Does Dublin 15 need a big Tesco?

JupiterKid

I've noticed that posters in this forum often bemoan the existing Tesco store in Dublin 15 in Roselawn as being dated, too small and offering a limited range of goods.
Roselawn SC is coming up on 40 years and IMO looks every day of it.

Now that the Tesco Express store in Mulhuddart has closed and given that Dublin 15 now has a population of 100,000 - larger than Limerick - does the area require a large Tesco store?
I've heard that people are driving to the big Tesco in Maynooth and also to the one in Cabra to avail of the better range of stock offered in these stores.

On the other hand, Tesco is often accused of killing off smaller retailers when they open a large store in a given community.

What do Dublin 15 boardsies think?

January

Tesco Roselawn is definitely not big enough (car park wise and shop wise). We drive to the Finglas one. Would love if they opened an Extra store in D15!

eviltwin

January wrote: »

Tesco Roselawn is definitely not big enough (car park wise and shop wise). We drive to the Finglas one. Would love if they opened an Extra store in D15!

Ditto.

ciaran76

I goto Maynooth now and again especially if there is a petrol deal too.
I avoid Roselawn Tesco a best I can as the choice is not enough for me.

Toto Wolfcastle

Tesco Roselawn could be 10 times the size it is with a massive range of goods but if it was still as grim as it is now I still wouldn't go near it. A decent, well-stocked, well-staffed Tesco would do very well in D15. I go to Cabra. It's much nicer.

Zaph

If Tesco want to have a presence in the area it should be appropriate to the size of the market. The store in Roselawn is a joke. It's too small, poorly stocked, shabby and dated. Compare it to the new store in Cabra and it's clear that the residents of D15 are being short changed by the company. I'm not sure where a decent sized Tesco would go, but it amazes me that they haven't been more pro-active in trying to gain a greater share of the market in the area.

January

Zaph wrote: »

If Tesco want to have a presence in the area it should be appropriate to the size of the market. The store in Roselawn is a joke. It's too small, poorly stocked, shabby and dated. Compare it to the new store in Cabra and it's clear that the residents of D15 are being short changed by the company. I'm not sure where a decent sized Tesco would go, but it amazes me that they haven't been more pro-active in trying to gain a greater share of the market in the area.

I'm not sure why I think this but I think the only place for it would be up behind the graveyard in Mulhuddart, or possibly where the "retail park" near where the hotel in Tyrrelstown was supposed to go, not sure if that is still happening.

eviltwin

January wrote: »

I'm not sure why I think this but I think the only place for it would be up behind the graveyard in Mulhuddart, or possibly where the "retail park" near where the hotel in Tyrrelstown was supposed to go, not sure if that is still happening.

With the new link road there that would be a great spot

January

eviltwin wrote: »

With the new link road there that would be a great spot

I think it's only because we live near there though that we think that

athtrasna

Bobblehead Panda wrote: »

Tesco Roselawn could be 10 times the size it is with a massive range of goods but if it was still as grim as it is now I still wouldn't go near it. A decent, well-stocked, well-staffed Tesco would do very well in D15. I go to Cabra. It's much nicer.

Me too! If I go to Tesco it's Cabra, an altogether more pleasant experience with more friendly staff and a much better selection, almost everyone who uses the car park obeys the road markings too, a marked improvement on Roselawn. For local shopping I go to Superquinn if I need something that I'd forgotten.

wilford

The problem imo would be where to put it and getting planning permission if a site was found,how long were aldi trying to get a site until quite recently,another reason roselawn won't be going anywhere in a hurry is it's turnover,it's the best performing tesco for it's size in the uk and Ireland and has been for a long time.

jeffk

Id love a tesco extra just for the clothes section , cheap and fit the larger gentleman !

December2012

No need for me but I'm in Ongar and have Dunnes on my doorstep. I only use Tesco for online grocery shopping so it doesn't matter where it's located.

Polar101

Well, if I want to shop in Tesco I go to Maynooth or Cabra, never Roselawn. Would be nice if there was a Tesco in the Blanch Shopping Centre, but I guess that's not an option.

