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E liquid & Irish customs

  • 03-08-2013 12:32pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭


    Hi, I ordered 2x100ml bottles of e-liquid from HK last July, the tracking No info says it arrived in Ireland on the 17th July to Dublin mail center & later the same day it was sent to customs, I did not receive delivery yet & the status is still unchanged (sent to customs on 17th July 2013), I have not been contacted by An Post or Customs so I intend to call them on tue next, the online store only sent me the tracking No 2 days ago so I was not aware the package was in Ireland since 17th July, anyone else have similar problems receiving e-liquid from international sellers?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭Vaperus


    They often dont contact you, you end up contacting them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭lensman


    Vaperus wrote: »
    They often dont contact you, you end up contacting them

    I'll be on to them next Tuesday, interested to hear what they say, total value was €12.60 & it's not a banned substance so whats their gripe,..might just be a F..k up :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 MickelRants


    There is no gripe... officially. But a certain amount of 'pressure' is being levied on customs officers to just make it plain unpleasant to buy e-liquid online. However you can always just totally bypass that problem and avoid the undoubtedly 'shady' degree of impurities in HK e-liquid by buying Irish e-liquid from an Irish store.

    I have no issues with anyone buying from abroad btw, that's not even my bag...bought a lot of stuff online myself over the years. But I wouldn't buy stuff I was going to consume from China man...thats just asking for trouble.

    Anyway look here's an Irish based e-liquid site, see -> http://stopsmoke.ie/ecig-shop/stopsmoke-e-liquid.html Not obviously as cheap as €12 for 200ml but having tried their e-liquid its simply better than that cloudy stuff you get from China. Not sure how e-liquid can be cloudy unless its got some sort of stuff in it that shouldn't be there anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭lensman


    As it turned out I did ring customs & gave them the tracking No the china site sent me, they found the package but it was an mp3 player addressed to a different person at a different address:confused: so I made a claim with paypal who refunded me from their own pocket:rolleyes: BTW the site was a sister site of tinydeal called cigabuy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 MickelRants


    Ohh cigabuy.... yeah had dealings with tiny deal... won't be having any more dealings with them...still wiating for atomisers to arrive 8 months after ordering. They rely on peple not knowing you can reclaim from paypal. When paypal have enough reclaims from them they will close their merchant account. They are a pack of scam artists.... BTW... now tjhat you seen what a pack of scam artists tinydeal are you can count your self lucky you didn't put any of that junk into your longs. If they will rip you off for a tenner I doubt your health is any of their concern


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭lensman


    To to fair I had been ordering from tinydeal for ages with no problems, watches, android phones & e cig hardware all came within 15~20 days then they moved their e cig product sales to cigabuy & things went down hill :(, anyway I have a stock of CE4s cartomizers & battery's to last me for a few years


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,035 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    But I wouldn't buy stuff I was going to consume from China man...thats just asking for trouble.

    Less of the xenophobia please it's well established by now that the big Chinese vendors manufacture this stuff in high tech labs at a standard as high as anywhere as far as I am aware. Buying from any vendor you don't know much about be they from China or Bally Beyond would always be at your own risk but then most will be simply re-selling the same stuff put together in those self same high tech labs so lets use evidence to cast aspersions against Chinese product rather than some kind of personal feeling about them.
    Anyway look here's an Irish based e-liquid site, see -> http://stopsmoke.ie/ecig-shop/stopsmoke-e-liquid.html Not obviously as cheap as €12 for 200ml but having tried their e-liquid its simply better than that cloudy stuff you get from China. Not sure how e-liquid can be cloudy unless its got some sort of stuff in it that shouldn't be there anyway.

    Please re-assure me here Mickel and tell me you have nothing to do with the above site because the general order of events in cases where vendors advertise here goes simply - permanent ban, black listed. There are many irish sites and they can be found on our list. All will be less value than bulk buying from China but all are just as worthy of consideration.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 MickelRants


    Well yes as I said I do have something to do with the site in the link....I'm a customer of that one and a few others...

    Will I have some nosey busybody question EVERY link I pst during a discussion on this fiorum...this is the internet after all... websites are pretty common on the internet.

