owed money for sale of hay

yeller

Sold 120 square bales to a neighbour who lives a mile down the road from our farm year nearly 2 years ago.
Where i live now is 6 miles from the farm
I know the guy well and he is very well off and owns 300 acres and also has a very good well paid job and has 2 guys working full time for him on the farm.
Value of hay is €300 and to date I was promised cash would be dropped up and cheque would be sent etc but never got it.
2 Weeks ago i dropped down again and the wife answered the door ( he probably knew it was me and sent her out) and said he was away (even though his 2011 Rangerover was there) and she would get him to call me but again nothing.
He just avoids me...
Dont really want to fall out but he is financially so much better off than me and hate to be taken for a ride especially when i was straight with him and that money could be done with at the minute.
Have anyone on here been in a similar situation and if so what did you do

Marooned75

Your to soft hound the fcuker don't let him away with it.thats why he has the big jeep cause he probably pays no one.its the principal of it.

yeller

yeah I know now I was but it took 60 bales before and paid up and believed I would get it.
He avoids me when I call, now comes to the stage where the door is not been answered.
What can i do now or have i left it too late

td5man

Dug a tank out for a neighbour but wouldnt write an invoice for him until he paid me so he claimed that he dug the tank himself to get the grant .
After about a year of trying to get paid oh met his wife out walking with her nose in the air and asked her if there was any chance of getting paid, cheque arrived the next morning.
Would there be any chance of asking him for your money in public ?

Farmer Pudsey

If he goes to mass or out socially meet him and ask him for the money in a loud voice make sure if his wife is present and plenty of people are around call to his house looking for the money twice to three time a week tell his wife he has not contacted you if she says he will. Make sure to meet him in the co-op when other's are present. All you have to do is embarrass him enough.

If that will not work put a sign up on his land and in front of his house just stating that he owe's you for hay and how much no need to sign it.

mikemac1

He has a well paid job.

Maybe dress smart, call in and tell the receptionist that you are here to meet him.

She will call him to reception and you ask in a polite way about your outstanding business deal.

Be cool and quiet and then he can't tell you to feck off in reception as he is being watched.

Be sweet to the receptionist. This is nothing to do with her and you don't want a flaming row that may upset her.

Might be a daft plan, just my first reaction

yeller

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

If he goes to mass or out socially meet him and ask him for the money in a loud voice make sure if his wife is present and plenty of people are around call to his house looking for the money twice to three time a week tell his wife he has not contacted you if she says he will. Make sure to meet him in the co-op when other's are present. All you have to do is embarrass him enough.

If that will not work put a sign up on his land and in front of his house just stating that he owe's you for hay and how much no need to sign it.

nah never see him out and he does be away in Dublin alot.
Probably thinks little guys like me are no bodys and are there to be used..
When i call to the house they now wont answer the door.

yeller

I see now he has a brand new farm handler purchased...its alrite for some

Conmaicne Mara

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

If he goes to mass or out socially meet him and ask him for the money in a loud voice make sure if his wife is present and plenty of people are around call to his house looking for the money twice to three time a week tell his wife he has not contacted you if she says he will. Make sure to meet him in the co-op when other's are present. All you have to do is embarrass him enough.

If that will not work put a sign up on his land and in front of his house just stating that he owe's you for hay and how much no need to sign it.

Was just going to say that about public places, but since you don't meet him get a sign, also put up posters in your vehicles and let the world know.

ZETOR_IS_BETTER

If he is not answering his calls from you,
ring him from a buddies mobile or get a prepay sim and ring.

Worked recently for a friend. Was being given the run around (never answering calls or texts)and rang him from a strange number and yer man answered straight away.

I think yer mans reaction was 'caught by the balls'

whelan1

yeller wrote: »

I see now he has a brand new farm handler purchased...its alrite for some

doesnt mean its paid for

whelan1

ZETOR_IS_BETTER wrote: »

If he is not answering his calls from you,
ring him from a buddies mobile or get a prepay sim and ring.

Worked recently for a friend. Was being given the run around (never answering calls or texts)and rang him from a strange number and yer man answered straight away.

I think yer mans reaction was 'caught by the balls'

oh does this,uses my phone always works and he says the reaction is priceless....

flutered

send him the bill on a post card, not a letter, so everyone caan read it, also say further will be taken if he does not shell out, this has worked well for me a few times.

whelan1

put it on the parish bulletin:D

bob charles

ZETOR_IS_BETTER wrote: »

If he is not answering his calls from you,
ring him from a buddies mobile or get a prepay sim and ring.

Worked recently for a friend. Was being given the run around (never answering calls or texts)and rang him from a strange number and yer man answered straight away.

