Hunters Wood, Dublin 24

Tillydear

Hi, We are looking to buy a place in hunters walk, hunterswood, and would appreciate any info-good or bad about the area. We have 3 young kids and wonder if it is a safe place for kids to grow up in.
Any info would be much appreciated.
Many hanks

seamus

Yeah, it's safe. Jam packed with couples between 25 and 40 with children under 10. The majority of the people living there grew up in Terenure/Templeogue/Rathfarnham, so it's very much middle class.
There's an apartment block which has occasional anti-social issues, but that's generally between renting tenants in the block or in the underground car park as opposed to anything spilling out onto the street

It's a little isolated in that most amenities (parks, etc) have to be driven to, but there's a bus terminus literally on the doorstep with a bus every five minutes at peak. There is a feeling of remoteness in the area, primarily because of the unfinished building site across the road in Dalriada. There are plans to finish it, but who knows when.

There is a halting site in the neighbouring Daletree estate which used to be a source of some hassle for residents on that edge of the estate, but I haven't heard of any trouble in the last 18 months.

Victor

Is this Hunters Wood in Oldcourt?

Tillydear

@ Seamus. thanks a great lot Seamus. Very much appreciate your help.

@ Victor. I am still not familiar with the area yet but from the map i can see that hunterswood is close to old court.

seamus

Victor wrote: »

Is this Hunters Wood in Oldcourt?

The OldCourt road runs along the southern edge of the estate, but afaik it's in the old townland of Ballycullen, east of Oldcourt.

Edit; Nope, it's not actually, it's in the old townland of Oldcourt.

I've never heard anyone actually use oldcourt in the address though.

SarahS2013

Hi Tillydear,
We're looking at buying a place in Hunterswood at the moment, can I ask how you've found it so far?

Thanks a mill

Annalis

it's Ballycullen but ppl often say Firhouse.

My understanding is that it is not Firhouse as Firhouse is from the other side of the scholarstown rd down..The Ballycullen road is split by that interaction.

it's not tallaght either.

It's just one of the many places under the d24 postcode.

Hope I've got that right.

username123

Its a grand area. Not perfect though. I live there and have lived in Knocklyon/Firhouse all my life. The worst problems are the constant ongoing low level issues from the halting site in Daletree, anti social behaviour, petty opportunistic theft and harrassment etc... There is also a halting site at the top of Stocking Lane and recently there have been some reports of issues there (bare knuckle fights going on on the street). Although it has calmed down in recent years there have been a lot of joyriding and rallying of cars up the Old Court Road on up the mountain at night.

There is a new LIDL about to open on the Old Court Road. I am looking forward to that as the Old Court Road has not been entirely safe feeling for a woman alone since I moved in up there and I (and other female neighbours) have been harrassed by teens in cars (mostly travellers) when jogging/walking alone there on a number of occasions - its not "dangerous" but its intimidating and the entire stretch from the tall apartment block at Hunterswood to Ferncourt is basically walled with estates behind the walls so it feels isolated.

Personally, as someone who has bought right next to Hunterswood, if I had the money back again and the knowledge that I have now - Id be more inclined to go with "old" Firhouse - there are more amenities, less anti social issues, and less isolation.

In saying that, the proximity to the mountain, the noise of the cows mooing me to sleep and the newer amenities coming along like LIDL (and the bus route has been a godsend as well) do make up for some of the minor irritations.

D3PO

personally not a fan of Hunterswood its typical of al lot of boomtime builds walls like cardboard, properties shoehorned on top of each other, very few ameneties, a crap bus service, cronic traffic.

the last post and all the anti social behavior being mentioned is news to me though. Not sure its as bad as the last poster seems to be making out.

that said Id agree "old firhouse" in my opinion is much more appealing.

As for Annalis does it really matter if its Ballycullen, Firhouse or Tallaght ? This discussion has been done to death in the past it really doesn't matter.

Everybody for some bizzare reason thinks D24 = Tallaght which of course is incorrect but I don't see the point in arguing it with people.

username123

D3PO wrote: »

the last post and all the anti social behavior being mentioned is news to me though. Not sure its as bad as the last poster seems to be making out.

