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E liquid & Irish customs
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03-08-2013 12:32pm#1
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As it turned out I did ring customs & gave them the tracking No the china site sent me, they found the package but it was an mp3 player addressed to a different person at a different address
so I made a claim with paypal who refunded me from their own pocket:rolleyes: BTW the site was a sister site of tinydeal called cigabuy 0 -
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To to fair I had been ordering from tinydeal for ages with no problems, watches, android phones & e cig hardware all came within 15~20 days then they moved their e cig product sales to cigabuy & things went down hill
, anyway I have a stock of CE4s cartomizers & battery's to last me for a few years 0 -
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But you did however raise an interesting question... which is are the e-liquid I bought from stopsmoke actaully manufactured in china... and you know what... guiven the obnoxious twat I am... I 'll find out if thats the case... and I'll even come back and post my findings to you personally.
Thisis after all a matter of my health. I almost killed myself over 30 years of smoking cigarettes I'll be f*ck if i fall for that again.
First I'll ask them, next I'll ask them to demonstrate it.... then I'll ask them to prove they are an actual Irish manufacturer obeying Irish regulations on consumer products.. that is after all what they say and you would have a point if they are just relabelling stuff they import...
Since I have an account with them I can do that right now...although I doubt they are interested at almost 1am in the morning. But it would be very interesting I'll agree to find out if this is an Irish company selling Irish products or an Irish company selling relabelled products. or like VIPcigarettes at http://www.vipelectroniccigarette.ie btw
just a foreign company pretending to be Irish.... 0 -
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But you did however raise an interesting question... which is are the e-liquid I bought from stopsmoke actaully manufactured in china... and you know what... guiven the obnoxious twat I am... I 'll find out if thats the case... and I'll even come back and post my findings to you personally.
To be fair the majority of Nicotine Juice Globally is produced in Labs in China, some are FAR better than others.
I have visited some Ecig Factories including the Boge Labs in Shenzhen, and TBH the only place I've seen that was cleaner than Boge was Probably Intel! (I was not allowed in the clean rooms, but they have viewing areas) However their products are about Twice the price of the nearest competitor - they do things right. They are also the OEM for many Big Ecig brands which are exported to every country under the sun.
Some retailers and Small-fry ecig "brands" will always look to the cheaper chinese factory options rather than the best, both through misundertanding the product, trying to make a quick buck, not knowing the product properly and simply unwilling to do the reseach or put in the cash and hop on a plane. Most have never visited an ecig factory in their life and simply get samples posted to them and hope for the best when they make a big order.
To them every factory is the same (and they are in some of the photos! - literally
) so why would they spend more?
In many cases retailers get duped by Chinese Agents who send samples from factory A, and when paid send sub-standard products from factory B and pocket the rest of the $.
However you are right, Pure Nic Juice should NOT be cloudy, in fact any juice flavoured or Pure should not be cloudy unless there is some contaminant in the bottle, may be just Steam/Water from sterilizing, perhaps detergent or bad refining.
My Point is, there is nothing wrong with Chinese Juice, once the retailer has a reliable quality source.
However the whole "Made in xxx" thing is a little Grey Area. Do they mix their goods in house? Do they source the materials from another country ? If I buy widgets from China and assemble a product in Ireland, technically its made in Ireland right ?0 -
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was.deevey wrote: »To be fair the majority of Nicotine Juice Globally is produced in Labs in China, some are FAR better than others.
I have visited some Ecig Factories including the Boge Labs in Shenzhen, and TBH the only place I've seen that was cleaner than Boge was Probably Intel! (I was not allowed in the clean rooms, but they have viewing areas) However their products are about Twice the price of the nearest competitor - they do things right. They are also the OEM for many Big Ecig brands which are exported to every country under the sun.
Some retailers and Small-fry ecig "brands" will always look to the cheaper chinese factory options rather than the best, both through misunderstanding the product, trying to make a quick buck, not knowing the product properly and simply unwilling to do the research or put in the cash and hop on a plane. Most have never visited an ecig factory in their life and simply get samples posted to them and hope for the best when they make a big order.
To them every factory is the same (and they are in some of the photos! - literally ) so why would they spend more?