I think yer mans reaction was 'caught by the balls'

In all fairness who answers strange numbers, I certainly dont, leave a voice mail if your not happy and I will deal with it in time.

jp6470

If the bill is small.i forget about it.
Put slurry out for a man last year up the road,and has avoided me for ages.still does, never asked me since.has never came in of my gate,has never asked to borrow anything....great! and all it cost was a days work.
Seem him bogged recently,waved and drive on by.

ZETOR_IS_BETTER

bob charles wrote: »

In all fairness who answers strange numbers, I certainly dont, leave a voice mail if your not happy and I will deal with it in time.

You be surprised that a person would be more inclined to answer a number showing up than a private number.

I dont answer private numbers

whelan1

its the priciple of it, he knows he owes it, i wouldnt show my face in public if it was me... i remember babysitting for a mega rich guy up the road , he was recently seperated owned a big carpet shop network, babysat 7 nights in a row and never got a penny... now i know it wasnt megabucks but at 16 years of age you have plans for the money bollox... still grit my teeth when i see him

Conmaicne Mara

bob charles wrote: »

In all fairness who answers strange numbers, I certainly dont, leave a voice mail if your not happy and I will deal with it in time.

Same as that, best way in the world to get "caught out". Mind you, I don't owe anyone money either

REBEL COUNTY1

jp6470 wrote: »

If the bill is small.i forget about it.
Put slurry out for a man last year up the road,and has avoided me for ages.still does, never asked me since.has never came in of my gate,has never asked to borrow anything....great! and all it cost was a days work.
Seem him bogged recently,waved and drive on by.

+1 Best money you'll ever spend, jus make sure and let it be known to the world.

Timmaay

Had the totally oppose problem with about 20/30 round bales of hay we bought from a chap down the road, we'd agreed a price and all that, no mention of when exactually we'd pay him, but we both knew eachother so we didn't think much of it, we brought home the bales anyways, 1st load yourman was around, 2nd load he wasn't. That was a Friday evening, I think I was away up north that weekend, and obviously nobody had answered the phone at home, but come Sunday evening, I got 2/3 texts and missed calls off him, looking for his money!! I was bollox tired then and wasn't bothered calling him back then, next morning he rocks up to our door, my mother answered it, he quite abusively starts shouting at us that we had a deal and he hadn't been paid yet, and we were refusing to answer his calls! We got him his cheque straight away and he stormed off, not a thanks or anything! Needless to say we haven't dealt with him again!

jp6470

There is a story local here with a contractor calling quite often at a mans door asking for money.being took up for harassment and causing stress.lol

Stereomaniac

If someone wants you to do a job you should always look for the money up front, or 50% even.

bduffy

Stereomaniac wrote: »

If someone wants you to do a job you should always look for the money up front, or 50% even.

Anyone ever tried the Small Claims route? Might be easier for him to pay than waste a day waiting around to have a third party decide on it.

bob charles

love the way on here, everyone comes across as being so honest and trustworthy. Fat chance of that

Muckit

The quite way id always the best way. But be persistant. As someone else said annoy and hound the f**ker!! But don't let hm boil your blood. He owes you money and you deserve to get it. You shouldn't be emotionally put out as well as out of pocket. You'd want an oul lad like mine that is as good as retired and has feck all else better to do than to keep driving up to him every time he's off to town!! :pac:

So to summarise....Hound him, hound him, hound him.... but in a nice way. If he wants you to f**k off, let him pay you!

bob charles

Stereomaniac wrote: »

If someone wants you to do a job you should always look for the money up front, or 50% even.

You would be standing in the dole queue until hell freezes over around here if you adopted that policy

flat out !!

bob charles wrote: »

love the way on here, everyone comes across as being so honest and trustworthy. Fat chance of that

How much do u owe bob?

1chippy

This is regular thing in my job and most of the above is nonsence and when the chips were down and all the bravado gone how many here would follow up in the same circumstances. . .
You go gun ho at him you will get a bad name. you lye back and you will be a soft touch. I was away collecting today off a non payer and i sat outside his house for an hour or so until he got out of bed. i then went in had a cup of tea and chatted away till i got paid. The bull headed approach has never worked for me.
Let them know your not going to let it lye. and then ramp up the pressure gradually . Leave yourself with an opurtunity.

