Bolt V Farah over 600m

Pisco Sour

http://au.sports.yahoo.com/news/article/-/18207808/bolt-accepts-farah-challenge-to-race-for-charity/

Lets hope they make this happen!

TRR

would be interesting all right although I'd have Bolt as the favourite.

Pisco Sour

TRR wrote: »

would be interesting all right although I'd have Bolt as the favourite.

I reckon over 600m Farah would win. Over 500m, Bolt. 550m might be the ideal half way point between the two, but that's a messy distance to advertise.

kristian12

Pisco Sour wrote: »

I reckon over 600m Farah would win. Over 500m, Bolt. 550m might be the ideal half way point between the two, but that's a messy distance to advertise.

I'd have to say over 600m i'd give it to Bolt as he's already said he does that in training and its a big comedown in distance from his prefered 5,000 and 10,000 distances for Farah. It seems the advantage would favour Bolt over 600 but over 800 it's be Farah. Either way it'd be fun to watch as they are both fantastic athletes.

Pisco Sour

kristian12 wrote: »

I'd have to say over 600m i'd give it to Bolt as he's already said he does that in training and its a big comedown in distance from his prefered 5,000 and 10,000 distances for Farah. It seems the advantage would favour Bolt over 600 but over 800 it's be Farah. Either way it'd be fun to watch as they are both fantastic athletes.

Farah ran 3:28 for 1500m. At a guess you'd put him at 1:44/45 for 800m. Would be tough for Bolt to beat that level of speed endurance over 600m.

Either way, it would be great to see and it's the type of novelty event the sport needs, to get people talking about it.

TRR

Pisco Sour wrote: »

Farah ran 3:28 for 1500m. At a guess you'd put him at 1:44/45 for 800m. Would be tough for Bolt to beat that level of speed endurance over 600m.

Either way, it would be great to see and it's the type of novelty event the sport needs, to get people talking about it.

Agreed, the only way we could settle this is for them to race it

average_runner

Did bolt not run 400m as a junior?

Pherekydes

average_runner wrote: »

Did bolt not run 400m as a junior?

He ran 45.35 as a 16 year-old. His PB is 45.28.

Has everyone forgotten the farce that was the Bailey-Johnson 150m showdown?

Why not a race over 200m between Farah and one of the big shot putters? Now that would be fun.

TRR

Pherekydes wrote: »

Has everyone forgotten the farce that was the Bailey-Johnson 150m showdown?

What was farcical about that? Would have been interesting if Johnson hadn't of pulled up.

Anyway this would be more interesting IMO as you are taking the Olympic champion of the shortest track event and putting him up against the Olympic champion of the longest track event.

I'm assuming they both have access to teh same gear of course, I jest of course

smmoore79

Farah would have it over 800 but 600 would be tight imo.

Just thinking of other potential races; Rudisha v Farah over 1500m would be another class race Id love to see... Id say Rudisha would have it myself, better see what Mr McMillan and his magical pace calculator thinks

mikeoneill893

IT'S ON..............................................BOLT GAVE IT THE GREEN LIGHT


my moneys on bolt

Pisco Sour

smmoore79 wrote: »

Farah would have it over 800 but 600 would be tight imo.

Just thinking of other potential races; Rudisha v Farah over 1500m would be another class race Id love to see... Id say Rudisha would have it myself, better see what Mr McMillan and his magical pace calculator thinks

Farah is the 6th fastest ever over 1500m. 1200m would be a better race for those 2.

endacl

Pisco Sour wrote: »

Either way, it would be great to see and it's the type of novelty event the sport needs, to get people talking about it.

No it's not. The 600m egg and spoon race is.

mikeoneill893

farahs some dude wah

3-28 1500m man....say what?

he quittin track to do the marathon

never heard the like

pc11

mikeoneill893 wrote: »

farahs some dude wah

3-28 1500m man....say what?

he quittin track to do the marathon

never heard the like

Google translate didn't help me with this.

endacl

pc11 wrote: »

Google translate didn't help me with this.

It's a poem. You're not supposed to 'get it'. You're supposed to 'feel it'.

mikeoneill893

pc11 wrote: »

Google translate didn't help me with this.

it's english man




you don't got to translate it

seanmacc

Didn't Rudisha challenge Bolt to a 400m race after the Olympics?

Nothing seemed to come of it. I'd back Rudisha on that one

Gambas

Hope Rushida asks if he can join in.

Oregano_State

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/athletics-bolt-accepts-farah-challenge-race-charity-095059236.html

What are people's opinions of this?

My money would be on Bolt. He could go through 400m in 48s jogging, Farah would be at full pelt at that sort of speed.

It remains to be seen whether the race will actually happen.

Tom_Cruise

Id say Bolt.

water-man

Gambas wrote: »

Hope Rushida asks if he can join in.

Bolt and Farah run for the same company. Would seriously doubt it if they let anyone else in.

