Recommend a Linux Box

iba

Hi,

Okay time for a new box. Was hoping to buy the new VU+ Duo 2 but its too expensive so I was thinking about either the:

VU+ Duo @ €400
Gigablue Quad @ €310
Technomate TM - Twin @ €250
AN Other @ €

Any advice/suggestions would be welcome.

Regards

STB

Vu+Solo Orig £179 (about €205). Free Delivery.

http://www.sat-shop.co.uk/Digital-Receivers-VU+/c46_84/p715/Vu+-SOLO-Single-Tuner-HD-PVR-1-x-DVB-S/S2-Satellite-Receiver/product_info.html

Or

Vu+Uno CE $229 (about €172) incl delivery.

http://www.mixeshop.com/newest-model-vu-uno-high-definition-satellite-receiver_p1759.html

givecredit

iba wrote: »

Hi,

Okay time for a new box. Was hoping to buy the new VU+ Duo 2 but its too expensive so I was thinking about either the:

VU+ Duo @ €400
Gigablue Quad @ €310
Technomate TM - Twin @ €250
AN Other @ €

Any advice/suggestions would be welcome.

Regards

I have just "upgraded" from duo to quad and highly recommend the quad. OpenVix support the quad. You can get the Quad slightly cheaper than that. Try German stores. (Or maybe it has increased in price due to the availability of the new S2 tuners.)

iba

givecredit wrote: »

I have just "upgraded" from duo to quad and highly recommend the quad. OpenVix support the quad. You can get the Quad slightly cheaper than that. Try German stores. (Or maybe it has increased in price due to the availability of the new S2 tuners.)

Thanks for that.

In your opinion what makes the Quad better than the Duo please?

givecredit

iba wrote: »

Thanks for that.

In your opinion what makes the Quad better than the Duo please?

1. Speed. Chalk and cheese.
2. The ability to add two extra tuners, dtt or S2,
3. Runs quieter.

The main difference is the speed of the thing, Like bootup time, speed at running plugins like autobouquets, better at streaming, eg works well with ice films, The Picture in Picture works.

Dont get me wrong, The Duo is a great machine, I own 2 of them, But the quad is just that much faster. Less image support than duo, But Vix is enough for me.

If you prefer the duo, I will have a good 2nd hand one for sale! Bought Dec 2011, Remote never used. (I use harmony) With 320gb harddrive inside. As New, with origional packaging. Make me an offer!

iba

givecredit wrote: »

1. Speed. Chalk and cheese.
2. The ability to add two extra tuners, dtt or S2,
3. Runs quieter.

The main difference is the speed of the thing, Like bootup time, speed at running plugins like autobouquets, better at streaming, eg works well with ice films, The Picture in Picture works.

Dont get me wrong, The Duo is a great machine, I own 2 of them, But the quad is just that much faster. Less image support than duo, But Vix is enough for me.

If you prefer the duo, I will have a good 2nd hand one for sale! Bought Dec 2011, Remote never used. (I use harmony) With 320gb harddrive inside. As New, with origional packaging. Make me an offer!

Thanks very much for your detailed reply.

I'm so confused about what to get, the 3 that I mentioned and now the 2 that STB has recommended for me.

This would be my first Linux machine. At the moment I have an Ariva 120 and 250 and previously had a Humax.

BTW this box will be used with a 1.1m Triax with a motor but in years to come will be used for a multi-set-up system.

Actually Ill acttach a couple of pics of my current set-up.

Is the technomate a bad box then, its so much cheaper than the others.

I dont really ever record anything, so a Hard Drive is not important to me.

I also use Harmony - have 2 of them.

Regards

Iba

givecredit

iba wrote: »

I dont really ever record anything, so a Hard Drive is not important to me.


Iba

Then Id recommend the Vu Solo. Great little Machine.

snaps

Dont forget the Amiko Ailen triple and the Golden media spark triple. Big thread in the terrestrial section.

iba

givecredit wrote: »

Then Id recommend the Vu Solo. Great little Machine.

Does IPTV work with this?

iba

snaps wrote: »

Dont forget the Amiko Ailen triple and the Golden media spark triple. Big thread in the terrestrial section.

Thanks Snaps - now I have far too many options

white_westie

Also, look at the Xtrend range - have a 9000 (dual tuner/pvr) and a 5000 (single tuner).
Buy from Germany, prices generally good.

