Pat McQuaid that famous Swiss/Moroccan/thai dude

RobFowl

Rule will be backdated if passed, nomination deadline extended; two new federations back McQuaid
In what appears to be an extraordinary attempt to shift the goalposts midway through the current contest, the Malaysian federation has proposed an amendment to Article 51 of the UCI constitution which seems to boost the chances of current president Pat McQuaid to be elected once again.

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/15115/Malaysian-federation-proposes-unprecedented-rule-change-which-could-assist-McQuaid-overcome-hurdle-to-re-election.aspx#ixzz2aTAL6j4D

bcmf

The guy just doesnt get it does he.

Eamonnator

bcmf wrote: »

The guy just doesnt get it does he.

On the contrary, I think, he "gets" it very well.

Weirdview

Scarleh for Pat ... Shameless

granda

desperate people do desperate things, but seriously do you really think that the malyasian federation came up with this themselves or was there a little/alot of whispering in certain ears

CheGuedara

Very much getting the Mugabe comparison now, though I suspect UN election inspectors might be better able to ensure a clean election in Zimbabwe than in Florence in September...

bcmf

granda wrote: »

desperate people do desperate things, but seriously do you really think that the malyasian federation came up with this themselves or was there a little/alot of whispering in certain ears

Tour of langkwai promised to be up to UCI 1 or something like that.

gordongekko

bcmf wrote: »

Tour of langkwai promised to be up to UCI 1 or something like that.

giro to start over there

Beasty

granda wrote: »

desperate people do desperate things, but seriously do you really think that the malyasian federation came up with this themselves or was there a little/alot of whispering in certain ears

Well according to the article he's joined both federations, so clearly has some involvement in this.

Alas democracy is one term McQuaid clearly does not get - I hope the CI Board members who supported him at every stage are starting to appreciate the levels this guy will stoop to in order to protect his current "lifestyle"

morana

Beasty wrote: »

Well according to the article he's joined both federations, so clearly has some involvement in this.

Alas democracy is one term McQuaid clearly does not get - I hope the CI Board members who supported him at every stage are starting to appreciate the levels this guy will stoop to in order to protect his current "lifestyle"

They got a link to the article in case they were in any doubt.

CheGuedara

Beasty wrote: »

Well according to the article he's joined both federations, so clearly has some involvement in this.

So now that he's (evidently) affiliated to Ireland, Switzerland, Morocco and Thailand that rule about only being affiliated to one federation in a calendar year and not being able to transfer between federations in a year must be gone waaaaay by the wayside. Federations licences - the new toptrumps/pokémon, collect em all!!

Beasty wrote: »

Alas democracy is one term McQuaid clearly does not get - I hope the CI Board members who supported him at every stage are starting to appreciate the levels this guy will stoop to in order to protect his current "lifestyle"

Spot on - this is the standard of ethics and calibre of individual they would prefer to see at the head of cycling. Not very sure what that says about those at the helm of our NGB.

morana

Will somebody join swiss cycling and see if they get a racing licence????

nilhg

Can you just imagine what Dermot Morgan would have done with this, Fr Ted isn't in it with our/Swiss/Thai/Moroccan Pat, the only thing is no one would believe it.

Beasty

CheGuedara wrote: »

So now that he's (evidently) affiliated to Ireland, Switzerland, Morocco and Thailand that rule about only being affiliated to one federation in a calendar year and not being able to transfer between federations in a year must be gone waaaaay by the wayside. Federations licences - the new toptrumps/pokémon, collect em all!!

It would appear rules are irrelevant in this particular circus

AnotherView

What can you say about Pat McQuiad and democracy that hasn't been said a million times about Robert Mugabe

detones

CheGuedara wrote: »

So now that he's (evidently) affiliated to Ireland, Switzerland, Morocco and Thailand . . . .

Padre Pio has nothing on Pat. Poor Saint Pio could only manage Bi-location where aul pat seems to manage quad-location with ease.

I for one welcome our new Insect overlords ;-)

el tel

Love the backdatedness of the propsed rule. He's certainly taking no chances with all these nominations. But it raises so many questions. I wonder what it would take a national federation to make these nominations? I image that's taken a lot of clandestine representations in hotel rooms. And all funded by whom? If I wanted to be UCI president but didn't have the money to put together a campaign like his, how many handjobs would I have to give out?