WM

drquirky

water-man wrote: »

Bolt and Farah run for the same company. Would seriously doubt it if they let anyone else in.

WM

Nope- Bolt is Puma and Farah is Nike. That said- Rudisha would trash them at this distance and they both know it so probably wouldn't be interested

drquirky

Hahaha hey OS- just look one thread up from yours!

Oregano_State

drquirky wrote: »

Hahaha hey OS- just look one thread up from yours!

Balls!

n-dawg

Would be great to see Rober Harting race Farah/Rushida over 400m hurdles (Discus gold medalist in London)

spurscormac

n-dawg wrote: »

Would be great to see Rober Harting race Farah/Rushida over 400m hurdles (Discus gold medalist in London)

Was there the night he did that, funniest thing was the petrified look on the officials faces - they'd just laid out the hurdles for the women's final IIRC, and they were scared he was going to plough through a few.

Now that would be a fun race to watch

robinph

spurscormac wrote: »

Was there the night he did that, funniest thing was the petrified look on the officials faces - they'd just laid out the hurdles for the women's final IIRC, and they were scared he was going to plough through a few.

Now that would be a fun race to watch

I was there for that as well, too far away on the far side to see the look on the officials faces though, but was still fun to watch him do the hurdles.

BeepBeep67

drquirky wrote: »

Nope- Bolt is Puma and Farah is Nike. That said- Rudisha would trash them at this distance and they both know it so probably wouldn't be interested

Think they have the same agent

Tombo2001

If Rudisha cant do it (due to injury) then they should ask Nijel Amos....

Seems a bit silly saying this is the showdown between the fastest sprinter and fastest middle distance runner, when neither of them would be fastest in this particular event (cause if they were, they'd be running it all the time!!).

dna_leri

BeepBeep67 wrote: »

Think they have the same agent

Yes, Ricky Simms from Donegal.

It is a bit of a novelty non-event that attracts publicity but really does nothing to promote the sport, especially when you take into account that they are going to be nowhere near the fastest at that distance.

Any good speed-based 800m runner, like Symmonds or Solomon would leave them both for dead - Solomon ran 1:13.28 a few weeks ago, bettered only by Johnny Gray's 1:12.81 back in the day. I bet neither of these goes under 1:16 for 600m.

It would be much better to see the top athletes go head-to-head against each other in their specific events, instead of the usual dodging each other in the diamond league and where low-quality fields are setup so the crowd's favourite always wins.

mikeoneill893

Tombo2001 wrote: »

If Rudisha cant do it (due to injury) then they should ask Nijel Amos....

Seems a bit silly saying this is the showdown between the fastest sprinter and fastest middle distance runner, when neither of them would be fastest in this particular event (cause if they were, they'd be running it all the time!!).

amos injured out of moscow now


that's london 1,2,3 dropped out now i think

pc11

mikeoneill893 wrote: »

it's english man




you don't got to translate it

I'm terribly sorry, but you seem to be having a stroke.

Skid X

Tombo2001 wrote: »

If Rudisha cant do it (due to injury) then they should ask Nijel Amos....

Seems a bit silly saying this is the showdown between the fastest sprinter and fastest middle distance runner, when neither of them would be fastest in this particular event (cause if they were, they'd be running it all the time!!).

You are missing the point of this, nobody is claiming Bolt or Farah would be a World Class 600 metres runner. There is no point in either of them racing against an 800 metres medallist, they wouldn't have a hope. It is an alien distance to both of them, that's what would make it interesting.

mikeoneill893

pc11 wrote: »

I'm terribly sorry, but you seem to be having a stroke.

humour fail

TFBubendorfer

<mod post> Can you guys please stop the childish pickering </mod post>

Tombo2001

Skid X wrote: »

You are missing the point of this, nobody is claiming Bolt or Farah would be a World Class 600 metres runner. There is no point in either of them racing against an 800 metres medallist, they wouldn't have a hope. It is an alien distance to both of them, that's what would make it interesting.

Thats what makes it interesting but its also what makes it pointless imho.....apart from being a spectacle......what will it prove?

Its like getting Brian O'Driscoll to take on Henry Shefflin at soccer. So what.

I do think Rudisha vs Bolt over 400m could be very interesting, because both in their own right could plausibly be one of the best in the world at that distance, particularly Bolt.

mikeoneill893

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Thats what makes it interesting but its also what makes it pointless imho.....apart from being a spectacle......what will it prove?

Its like getting Brian O'Driscoll to take on Henry Shefflin at soccer. So what.

I do think Rudisha vs Bolt over 400m could be very interesting, because both in their own right could plausibly be one of the best in the world at that distance, particularly Bolt.

rudisha v bolt at 400 isn't that interesting


bolt takes it every time

Tombo2001

mikeoneill893 wrote: »

rudisha v bolt at 400 isn't that interesting


bolt takes it every time

You might be right but it would be close.