All run enigma2 based images.

givecredit

iba wrote: »

Does IPTV work with this?

Yes. With vix you get ondemand built in. Other IPTV plugins work too. Buy original. Stau clear of clones. Clones give u less options Firmware wise

swoofer

is there a good support site for the giga quad blue? and can you combine freesat and saorview epg's? whats the process for loading images, ccam, plugins, etc

It looks good but support seems to be lacking, whereas the vu+ is all over the place?

iba

snaps wrote: »

Dont forget the Amiko Ailen triple and the Golden media spark triple. Big thread in the terrestrial section.

From reading the below thread, they seem to be the same box:

http://www.digitalworldz.co.uk/353172-amiko-alien-2-vs.html

Going by this post on another forum, these boxes dont sound too hot:

'GM Triplex, Amiko Alien 2, IceCrypt S3700 are all the same boxes, The main boards are all made in the same factory by Fulan.

As i've said before and i'll say it again they will never work properly under Enigma 2. Somebody at Fulan made a major f**k up when they chose the chipset for that board. As for waiting for a decent image i think you may be waiting for a while. Give the PKT Hyperion image a whirl. Its super stable on my nBox 5800sx which is also SH4, although it uses a more stable cpu than the Alien 2/GM Triplex.

If Fulan would have used the same Chipset as they did in the Alien SHD-8900 they would have been onto a winner with it in my opinion. The SHD-8900 is a nice box which works well considering its not got a MIPS cpu. They really f**ked up when they chose the 7162 CPU.

I'm sorry that you got stuck with this box, its just a pity that all the retailers made a major shove to sell these boxes to the unsuspecting users out there who thought they were going to be good boxes. Unfortunately if you make a point at trying to spell this out on their forums you are met with a ban just like i was.

I hope you sort the problem out Bobbyduke, but to be honest if you want a stable box its got to MIPS based'

iba

Ok,

Im down to between these three:

Gigablue Quad at €290:

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Gigablue-HD-800-Quad-Twin-2x-DVB-S2-Hybrid-1-3Ghz-HDTV-Full-HD-IP-TV-HDMI-Hbb-TV-/170962237828?pt=Sat_Anlagen&hash=item27ce24b984

VU+ Solo Single at £179 but would like to find this 2nd hand at €125:

http://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/Vu-SOLO-Single-Tuner-HD-PVR-DVB-S2-Satellite-Receiver?filter_name=vu+%20solo

VU+ Duo at £249 but would like to find this 2nd hand at €200:

http://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/Vu-DUO-Twin-Tuner-HD-PVR-DVB-S2-Satellite-Receiver?filter_name=vu+%20solo

Decisions, decisions.

snaps

Also dont forget the old faithfull....Dreambox 800HD! Can be got very cheap now (Clone)

swoofer

where for the 800 cheap? can i fit a dtt tuner

iba

snaps wrote: »

Also dont forget the old faithfull....Dreambox 800HD! Can be got very cheap now (Clone)

I think I'm going to keep away from Clones

iba

Anyone got this box, whats it like, any good, pros/cons:

Giga Blue HD 800 UE Linux HDTV Sat Receiver LCD HDTV HDMI PVR USB Combo Optional

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Giga-Blue-HD-800-UE-Linux-HDTV-Sat-Receiver-LCD-HDTV-HDMI-PVR-USB-Combo-Optional-/181039559155?pt=DE_TV_Video_Audio_Sonstige&hash=item2a26cc71f3

listermint

Id never recommend the Amiko to anyone ever again. Got one for parents and couple of buddys have them. They are not stable.

I absolutely hate the unit.


I would recommend the Vu duo+. Pick up the previous model its cheaper.

Fresh Pots

listermint wrote: »

Id never recommend the Amiko to anyone ever again. Got one for parents and couple of buddys have them. They are not stable.

I absolutely hate the unit.


I would recommend the Vu duo+. Pick up the previous model its cheaper.

Depends what image you use. Some are glitchy and laggy as hell. Have you used any openAR images. They seem to be the most stable I have used.

iba

listermint wrote: »

Id never recommend the Amiko to anyone ever again. Got one for parents and couple of buddys have them. They are not stable.

I absolutely hate the unit.


I would recommend the Vu duo+. Pick up the previous model its cheaper.