    SO... no erm... you might have noticed I've made four ****ing posts on Boards.ie since I set the account up...so what do you think Sherlock? Am I a rampant commercialiser or would you say I actually give a ****!

    What I do give a **** about is peple pulling me up based on absolute tosh they pulled from the top of their head without even looking to their left and saying... 'jaysus this account is two years old and he makes one post ever year!"

    Talk about your paranoia! Jesus? Have the other 10,000 outgoing links and people discussing where and how they buy this and that escaped you attention or something?

    As someone that works in digital marketing the first thing I knows that anyone posting links on Boards are wasting their time from an SEO perspective anyway since all links are nofollow... so if I did work as some sort of seo person for stopsmoke or any other site I'd be a bloody gob****e, and if you look at the time I'd be working really bloody late too!

    The next thing you might notice is that in fairness the link was in context of the discussion.... ie. about buying from china, getting ripped off, and why not to do that! Or at least it was until you butted in with paranoid crazy accusations!

    Which now brings me onto the discussion... it is NOT xenophobic to question the quality of e-liquid from china, botswana or kells co. meath. In this case given that it arrives from sites like tinydeal and dealextreme and is cloudy... thats not xenophobic since as I mentioned myself I bought other goods from china...just not cloudy **** that should be transparent that I put into my body. Are you trying to tell me you find nothing wrong with that? Well good luck on that score I hear they have a special on with froxen pork bellys from Shenzen!

    PG and Glycerine and ALL constituent parts of e-liquid are certainly not opaque...so the question is...whats making the liquid cloudy. You can guess what that might be and your guess would be as good as mine...but e-liquid is not cloudy unless its got more than eliquid in it!

    What are you... the nonsense police or something? Anyway either ban the account for whatever reason your think, make one up if you like, you've already got a head start on that or kindly get lost and stop picking on random members of the public with stupid accusations.

    are we clear? I've read you TY&C btw... banning me for being rightfully annoyed at your stupid accusations is certainly NOT against the boards.ie T&C.

    I also notice you haven't pulled anyone else up for posting links relating to tinydeal ... should I accuse you afo protecting their interests?

    anyway hold on... just so I can be fair to all concerned...

    *snip* black listed sites removed

    Do I work for all those guys too?... fu*king hell I get around a bit! not a wonder I haven't got the time to post more than a few posts to boards.ie in more than a year!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,035 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    That's a no then. Fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 MickelRants


    hmmm... so you know the word thats in my head...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 MickelRants


    God your a bloody genius...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 MickelRants


    But you did however raise an interesting question... which is are the e-liquid I bought from stopsmoke actaully manufactured in china... and you know what... guiven the obnoxious twat I am... I 'll find out if thats the case... and I'll even come back and post my findings to you personally.


    Thisis after all a matter of my health. I almost killed myself over 30 years of smoking cigarettes I'll be f*ck if i fall for that again.

    First I'll ask them, next I'll ask them to demonstrate it.... then I'll ask them to prove they are an actual Irish manufacturer obeying Irish regulations on consumer products.. that is after all what they say and you would have a point if they are just relabelling stuff they import...

    Since I have an account with them I can do that right now...although I doubt they are interested at almost 1am in the morning. But it would be very interesting I'll agree to find out if this is an Irish company selling Irish products or an Irish company selling relabelled products. or like VIPcigarettes at http://www.vipelectroniccigarette.ie btw ;) just a foreign company pretending to be Irish....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭Mr. Chrome


    While were on the subject, have any of youse been caught for VAT. I ask because I got 64euros worth of stuff from fasttech, egos, a mech mod, dry herb vaporizer, etc. and the pricks at DMC sent me a letter asking for proof of purchase.

    I emailed my paypal receipt to them and the sent me a bill for E15 VAT and E6 postage that I had to pay the postie before he would hand them over.

    Im still happy though because of the amount of stuff I got for the price. Next time I'll keep my order under 22euro.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    hmmm... so you know the word thats in my head...

    Moderator?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭was.deevey


    But you did however raise an interesting question... which is are the e-liquid I bought from stopsmoke actaully manufactured in china... and you know what... guiven the obnoxious twat I am... I 'll find out if thats the case... and I'll even come back and post my findings to you personally.

    To be fair the majority of Nicotine Juice Globally is produced in Labs in China, some are FAR better than others.