I did say it was low level - but it is constant. I live in Beechdale and I could list specific incidents for you - unless you experience it for yourself you probably wouldnt know about it, its hardly newsworthy stuff, petty crime and harrassment dont make the papers.

There is also a big difference in the perception of safety as a woman alone compared to a man alone, my husband has never once been harrassed on the street locally day or night - but I have on a number of occasions, including being flashed at by a teenager in Ballycragh Park - again not newsworthy, but not pleasant.

Annalis

I have never felt scared or been intimidated by day in the area.

Don't normally venture out after dark anywhere just not clever nowadays as a female.
That's not to say you shouldn't be able too though.

My house was broken into in 2006 12 noon. Set of the alarm. New area with everyone at work meant it went unnoticed.
Car, tv and electrical stuff mainly taken. then they sprayed lighter fluid on the carpets. I think if interrupted they might have dropped a match..
Changed a few bits like the alarm now txts phone and got CCTV which I can check from anywhere , security lights on sensors and got rid of turn locks and it's key access... As it was so easy to break in to with the glass side panels beside the front door and the turn locks.
No trouble since.

D3PO

I jog up that direction most evenings although admittedly im not from the area its just part of my 15km route.

Ive never seen any thing untoward and its certainly not unsafe after dark. I don't particularly like the area for the reasons Ive already mentioned but I think its a bit much saying its unsafe or even remotely a crime hotspot. From my knowledge and knowing people living there its actually a decvent area in that regard.

It just suffers severely from a lack of ameneties and poor public transport links and most of the other things associated with celtic tiger construction areas

Annalis

D3PO
apologies if my post annoyed you.
I'm new to this forum.. Only a couple of days.
I was not aware it was done to death.
My SIL is from Tallaght and insists I live in tallaght. Other ppl say Firhouse which also is incorrect in my eyes.. It's not new Firhouse as you refer to "old"

super_furry

I rented there for a couple of years and was glad to move on. It's a prime example of a Celtic Tiger development and it's a bit soulless and grey. There are zero amenities and with so many young children there, teenage groups could be an issue in years to come. If your girlfriend is stuck on Tallaght then Firhouse, Belgard Heights and Kingswood would be better options I think.

Annalis

Dreading the addition of new houses they have planned along old court road..when they still haven't finished with stocking wood or dalrida!
Yes to the schools and other amenities but not more houses.. Just not needed right now.

username123

D3PO wrote: »

Ive never seen any thing untoward and its certainly not unsafe after dark. I don't particularly like the area for the reasons Ive already mentioned but I think its a bit much saying its unsafe or even remotely a crime hotspot. From my knowledge and knowing people living there its actually a decvent area in that regard.

If you wish to verify for yourself the issues I have described please feel free to contact Rathfarnham Garda Station who are well familiar with the situation.

Its probably no worse than most places but I have personally experienced more minor issues since I lived in Beechdale (8 years now) than in my entire 30 years previous in Knocklyon and "old" Firhouse both. As Ive said, not newsworthy, nothing major, but low level pain in the butt type stuff. Certainly not crime hotspot and Ive no idea how you concluded that.

D3PO

you haven't annoyed me

Your SIL is wrong. Its this bizzare thing people have thinking D24 = Tallaght not that it matters anyway.

It would be like somebody calling D15 Blanchardstown when its not its Blanch or Castleknock or Mullhuddart or wherever it is. I just don't really understand why people think that D24 is one area. Its one of those strange annomolies.

I kind of understand why people say its Firhouse but again does it really matter. Id agree its Ballycullen but whatever you call it it doesn't change where it is, so its a pointless argument really.

username123

Annalis wrote: »

Dreading the addition of new houses they have planned along old court road..when they still haven't finished with stocking wood or dalrida!
Yes to the schools and other amenities but not more houses.. Just not needed right now.

Thats all only proposed, nothing in stone yet, to my knowledge the farmer is not planning to sell that dairy farm.

D3PO

would be Ludacris for the council to give PP for anymore housing up there when theres two unfinished estates in Dalrida and Stocking wood.

Although both are technically D16 (I think)

Annalis

Sitting here having a cuppa and looking out at my wonder view. Love it.