Lumen

Recipe for the day: Paddy Thai.

manwithaplan

I'm off to Pat's for one of his world famous Tagines followed by a porter-fuelled yodelling and anatomical ping pong session. Anyone care to join me?

feargale

Can this not be dealt with in the civil courts?

fishfoodie

detones wrote: »

Padre Pio has nothing on Pat. Poor Saint Pio could only manage Bi-location where aul pat seems to manage quad-location with ease.

I for one welcome our new Insect overlords ;-)

He's obviously aiming to secure the nomination of all the aligned National Federations; thereby stopping any more competition for the position :rolleyes:

Beasty

Thinking about this a bit more, of course Federations can put forward proposals to amend the UCI's constitution. A 2/3 vote is required to carry such a resolution - that's 114 out of the current memnership of (I think) 171 countries

In this case the votes of the likes of San Marino, East Timor, the Seychelles, St Lucia and Qatar carry as much weight as those of Russia, Australia, Egypt, the USA and India and indeed Ireland.

So which way will Cycling Ireland vote on this? They were given a clear mandate over the McQuaid's nomination requst, so surely they would not vote in favour of such a motion, would they??? (EGM alert!!:eek:) Scrub that - see morana's post below

I think however the backdating of this proposal to encompass the current election must be subject to potential legal challenge. They are technically changing the rules part way through an election, and one candidate (Cookson) has been campaigning oblivious to this change whilst another (McQuaid) seem to be at the center of it. I cannot see how this would stand up to legal scrutiny, either under Swiss law, or possibly under the CAS (if it has jurisdiction).

morana

Beasty wrote: »

Thinking about this a bit more, of course Federations can put forward proposals to amend the UCI's constitution. A 2/3 vote is required to carry such a resolution - that's 114 out of the current memnership of (I think) 171 countries

In this case the votes of the likes of San Marino, East Timor, the Seychelles, St Lucia and Qatar carry as much weight as those of Russia, Australia, Egypt, the USA and India and indeed Ireland.

So which way will Cycling Ireland vote on this? They were given a clear mandate over the McQuaid's nomination requst, so surely they would not vote in favour of such a motion, would they??? (EGM alert!!:eek:)

I think however the backdating of this proposal to encompass the current election must be subject to potential legal challenge. They are technically changing the rules part way through an election, and one candidate (Cookson) has been campaigning oblivious to this change whilst another (McQuaid) seem to be at the center of it. I cannot see how this would stand up to legal scrutiny, either under Swiss law, or possibly under the CAS (if it has jurisdiction).

I dont think that the total votes is as many as that! I can recall from my one and only time there that we were non-voting delegates and there didnt seem to be a huge amount who could vote. I am sure it wouldnt stand up to legal scrutiny but he must be scared that the swiss nomination will be ruled out of order.

At the UEC congress before the UCI the delegates in which Ireland does have a vote will be asked who they wish to support in the UCI election. I expect they will abstain from expressing a preference

Beasty

morana wrote: »

I dont think that the total votes is as many as that! I can recall from my one and only time there that we were non-voting delegates and there didnt seem to be a huge amount who could vote. I am sure it wouldnt stand up to legal scrutiny but he must be scared that the swiss nomination will be ruled out of order.

At the UEC congress before the UCI the delegates in which Ireland does have a vote will be asked who they wish to support in the UCI election. I expect they will abstain from expressing a preference

You're right morana - just checked again - thought for constitutional changes everyone got a vote, but it is based on the same 42 Continental votes

It does suggest he feels the Swiss nomination is unlikely to survive the court process if he has gone to such efforts to try and obtain an alternative one (which would appear almost as dodgy as the Swiss one)

thebionicdude

It'll be voted on by the 42 voting delegates at congress, the same congress and voters as who will vote on the next UCI President. Whether they receive a mandate from their confederations (and the individual feds that make up a Confed) is anyone's guess seeing as we prob won't know until the day who these 42 people will be.

Pat still needs 22 votes to win election, and another six to insure him from Swiss legal challenge. This would ensure that his nomination is valid technically as far as he is concerned ... whatever about ethically or legally etc.

I noted people on twitter wondering if proposal needed to be submitted 90 days in advance of congress to be valid.

Beasty

thebionicdude wrote: »

I noted people on twitter wondering if proposal needed to be submitted 90 days in advance of congress to be valid.