    I have visited some Ecig Factories including the Boge Labs in Shenzhen, and TBH the only place I've seen that was cleaner than Boge was Probably Intel! (I was not allowed in the clean rooms, but they have viewing areas) However their products are about Twice the price of the nearest competitor - they do things right. They are also the OEM for many Big Ecig brands which are exported to every country under the sun.

    Some retailers and Small-fry ecig "brands" will always look to the cheaper chinese factory options rather than the best, both through misundertanding the product, trying to make a quick buck, not knowing the product properly and simply unwilling to do the reseach or put in the cash and hop on a plane. Most have never visited an ecig factory in their life and simply get samples posted to them and hope for the best when they make a big order.

    To them every factory is the same (and they are in some of the photos! - literally :p ) so why would they spend more?

    In many cases retailers get duped by Chinese Agents who send samples from factory A, and when paid send sub-standard products from factory B and pocket the rest of the $.

    However you are right, Pure Nic Juice should NOT be cloudy, in fact any juice flavoured or Pure should not be cloudy unless there is some contaminant in the bottle, may be just Steam/Water from sterilizing, perhaps detergent or bad refining.

    My Point is, there is nothing wrong with Chinese Juice, once the retailer has a reliable quality source.

    However the whole "Made in xxx" thing is a little Grey Area. Do they mix their goods in house? Do they source the materials from another country ? If I buy widgets from China and assemble a product in Ireland, technically its made in Ireland right ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭jakdublin


    I know you're no longer allowed post liquids abroad, but is it OK to receive it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 MickelRants


    Moderator?

    Nope that wasn't it... but since I've made about 10 posts on this site and this guy is following each of them around pulling me up on the slightest thing he thinks is an infraction of whatever interpretation of the rules passes for logic in his mind the word is more...erm... lets say choice...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭artyeva


    Nope that wasn't it... but since I've made about 10 posts on this site and this guy is following each of them around pulling me up on the slightest thing he thinks is an infraction of whatever interpretation of the rules passes for logic in his mind the word is more...erm... lets say choice...

    are you sure it's just pg/vg/nic yer vapin'?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 MickelRants


    was.deevey wrote: »
    To be fair the majority of Nicotine Juice Globally is produced in Labs in China, some are FAR better than others.

    I have visited some Ecig Factories including the Boge Labs in Shenzhen, and TBH the only place I've seen that was cleaner than Boge was Probably Intel! (I was not allowed in the clean rooms, but they have viewing areas) However their products are about Twice the price of the nearest competitor - they do things right. They are also the OEM for many Big Ecig brands which are exported to every country under the sun.

    Some retailers and Small-fry ecig "brands" will always look to the cheaper chinese factory options rather than the best, both through misunderstanding the product, trying to make a quick buck, not knowing the product properly and simply unwilling to do the research or put in the cash and hop on a plane. Most have never visited an ecig factory in their life and simply get samples posted to them and hope for the best when they make a big order.

    To them every factory is the same (and they are in some of the photos! - literally :p ) so why would they spend more?

    In many cases retailers get duped by Chinese Agents who send samples from factory A, and when paid send sub-standard products from factory B and pocket the rest of the $.

    However you are right, Pure Nic Juice should NOT be cloudy, in fact any juice flavoured or Pure should not be cloudy unless there is some contaminant in the bottle, may be just Steam/Water from sterilizing, perhaps detergent or bad refining.

    My Point is, there is nothing wrong with Chinese Juice, once the retailer has a reliable quality source.

    However the whole "Made in xxx" thing is a little Grey Area. Do they mix their goods in house? Do they source the materials from another country ? If I buy widgets from China and assemble a product in Ireland, technically its made in Ireland right ?

    Dunno but to be honest I got stuff on two occasions from china and literally I poured it down the toilet. It was very far from transparent. These days I buy from the UK or from Halo which I think is nice. But his whole thing came up cos I posted a link to a new Irish site I found that promised it was Irish e-liquid after I bought juice from them.

    TBH I really don't care where the stuff originates from so long as its not horrible tasting muck that reminds me of week old chip fat! My experience starting off as a vaper was that from china I got either A. Ripped off. or B. Got seriously dodgy looking juice. Once bitten twice shy y'know.