Thanks for your input. Yes from other threads/forums that I read I've decided to rule the Amikos out.

If you see one of my previous posts I am thinking of the VU+ Duo if I could find it second hand for €200, the VU Solo second hand at €125 or the Gigablue Quad which I can only fid online new at about €300

The new VU+ Duo 2 is a bit too expensive for me.

Zardoz

TheTechGuy wrote: »

Depends what image you use. Some are glitchy and laggy as hell. Have you used any openAR images. They seem to be the most stable I have used.

New HDMU images and Hyperion 2 are very stable too but they still have slight quirks.

Going by this post on another forum, these boxes dont sound too hot:

lol,I know who made those comments and he sold his receiver last year when enigma 2 on it was brutal so his comments arent as appropriate now.

I have a Triplex as a second receiver and its very stable .

As the op isn't interested in recording though he doesn't really need a twin tuner receiver so I would rule the Triplex out .

A clone Dm800 would be a good enigma 2 box to start out on.
Nice boxes and very stable but a bit slow compared to the newer receivers .
Givecredit's Duo would be a good option too .

iba

Zardoz wrote: »

New HDMU images and Hyperion 2 are very stable too but they still have slight quirks.


lol,I know who made those comments and he sold his receiver last year when enigma 2 on it was brutal so his comments arent as appropriate now.

I have a Triplex as a second receiver and its very stable .

As the op isn't interested in recording though he doesn't really need a twin tuner receiver so I would rule the Triplex out .

A clone Dm800 would be a good enigma 2 box to start out on.
Nice boxes and very stable but a bit slow compared to the newer receivers .
Givecredit's Duo would be a good option too .

Thanks very much for your input Zardoz.

I still have not made up my mind - may well get the Duo or the Gigablue, rather than the solo - it may well all come down to price. I see second hand Duos for sale around the €200 mark whereas I can only find new solos at around €180 mark (I think) - so for the sake o €20 I'd get the Duo

I'm going to Poland next week, so I might see if prices there are a bit cheaper.

I'll have a google on the Dm800

I don't know so much about the image yet, but what I have read was leading me to lean towards the Vix Image.

iba

Found a gigablue Quad for €300 now - free shipping to belfast with parcel motel:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GiGaBlue-HD-800-Quad-Linux-Receiver-Satellte-Receiver-With-2-x-DVB-S2-Tuners-/171057364478?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Satellite_TV_Receivers&hash=item27d3d03dfe

Scratch that, this is even cheaper at €280:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GigaBlue-HD-800-Quad-Hybrid-HDTV-Linux-HbbTV-LAN-Receiver-Twin-Linux-E2-NEU-OVP-/251316657450?pt=Sat_Anlagen&hash=item3a83a3dd2a

iba

I know that this is probably annoying but I'm really thinking of getting this one now at £170:

GiGaBlue HD800 SE Digital Satellite Receiver Linux Enigma 2 Combo DVB-S/S2 + Hybrid DVB-C/T

http://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/Digital-Satellite-Receivers/Gigablue-HD-Linux-Enigma-2-Satellite-Receivers/GiGaBlue-HD-800-SE-HD800SE-Digital-Satellite-Receiver-Linux-Enigma-2-1x-DVB-S-S2-1x-DVB-C-T-COMBO

swoofer

iba, are you sure you want that one, it will have a twin tuner ie its in one piece, then the dtt tuner may not be suitable for saorview, i cant find specs. also a twin tuner is not liked by certain set ups and things may not work. have you found a good support site.

whats wrong with your fergusons?

Zardoz

iba wrote: »

I know that this is probably annoying but I'm really thinking of getting this one now at £170:

GiGaBlue HD800 SE Digital Satellite Receiver Linux Enigma 2 Combo DVB-S/S2 + Hybrid DVB-C/T

http://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/Digital-Satellite-Receivers/Gigablue-HD-Linux-Enigma-2-Satellite-Receivers/GiGaBlue-HD-800-SE-HD800SE-Digital-Satellite-Receiver-Linux-Enigma-2-1x-DVB-S-S2-1x-DVB-C-T-COMBO

That looks a fairly good deal and that receiver is supported by Vix I think,Open Vix images so it should be fairly good.
SalteeDog ,a user here has one so he could inform you as to its performance.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=81450121&postcount=4

sammyano

givecredit wrote: »

Yes. With vix you get ondemand built in. Other IPTV plugins work too. Buy original. Stau clear of clones. Clones give u less options Firmware wise

Hi, am using the iptv plugin, but just wondering - does it eat too much data, as am curious about the Internet data side of things, any ideas?
Cheers

iba

GBCULLEN wrote: »

iba, are you sure you want that one, it will have a twin tuner ie its in one piece, then the dtt tuner may not be suitable for saorview, i cant find specs. also a twin tuner is not liked by certain set ups and things may not work. have you found a good support site.

whats wrong with your fergusons?