Rudisha has a better PB for the distance and I reckon both could run in the 44s.......both could qualify for an Olympic final.

mikeoneill893

Tombo2001 wrote: »

You might be right but it would be close.

Rudisha has a better PB for the distance and I reckon both could run in the 44s.......both could qualify for an Olympic final.

jaysus i could be wrong
he's got a 45-15 from 2013


i didn't realise he was that fast

Oregano_State

mikeoneill893 wrote: »

jaysus i could be wrong
he's got a 45-15 from 2013


i didn't realise he was that fast

That's why he's able to go through 400m in 49.1s and keep going for another lap!

Chivito550

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Thats what makes it interesting but its also what makes it pointless imho.....apart from being a spectacle......what will it prove?

Its like getting Brian O'Driscoll to take on Henry Shefflin at soccer. So what.

I do think Rudisha vs Bolt over 400m could be very interesting, because both in their own right could plausibly be one of the best in the world at that distance, particularly Bolt.

By that logic, you could argue that Rudisha V Bolt over 400m would also be pointless as both would get beaten comfortably by Kirani James.

Tombo2001

Chivito550 wrote: »

By that logic, you could argue that Rudisha V Bolt over 400m would also be pointless as both would get beaten comfortably by Kirani James.

Would they?

Rudisha has run 45.13 with dedicating himself to the distance.

Kirani James has a PB of 43.96.

Not that much between them.

Oregano_State

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Would they?

Rudisha has run 45.13 with dedicating himself to the distance.

Kirani James has a PB of 43.96.

Not that much between them.

It's a pretty huge gap.

AFAIK only ten athletes have ever run under 44 seconds, and many of those only did it once.

Rudisha might get to 44.4 if he dedicated himself to it, but it takes 200m speed in the low 20s range to be up there with the best.

Rudisha is a phenomenon at 800m, at 400m he'd be competitive, but not much more.

pc11

Here's something mad: Farah is #6 of all-time in the 1500, but he's only #31 of all-time in the 5,000m! He's #15 over 10,000m.

I've always said Farah needs to improve his times over 5/10k if he wants to be talked about as an all-time great. He's a long, long way off what people like Bekele have done. Bekele has run 10 different 5,000m faster than Farah's PB. Haile's 6th best time at 5,000m is about the same as Mo's PB.

Pisco Sour

pc11 wrote: »

Here's something mad: Farah is #6 of all-time in the 1500, but he's only #31 of all-time in the 5,000m! He's #15 over 10,000m.

I've always said Farah needs to improve his times over 5/10k if he wants to be talked about as an all-time great. He's a long, long way off what people like Bekele have done. Bekele has run 10 different 5,000m faster than Farah's PB. Haile's 6th best time at 5,000m is about the same as Mo's PB.

What that tells me is that he just hasn't targeted a truly fast time over either 5000m and 10000m yet. Maybe next year in a non global championship year he might have a crack, but championships really are a priority.

Honestly, if he is 6th of all time in an event he doesn't focus on and rarely races, it stands to reason that, if he targeted fast times, he'd rank very highly on the all-time list in his preferred distances. To think otherwise is silly.

pc11

Pisco Sour wrote: »

What that tells me is that he just hasn't targeted a truly fast time over either 5000m and 10000m yet. Maybe next year in a non global championship year he might have a crack, but championships really are a priority.

Honestly, if he is 6th of all time in an event he doesn't focus on and rarely races, it stands to reason that, if he targeted fast times, he'd rank very highly on the all-time list in his preferred distances. To think otherwise is silly.

Ah here. I didn't suggest he couldn't, I said he hadn't (yet). And until he does, the point stands and you can only speculate what he might do.

Tombo2001

Oregano_State wrote: »

It's a pretty huge gap.

AFAIK only ten athletes have ever run under 44 seconds, and many of those only did it once.

Rudisha might get to 44.4 if he dedicated himself to it, but it takes 200m speed in the low 20s range to be up there with the best.

Rudisha is a phenomenon at 800m, at 400m he'd be competitive, but not much more.

If Rudisha ran 44.4 in last year's olympic final, he'd have won a silver medal.

Oregano_State

Tombo2001 wrote: »

If Rudisha ran 44.4 in last year's Olympic final, he'd have won a silver medal.

In major championships, athletes have to run 3 rounds on consecutive days. It can take it's toll.

Also, there's no guarantee Rudisha would be able to do that time.

And even if he did win the silver medal at the 2012 Olympics, he would have had to pass up a gold and a WR in the 800m.

walshb

I think the race is an excellent idea. On a separte note I would love to see Mo tackle a few records. The 5k and 10 k being the two obvious and prestigious. He has the leg speed, as his 1500 time suggests, so with real endurance can he break both?

mikerodgers96

walshb wrote: »

I think the race is an excellent idea. On a separte note I would love to see Mo tackle a few records. The 5k and 10 k being the two obvious and prestigious. He has the leg speed, as his 1500 time suggests, so with real endurance can he break both?

5k unlikely

10k no chance

imo