Killarney Adventure Race 2013

kerry4sam

Good Evening All

After completing a personal challenge of Cycling the Ring of Kerry (180km) last month for the very first time; I have the itch to power onward and upward physically eventhough I still suffer with sciatica.

Looking at completing the Killarney Adventure Race as a complete newbie This coming week-end the organisers are holding work-shops for all levels in preparation and I'm lucky to have the day off so will attend. Will also be completing a 120km cycle the following day in North Kerry (all going well after this work-shop day).

The Cycling and Kayaking will be no bother for me personally; but the running is not a strong aspect for me, but I will make good time in the other aspects though, all going well in the interim

Would anyone else reading or lurking in here be attending or completing and would have any tips or advice they would like to share.

Many Thanks in advance,
kerry4sam

madcabbage

Here's a tip, don't do it! Kidding... Which course are you entering? Apparantly the 25K course is close to being fully booked according to the staff in the Outdoor shop.

kerry4sam

madcabbage wrote: »

Here's a tip, don't do it! Kidding... Which course are you entering? Apparantly the 25K course is close to being fully booked according to the staff in the Outdoor shop.

Was looking at the 25km as a newbie. Not registered yet, just waiting for this workshop this w/end to see how that goes and if my confidence can be increased somewhat in the interim

Thanks for your reply,

Good Luck to all participating at all levels!

Spins

This will be my first time doing the race, in fact doing any adventure race.
Will an old pair of runners do or should I invest in a pair of trail runners and if so, any recommendations? TBH I was thinking of investing in a pair anyway for casual wear but if I get to use them for what they're meant for, all the better...
I cycle and run already so have most of the gear required and have a small backpack that takes a platypus but is there anything else I should acquire?
Oh and as I'll be on a road bike, do I need to change to knobbly tyres or will the Gatorskins I have on do?
Do people use tribars?
Thanks for any replies or suggestions.

madcabbage

kerry4sam wrote: »

Was looking at the 25km as a newbie. Not registered yet, just waiting for this workshop this w/end to see how that goes and if my confidence can be increased somewhat in the interim

Thanks for your reply,

Good Luck to all participating at all levels!

Go away with your workshops, if you live in Killarney you've got the terrain around you to train in. That workshop isnt worth the money, better off training a few evening with other people you may know. Run around the national park, cycle Molls Gap (or try!! ) and hike a mountain every few weeks. You'll fly the 25K no problem.
Be sure to invest in decent runners if you do do it, trail runners being preferable.
And most importantly, go and enjoy it! No other place in the country better than Killarney for such an event.

Spins

madcabbage wrote: »

Be sure to invest in decent runners if you do do it, trail runners being preferable.

Can you recommend a pair or a brand?

stevire

I'd recommend these trail runners:
http://www.sportsdirect.com/new-balance-110-mens-trail-running-shoes-213080

No to the aero bars, road bike will be fine. A lot of the course is on a rocky path so not much room to overtake and you'd need to be ballsy to keep a good speed through some of the sections.

Great event all the same, well organised.

Nmccd

I am debating about doing the 57km route for the first time, I would agree about getting out and about locally, torc steps, torc mountain and the cardiac steps are great for training. The kayak is my worry, never been in one! Think I do it anyway, might take me all day but if I can survive the ROK surely I can do this, i have done the gap cycle, and torc mountain loads of times but throw in strikeen and a jog here and there and put them all together.....I don't know.
Has anybody tips on food for the day? What to bring and when to eat?

Tec Diver

I did the team 57k last year. I did the runs, Mate1 did the cycling and Mate2 did the shortened kayak.
I loved it and am not too disappointed that neither of them can make it this year, so I'll be doing it solo, possibly the 67k. The first run got pretty muddy in places, even though the weather was excellent. Not a big deal, but just letting you know.

underpants

Tec Diver, what's the track like for running in general?

I signed up for the 69km already and normally I run wearing vibrams. My training takes me along roads, dirt trails, gravel paths and forests. I don't have any issues with any so I don't expect any problems in Killarney with the terrain.

From last years photos, the worst looks like a fairly standard mountain trail.

madcabbage

If you live locally it's best to scope Strickeen to get a fair idea of what the terrain is like. If your good at the trail running, going up won't be much of a bother, it's coming back down is the mad part! :O Proper footwear is a must whatever you do!