Guffy

Small claims court?

hoseman

It is over 2 years since you did not get paid,No doubt others have not been paid either since.Do you know of anyone else he owes money to?He has no intention of paying you.Either join up with someone he owes as well and approach him together.Did work here for a neighbour,cheque bounced,waited and waited always had the cheque with me,seen his wife having dinner with posh people walked over said afew words left cheque on table with letter from bank"Return to sender"got cash the following day.Took six months ,seen the look on her face was worth more the snotty cow.

bob charles

flat out !! wrote: »

How much do u owe bob?

allot, all within the terms I think, which I always find out before doing any kind of deal for inputs etc so there can be no misunderstanding. On saying that I have two creditors I said I would send the cheque this week. Looks like its going to be next week now , So im far from perfect

bob charles

Oh and I owe 2 contractors for what must be approaching 5 years with both. I have asked one on numerous times how much is the bill so I can give him a cheque and the response is - we will fix that there when we are quite in the backend:rolleyes: one is for a good few K and the other is in the hundreds and this fellow passes the house every few weeks. I offered to pay him the day he finished the job and havnt heard from him since. Mad altogether

bob charles

looking at it from the guy who's not paying perspective -

Do any of you lads realise the cost of running a Range Rover these days - cut the guy some slack as he has to drive around in the 11 reg model as he cant afford the 132 reg

Is it the Evoque or the sport model he has?

yeller

He was left most of the land and alot of money from 2 well off uncles so has no money worries thats for sure.
He has a policy that he wont lend out any tractors or machinery full stop so no hope of getting the farm handler,
I asked him to do some digging for me about 6 months ago (one of the workers drives his hitachi ex120) hoping to square things up but he said he was too busy... he knew he wouldnt get paid so was not going to do the work for nothing...

1chippy

The worst i had to do was call to a builders house when his father in laws wake was on. I arrived in my work clothes and left with a cheque. I can say though that i have been stung for a lot of money over the years and if i was able to call it all in i could buy a fairly reasonable amount of land. thats gone beyond collection now.

monkeysnapper

You really need to go around early in the morning , say about 8am , wait outside till you see him, then ask him if there's a problem paying you because you need money. If he says he has no money then say you need to take bales , like for like, if he says he will pay you then don't leave till he pays.

Bales
Money

bob charles

yeller wrote: »

he will have the last laugh

I dont believe that, have patients, but make it you business to collect eventually, wave at him and flash the lights when you meet him on the road. It will drive him nuts and he will think your a complete looney. there is no road that hasnt a turn

stock>

Folks it is very simple, you break the law you are wrong. Yes he hasn't paid but that is a civil matter, theft or damage is a criminal matter. Get convicted of a criminal act and it will follow you to the grave, the circumstances of why you broke the law won't appear on your record only the fact of your conviction.

Take him to the small claims court have the judgement published in Stubbs gazette or the local paper.
If that don't work repeat the process. eventually you will recoup the principle + interests + costs....................

bob charles

Considering it was bales of hay, and the guy didnt pay, say you turn up and repossess the goods are you within the law. Every invoice I get here on the back is clearly stated that - the title of the goods shall not pass until the goods are paid in full. presume this means the owner of the goods is the supplier until paid for. Now it would be hard for either party to prove if they were the same bales that were sold in the first place if it went to law

rs8

rule number 1 don't break the law by doing something stupid or damaging goods!

for about 2/3 weeks be on his tail, if hes at mass your in front of him, if hes at the pub so are you, if hes counting the cattle beep the horn and wave then land down to the house and demand your money.

if you could block him in away from home with tractor and trailer would be the best job

whelan1

gufc21 wrote: »

Small claims court?

how long would it take to settle and how much would it cost?

moy83

I wouldnt be getting doing anything too extreme or too public yet . But make it your business to get him face to face ( surely he must go to the shop or something when he is around ) and tell him that you are stuck for money and could badly do with the price of the bales . If you dont get something from him then I would make sure and ask the wife publicly . Unless she is a complete tinker that should shame her into making him pay so she wont get embarrassed again by you .
It happens me the odd time and I find the wife route will nearly always work if they have the money .

Was the hay good stuff or might he have thought its not worth paying for and doesnt want to say it to your face ? Either way he is a twonk for not coming to the door

dixiefly

He must have a regular time that he leaves for his normal job. Park outside his gate some morning and say you are here for your money. Don't let him out until he pays you. Also bring a friend along if you can to show you are serious and to give you some backup.

He must be a right a$$hole, left the farm so no borrowings. No excuse for not paying.

Corkbah

a lot of advice there which would only result in the OP getting into trouble.

ok... its €300 ... two years ago was when you should have been looking for the money and two years ago you should have had the backbone to make a stand.

I would say at this point ... either let it go and make sure you remind him if he ever talks to you again, for the sake of €300 its not worth wasting valuable time.....accept the loss and make a note of never doing work for him or anyone associated with him....until the debt is cleared.