It worries me what's being said about the area. I like it here but there is not the same sense of community, wish we had that here.

I hate to admit I only know a few neighbours and that's only improving now because I've kids and it's just from chatting with them while out on the green.
When working i dont see anyone.

Its great to have the swings and playground. We also have a puck around on the green so it does sound all bad now does it. 😊

username123

D3PO wrote: »

would be Ludacris for the council to give PP for anymore housing up there when theres two unfinished estates in Dalrida and Stocking wood.

Although both are technically D16 (I think)

Dalriada is mostly going to become social housing, NAMA sold remaining units to the state a couple of years ago at knockdown prices. It was in the papers but the only internet link I can find is that one from the property pin. Ive a friend who bought there at the height of things and effectively had the value of her property slashed to a fraction of its cost because of that deal.

Annalis

D3PO
They'll get more money (lol) for the D16.. Madness not to finish!

My god the drama of the road split!!
So silly.
I'm 9 years up here now. Bar the break in as mentioned and my neighbour's domestics.. It's been grand.

I really worry for her though (my neighbour). She knows I know, she looks at me with venom because I could be a treat I suppose. If I got involved.. I've not yet. But she's a little person the same age as my little person. It's horrible to think these things go on in front of kids.

D3PO

Annalis wrote: »

D3PO
They'll get more money (lol) for the D16.. Madness not to finish!

My god the drama of the road split!!
So silly.
I'm 9 years up here now. Bar the break in as mentioned and my neighbour's domestics.. It's been grand.

I really worry for her though (my neighbour). She knows I know, she looks at me with venom because I could be a treat I suppose. If I got involved.. I've not yet. But she's a little person the same age as my little person. It's horrible to think these things go on in front of kids.

Sure postcodes are a nonsense anyway IMO.

My Inlaws live in "old firhouse" funnily enough they still have the old paper ad from the early 1970's when their estate was built and went for sale.

Monalea was "Templeogue Dublin 16 then" Now its not Templeogue nor D16 lol

In fact Templeogue isn't even D16 anymore its now D6W

Its all based on snobbery IMO. And it works both ways, no idea why people get so hung up on postcodes.

Although I do concede they have an inherent value associated with them, which Id hoped the new postcode system would irradicate but doesn't seem like it will.

Annalis

Will that ever happen? The new post code system?? Wasn't it about 2005 they mentioned it and the snobs went mental!!

Ha ha when i was a kid, we were Templeogue D12 (first) then it changed to D16 now D6W.

D3PO

Annalis wrote: »

Will that ever happen? The new post code system?? Wasn't it about 2005 they mentioned it and the snobs went mental!!

Ha ha when i was a kid, we were Templeogue D12 (first) then it changed to D16 now D6W.

Na your wrong I was brought up in templeogue it went like this

D16 then D6 then proposed to move to D12 and all hell broke loose so a special D6W postcode was setup as the snobs lobbied the local councillers.

People need to get over themselves tbh the flipping place didn't move its only a flaming postcode sheesh lol

Annalis

I remember writing it as a kid it was 12, 16, 6 (your right) then 6w.. Maybe they didnt want to move it back 12.. As 12 was then Crumlin, Walkinstown?

My parents are away I'll annoy them when back.. I'm nearly sure we startes at 12.. Lol
Templeogue is big too.. So maybe it was my side? My parents are Wellington lane side.

ted1

D3PO wrote: »

Sure postcodes are a nonsense anyway IMO.

My Inlaws live in "old firhouse" funnily enough they still have the old paper ad from the early 1970's when their estate was built and went for sale.

Monalea was "Templeogue Dublin 16 then" Now its not Templeogue nor D16 lol

In fact Templeogue isn't even D16 anymore its now D6W

Its all based on snobbery IMO. And it works both ways, no idea why people get so hung up on postcodes.

Although I do concede they have an inherent value associated with them, which Id hoped the new postcode system would irradicate but doesn't seem like it will.

Monalea is no more D6W than Jobstown is.

Its D24. you can check it here. http://correctaddress.anpost.ie/pages/Search.aspx

D3PO

It was D12 for a period until D6W was specially created. Cant remember how long for mind you wants that long though.