Tec Diver

underpants wrote: »

Tec Diver, what's the track like for running in general?

I signed up for the 69km already and normally I run wearing vibrams. My training takes me along roads, dirt trails, gravel paths and forests. I don't have any issues with any so I don't expect any problems in Killarney with the terrain.

From last years photos, the worst looks like a fairly standard mountain trail.

Funny you should mention Vibrams, I did it last year in VFF KSO Treks with toe socks, no issues, loved it. Some of it is dirt track with stones, some has railway sleepers with chicken wire nailed to it, so you run them length-wise, and a lot is just grass/earth. As for food...well I'm gluten free and lowcarb/high fat, so unless you are on the same food plan then don't eat what I eat :-)

Nmccd

I am also coeliac so gluten free. I don't do gels...we i have never tried them, so I'm guessing to stock up on protein bars.? Any suggestions appreciated, I'm used to cycling long distances only with not trail runs included, any feed back on the training day held yesterday Saturday 10/08?

Ath trasna

Hi Folks, I'm signed up for the 57k route and this will be my first time doing an adventure race. Can anyone give me directions as to where the Strickeen run and Torc run start and go to as I'd like to have a look before the big day. Thanks..

stevire

Nmccd wrote: »

I am also coeliac so gluten free. I don't do gels...we i have never tried them, so I'm guessing to stock up on protein bars.? Any suggestions appreciated, I'm used to cycling long distances only with not trail runs included, any feed back on the training day held yesterday Saturday 10/08?

Chia gels might be worth a look?

http://blog.walkjogrun.net/2013/03/13/homemade-energy-gels-for-runners/

MrCreosote

Ath trasna wrote: »

Hi Folks, I'm signed up for the 57k route and this will be my first time doing an adventure race. Can anyone give me directions as to where the Strickeen run and Torc run start and go to as I'd like to have a look before the big day. Thanks..

For Strickeen- start at Kate Kearney's, follow the road uphill for about 6-700m, and just after it crests there's a mountain rescue sign on the right. A zig-zag track starts here and you can follow this until it stops on the bog on top- the end has a small cairn. From here you have the Reeks straight ahead, the bog leads on to Cnoc an Bhraca to the right, and Strickeen summit is to the left. There's a rougher track to the summit of Strickeen, it can be tricky to find the top of the zigzags on the way back so be careful! Not sure if the KAR goes to the very top from the map?

For Torc, either start at Muckross house and follow the signs for Torc Waterfall, or at the Waterfall carpark, run up the track to the waterfall and follow the track as it doubles back a bit and then heads steeply uphill (lots of steps) before meeting the Old Kenmare Road, turn right onto this, and follow it south until you come out onto open bogland. There's a cutting on the right about 500m along here where the sleeper track starts, and this is pretty easy to follow right to the top of Torc.

Both are super runs, well worth doing beforehand because you can find the steeper bits and the bits where you can unleash the fury a little bit. Very runnable and nothing technical to them, and great views from the tops. I always bring a jacket, and phone and tell someone where I'm gone in case of twisted ankle. Strickeen is a bit wet underfoot unless it's the drought of the century.

The worst bit of the whole route is the drag through the Black Valley after the turn off for Lord Brandon's. Terrible road, slightly uphill and usually into the wind...grim!

Spins

MrCreosote wrote: »

Strickeen is a bit wet underfoot unless it's the drought of the century.

After the dry summer we've had, if anyone's been up there recently, what are ground conditions like?

Also was looking at trail runners, does the course call for a more aggressive sole? For example, if I was buying Salomons, should I go for the Speedcross 3, which is described as a Mountain Trail Running Shoe over the XR Crossmax, which is described as a Door to Trail shoe?

former

It's always good to train on the course if you can.

However, it's also a good idea to try out other similar races to get used to the transitions, open mountain running, racing fior 4-5 hours etc.

I'd recommend the Achill ROAR. It's a cracking race and a great weekend away.

Tec Diver

Nmccd wrote: »

I am also coeliac so gluten free. I don't do gels...we i have never tried them, so I'm guessing to stock up on protein bars.? Any suggestions appreciated, I'm used to cycling long distances only with not trail runs included, any feed back on the training day held yesterday Saturday 10/08?