    Obviously I can't post the link of the Irish site as I did before (its up the top on a previous post) cos I got pulled up on that the last time by a moderator.

    But those guys claim to be an actual Irish manufacturer producing from raw materials in Ireland. You would suppose they are at least, at the very least accountable for stuff they sell under Irish law and are confined under general consumer products laws until whatever regulation is on the cards comes in.

    I had this review button thing you are allowed to fill in when you buy stuff from a site and asked them in that about their claim of being 'Irish' and got a response including another from them by email stating that they use Irish products including the PG/VG which is manufactured here in Ireland by a chemical company and sent send me the technical stuff relating to those.

    They also admitted that some ingredients are sourced from other countries and gave me a list of those which was the bottles (hardly consumable) the caps (ditto) and in some cases they said they use fresh ingredients like coffee and orange and plums or whatever that are bought in Ireland but obviously we don't grow them here.

    But I take your point. Is that an Irish manufacturer producing goods from Irish products or is it an Irish company just putting foreign stuff together here? I dunno, I suppose we'd have to expect that an Irish e-liquid company would come about at some point. TBH I'd sort of look on juice as a foodstuff so I'm not sure if you need a 'clean room' to manufacture it any more than say a drinks manufacturer (which is likely closer to the story).

    I'd say its a small bottling operation that uses a clean environment, but not in isolated clean room with everyone kitted out in surgical clothes. For sure every bottle was certainly a different colour and absolutely clear in a glass bottle and they did spend a lot of effort on the packaging. Pl;us the bottle arrived capped in absolutely secure surgical caps... you know the sort you see in the movies where the doctor opens the top and puts the syringe into the cap, so the clues are there. Not seen those before and they were literally riveted onto the top of the bottle... it turns out there's a knack to opening them that I didn't realise until I nearly took my finger off. So long as they aren't producing out in the back garden and mixing it with fresh herbs coated in rat droppings. If they are they done the best job of fooling me cos the packaging must have cost more than the contents.

    I suppose the only real way to find out would be to take the e-liquid I bought from stopsmoke and get someone to do some sort of analysis on it and compare that to the Chinese stuff. Thats not likely now cos I polished off the lot already. In final analysis I suppose that answers my own question... who cares it was nice juice good as any I got from the UK and some a lot better. Not as good as House of Liquid juice though.

    It'd certainly stop all question of 'customs and excise' cos it is made here I suppose whether made of foreign bit and pieces or not. It also managed to arrive the next day. Inside 24 hours, its rare that vapemail works that fast. So a good stop if you want to totally avoid customs issues and are bloody desperate for juice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭banger01


    MickelRants, You sure you have nothing more to do with this new Irsh site then being a satasifed customer?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭ParaHappyman


    Mr. Chrome wrote: »
    While were on the subject, have any of youse been caught for VAT. I ask because I got 64euros worth of stuff from fasttech, egos, a mech mod, dry herb vaporizer, etc. and the pricks at DMC sent me a letter asking for proof of purchase.

    I emailed my paypal receipt to them and the sent me a bill for E15 VAT and E6 postage that I had to pay the postie before he would hand them over.

    Im still happy though because of the amount of stuff I got for the price. Next time I'll keep my order under 22euro.
    I have been waiting for an order from fasttech for weeks and just tracked it today to find that it got to Dublin mail centre and is now with customs!! A few different bits and also 18650 batteries, it was an order double or more the price you paid for yours! Two questions, do you think I will get the order at all and is it inevitable that I will have to pay a load of VAT also?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,476 ✭✭✭Samba


    However you can always just totally bypass that problem and avoid the undoubtedly 'shady' degree of impurities in HK e-liquid by buying Irish e-liquid from an Irish store.

    Do you have any data to back up these claims, because frankly they are defamatory otherwise.

    I just finished writing something up that touches on this, the difference between premium and standard e-liquids that are produced in China.

    Swap US for Ireland, it's the same principal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭artyeva


    mickelrants has been banned so i guess we'll never find out.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,035 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    artyeva wrote: »
    mickelrants has been banned so i guess we'll never find out.