No GB, Im not sure at all.

I thought this box had two tuners, one for Saorview and one for Sat. And I thought that each tuner is seperate.

I had the idea of using Vix with this box.

Nothing wrong with my Arivas as such (except setting DHCP on one with the new UPC router I got, but thats a different story) - I just need a 3rd box and thought I'd progress to a Linux one and step-up in terms of speed, apps and things it can run. And I'm tired of the way on the Arivas you have to do new channel lists everytime you you do a software update - I want to use bouquets and as far as I know there is none for the Arivas.

STB

iba wrote: »

No GB, Im not sure at all.

I thought this box had two tuners, one for Saorview and one for Sat. And I thought that each tuner is seperate.

I had the idea of using Vix with this box.

Nothing wrong with my Arivas as such (except setting DHCP on one with the new UPC router I got, but thats a different story) - I just need a 3rd box and thought I'd progress to a Linux one and step-up in terms of speed, apps and things it can run.

Check with user SalteeDog.

I posted about this box when it came out. I have it in my head that there were issues with this box, but that may be people comparing its speed with the VU+ range.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056548614

iba

STB wrote: »

Check with user SalteeDog.

I posted about this box when it came out. I have it in my head that there were issues with this box, but that may be people comparing its speed with the VU+ range.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056548614

Hi STB,

Yeah I read that thread earlier and I note you mentioned that this box had the same broadcom chip as the VU+ Solo - so I thought that that probably meant speed was about the same.

Secondly this is what Salteedog wrote (and bear in mind its 8 months old so software/drivers would I guess be better now):

@RURS. I find Vix on Gigablue to be very stable - more so on than on the Vu+ duo. Reason for that is that the inbuilt DVB-T tuner is inherently more stable than the extenal DVB-T USD stick I need to use for the Vu+.

Generally the only crashes I get are when I'm stressing the box by streaming from a remote drive over the network. My Gigablue is connected to a wireless bridge which I made using an old Linksys router running Open WRT.

@dazbaz. Yes all my channels (DVB-T and DVB-S) are mixed up together in a custom favourites bouquet in my EPG. Use dreamboxedit to set it up.

And third, and this part I could be wrong about, but I figured that the difference between this box and the VU+ Solo is that you can use this box for Saorview and Sat but the VU+ Solo only works with Sat.

So on that basis, being able to get Saorview, and the boxes being about the same price, that the gigablue is better.

But of course I could be way wide of the mark.

Cheers

STB

No you are not wide of the mark.

One of the biggest issues I have with using the Vu+Uno is that the dvb-t stick is not sensitive enough - it is not as stable as a fixed tuner. I am thinking of changing to one of these or something else myself.

At that price its pretty good. I have seen them in Germany without the DVB-T tuner module for €135. Given you can get the tuner module for €23 thats cheaper again although postage from Germany is possibly dearer.

iba

STB wrote: »

No you are not wide of the mark.

One of the biggest issues I have with using the Vu+Uno is that the dvb-t stick is not sensitive enough - it is not as stable as a fixed tuner. I am thinking of changing to one of these or something else myself.

At that price its pretty good. I have seen them in Germany without the DVB-T tuner module for €135. Given you can get the tuner module for €23 thats cheaper again although postage from Germany is possibly dearer.

And they have two types, one with an LCD front panel and one with a VTF (or something like that) (one called the UE and one called the SE) and the one with the VTF is about €20 cheaper than the LCD one.

And right now I actually only need the Sat tuner - but maybe later I will need the Terrestrial tuner - so I was thinking I could just get the one with sat tuner now and then buy the Terrestrial tuner later if needed. But as GBCullen mentioned earlier, and this part Im not sure about, are they two seperate Tuners or one tuner combined?

