonna buy, at least buy from a reputable breeder. In my voluntary work, I've seen lots of people present with pups they bought from "some guy in cavan or wherever" - pup has parvo or some kind of genetic disease - and seller cannot be contacted.

edit:whats wrong with the quotes?? Mod note: fixed quotes for you too!

Rick14613

The quote box is okay, I'm new on here and must be a bit simple! It copied the quote but didn't highlight it and box it.

I have a rescue dog, she wasn't free although techically she could have been. They asked for a small donation if possible to cover the time she had been with the rescue place. I donated 15Euros.

I am talking about getting a dog to join my existing dog, but I would like a newish pup around 3 months ish for as cheap as possible. I have never had trouble with cheap dogs ever. I like to get the dog, and then I spend time and money on it. I would not be tight with vet visits, vaccinations etc. I am not concerned with the money side of things once I have the dog.

Forgot to answer your feedback about the dogs needing free time off the lead. I think that it is nice for them to run around a big garden if they ever get the chance. I do not agree that the dog should be off the lead in a public place ever. I know that they can get frightened or angry etc, and they will not always do as their told if they are reacting to a situation. There are always dogs with a good distance away from their owners as they can outrun them, even the smaller dogs. I believe that animals should always be kept on a leash in a public place and under control. It makes it much easier to bring your dog for a walk, especially around some huge dogs, or even smaller aggressive ones.

muddypaws

You donated €15 for a dog, wow, way to go, I bet the rescue centre were delighted,that made huge inroads into their food and vet bills. But I know, you were doing them a favour.

I think you will find it hard to get a pup from any rescue centre in Dublin with your attitude, so the only way you're going to get a cheap dog is from a puppy farmer, and as has been said over and over on here, best of luck getting a dog with no baggage from a puppy farmer.

Rick14613

You are mean! I like other people have had periods where I have had more money, and less money. I was doing them and the dog a favour by rehoming my rescue dog, and paying vet and food bills and caring for it forever more, which is the main thing

OldNotWIse

Rick14613 wrote: »

The quote box is okay, I'm new on here and must be a bit simple! It copied the quote but didn't highlight it and box it.

I have a rescue dog, she wasn't free although techically she could have been. They asked for a small donation if possible to cover the time she had been with the rescue place. I donated 15Euros.

I am talking about getting a dog to join my existing dog, but I would like a newish pup around 3 months ish for as cheap as possible. I have never had trouble with cheap dogs ever. I like to get the dog, and then I spend time and money on it. I would not be tight with vet visits, vaccinations etc. I am not concerned with the money side of things once I have the dog.

Forgot to answer your feedback about the dogs needing free time off the lead. I think that it is nice for them to run around a big garden if they ever get the chance. I do not agree that the dog should be off the lead in a public place ever. I know that they can get frightened or angry etc, and they will not always do as their told if they are reacting to a situation. There are always dogs with a good distance away from their owners as they can outrun them, even the smaller dogs. I believe that animals should always be kept on a leash in a public place and under control. It makes it much easier to bring your dog for a walk, especially around some huge dogs, or even smaller aggressive ones.

I find your incessant reference to "cheap dogs" quite irritating. I don't know why. Perhaps because mine was free - someone else's rubbish in fact, dumped by the side of the road...but she's certainly my treasure. Enough maudling.

Most rescues will ask for a donation to cover the cost of the dog but it in no way covers it! Dogs from rescues will likely be spayed/neutered, microchipped, vaccinated, wormed before you get them...and then there's the cost of actually housing, feeding, cleaning and walking them. Fifteen euro would barely cover chipping and a week's food.

You do realise there are specific parks/parts of parks where off lead is allowed? Why condem your dog to a life on the lead because it doesn't know how to behave? If your dog is properly socialised, it shouldn't fight with other dogs in the first place.

muddypaws

Rick14613 wrote: »

You are mean! I like other people have had periods where I have had more money, and less money. I was doing them and the dog a favour by rehoming my rescue dog, and paying vet and food bills and caring for it forever more, which is the main thing

I am mean? No, giving a rescue €15 for a dog is mean. I knew you'd say you were doing them a favour. The oldies really are the best.

What happens when the rescue has to stop taking dogs in because they've run out of money because they never get any donations that actually cover what they've spent out on dogs?

Rick14613

My dog was not neutered or microchipped. She had her vaccine but at the time wasn't as coverered as she could have been. You know the ways they used to have 3 and then they put 2 in one vaccine etc in later years. I went to the vet and got her a check up and her other vaccine of some sort, and kennel cough one also. She is my treasure - money doesn't buy better blood in my opinion as pedigree dogs can suffer from extended or closer relatives interbreeding.
I have her on an extendable lead which doesn't extend very far but far enough, and if I see any humans or animals coming closer I prefer to shorten the lead. She never growls or barks at people in public places, but she often does and often doesn't give a reaction when meeting other dogs. She is well used to socialising with other people and animals. She is getting on now, so she is not going to suddenly change her persona. She has always been disciplined and trained to do/ not to do things both in and outside etc.

loveisdivine

So lets get this straight, you want -

A "cheap dog" that is top quality
But not so cheap that its from a rescue and may have "issues"
You think a boisterous puppy will get on great with your older dog
But a rescue dog would be too stressful for it.
You dont have time for a rescue dog but you have plenty of time to train a puppy.