I use Maximuscle Promax Meal protein bars. They are low carb and not too expensive. I also eat almonds and walnuts on the bike, I take them in a small plastic sandwich bag in the cycle jersey. I'll have water in the camelbak on the day, haven't decided what to put in the bike's water bottle yet. Won't be a "sports drink" though as I don't eat/drink sugar either.

Ath trasna

Thanks a lot MrCreosote, hoping to get there next week for a look.

Can people tell me what they normally bring along for food/energy boost on the day? Which energy drinks work better in peoples opinions?

madcabbage

Ath trasna wrote: »

Can people tell me what they normally bring along for food/energy boost on the day? Which energy drinks work better in peoples opinions?

You'd want to be trying out different bars/gels because some can cut the stomach out of ya from what I've heard. Chain Reaction is doing good deals on High5 energy gear for about 8 quid roughly on sale.
Saying that, you can't beat the auld banana/ mars bar and water!

Spins

Spins wrote: »

After the dry summer we've had, if anyone's been up there recently, what are ground conditions like?

Also was looking at trail runners, does the course call for a more aggressive sole? For example, if I was buying Salomons, should I go for the Speedcross 3, which is described as a Mountain Trail Running Shoe over the XR Crossmax, which is described as a Door to Trail shoe?

BUMP!

Ath trasna

Yeah madcabbage, I think I'll stick with the auld banana and mars bars, won't be breaking any records anyway, will be just happy to complete.

SomeFool

Anyone know if I'll be ok on a road bike or should I use a cross or mtb?

kerry4sam

Best of Luck to all participating this year!

I've ruled myself out due to lack of confidence right now. Anywhoo, I went & bought myself a Garmin gadget device thingymagig to aid my Mountain Skills so shall focus on that and my cycling for now I think.

Thanks though to all thus far for the tips and advice in this thread.

Massive Support,
kerry4sam

madcabbage

kerry4sam wrote: »

Best of Luck to all participating this year!

I've ruled myself out due to lack of confidence right now. Anywhoo, I went & bought myself a Garmin gadget device thingymagig to aid my Mountain Skills so shall focus on that and my cycling for now I think.

Thanks though to all thus far for the tips and advice in this thread.

Massive Support,
kerry4sam

Where did ya buy the Garmin out of curiosity? And how much?

Tec Diver

SomeFool wrote: »

Anyone know if I'll be ok on a road bike or should I use a cross or mtb?

I only have a hybrid, but should be ok. My mate did the cycle stages on his road bike last year and didn't have any issues.

Ath trasna

Does the cycle route actually go through the gap of Dunloe? was up there yesterday and the road is pretty poor for the first 1 or 2 km, fairly cut up and pot holed.

Thanks MrCreosote your directions were spot on. I think I need to step up the training, went up the steps at Torc and nearly needed a ventilator afterwards.

MrCreosote

The cycle is up through the Gap- then through the Black Valley, to Moll's Gap and down the N71 to Muckross.

The surface in the Gap is a bit variable, but if you have the choice I'd definitely go for a road bike. I was up there in June and they've resurfaced the road for a stretch after the first bridge in the Gap- it's smoother than a German Autobahn now. Descent into the Black Valley is loose in places

Nmccd

I was up there Sunday last, boggy, wet and shoes got soaked! Great trek though!

Spins

MrCreosote wrote: »

The cycle is up through the Gap- then through the Black Valley, to Moll's Gap and down the N71 to Muckross.

Never cycled Molls Gap, how does it compare to say the Healy Pass or Sally Gap? Is Molls Gap the toughest climb on the course?

MrCreosote

It's not a difficult climb from the Black Valley, much easier than the Healy pass anyway.

The toughest parts of the cycle are a short bit in the Gap above the lakes- It's pretty steep (15% at steepist I'd say, but short)- and the drag through the second half of the Black Valley. Slightly uphill, bumpy road surface and exposed to the wind. You then hang a left for the climb to Moll's Gap which is only about 100m ascent in 1.5k and nowhere really steep.

Wonderful descent off Moll's Gap too.

madcabbage

Anybody try the King of the Steps/ King of the Gap challenge yet? Just did the front of Torc aka Cardiac Hill (I think!) for the first time tonight! Great training but my god it's a lung opener! :pac:

Ath trasna

Anyone know of any good areas to do a bit of hilly trail running in South Galway?