60 days for resolutions, which is why this has come out now (ie at the last minute)

90 days (or at least was until a couple of days ago!!) for Presidential nominations

thebionicdude

Looks like the Swiss decision should happen before Congress meets at worlds. Date of 22nd August mentioned here:
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/15116/Date-finalised-for-legal-hearing-determining-legitimacy-of-McQuaids-Swiss-backing.aspx

Quite the soap opera!

godtabh

Every dog on the street knows that McQuaids **** stinks but will federations acknowledge it in their vote? You have two candidates. One seems to offer a no bull**** approach. The other seems to be fixing the election with the aim of keeping his job rather than make cycling better. It would be clear to me which way to vote if I wanted cycling to move away from its scandal hit past.

Or am I dreaming?

Beasty

Beasty wrote: »

60 days for resolutions, which is why this has come out now (ie at the last minute)

90 days (or at least was until a couple of days ago!!) for Presidential nominations

Another correction from me!:o

This is the actual wording

A federation wishing to include one or more items in the agenda of the Congress, or to put a question to the Management Committee, shall submit its draft proposals stating the reasons on which they are based or the text of its question, in English or in French, to the registered office of the UCI at least ninety days before the date of the Congress.

So it is 90 days, which presumably means this was put forward by the 2 federations a month ago.

60 days is the limit for the UCI to circulate details of any such resolutions, which is why it came out now

buffalo

godtabh wrote: »

Every dog on the street knows that McQuaids **** stinks but will federations acknowledge it in their vote?

If his **** stinks, but he's still bringing ProTour/WorldTour races to your area... all politics is local in the end.

godtabh

Ah politics how much I dont understand you

RobFowl

Beasty wrote: »

Another correction from me!:o

This is the actual wording


So it is 90 days, which presumably means this was put forward by the 2 federations a month ago.

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I think Bertie has lost the title of being the most devious and cunning of them all..........

ThisRegard

RobFowl wrote: »

I think Bertie has lost the title of being the most devious and cunning of them all..........

He wasn't all that, a contaminated steak, really Bertie ?

check_six

Can we speculate what other rule changes may be in the pipeline?

Perhaps you are entitled to be nominated if you are already president of UCI? (bit obvious)

Perhaps you are only entitled to be nominated if your name is Pat? (improvement)

Perhaps you are only entitled to be nominated for president if your name is Pat, your centre of interest is shared equally between Switzerland, Thailand and Morrocco, but not Ireland any more because, sure, haven't you lived in Switzerland for years, which you forgot to mention when you desperately sought their nomination, and you are a brass necked shameless chancer? (a little extra finesse here and we could be on to a runner)

Don't forget to include some rules which exclude all the other runners too, just to be on the safe side!

Beasty

Cookson's retort

It is no wonder that many in the cycling family as well as fans and sponsors have lost faith in the UCI to govern ethically when the man at the top of the organisation is prepared to embarrass an entire sport in an attempt to try and cling onto power

doozerie

Proof, as if it were needed, that McQuaid has a neck like a jockey's bollox. That analogy could be extended to describe what nestles on top of that neck…

This farce made the news on RTE Radio 1 this morning, the reporter sounding a bit incredulous as he described it. So people in this country that never heard of the UCI before must now have a very bizarre impression of the body that claims to represent cyclists worldwide. Well done Panto Pat.

hardCopy

Pat McQuaid - Benevolent Administrator For Life

Eamonnator

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/15122/Pat-McQuaid-stands-behind-Malaysian-federations-attempt-to-change-UCI-election-process.aspx

This from Velonation.
Quote from PMcQ. "No one has changed the rules. No one has broken the rules"
and
"My membership of that federation(Morocco) goes back to early 2009"

aloyisious

Sink the UCI rules-change plot by National Federations/bodies threatening to resign their membership in opposition and setting-up a rival organization to the UCI. Get the respective National Govt's and the Sponsors of the TDF, the Giro and the Vuelta to withdraw recognition of the UCI. Ask the Olympic games federations to tell the UCI they will withdraw recognition and involvement with the UCI if it doesn't cancel the proposed rule-change.