You seem to be a bit all over the place with what you really want. You need to think and long and hard about whats really important to you.

If your current dog is quite old and you are concerned about stressing her and/or having enough time for a puppy then why don't you let your current dog live out her days stress free and then think about getting a new dog once she's gone.

Rick14613

I do have time for a new dog. I do not want to undertake any baggage because it would mean having to provide more reassurance and wonder what the dog would be up to next etc. I know that I managed to do all that with my current rescue dog, and I know that having a puppy is the easier route. I would take a rescue dog again but not now. I think that having company will be great for my dog, and a new puppy in each other. I do not expect my dog to train the new one, and I can afford to train it and give it more company for the first few months. I do not think that all rescue dogs have baggage, but then how would I know until I've had them a while.
I do think that she would enjoy a new puppy as she is extremely agile, fast, jumpy etc, she loves to play and runs like a hare or a horse sometimes including the bounding jumps. She is the first one up on sunny mornings, and she often eats at midnite or 2am or for that again she could eat at 8pm. She is very very sad if she ever gets left alone in the house, but she never does anything other than nearly knock you off your feet if you are the first home. She gets lots of attention, and gives plenty.

Tranceypoo

loveisdivine wrote: »

So lets get this straight, you want -

A "cheap dog" that is top quality
But not so cheap that its from a rescue and may have "issues"
You think a boisterous puppy will get on great with your older dog
But a rescue dog would be too stressful for it.
You dont have time for a rescue dog but you have plenty of time to train a puppy.

You seem to be a bit all over the place with what you really want. You need to think and long and hard about whats really important to you.

If your current dog is quite old and you are concerned about stressing her and/or having enough time for a puppy then why don't you let your current dog live out her days stress free and then think about getting a new dog once she's gone.

Totally agree with this, I've been so confused reading your posts OP, you are a mass of contradictions in my opinion and what I really don't understand is why you want another dog at all, as above poster says why not just let your current dog live out her days stress free?

Rick14613

She is used to mixing with other people's puppies and having them stay over for a few days. She would be better off with a doggie friend staying permanently. Why do you think she will have terrible stress? She always sleeps in a seperate room, with a seperate bed, and the pups are not allowed past the kitchen. She has the run of the entire house, and if they won't leave her alone and she still wants to be in the kitchen we eventually put them in a pen, and then take them out when she goes off.

OldNotWIse

Rick14613 wrote: »

My dog was not neutered or microchipped. She had her vaccine but at the time wasn't as coverered as she could have been. You know the ways they used to have 3 and then they put 2 in one vaccine etc in later years. I went to the vet and got her a check up and her other vaccine of some sort, and kennel cough one also. She is my treasure - money doesn't buy better blood in my opinion as pedigree dogs can suffer from extended or closer relatives interbreeding.
I have her on an extendable lead which doesn't extend very far but far enough, and if I see any humans or animals coming closer I prefer to shorten the lead. She never growls or barks at people in public places, but she often does and often doesn't give a reaction when meeting other dogs. She is well used to socialising with other people and animals. She is getting on now, so she is not going to suddenly change her persona. She has always been disciplined and trained to do/ not to do things both in and outside etc.

They get one shot at 6-8 weeks (depending on vet), one two weeks later. After that the jury is still out on annual boosters. Some believe, some dont.Differing schools of thought re kennel vacc also. Only protects against certain strains, and a fairly mediocre success rate.

After that, I find the rest of your post a jumble of contradictions tbh.

Rick14613

The new puppy may at times annoy her, but it would behave better after about 4 to 6 weeks, and then they will probably not be able to live without each other

borderlinemeath

Rick14613 wrote: »

I do have time for a new dog. I do not want to undertake any baggage because it would mean having to provide more reassurance and wonder what the dog would be up to next etc.

Seriously, I don't think you realise that bringing up a puppy is very, very hard work! Far harder than training a rescue dog. There's fantastic family pets that end up in rescues through no fault of their own and the dogs that do need that bit of extra help and rehabilitation usually get it in foster homes before they're placed in forever homes and the forever home are told about any problems that may linger, ie a fear of children, or resource guarding food etc.

And please, rescue dogs don't have any more 'baggage' than a badly bred pup who was born in a shed and had no human or household interaction and is set up for life with a fear of everything it didn't encounter due to a bad breeder. And that is exactly what you get if you pay €50 for a pup.

I know that I managed to do all that with my current rescue dog, and I know that having a puppy is the easier route. I would take a rescue dog again but not now. I think that having company will be great for my dog, and a new puppy in each other. I do not expect my dog to train the new one, and I can afford to train it and give it more company for the first few months. I do not think that all rescue dogs have baggage, but then how would I know until I've had them a while.

