Why Don't You Believe in God?

loonaric

Can I ask ye people, with great respect why don't ye believe in God what is YER proof, I will tell my side of it after ye tell me yers
Thanks

Sarky

Well I don't believe in God for the same reason I don't believe in elves, flying reindeer and a giant invisible teapot orbiting the sun between Mars and Jupiter. The total lack of proof FOR God is reason enough to discount his existence. The shoddily written Bible, the child abuse pandemic, the Magdalene Laundries and general hypocrisy of just about everyone who tries to claim he exists is just the cherry on top.

Your turn.

Frank Lee Midere

Passenger wrote: »

Protestantism has greatly increased in the predominantly Catholic Brazil in recent years too. Maybe people who once followed a strict religious lifestyle will eventually gravitate to more moderate alternatives in the future.

Except evangelical Protestantism is harsher than a la carte latino Catholicism.

loonaric

Sarky wrote: »

Well I don't believe in God for the same reason I don't believe in elves, flying reindeer and a giant invisible teapot orbiting the sun between Mars and Jupiter. The total lack of proof FOR God is reason enough to discount his existence. The shoddily written Bible, the child abuse pandemic, the Magdalene Laundries and general hypocrisy of just about everyone who tries to claim he exists is just the cherry on top.

Your turn.

I am not any heavy minder religious person who can back religion greatly but as far as I see there is tons of youtube videos that prove the existence of God, sure there is not lack of proof.
I was told by one of a person who studied religion very well that..
How can the universe create itself out of nothingness? Given the fact that the universe began to exist, it must have had a “cause” that originated it.Doesn't it make more sense to assume the existence of a Creation.
He also gave an example:
You can't see the wind, but you know it is there because you can see what the wind is doing. You can know that the wind is there because you can feel it.God is like the wind, you can't see him.
I saw it on one of the websites online aswell it is either he got the answer from there or there is another person who believes this.
Now the wind explanation fascinated me so much, I mean it is same as oxygen you breath it in everyday but you cannot see it, this does not mean oxygen does not exist.
Your turn
P.S. I know there is loads of athiest here, but please try not to gang up on me as there is only one of me and 100s of ye here, lol.
I only want this with Sarky;)

Sarky

None of those YouTube videos are correct. All based on flawed assumptions, misunderstandings of how physics/biology/chemistry/mathematics work, or more often outright lies. I can show you a video where Scarface is screaming "AH HEYOR LEAVE IH F*CKIN' OUUUH", but that's hardly proof that he actually spent the last few minutes of the film sounding like an old woman from Finglas.

The "something from nothing" argument breaks down as soon as you ask "What came before God?" As soon as you say God doesn't need a cause, you have something coming from nothing, which is a bit embarrassing when you're trying to use that logic to prove exactly the opposite. It makes far less sense to think "A magic man done it", to be perfectly honest.

You can see the wind. Not with crappy human eyes, due to a useful quirk of physics that ensures we can actually see where we're going, but that's why we designed clever cameras and sh*t that CAN. You can also weigh it, split it into its component gases, and split those gases into their component atoms. Well, the ones that aren't noble gases, anyway. God? Nope, rather less substantial than that, I'm afraid. Unless you've been keeping him in an airtight jar, perchance?

None of those arguments are very well thought out, unfortunately. Too reliant on pseudo-mystical wishful thinking and analogies that don't hold up after even a cursory scrutiny. Do you have anything that hasn't been done to death before?

loonaric

Sarky wrote: »

None of those YouTube videos are correct. All based on flawed assumptions, misunderstandings of how physics/biology/chemistry/mathematics work, or more often outright lies. I can show you a video where Scarface is screaming "AH HEYOR LEAVE IH F*CKIN' OUUUH", but that's hardly proof that he actually spent the last few minutes of the film sounding like an old woman from Finglas.

The "something from nothing" argument breaks down as soon as you ask "What came before God?" As soon as you say God doesn't need a cause, you have something coming from nothing, which is a bit embarrassing when you're trying to use that logic to prove exactly the opposite. It makes far less sense to think "A magic man done it", to be perfectly honest.

You can see the wind. Not with crappy human eyes, due to a useful quirk of physics that ensures we can actually see where we're going, but that's why we designed clever cameras and sh*t that CAN. You can also weigh it, split it into its component gases, and split those gases into their component molecules. Well, the ones that aren't noble gases, anyway. God? Nope, rather less substantial than that, I'm afraid. Unless you've been keeping him in an airtight jar, perchance?