    Just a weeks ban but bear it in mind when asking him questions he can't currently answer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,476 ✭✭✭Samba


    artyeva wrote: »
    mickelrants has been banned so i guess we'll never find out.

    Missed that! Well hopefully he reads it, it might make him think twice before posting more baseless and defamatory lies on the interweb.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭Mr. Chrome


    I have been waiting for an order from fasttech for weeks and just tracked it today to find that it got to Dublin mail centre and is now with customs!! A few different bits and also 18650 batteries, it was an order double or more the price you paid for yours! Two questions, do you think I will get the order at all and is it inevitable that I will have to pay a load of VAT also?
    Unfortunately you will probably have to pay 23% VAT plus 6euro postage. Not sure about the batteries, they could be a problem. I know batteries won't be shipped from the UK by royal mail unless they are in a mod with one spare.
    DMC sent me a letter straight away telling me they had my package. You might want to contact them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭ParaHappyman


    Mr. Chrome wrote: »
    Unfortunately you will probably have to pay 23% VAT plus 6euro postage. Not sure about the batteries, they could be a problem. I know batteries won't be shipped from the UK by royal mail unless they are in a mod with one spare.
    DMC sent me a letter straight away telling me they had my package. You might want to contact them.
    Thanks for the reply, its annoying because none of my other orders from fasttech had any issues! I can't see how there will be an issue with the batteries though as I have seen nothing about it being a problem in Ireland so should be fine here although it is an issue in other countries! Ah well, will have to wait and see, probably have to pay the VAT ! It would make you wonder if it's worth the hassle and if maybe just better to order from Ireland! Thanks again, will let you know what happens!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭Mr. Chrome


    Actually you're probably right about the batteries if there was no warning.
    I would still use them but keep my orders under 22euros. Free delivery! :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭ParaHappyman


    Mr. Chrome wrote: »
    Actually you're probably right about the batteries if there was no warning.
    I would still use them but keep my orders under 22euros. Free delivery! :-)

    The stupid thing is I could have just probably made 5 or 6 small orders under 22euro amd even though I would have to wait for 5 or 6 packages all the hassle might be avoided!! Hopefully it will turn out ok :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭was.deevey


    Samba wrote: »
    Do you have any data to back up these claims, because frankly they are defamatory otherwise.

    I just finished writing something up that touches on this, the difference between premium and standard e-liquids that are produced in China.

    Swap US for Ireland, it's the same principal.

    Looks exactly like the factory I was in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 MickelRants


    Samba wrote: »
    Do you have any data to back up these claims, because frankly they are defamatory otherwise.

    I just finished writing something up that touches on this, the difference between premium and standard e-liquids that are produced in China.

    Swap US for Ireland, it's the same principal.

    Well if you are in the UK and buy from a UK site you have a comeback...regardless of the prioduct you buy... if you buy from an Irish site and are located in Ireland same thing... your consumer rights have an added bonus if both the trader and customer are covered under the same laws.

    I didn't defame anyone... I pointed out there is no comeback if you buy from a chinese website... and with a postage bill of twice the cost of the product to send good back I don't need data to back me up... the fact you can't post liquids to china from Ireland unless you use a carrier that accepts liquid is all I need!

    If you doubt that pop into a local post office and tell them you'd like to send 10ml of water to a friend in london and would like to know the postage rate...response 'sorry no liquids are allowed to be posted'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 MickelRants


    banger01 wrote: »
    MickelRants, You sure you have nothing more to do with this new Irsh site then being a satasifed customer?

    Just relaying a rather long and tiresome time I had on this site....

    which I then went off and took up with the vendor in question ....

    Who claim like wingnuts to be Irish.....

    To be honest I now doubt it.... not sure why....but if a company go on, and on on their website about how they are Irish through and through...and shout it from the rooftops you'd have to ask the obvious question ... WHY?

    Not that satisfied... decent juice, cheap price was all I was saying... plus as far as I know (at least when I bought) free delivery. [that might have changed...this was a few months back now]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 MickelRants


    Samba wrote: »
    Missed that! Well hopefully he reads it, it might make him think twice before posting more baseless and defamatory lies on the interweb.


    Like for instance?

    And also what on earth makes you think he....is a he?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 854 ✭✭✭wingnut32


    Just relaying a rather long and tiresome time I had on this site....

    which I then went off and took up with the vendor in question ....