STB

iba wrote: »

And they have two types, one with an LCD front panel and one with a VTF (or something like that) (one called the UE and one called the SE) and the one with the VTF is about €20 cheaper than the LCD one.

And right now I actually only need the Sat tuner - but maybe later I will need the Terrestrial tuner - so I was thinking I could just get the one with sat tuner now and then buy the Terrestrial tuner later if needed. But as GBCullen mentioned earlier, and this part Im not sure about, are they two seperate Tuners or one tuner combined?

Yes, you got it right. The UE is the LCD. The SE, the non LCD. (be aware that world of sat are selling the SE!). You would really want to be getting the UE - €183 in Germany - postage extra.

But the DVB-T tuner module can be used in either.

Because the tuner is a module it can be added at any stage. You take off the lid and it slots onto the board.

The prices vary between 20-35 euro for this module. Sometime you will get a deal with it added when you buy the box.

iba

STB wrote: »

Yes, you got it right. The UE is the LCD. The SE, the non LCD. (be aware that world of sat are selling the SE!). You would really want to be getting the UE - €183 in Germany - postage extra.

But the DVB-T tuner module can be used in either.

Because the tuner is a module it can be added at any stage. You take off the lid and it slots onto the board.

The prices vary between 20-35 euro for this module. Sometime you will get a deal with it added when you buy the box.

I was thinking of going for the non-LCD model but I'll take your advice and now look at the LCD model.

Thanks for the link; hadn't come across that site yet in my searches.

But can you please just clarify that there are two seperate tuners a DVB-T and a DVB-S and not a DVB-S Tuner and a DVB-T tuner combined into one unit/tuner please? (I respect GBCullen's point/post above a lot too).

And to recap, I will be using this box on a motorised dish and I dont really ever record (but if I wanted too, I think on this box I can add an external hard drive?). And at the moment I will only have the Sat feed going into it, but maybe in the future I might have a terrestrial feed too. So, in your opinion do you think its a good idea for me to go for this box as compared to others mentioned in this thread?

Also, as I mentioned, going to Poland next week, so might be able to find one over there which will save me the shipping costs; fingers crossed.

The only thing I dont like about this box, as far as I can tell, is that it has a Scart connection - a personal pet hate; I think its so last century

Regards

white_westie

Might be useful for others looking for a linux stb

Table of hardware/software features for some of the linux boxes that can run the OE-Alliance images

http://wiki.et-view-support.com/index.php?title=Tabellarische_%C3%9Cbersicht_Hardware

ek9er

Have you checked out the venton unibox. I have the hd2 twin tuner with openvix and love it

STB

iba wrote: »

I was thinking of going for the non-LCD model but I'll take your advice and now look at the LCD model.

Thanks for the link; hadn't come across that site yet in my searches.

But can you please just clarify that there are two seperate tuners a DVB-T and a DVB-S and not a DVB-S Tuner and a DVB-T tuner combined into one unit/tuner please? (I respect GBCullen's point/post above a lot too).

And to recap, I will be using this box on a motorised dish and I dont really ever record (but if I wanted too, I think on this box I can add an external hard drive?). And at the moment I will only have the Sat feed going into it, but maybe in the future I might have a terrestrial feed too. So, in your opinion do you think its a good idea for me to go for this box as compared to others mentioned in this thread?

Also, as I mentioned, going to Poland next week, so might be able to find one over there which will save me the shipping costs; fingers crossed.

The only thing I dont like about this box, as far as I can tell, is that it has a Scart connection - a personal pet hate; I think its so last century

Regards

They sell the SE and UE boxes a few ways. This is because the tuners are interchangeable modules - they are sold by some retailers already fitted or just with a single dvb-s2 tuner.

You can have your own configuration. ie 2 DVB-S2 tuners or 1 DVB-T/C and 1 DVB-S2 tuner. The DVB-S2 and DVB-T/C tuners are not combined in one tuner module. They are seperate.

The DVB-T/C module is a hybrid that does both cable and terrestrial. The cable part is useless here in Ireland.

Example.

DVB-T/C Tuner Module


DVB-S2 Tuner Module



Back of 800UE (the port where the extra tuner that you decide will be housed is on the extreme left - the square bit pops out and the module is clicked into the board and through the gap now present)


The Venton Unibox2 is another option as they are cheaper, but you may find are less supported/less used at present by the major linux teams.