None of those arguments are very well thought out, unfortunately. Too reliant on pseudo-mystical wishful thinking and analogies that don't hold up after even a cursory scrutiny. Do you have anything that hasn't been done to death before?

I repeat NOTHING can see wind, no cameras or anything
Show me proof that you can see wind as SEE, like I see you if I would meet you ??
You can feel it but cannot see it.

loonaric

If you are able tomorrow I will talk more about it as I have to get ready for work now,
Good conversation

loonaric

But just before I leave, I want to ask you something..
Do you believe in Stephen Hawkings theories ? (an athiest himself)
Do you believe in the evoloution theory ??

Hotblack Desiato

loonaric wrote: »

I am not any heavy minder religious person who can back religion greatly but as far as I see there is tons of youtube videos that prove the existence of God, sure there is not lack of proof.

Youtube videos you say... go on...

I was told by one of a person who studied religion very well that..
How can the universe create itself out of nothingness? Given the fact that the universe began to exist, it must have had a “cause” that originated it.Doesn't it make more sense to assume the existence of a Creation.

OK so what caused the origin of the universe? You say - god.
Most of us would say - dunno.
I'd say - if you say god, what created god?

You can't see the wind, but you know it is there because you can see what the wind is doing. You can know that the wind is there because you can feel it.God is like the wind, you can't see him.

This selective invisibility is rather convenient.
It seems that if only I'd lived in Palestine about 2000 years ago, there would have been plenty of visual evidence (I might have even got a free glass of wine, or fish sandwich out of it.)
Since then, not so much, and since the Renaissance and the birth of modern scentific method there is shag all. Odd that.

I saw it on one of the websites online aswell it is either he got the answer from there or there is another person who believes this.
Now the wind explanation fascinated me so much, I mean it is same as oxygen you breath it in everyday but you cannot see it, this does not mean oxygen does not exist.

I can't see it but I can easily demonstrate its existence.

Hotblack Desiato

loonaric wrote: »

But just before I leave, I want to ask you something..
Do you believe in Stephen Hawkings theories ? (an athiest himself)

Which ones? Please be as specific as possible.
(I particularly like his theory in relation to the evaporation of black holes. As in, it is a very interesting idea. It may be true, or not, I've no idea and there is as of yet no firm experimental proof. So, believe in that theory - no, but it may well be proven correct in time. Or not...)

Do you believe in the evoloution theory ??

That is like asking do I believe in the theory of gravitation.
I regard belief in evolution as a litmus test, personally, because the scientific evidence is so overwhelming and the only objections to it are religious in nature (and even then, a minority religious viewpoint.)

Sarky

loonaric wrote: »

I repeat NOTHING can see wind, no cameras or anything
Show me proof that you can see wind as SEE, like I see you if I would meet you ??
You can feel it but cannot see it.

Here's an infrared satellite view of the South Pole. Note the visible wind. No, it's not clouds. Not that clouds aren't part of the wind anyway. "Wind" is a pretty vague definition of anything, in any case. Not a great choice when you want to have a solid point.

And on this website you can see someone exactly the same way. No, it's not me, but I'm reliably informed that on the balance of probabilities, and having heard expert testimony from the midwife, I am most likely just as human as that guy, so I'd show up just the same on an infra red camera.

So, now that I've explained that you CAN in fact see the wind, is there any chance you could produce some God? Only a little bit, we don't need much.

Sarky

loonaric wrote: »

But just before I leave, I want to ask you something..
Do you believe in Stephen Hawkings theories ? (an athiest himself)

Not familiar with any of his recent work, so it'd be a bit silly of me to declare belief in something I haven't seen (ahem). Last time I checked in with Hawkings was when I read A Brief History of Time, and while I'm sure a fair bit of what he said has been tweaked since to allow for the discoveries that happened after he wrote it, I don't remember anything particularly fanciful in there. It was all grounded in solid mathematics and repeated, verified observation. So, eh, still doing rather a bit better than God on that front.

Do you believe in the evoloution theory ??

Don't have to. I'm a microbiologist, I see it in front of me almost daily. It's not something one believes in. It's something that's actually true, as countless studies have quite clearly shown.

recedite

loonaric wrote: »

there is tons of youtube videos that prove the existence of God, sure there is not lack of proof.
I was told by one of a person who studied religion very well that..

WTF! ....

loonaric wrote: »

I only want this with Sarky;)

Oooh... you lucky thing, Sarky.