JoePie

Been going there since it was Crazy Prices. Or Quinnsworth. Can't remember. Never had an issue with it. I've never found anything in a bigger Tesco that I couldn't find in Roselawn, food wise anyway. I prefer to buy my TV's and clothes from TV and clothes shops.

Given that Maynooth, Finglas and Cabra aren't that far away, the shopping centre has two supermarkets, and there are any number of Lidl and Aldi stores in the area, I don't see why they would need to build a bigger Tesco. Not to mention, where would they put it? The current one sits in the middle of a thousand odd houses and has a school next door. There is no incentive whatsoever to build a new one on their part and I certainly don't think they need one.

My only issue is people walking across the car park with reckless abandon when I'm driving around it.

dmcg90

I'd love an extra near Ashtown.

Cathmandooo

dmcg90 wrote: »

I'd love an extra near Ashtown.

Does the massive Extra shop at Cabra 5 minutes drive from Ashtown not suffice? Oodles of buses go up and down the Navan Road from the Ashtown roundabout if you don't have a car and don't fancy the walk.

dmcg90

Really? I didn't know there was a Tesco there. I live halfway between Ashtown Station and Broombridge station so it'd be a bit of a journey but its good to know.

Cathmandooo

It's in behind Iceland and McDonalds at the big junction with the Old Cabra Road, New Cabra Road, Navan Road and Ratoath Road.

Toto Wolfcastle

Is the one in Cabra a Tesco Extra? I didn't realise it was.

ameee

Has the one in mulhuddart gone?

No Pants

JupiterKid wrote: »

On the other hand, Tesco is often accused of killing off smaller retailers when they open a large store in a given community.

I think that the average net cost of a supermarket in the UK is 240 jobs to the area.

Cathmandooo

Well it sells clothes, I always assumed the ones selling things other than groceries were 'Extra'. It's massive anyway

athtrasna

Bobblehead Panda wrote: »

Is the one in Cabra a Tesco Extra? I didn't realise it was.

No it's not. It's a superstore but not an Extra. Opening hours are crap though, closing at 10pm is ridiculously early!

Toto Wolfcastle

It's far better than some of the Extras I've been in. It's very well laid out.

athtrasna

Bobblehead Panda wrote: »

It's far better than some of the Extras I've been in. It's very well laid out.

It doesn't have a large enough selection of non grocery items to qualify as an extra. It still is my favourite of all of the Tescos in driving distance, just wish it opened til midnight

Toto Wolfcastle

Ah yeah, I know that, but even in the Extra stores I only ever go to the grocery section. I'd take a decent regular Tesco over an Extra. 10 does seem very early to close.

Larbre34

If I happen to be coming that way Ill go to Tesco at Dodsboro Lucan, which although not much bigger than Roselawn is quiet and well stocked, or Maynooth which is a breeze.

The problem of them having Dodsboro, Roselawn, Maynooth and Cabra would be that a new Extra store somewhere in Greater Blanch would seriously affect their own catchments. Not saying they shouldnt do it, but planning law would probabaly restrict them to locating in an existing retail park. Coolmine would be ideal if they closed Roselawn at the same time

dodzy

Cathmandooo wrote: »

Does the massive Extra shop at Cabra 5 minutes drive from Ashtown not suffice? Oodles of buses go up and down the Navan Road from the Ashtown roundabout if you don't have a car and don't fancy the walk.

Walk ? From Ashtown to the junction of the OC road :eek: and then pick up shopping for a walk back ? I dont think so.

ameee wrote: »

Has the one in mulhuddart gone?

Affirmative, yesterday was D-Day.

A V A

i think its a brilliant idea for this new bigger tesco.i can see how tesco is far to small for the people who have families etc and how they would benifit from a larger store, the tesco in roselawn is good for picking up last minute things or even picking the odd few things up in bulk but ass per saving ,your not really given that much to choose from. i know with my self i do end up spending more in the roselawn store due to the lack of product selection.lets just say i could end up buying a different brand name cooking sauce or what ever which is far more expensive, when i could be given a cheaper or possibly better option than the selection that is there. this kind of thing does add up when doing a shop in tesco and it would make a whole lot of a difference if there was room to be made for a further range of goods . the roselawn store is out dated just lik ethe whole roselawn shopping centre, sometimes i still think im walking into quinsworth :P

A V A

also meant to add ,why give cabra a tesco so large? considering that blanch a has a population of 100,000 ,give or take! is the cabra store there because its closer to town ?