If a person with the stature that Pat McQuaid think's he has, refuse's to acknowledge he's linked to what's wrong in the sport, then it's up to our Gov't to tell the UCI it will NOT give it or him any legitimacy or involvement in the sport here. After the drug-abuse story broke here a few years ago (after Ireland entertained a stage of the TDF here) our sports minister made clear what would have happened if the story had broken earlier. Do to Pat what was done to Bertie, give him the bum's rush he deserve's if he behave's like a dictator.

doozerie

"Democratic institutions become stronger by having leadership contests, not weaker, so I welcome anybody who wants to stand as a candidate…” McQuaid quotes from a recent Cookson statement. “Let's have the debate - it's good, it's healthy and that's how democracy should be. I'm quite happy to be the only challenger, or one of several challengers.”

If anyone ever writes a play about McQuaid's life it would have to have a panto theme, nothing else could possibly fit these last few years. I nominate Twink to play the part of Mcquaid himself, though she may have to ham it up more than usual to really convey his attitude and his, er, "dignity".

RobFowl

doozerie wrote: »

If anyone ever writes a play about McQuaid's life it would have to have a panto theme, nothing else could possibly fit these last few years. I nominate Twink to play the part of Mcquaid himself, though she may have to ham it up more than usual to really convey his attitude and his, er, "dignity".

Seeing as how he's Moroccan now the only one who could have done justice was

check_six

Eamonnator wrote: »

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/15122/Pat-McQuaid-stands-behind-Malaysian-federations-attempt-to-change-UCI-election-process.aspx

This from Velonation.
Quote from PMcQ. "No one has changed the rules. No one has broken the rules"
and
"My membership of that federation(Morocco) goes back to early 2009"

Well, if he had such close ties with the Morroccan Cycling federation for all this time, why, pray tell, did he not go to them first for his Presidential nomination?

I presume, if there is a problem with this route of sliding back into power, he will remember how he was a member of yet another federation, for even longer.

I just worry what inspired the Morroccan and Thai federations to back him at this juncture. On previous form, I would suspect vague promises of magic beans in the future, and thinly veiled threats to remove events/status.

CheGuedara

The best piece of advice for anyone getting the role of Pat in the upcoming panto-musical-tragedy of his life (and advice he clearly never recieved himself....)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAKG-kbKeIo

buffalo

Following on from the discussion of how many delegates will vote, etc., Inrng has this pleasing news:

If you find the idea frustrating, the good news is that it won’t happen. Any constitutional changes to the UCI require a two-thirds majority in the vote, as opposed to the simple majority to elect a candidate. The UCI Congress has 42 delegates and 14 of these sit under the European confederation who are supporting Cookson. 14/42 = 33% so all it takes is one other delegate to side with the Europeans and the plan is sunk.

RobFowl

buffalo wrote: »

Following on from the discussion of how many delegates will vote, etc., Inrng has this pleasing news:

A private vote from nominated delegates without a show of hands......

He obviously thinks he can swing this............

ratracer

I think Shane Stokes is gonna be on 2fm about this now.

Junior

This whole election fiasco just shows up as to how the UCI is run, Pat has ran screaming from one pile of poo to another one. For a man we suspect rivals CJ Haughey for political nous and ability to save his own skin, he has shown a complete lack of management ability.

He knew the Irish nomination was in the balance, yet didn't bother his arse pressing the flesh over here, his old club weren't even registered in time to vote. Running from that pile of poo he went to the Swiss Federation, and not learning anything from what happened in Ireland, he didn't bother to tie up the nomination correctly and is now mired in a court case there.

Now with the walls closing in on him, he creates this pile of steaming poo ? As someone at the AGM described him, he is reactive, he changes the narrative every time he's asked something and the goalposts have moved so often he's no idea where they are anymore.

He has never managed to get in front of this thing, show some semblance of management ability to secure his own f*ckin job without ****ing it royally up, how in god's name does he expect to run the UCI when he can't even do this correctly..

morana

So sit back and enjoy the fact that you the members of Cycling Ireland said "you arent good enough for our endorsement"

RobFowl

morana wrote: »

So sit back and enjoy the fact that you the members of Cycling Ireland said "you arent good enough for our endorsement"

Looks like we're the only federation who holds elected officials to account. Who'd have thought !

wexandproud

ci should tell him to f... ..f to thailand or wherever will have him and stay there

Inquitus

Hopefully Pat will be as big a man as Bob and go if he loses the election - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-23507214