Sarky

Oh don't let that stop you. I can only really talk about microbiology with any degree of authority, so if there's something anyone can add about physics, chemistry, psychology or whatever then feel free to mention it. It is, after all, a public discussion forum.

magicbastarder

loonaric wrote: »

I repeat NOTHING can see wind, no cameras or anything

you can smell wind, though. well, my wind, anyway.

georgieporgy

Have any of you sleuths seen a memory or an idea?

Sarky

Yup.

georgieporgy

I'm going to have to visit this forum more often. I've a feeling I'm going to learn a lot.

magicbastarder

wind is an incredibly silly example anyway, because it is clearly felt using other senses.

Sarky

Sarky wrote: »

Yup.

I should probably clarify.

You can't prove that I HAVEN'T. Therefore, I have. Isn't religious logic great?

kylith

georgieporgy wrote: »

Have any of you sleuths seen a memory or an idea?

Not just that, but they're working on a way of decoding them!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2094671/Mind-boggling-Science-creates-decode-thoughts-words.html

Isn't science great?!

Turtwig

New Thread created. Separated from Future of Religion.

Hotblack Desiato

recedite wrote: »

WTF! ....


Oooh... you lucky thing, Sarky.

Is this where we all stand up one by one and say

'I AM SARKY-ACUS'

For we are all just manifestations of the ever-growing Militant Atheist Hive-Mind, don'tcherknow.

So it really doesn't matter which one of us answers

magicbastarder

loonaric wrote: »

Can I ask ye people, with great respect why don't ye believe in God what is YER proof, I will tell my side of it after ye tell me yers
Thanks

i don't need proof not to believe in something. i need proof to believe in something. that might sound trivial, but it renders your question meaningless.

TheChizler

ninja900 wrote: »

For we are all just manifestations of the ever-growing Militant Atheist Hive-Mind, don'tcherknow.

I was just thinking that!

Zillah

You ever get that feeling where upon hearing someone's opinion you realise that you are going to have the lay the groundwork for the foundations for the understanding that will enable them to comprehend the argument that proves why they are wrong? And it's like looking at a very tall hill and you think "I just don't have the stamina to do this again..."

This thread, big time.

Michael Nugent

loonaric wrote: »

as far as I see there is tons of youtube videos that prove the existence of God, sure there is not lack of proof.

Can you post a link here to whichever of these videos most effectively proves the existence of a god?

TheChizler

Zillah wrote: »

This thread, big time.

It's ok! Michael's back!

bumper234

loonaric wrote: »

Can I ask ye people, with great respect why don't ye believe in God what is YER proof, I will tell my side of it after ye tell me yers
Thanks

Allowing you to post in the style of an 1700s pirate is proof enough for me that no god exists

alphamule

loonaric wrote: »

Can I ask ye people, with great respect why don't ye believe in God what is YER proof, I will tell my side of it after ye tell me yers
Thanks

The word YE makes my skin crawl.

Pherekydes

alphamule wrote: »

The word YE makes my skin crawl.

Yeah, the proper word is yizzers. :pac:

alphamule

Pherekydes wrote: »

Yeah, the proper word is yizzers. :pac:

I can live with yizzers.

The OP sounds like a squeaky farmer.

Geomy

Michael Nugent wrote: »

Can you post a link here to whichever of these videos most effectively proves the existence of a god?

Are you searching for God Michael ?

alphamule

The human condition invented God!

Go watch a nature programme or something about the Universe.

Plenty there to open your mind to the fact we are just another species of this planet!

Liamario

I am a prophet and I will prove it.
Before this thread is said and done, you will read every single possible argument for the existence of a god. All these arguments will be based on logical fallacies and denial of facts.
The discussion will eventually become circular and when the metaphorical dust has settled, nobody's position will have changed.

Michael Nugent

Geomy wrote: »

Are you searching for God Michael ?

'God Michael' sounds like one of the better gods.

Geomy

loonaric wrote: »

Can I ask ye people, with great respect why don't ye believe in God what is YER proof, I will tell my side of it after ye tell me yers
Thanks

You're in the right place to find out why some people believes there's no God...

If the going get s tough, remember the opposition are responding to the post and not the poster lol

Enjoy the debate...

You'll learn a lot :-)

uck51js9zml2yt

I believe in God. Leave out the abusers and the Catholic church- they don't have the monopoly on God nor represent Him.