5unflower

Personally I wouldn't see the need for a bigger Tesco in the area. The Roselawn shop is convenient, even in walking distance for me and while it might not be the huge, shiny superstore version available elsewhere, it never occured to me that the selection was in any way limited. Products that I can't get in this Tesco wouldn't be on the shelfs in a bigger Tesco either, as they are simply brands or specialist items Tesco doesn't stock. Regarding the competence and/or friendliness of staff, again this is something that would have never really occurred to me. Other than with the person at the till (from whom I would expect a basic level of general friendliness towards the customer and I can't remember ever not being served in a normal, friendly way) I usually don't have to interact with staff.

So for me it comes down to location, opening hours and quality of produce, which all are very good at the Tesco store in Roselawn. Also handy to have Gleeson's butcher right beside it, but again that's a totally personal preference and I suppose when it comes down to shopping habits it's really quite a subjective thing...

A V A

also tesco own all the units in the roselawn shopping centre

L1011

A V A wrote: »

also meant to add ,why give cabra a tesco so large? considering that blanch a has a population of 100,000 ,give or take! is the cabra store there because its closer to town ?

Because its a new build and they're generally built a hell of a lot bigger if the site supports it. Even if there's not much reason to - the one in Ballinamore in Leitrim (population 805) is bigger than Roselawn! I suspect Cabra does more than enough business though.

athtrasna

MYOB wrote: »

Because its a new build and they're generally built a hell of a lot bigger if the site supports it. Even if there's not much reason to - the one in Ballinamore in Leitrim (population 805) is bigger than Roselawn! I suspect Cabra does more than enough business though.

I thought it strange given the proximity of Tesco in the Park shopping centre beside Hanlon's corner. BUT I would imagine it gets a lot of passing traffic, I know I stop on the way home from work as do almost all of my colleagues who live out this direction. The Tesco in Stoneybatter, and the one in Phibsborough are even worse than Roselawn IMO.

Larbre34

MYOB wrote: »

Because its a new build and they're generally built a hell of a lot bigger if the site supports it. Even if there's not much reason to - the one in Ballinamore in Leitrim (population 805) is bigger than Roselawn! I suspect Cabra does more than enough business though.

Funny you say that, I was thinking there the other day that having been in the Cabra one at both peak and off peak periods, it never seems especially busy, and often very dead on a weeknight....

ongarboy

MYOB wrote: »

Because its a new build and they're generally built a hell of a lot bigger if the site supports it. Even if there's not much reason to - the one in Ballinamore in Leitrim (population 805) is bigger than Roselawn! I suspect Cabra does more than enough business though.

I think some of the large tracts of unused land in or around Tyrellstown or the approach roads of the N3 leading to it is the only suitable location for a major Tesco or Tesco Extra store in the D15 area. Anywhere else in D15 probably does not have significant unused space or land suitability for such a scheme. Either that or some of the unused lands around Ongar but with the new rail line along the unused lands in Ongar, I believe planning permission will only be allowed for high density residental development to assist in making the rail line more worthwhile.

The only other alternative is to remove the strip shops and pub in Roselawn (if Tesco already owns them) and expand the Tesco there. I think they did something similar in Dundalk where they bought out all the units of a dated shopping centre that they already were the anchor store in and demolished the entire structure to make way for an Extra store.

ThisRegard

There's going to be no additional Tesco in the area, you have Roselawn, Cabra, Phibsborough, Clearwater, Lucan, Maynooth and Clarehall all within a reasonable distance. If anything they'll revamp Roselawn but there won't be a new one.

January

ThisRegard wrote: »

There's going to be no additional Tesco in the area, you have Roselawn, Cabra, Phibsborough, Clearwater, Lucan, Maynooth and Clarehall all within a reasonable distance. If anything they'll revamp Roselawn but there won't be a new one.