Glendown here so we were very close so that's not it lol. :P

Poor ould Santa must have had a headache replying to all those childrens letters from Temploeuge. What postcode to use ?

D3PO

ted1 wrote: »

Monalea is no more D6W than Jobstown is.

Its D24. you can check it here. http://correctaddress.anpost.ie/pages/Search.aspx

Can you read :rolleyes: God almighty

I was talking about 43 years ago FFS

My Inlaws live in "old firhouse" funnily enough they still have the old paper ad from the early 1970's when their estate was built and went for sale.

Monalea was "Templeogue Dublin 16 then" Now its not Templeogue nor D16 lol

tallaghtmick

Best thing about being from the D24 area is riling up people telling them they are from Tallaght I'm proud of it just these "wastelanders" cant handle a joke

Annalis

D3PO- where did you go to school?

D3PO

Annalis wrote: »

D3PO- where did you go to school?

Presentation when it was actually a mixed school up to 1st class (showing my age !! ) then Joeys Terenure.

Then went to McDara's (when my parents became less snobby hehe (joking)

seamus

D3PO wrote: »

personally not a fan of Hunterswood its typical of al lot of boomtime builds walls like cardboard, properties shoehorned on top of each other, very few ameneties, a crap bus service, cronic traffic.

Tbh, while some of the finishing in the properties was cheap and poor, the actual structural build is pretty good considering when they were built. I've lived in proper cardboard celtic tiger builds, the stuff in Hunterswood is well built, just cheaply finished. Maybe there was a change in building standards or something.

The bus service is actually great. You've two routes terminating there and leaving on a regular basis. It's a better service than you get in some places closer to the city
Don't notice the traffic myself, but then I don't drive to work. Outside of peak times, there are no traffic issues.
Amenities is a fair point, but it's getting better with the Lidl going in down the road and the local area plan being finalised.

It's worth remembering that the estate is less than ten years old and the arse fell out of everything right as the estate was finished, so all of the amenities of shops, parklands, sports grounds, etc which would have been built, weren't. They will come along in the next decade.

The "community feel" has definitely been coming into the estate over the last few years. People have been settling properly there (rather than moving onto bigger properties), having kids, etc.

the last post and all the anti social behavior being mentioned is news to me though. Not sure its as bad as the last poster seems to be making out.

It's a weird one. Daletree and Beechdale have a reputation for having regular low-level trouble, which for some reason hasn't crept into Hunterswood, except for the one road bordering Daletree.
There is a road of traveller accommodation in Daletree which is just a complete cesspit, so perhaps that's the source of the reputation and Beechdale/Daletree on the whole is actually fine.
Or maybe it's the fact that it borders Ballycragh Park and Scholar's Pub, both of which have reputations for being less than savoury after dark.

username123

seamus wrote: »

It's a weird one. Daletree and Beechdale have a reputation for having regular low-level trouble, which for some reason hasn't crept into Hunterswood, except for the one road bordering Daletree.
There is a road of traveller accommodation in Daletree which is just a complete cesspit, so perhaps that's the source of the reputation and Beechdale/Daletree on the whole is actually fine.
Or maybe it's the fact that it borders Ballycragh Park and Scholar's Pub, both of which have reputations for being less than savoury after dark.

I helped out one of the local politicians a few years back, knocking on doors asking for votes. I covered the area around Beechdale, and some of Daletree. It was interesting that the further you got from Daletree Close the less peoples awareness was of any hassle, but the closer you got it was more likely to be the first thing that people brought up. There were some very very angry people along Beechdale Road and Beechdale Place who were suffering almost weekly hassle, whereas the end of Beechdale Avenue intersecting with Oakdale were largely unaware of problems.

It is worth remembering that when Beechdale estate was built, there was no through road to Daletree Road and they right of way had been extinguished (that patch of wasteland between Hunterswood and now LIDL was once the Daletree Road.) Daletree was closed off from Beechdale by a wall. When they built the social housing on Daletree Court, that wall was knocked down and they opened that road to join around with Beechdale Road -that was when the problems started.

Things had quietened down considerably in recent years but recently there has been a spate of minor issues arising again - presumably as certain groups of kids reach a trouble making age.