Spins

Another Question.
What do you do about shoes?
Do people wear their trail runners for the entire and put pedals with straps on their road bike
or
do people change from runners to bikes shoes then back to runners, all the time carrying the shoes they're not wearing in their backpack?

jos37

As regards to changing shoes from running-cycling etc. I would def be in favour of using the one pair (trail shoes) for the entire race. why carry the extra 'baggage' and time lost changing 3 times. just use pedals with baskets or normal pedals.

Fianna Fowl

Will the 67Km race sell out?

How late can you leave it

Doing WAR on the 14th and Sea2Summit in November and this looks like a great race

madcabbage

Fianna Fowl wrote: »

Will the 67Km race sell out?

How late can you leave it

Well I was on the phone to a few buddies who were entering there this evening and it looks like a good few waves are full for 67K and 57K routes. Better to get it in now then leave it cause you'll be left disappointed otherwise!

Tec Diver

Fianna Fowl wrote: »

Will the 67Km race sell out?

How late can you leave it

Doing WAR on the 14th and Sea2Summit in November and this looks like a great race

I booked the 67k last month, but I think it sold out with weeks to go last year.
I'm doing Powerscourt too, but p1ssed off that I have to get to Carrickmines to pick up the race pack Thursday or Friday!!
Not sure about Sea2Summit, might do...

Fianna Fowl

Tec Diver wrote: »

I booked the 67k last month, but I think it sold out with weeks to go last year.
I'm doing Powerscourt too, but p1ssed off that I have to get to Carrickmines to pick up the race pack Thursday or Friday!!
Not sure about Sea2Summit, might do...

Thanks, better make a decision soon so...

Having to go to Carrickmines is a pain in the ass, why they just cant post the numbers out to you and give you your goody bag after the race is beyond me.

The WAR races are very enjoyable

Tec Diver

Fianna Fowl wrote: »

Thanks, better make a decision soon so...

Having to go to Carrickmines is a pain in the ass, why they just cant post the numbers out to you and give you your goody bag after the race is beyond me.

The WAR races are very enjoyable

Just got an email back from the organizers, we can pick up the race packs on the day before 10:00

Eoin

William Gates

Does anybody have a discount code for Octobers Killarney adventure race?

Oryx

Moved from H&F to TDAR.

Sparkles2012

Do you have to bring a bag for the safety kit or can you just have them on you?

Also im doing the 27km would I manage without trail runners for that the only run on that route is the Torc Mountain Run - 8km

stevire

Sparkles2012 wrote: »

Do you have to bring a bag for the safety kit or can you just have them on you?

Also im doing the 27km would I manage without trail runners for that the only run on that route is the Torc Mountain Run - 8km

You can have the safety kit on you, I'd recommend trail runners for Torc. It's sleepers most of the way but some boggy ground along the route and sleepers can be seriously slippy if wet.

former

Registration is at the INCE Killarney. What and where is this?

madcabbage

former wrote: »

Registration is at the INCE Killarney. What and where is this?

It's part of the Gleneagle Hotel found out the Muckross Road, 5 minutes from the town center.

Sparkles2012

Sent you a PM

nok2008

Hi all

Doing my first adventure race in Killarney in a few weeks and just have a quick question in relation to gear.

I want to wear trail runners and then clip on bike shoes for the bike . Can I just leave the specific gear in the transition area rather than carrying the extra shoes in the bag. Not much room and don't want to carry more than I have to!

Thanks

madcabbage

nok2008 wrote: »

Hi all

Doing my first adventure race in Killarney in a few weeks and just have a quick question in relation to gear.

I want to wear trail runners and then clip on bike shoes for the bike . Can I just leave the specific gear in the transition area rather than carrying the extra shoes in the bag. Not much room and don't want to carry more than I have to!

Thanks

Id imagine you can but would you really wanna leave expensive cycling shoes lying around? Maybe if ya had a wire lock that you could use to secure them to the bike. So many people coming and going you wouldn't know if they would be swiped!!

Tec Diver

nok2008 wrote: »

Hi all

Doing my first adventure race in Killarney in a few weeks and just have a quick question in relation to gear.

I want to wear trail runners and then clip on bike shoes for the bike . Can I just leave the specific gear in the transition area rather than carrying the extra shoes in the bag. Not much room and don't want to carry more than I have to!

Thanks

You'll take more time changing into and out of runners. I don't think it's worth it. I did the Powerscourt AR on Saturday and most people used their trail runners for the cycling too.