Because any decent rescue would tell you about your new dogs personality. They don't just pick them up off the streets and ship them out, they're assessed with experienced fosters who inform the rescue of any behavioural issues the dog may have.

I do think that she would enjoy a new puppy as she is extremely agile, fast, jumpy etc, she loves to play and runs like a hare or a horse sometimes including the bounding jumps. She is the first one up on sunny mornings, and she often eats at midnite or 2am or for that again she could eat at 8pm. She is very very sad if she ever gets left alone in the house, but she never does anything other than nearly knock you off your feet if you are the first home. She gets lots of attention, and gives plenty.

She might well enjoy a new puppy, but she may not enjoy a badly bred, possibly resource guarding (food, people) pup who takes up all of your time and attention because you refused to go to a good breeder and get a well socialised and well adjusted puppy.

The new puppy may at times annoy her, but it would behave better after about 4 to 6 weeks, and then they will probably not be able to live without each other

Another assumption based on what experience? It takes a lot of time for an older dog to adjust to living with a new family member. Your dog may never take to the new puppy, they might not get on at all. If you don't go to a decent breeder that will take the pup back in the event that the two dogs don't get on, then your stuck with a puppy and a dog that don't get on.

People on this forum are trying to help guide you go the right way about getting a new dog, and yet you have these notions that you'll just pick up a pup for a few quid and everything will be just fine, no health problems, no behavioural problems, no adjustment issues, nothing. You need to take the blinkers off and listen to the advice given out. Or read about getting a new puppy here:

http://www.dogstardaily.com/

Rick14613

Breeders I've contacted seem to only have and know about pedigree JRT, which is ironic as they are frowned upon in the pedigree world. I know exactly what training a pup involves. I have trained them before, and trained my 1 year old which is supposed to be harder as they have lost interest somewhat in learning.

muddypaws

Rick14613 wrote: »

Breeders I've contacted seem to only have and know about pedigree JRT, which is ironic as they are frowned upon in the pedigree world. I know exactly what training a pup involves. I have trained them before, and trained my 1 year old which is supposed to be harder as they have lost interest somewhat in learning.

Now I think that you are a troll, I've been wondering since the beginning. What on earth do you mean that they are frowned upon in the pedigree world?

Of course breeders only know about pedigree JRTs, you want a JRT, that is a breed, so if people are breeding JRTs, they are pedigree dogs. Anything that isn't is a crossbreed, so is not a JRT, it would be a JRT cross.

andreac

What on earth do you mean they are frowned upon in the pedigree world?? Makes no sense whatsoever. JRT's are shown and exhibited as their own breed at dog shows and do very well, so you are talking complete nonsense when you say they are frowned upon.

Yes Troll comes to mind...

Tranceypoo

Rick14613 wrote: »

Breeders I've contacted seem to only have and know about pedigree JRT, which is ironic as they are frowned upon in the pedigree world. I know exactly what training a pup involves. I have trained them before, and trained my 1 year old which is supposed to be harder as they have lost interest somewhat in learning.

Pedigree JRT's are frowned upon in the pedigree world? Where are you getting your information from?!

OldNotWIse

Rick14613 wrote: »

Breeders I've contacted seem to only have and know about pedigree JRT, which is ironic as they are frowned upon in the pedigree world. I know exactly what training a pup involves. I have trained them before, and trained my 1 year old which is supposed to be harder as they have lost interest somewhat in learning.

(scratches head)


I wont be able to sleep tonight thinking about all the money-hungry, mutant-breeding beauty pageant saddos looking down on the poor Jack Russells

Afaik, enthusiasts are more than happy that JRT's have been left "outside" the ring, thereby preventing the intense interbreeding that goes on to emphasise certain breed specific points, making them "beautiful" but completely functionless as dogs. Heard of syringomyelia? Epilepsy? At least the kn*cker dogs are still genetically healthy!

I actually attended a show a while back (as a tag along) with my own rescue mutt and was pounced on by some weirdo woman saying how beautiful she was and did she have any babies for sale. I'm backing away from here mumbling about her being spayed etc and then she proclaims, "oh not to worry, she's not actually perfect anyway, sure she doesn't have Queen Anne legs!". Fuuck sake I resisted the urge to tell her that such "bow" legs are actually a genetic skeletal deformity called chondrodysplasia (faulty cartilage basically) and here is this silly old bat with her ham sandwiches and beer practically celebrating the condition. Sigh....

anniehoo

andreac wrote: »

What on earth do you mean they are frowned upon in the pedigree world??

My undestanding of this is as JRTs were not a recognised pedigree by the IKC up until a few years ago I believe, so may not have the same "status" if you like as other more well established pedigrees. Anyway, like rest of us I am beyond confused with the OPs posts so am just guessing and open to correction (by PM as thread is closed).

OP, I don't feel we can offer you anymore advice as your posts are quite difficult to decipher and make sense of. I am closing this thread for that reason and hope you find what you are looking for.