Nobody has yet disproved Gods existence. It's not up to me to prove Him to you. I can tell you my story,my experience over 25 years. I'm older than that but I don't have to show you a scientific formula of proof.
Prove to me He doesn't exist.

Geomy

Michael Nugent wrote: »

'God Michael' sounds like one of the better gods.

:-)

Liamario

I'm disappointed that the OP disappeared after 2 posts. I am not as prophetic as I originally thought.

robindch

Moses Weak Soul wrote: »

Prove to me He doesn't exist.

Prove to everybody here that Zeus doesn't exist.

alphamule

Moses Weak Soul wrote: »

I believe in God. Leave out the abusers and the Catholic church- they don't have the monopoly on God nor represent Him.

Nobody has yet disproved Gods existence. It's not up to me to prove Him to you. I can tell you my story,my experience over 25 years. I'm older than that but I don't have to show you a scientific formula of proof.
Prove to me He doesn't exist.

Prove to me he does exist!

No wait, I dont care.

Science has done more for us than religion ever will! It has also explained much more about where we came from, plus it has backed it up!

If it works for you then great but dont force it upon others!

Bannasidhe

loonaric wrote: »

Can I ask ye people, with great respect why don't ye believe in God what is YER proof, I will tell my side of it after ye tell me yers
Thanks

bumper234 wrote: »

Allowing you to post in the style of an 1700s pirate is proof enough for me that no god exists

No, No - 1700's pirate (assuming they were English speaking ) would be more:

Pray may I be so bold as to inquire of ye, with divurse and greatest respect, the true cause of thine disbelief in the existence of God, I shall endeavour to present mine own side soonist thee hath declared thine.

Any 18th century pirate who came up with that sentence would have been laughed off the poop deck.

TheChizler

Moses Weak Soul wrote: »

Nobody has yet disproved Gods existence. It's not up to me to prove Him to you. I can tell you my story,my experience over 25 years. I'm older than that but I don't have to show you a scientific formula of proof.

You kinda do if you want others to believe you though.

endacl

loonaric wrote: »

I was told by one of a person who studied religion very well that..
How can the universe create itself out of nothingness? Given the fact that the universe began to exist, it must have had a “cause” that originated it.Doesn't it make more sense to assume the existence of a Creation.

No it doesn't. It just avoids the hassle of thinking about it. It's a lazy attitude to take.

If you're really interested in the question, give this a try. An interesting read.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1451624468

bumper234

Liamario wrote: »

I am a prophet and I will prove it.
Before this thread is said and done, you will read every single possible argument for the existence of a god. All these arguments will be based on logical fallacies and denial of facts.
The discussion will eventually become circular and when the metaphorical dust has settled, nobody's position will have changed.

I just looked out my hotel room window. No god....ah well maybe next year.

Bannasidhe

bumper234 wrote: »

I just looked out my hotel room window. No god....ah well maybe next year.

Did you pay the 'room with a view of God' supplement?

alphamule

loonaric wrote: »

I am not any heavy minder religious person who can back religion greatly but as far as I see there is tons of youtube videos that prove the existence of God, sure there is not lack of proof.
I was told by one of a person who studied religion very well that..
How can the universe create itself out of nothingness? Given the fact that the universe began to exist, it must have had a “cause” that originated it.Doesn't it make more sense to assume the existence of a Creation.
He also gave an example:
You can't see the wind, but you know it is there because you can see what the wind is doing. You can know that the wind is there because you can feel it.God is like the wind, you can't see him.
I saw it on one of the websites online aswell it is either he got the answer from there or there is another person who believes this.
Now the wind explanation fascinated me so much, I mean it is same as oxygen you breath it in everyday but you cannot see it, this does not mean oxygen does not exist.
Your turn
P.S. I know there is loads of athiest here, but please try not to gang up on me as there is only one of me and 100s of ye here, lol.
I only want this with Sarky;)

The Earth was flat not so long ago remember, and they chopped your blayden head of if you said otherwise.

We know very little about the universe! Sure we have only seen a tiny percentage of it.

Using youtube videos as proof of God made me think troll straight away.
But sadly I dont think this is true.
If you have offspring please dont educate them, Please!

endacl

Moses Weak Soul wrote: »

Prove to me He doesn't exist.

I'll show you evidence?

Q: You there god?

A:

The question has been asked for thousands of years, and always with the same response...

alphamule

I think the Catholic church alone is proof enough that he doesn't exist.

A pope with mistresses who goes around the world killing people. Not very christian, ha.

endacl

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Did you pay the 'room with a view of God' supplement?