In many cases retailers get duped by Chinese Agents who send samples from factory A, and when paid send sub-standard products from factory B and pocket the rest of the $.
However you are right, Pure Nic Juice should NOT be cloudy, in fact any juice flavoured or Pure should not be cloudy unless there is some contaminant in the bottle, may be just Steam/Water from sterilizing, perhaps detergent or bad refining.
My Point is, there is nothing wrong with Chinese Juice, once the retailer has a reliable quality source.
However the whole "Made in xxx" thing is a little Grey Area. Do they mix their goods in house? Do they source the materials from another country ? If I buy widgets from China and assemble a product in Ireland, technically its made in Ireland right ?
Dunno but to be honest I got stuff on two occasions from china and literally I poured it down the toilet. It was very far from transparent. These days I buy from the UK or from Halo which I think is nice. But his whole thing came up cos I posted a link to a new Irish site I found that promised it was Irish e-liquid after I bought juice from them.
TBH I really don't care where the stuff originates from so long as its not horrible tasting muck that reminds me of week old chip fat! My experience starting off as a vaper was that from china I got either A. Ripped off. or B. Got seriously dodgy looking juice. Once bitten twice shy y'know.
Obviously I can't post the link of the Irish site as I did before (its up the top on a previous post) cos I got pulled up on that the last time by a moderator.
But those guys claim to be an actual Irish manufacturer producing from raw materials in Ireland. You would suppose they are at least, at the very least accountable for stuff they sell under Irish law and are confined under general consumer products laws until whatever regulation is on the cards comes in.
I had this review button thing you are allowed to fill in when you buy stuff from a site and asked them in that about their claim of being 'Irish' and got a response including another from them by email stating that they use Irish products including the PG/VG which is manufactured here in Ireland by a chemical company and sent send me the technical stuff relating to those.
They also admitted that some ingredients are sourced from other countries and gave me a list of those which was the bottles (hardly consumable) the caps (ditto) and in some cases they said they use fresh ingredients like coffee and orange and plums or whatever that are bought in Ireland but obviously we don't grow them here.
But I take your point. Is that an Irish manufacturer producing goods from Irish products or is it an Irish company just putting foreign stuff together here? I dunno, I suppose we'd have to expect that an Irish e-liquid company would come about at some point. TBH I'd sort of look on juice as a foodstuff so I'm not sure if you need a 'clean room' to manufacture it any more than say a drinks manufacturer (which is likely closer to the story).
I'd say its a small bottling operation that uses a clean environment, but not in isolated clean room with everyone kitted out in surgical clothes. For sure every bottle was certainly a different colour and absolutely clear in a glass bottle and they did spend a lot of effort on the packaging. Pl;us the bottle arrived capped in absolutely secure surgical caps... you know the sort you see in the movies where the doctor opens the top and puts the syringe into the cap, so the clues are there. Not seen those before and they were literally riveted onto the top of the bottle... it turns out there's a knack to opening them that I didn't realise until I nearly took my finger off. So long as they aren't producing out in the back garden and mixing it with fresh herbs coated in rat droppings. If they are they done the best job of fooling me cos the packaging must have cost more than the contents.
I suppose the only real way to find out would be to take the e-liquid I bought from stopsmoke and get someone to do some sort of analysis on it and compare that to the Chinese stuff. Thats not likely now cos I polished off the lot already. In final analysis I suppose that answers my own question... who cares it was nice juice good as any I got from the UK and some a lot better. Not as good as House of Liquid juice though.
It'd certainly stop all question of 'customs and excise' cos it is made here I suppose whether made of foreign bit and pieces or not. It also managed to arrive the next day. Inside 24 hours, its rare that vapemail works that fast. So a good stop if you want to totally avoid customs issues and are bloody desperate for juice.0 -
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Mr. Chrome wrote: »Actually you're probably right about the batteries if there was no warning.
I would still use them but keep my orders under 22euros. Free delivery! :-)
The stupid thing is I could have just probably made 5 or 6 small orders under 22euro amd even though I would have to wait for 5 or 6 packages all the hassle might be avoided!! Hopefully it will turn out ok
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