I don't think you can say that with complete certainty though, the shop in Prussia Street is not a 5 minute drive from the new Cabra store, yet they went ahead and built that anyway, and afaik, Prussia St is still open too.

Sure if you were to say that you'd wonder why Lidl opened three stores so close to each other too.

ThisRegard

They're going through a phase of renewal I suppose you could call it as opposed to expansion. Lidl are now copying the model Tesco followed.

CrazyRabbit

I've a few problems with the Roselawn Tesco.

The first is that it can be very hit n' miss when it comes to certain items being in stock. You can go for weeks before you see certain items on the shelves.

Secondly, a significant amount of what they sell is as little too close to being past its sell-by-date for my liking. It's hard to do a weekly shop when so many things (which should last for 7-8 days) have to be used in 2-3 days.
Earlier last year I actually found lots of frozen foods that were out-of-date. Grabbed a manager nearby and he had the staff throw over 30 items out.

Thirdly, they actually stock too many varieties of certain things, and not enough varieties on others. I really don't need 4 different brands of salted peanuts.

So really, it's just stock management I have an issue with. Staff are nice and I don't care what the building looks like.

gurramok

I'm actually surprised at Roselawn due to its obvious size and catchment area. I never understood why Tesco did not have a large store like the Finglas one in the area.

I haven't been in the Cabra one but do Tesco honestly believe that customers will drive from Blanch\Ongar\Clonee just to shop there?!

The Finglas store is the best one, huge range of stock which is important. Why not for D15?

Lidl have 3 stores in D15 which is mad in itself. If they see potential with 3 stores, why not Tesco for a big store?

Justin10

gurramok wrote: »

Lidl have 3 stores in D15 which is mad in itself. If they see potential with 3 stores, why not Tesco for a big store?

You could say they have four if you include Clonee.

eviltwin

I can't stand Roselawn, its too small, horrible looking shop and just plain difficult to get to, its in a housing estate, you could be forgiven for not even knowing it exists. Right now I tend to use Cabra because I am in the area a lot, other than that I wouldn't bother. There is huge potential for a large Tesco in the area given the size of the population.

L1011

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

So really, it's just stock management I have an issue with.

Same issue seems to hit any of the second string sized stores near Dublin. Celbridge and Lucan are very poorly and inconsistently stocked, even though Celbridge is a full rebuild.

ongarboy

MYOB wrote: »

Same issue seems to hit any of the second string sized stores near Dublin. Celbridge and Lucan are very poorly and inconsistently stocked, even though Celbridge is a full rebuild.

Is this inconsistent stock just a Tesco issue as I only ever shop in Dunnes and never have this problem. Maybe if I shop late in the evening and some fruit/veg/bread is sold out but that is understandable for such perishable goods.

CrazyRabbit

ongarboy wrote: »

Is this inconsistent stock just a Tesco issue as I only ever shop in Dunnes and never have this problem. Maybe if I shop late in the evening and some fruit/veg/bread is sold out but that is understandable for such perishable goods.

Pretty sure it's a Tesco thing. Their branches in Ballyfermot & Phibsborough are the same.

Infrequent deliveries, stock spending too long in their distribution depot/in transit, and inconsistent availablility of goods.

annfield1978

the new tesco in newry with the parking underneath is the way to go for creating enough floor space

gurramok

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Infrequent deliveries, stock spending too long in their distribution depot/in transit, and inconsistent availablility of goods.

Good example i've discovered recently. Tesco Finglas(which is huge) has feck all selection of orange juice on their fridges. Head over to Tesco Omni, a whole line of the main fridge is dedicated to a range of orange juices, like an Aladdins cave!:) Doesn't make sense.

ThisRegard

It's down to the buying habits of the customers of each store. The Finglas regulars must not have much of a desire for orange juice so it's stocked accordingly, whereas the older people around Santry are probably afraid of rickets so overdose on the stuff !

78janette

i'm sad the tesco in mulhuddart is gone it was dead handy don't like the one in roselawn it is very dated and small I often travel to maynooth for the clothes part but hate the long drive haven't been to the one in cabra must check it out