    Who claim like wingnuts to be Irish.....


    To be honest I now doubt it.... not sure why....but if a company go on, and on on their website about how they are Irish through and through...and shout it from the rooftops you'd have to ask the obvious question ... WHY?

    Not that satisfied... decent juice, cheap price was all I was saying... plus as far as I know (at least when I bought) free delivery. [that might have changed...this was a few months back now]

    Please explain. In detail.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭csi vegas


    Hickory dickory dock. The mouse ran up the clock. The clock struck One, the mouse was gone, hickory dickory dock!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 813 ✭✭✭mrplop


    Just relaying a rather long and tiresome time I had on this site....

    which I then went off and took up with the vendor in question ....

    Who claim like wingnuts to be Irish.....

    To be honest I now doubt it.... not sure why....but if a company go on, and on on their website about how they are Irish through and through...and shout it from the rooftops you'd have to ask the obvious question ... WHY?

    Not that satisfied... decent juice, cheap price was all I was saying... plus as far as I know (at least when I bought) free delivery. [that might have changed...this was a few months back now]

    Well ESI is in Palmerstown and he makes Eliquid - so yes, his eliquid is Irish, anyone that says otherwise is either a troll or someone that needs to up their dose of Lithium - not that I'm aiming that at anyone specifically.

    Incidentally, the "cloudy" liquids that come from China are made in factories that most European producers could only dream of - Hangsen and Dekang have ALL the relevant certification to back the claim that they supply decent product.
    Don't like the Chinese stuff myself - but there's nothing wrong with it.

    As for that StopSmoke E-liquid;
    Their bottles don't appear to be child proof and the designs on their labeling are like sweety wrapper designs - the most immensely stupid and irresponsible thing I've seen in years.
    Nicotine is poison and should be treated as such - the person that decided to use those designs on the labels is a moron of the highest order.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭ben36


    mrplop wrote: »
    Well ESI is in Palmerstown and he makes Eliquid - so yes, his eliquid is Irish, anyone that says otherwise is either a troll or someone that needs to up their dose of Lithium - not that I'm aiming that at anyone specifically.

    Incidentally, the "cloudy" liquids that come from China are made in factories that most European producers could only dream of - Hangsen and Dekang have ALL the relevant certification to back the claim that they supply decent product.
    Don't like the Chinese stuff myself - but there's nothing wrong with it.

    As for that StopSmoke E-liquid;
    Their bottles don't appear to be child proof and the designs on their labeling are like sweety wrapper designs - the most immensely stupid and irresponsible thing I've seen in years.
    Nicotine is poison and should be treated as such - the person that decided to use those designs on the labels is a moron of the highest order.

    I agree 1000% regarding them stop smoke e-liquid bottles.It looks like the whole label and design is to appeal to children.Can't get my head around how he thought it was a good idea to base the labelling on a cartoon character.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭dball


    i agree 10000%


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 813 ✭✭✭mrplop


    ben36 wrote: »
    I agree 1000% regarding them stop smoke e-liquid bottles.It looks like the whole label and design is to appeal to children.Can't get my head around how he thought it was a good idea to base the labelling on a cartoon character.

    God forbid a child gets their hands on a bottle, takes a whiff and decides to neck it. The cartoon character is bad enough but the lack of a child safety feature is insane.

    If this ever happens a child could die and electronic cigarettes would disappear shortly thereafter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭Vaperus


    The only bottles I have seen of his are actually Vials not bottles You need a syringe to remove the liquid as the caps have a rubber membrane. I believe he is changing his bottles to child proof ones.
    Labels are another argument and I doubt they have been designed to attract children s attention


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 813 ✭✭✭mrplop


    Vaperus wrote: »
    The only bottles I have seen of his are actually Vials not bottles You need a syringe to remove the liquid as the caps have a rubber membrane. I believe he is changing his bottles to child proof ones.
    Labels are another argument and I doubt they have been designed to attract children s attention

    Of course they weren't designed to attract kids attention - that would be quite silly wouldn't it? At the same time a colouful bottle with a little cartoon character will attract a childs attention.

    Is the rubber membrane childproof? I doubt it.


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