I've had a similar situation recently - while I'm not a farmer its basically the same issue, a company owed me money and last december they were informed by email that if they didn't clear the 2012 debt they would be cut off from service...no response meant they were cut from the service...last week they phoned me asking why they didn't receive any pics (I work as a photographer) .... I told them they owed me about €1000 - I didn't have an exact figure but gave them a catalogue of slow/delayed payments as far back as 2008.

they haven't responded with any payment but they also didn't get what they wanted and are the only company whom the image is not made available to....its embarrassing for them because I'm not bothered by the lack of payment from one customer, they have responded by sending a photographer to my work and shadowing me ...but they don't have the connections in my area and are playing shadow and simply wasting money (which would be around €200 a day).

JustAThought

Nightmare. In ordinary life I've been owed a few times. & been strung along with excuses/lies from hard luck stories or people who just steal & take advantage as a way of life. You can be sure you're not the only person he's done it to.

He didn't seem to give a ***
So I would regularise it. Send him a registered letter with a note for the debt due . state that you are concerned that the bill is outstanding for X months, your repeated requests for payment have been ignored. Request payment in full by x date ( 2 weeks from date of letter) .

Send a copy to his wife who may well be powerless or just an equal skank. In it state slightly differently that if the debt owed is not paid further steps will be taken. An almost identical letter, just slightly different , as though you had added an extra line after printing the first one. Get her worried.

Sign it & send.

The small courts may help but I don't think so. What you are relying on is that he will think you mean to recover it & decide to pay. As he has never returned the goods, or complained that they were not fit for purpose in writing he has little return on that now .

Give him the two weeks & than another registered letter with same only mention that he has not replied to registered post & final request for overdue payment. . Make sure you put his name & address as recipient on it too clearly marked : TO.

After that you will have to decide whether you want to go further with it & try for interest & admin costs from the small claims - they won't entertain you without proof in writing which you need to set up by the registered letters.

What they will give you also is proof & ammunition in case you decide to do something else. They will also put the fear into himself, and his wife.

Is she in a club/society etc.

& where does he go be going to Dublin -maybe he's signing on weekly! I'd be checking that out & maybe taking a spin up the road behind him one day to see. There is someone he dosn't want to know that he is a thief & a cheat - tiu just need to establish who & where. Work. Family. Etc.

Have you googled & Facebooked & LinkedIn him/them ? You can post on people's walls publically too - if they have one. Dosn't need to be angry/liabilious - ' John I am waiting two years for psyment & I note you are not responding to calls or registered letters'. People won't do business with him. ( if he has another job) . If he dosn't & needs the hay he might be concerned about other farmers finding out & not selling to him either.

If you send the registered letters he can't deny he got them. You can then of course show them to other people -they are copies if your documents do no harm in that. You could, for example, send copies to key local business committees ( chambers of commerce, ag's, marts etc asking for advice from their experience on tackling the problem & what to do - of course they won't necessarily be able to help you but it will tell them & it will have consequences for him.

Which I think is what you would also like.

The government brought in a change of legislation to require 31 days for payment of invoices . You have sent him an invoice ? If not, send him a ' copy'.

Horace

Its you that will end up in court if you follow the advise of some of the folk on here as the fact that he owes you money doesn't give you the right to steal or damage his property neither does allow you to harass embarrass or bully his wife if should you end up in court im sure the folk that advised you to break the law will stand by you and pay for your legal team ect they also may have a quiet word with the judge on your behalf . I sent one of STUBSGAZETTE letters to a hardcore non payer a couple of weeks ago had a bank draft in the post from him 3 days later http://www.stubbsgazette.ie/demand_letters

Guffy

whelan1 wrote: »

how long would it take to settle and how much would it cost?

Not sure of exact cost but think its a fiver. Might be twenty. No need for solicitor, just have your case well laid out. Should be sorted on the day. He probably won't show up and will have a judgement entered into the records against him. Alternatively he'll pay up when he gets summons.

whelan1

other thing you could do is hand the debt to a debt collection agency, i dont know what percentage they take but they normally get the money

supersean1999

Best i heard was à Guy Who Agreed à Price for a long stone wall got paid half when he Had half Done. But no sign of the rest for a Few weeks . He called and Ya man told him he got enough and to go. That night he returned . With red paint. And wrote . This c*** does not pay . What ever paint .it was Ya man could not get it off. End result . Wall knocked. Timber fence up :-). As for the hay. U need to be there when he gets in and out of jeep. Or pub. Keep meeting him face to face. But iv a feeling only way is down the légal route . If u take some of the advice iv read here u will be on prison food pretty soon. :-)

Figerty

I heard of a silage contractor in Kerry that used to send the wife around with a baby in her arms to the 'difficult' accounts. Very hard to refuse a woman with a baby. The wife was apparently well able for this and willing.