If buying a Linux box, make sure it is a Broadcom chipset (you will see references to MIPS). There are other Linux boxes that use ST chips which do not accept team Enigma 2 images like Vix/Blackhole as they are written for MIPS based chipsets. This is the problem with buying a GM Triplex/Amiko Alien 2 etc. They are ported versions of Enigma 2 and less supported.

GY A1

iba wrote: »

I was thinking of going for the non-LCD model but I'll take your advice and now look at the LCD model.

Thanks for the link; hadn't come across that site yet in my searches.

But can you please just clarify that there are two seperate tuners a DVB-T and a DVB-S and not a DVB-S Tuner and a DVB-T tuner combined into one unit/tuner please? (I respect GBCullen's point/post above a lot too).

And to recap, I will be using this box on a motorised dish and I dont really ever record (but if I wanted too, I think on this box I can add an external hard drive?). And at the moment I will only have the Sat feed going into it, but maybe in the future I might have a terrestrial feed too. So, in your opinion do you think its a good idea for me to go for this box as compared to others mentioned in this thread?

Also, as I mentioned, going to Poland next week, so might be able to find one over there which will save me the shipping costs; fingers crossed.

The only thing I dont like about this box, as far as I can tell, is that it has a Scart connection - a personal pet hate; I think its so last century

Regards

hi
got the giga blue 800 hd se for my brother a few months back,
has the sat and testerial tuner, working grand for saorview too,
not updated image or that in ages tho
think i got it for around E 180
nice and stable, just slow booting up

Irishmale0399

Have just been reading thru the thread. Am the proud owner of 2 Gigablue Quads (sold the old Dreambox 8000 after 18 months of ownership and got the 2 Quads and a few pints for my earnings) and a DM800 HD PVR(i will be applying for its pension soon, me old granny is faster).

Any of you using the opena.tv image on your linux boxes??? I have it on all now about 6 weeks & am really happy with the image. Its a German forum however they are very keen on helping English speakers.

sammyano

Yes, am using the openatv 3.0 on my azbox and it rocks with loads of plugins via Tspanel

iba

GY A1 wrote: »

hi
got the giga blue 800 hd se for my brother a few months back,
has the sat and testerial tuner, working grand for saorview too,
not updated image or that in ages tho
think i got it for around E 180
nice and stable, just slow booting up

Thanks for your input.

Can you post a link of from where you got it please?

Cheers

iba

ek9er wrote: »

Have you checked out the venton unibox. I have the hd2 twin tuner with openvix and love it

Thanks for your suggestion.

Irishmale0399

This is where i buy my stuff from. Its a German shop as you will see. They send everything with DHL (normally €10.90-14.90) and accept paypal or visa payment.
https://www.egesat.de/17-Sat-Receiver/?navigation=17&hersteller=108&sort=asc&auspraegung[4]=4_-1&x=29&y=7

GY A1

iba wrote: »

Thanks for your input.

Can you post a link of from where you got it please?

Cheers

got my se from satboxes ,
i see they just have the ue version now
i think the se and ue are the same apart from the lcd screen on the ue

iba

GY A1 wrote: »

got my se from satboxes ,
i see they just have the ue version now
i think the se and ue are the same apart from the lcd screen on the ue

Just checked them out. Nearly every box on their site is out of stock. The gigablue is more expensive than the German sites too. But the new VU Duo2 is cheaper:

http://www.satboxes.com/shop/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=2

Mr Guinness.

Can a hard drive be Fitted to the vu solo for Recording?

Zardoz

Mr Guinness. wrote: »

Can a hard drive be Fitted to the vu solo for Recording?

Only an external usb hard drive,no internal

Mike1961

givecredit wrote: »

1. Speed. Chalk and cheese.
2. The ability to add two extra tuners, dtt or S2,
3. Runs quieter.

The main difference is the speed of the thing, Like bootup time, speed at running plugins like autobouquets, better at streaming, eg works well with ice films, The Picture in Picture works.

Dont get me wrong, The Duo is a great machine, I own 2 of them, But the quad is just that much faster. Less image support than duo, But Vix is enough for me.

If you prefer the duo, I will have a good 2nd hand one for sale! Bought Dec 2011, Remote never used. (I use harmony) With 320gb harddrive inside. As New, with origional packaging. Make me an offer!

Is that 'good 2nd hand one' still for sale? I'll open the bidding @ 100 euro..:D