Annalis

seamus wrote: »

Tbh, while some of the finishing in the properties was cheap and poor, the actual structural build is pretty good considering when they were built.

"The "community feel" has definitely been coming into the estate over the last few years. People have been settling properly there.

I concur yes there is a bit of banging from the fact that the doors are fired doors on chains - which we removed lol..
But I think it's ok..

Yes too cheaply finished.
We didn't have a thing.. Not a shower door, loo roll holder, appliances or tiles.. It was bare and magnolia.. !!
And MAN definitely put no thought into the kitchens! We've had to replace ours for more storage and as we are not moving...You've got to make the best of what you've got.
Also redid bathroom and ensuite..

Annalis

D3PO wrote: »

Presentation when it was actually a mixed school up to 1st class (showing my age !! ) then Joeys Terenure.

Then went to McDara's (when my parents became less snobby hehe (joking)

I went to Mc Dara's too we probably know eachother or siblings do!!
I started in BSNS and then BGNS. My eldest is in BSNS now.

spockety

Dalriada and Stocking Wood will be completed relatively quickly now. They are lashing up houses in Stocking Wood from foundation to ridge in only 6 weeks recently, and they sold out before there was a spade in the ground. The builders will take advantage of the current madness (at least in the headlines) to get them up while the market is going.

New phases of both will be announced and it will be like 2005 all over again with queues of people pen in hand ready to sign off the plans.

The council's Local Area Plan also radically changes the density, and they envision streets of semi-d's with driveways and gardens the further up the hill you go south of the Oldcourt Road. It will be nothing like Hunterswood, which speaking as someone who spent his earlier years walking up the Kilakee Road to the hellfire club, is an absolute travesty in terms of suitable design/density for that spot.

D3PO

Interesting stuff Spokety, , must take a drive up round that area one of these days and see how it has changed with all this building work going on.

I haven't been up around Stocking wood, Dalrida in a good 6 months but It was pretty grim to look at the unfinished state of the place then.

Annalis

spockety wrote: »

The council's Local Area Plan also radically changes the density, and they envision streets of semi-d's with driveways and gardens the further up the hill you go south of the Oldcourt Road. It will be nothing like Hunterswood, which speaking as someone who spent his earlier years walking up the Kilakee Road to the hellfire club, is an absolute travesty in terms of suitable design/density for that spot.

Which in your opinion is the travesty hunterswood or the impending semi ds??

username123

D3PO wrote: »

Interesting stuff Spokety, , must take a drive up round that area one of these days and see how it has changed with all this building work going on.

I haven't been up around Stocking wood, Dalrida in a good 6 months but It was pretty grim to look at the unfinished state of the place then.

It hasnt changed. There may be building work going on but its not visible from the road.

I saw a lone deer standing amid bits of desolate machinery and overgrown wasteland up that way last year. If Id had a camera it would have been a prize winning shot.

Annalis

Either way semi ds or hunters, this is a beautiful scenic area that has changed so much since I was a kid.. Before the Ballycullen road was built, we use to walk up that way to get to the hellfire/massey's as kids 11-12 year olds from Templeogue, delaney's then the holy well, all our little landmarks.. "are we nearly there..."
What a journey.. How times have changed not an adult in sight or a phone box on the route.. Remember a friend jumping off the hellfire ruin and sprained her ankle!! Long trek home.. Hobble hobble!

D3PO

yeah I used to love cycling up to the hell fire that way. It was a lovely cycle very scenic. Its such a pity all that building took place but what can ya do.

Christ the ballycullen road from Mortons pub up used to be no more than a country lane now look at it.

Annalis

D3PO wrote: »

yeah I used to love cycling up to the hell fire that way. It was a lovely cycle very scenic. Its such a pity all that building took place but what can ya do.

Christ the ballycullen road from Mortons pub up used to be no more than a country lane now look at it.

I know!!

username123

D3PO wrote: »

Christ the ballycullen road from Mortons pub up used to be no more than a country lane now look at it.

The big change there came the summer of 1995. It was a country lane, I went to the states and worked for the summer, and when I came back - it was a big road!! Remember Maggies little blue shop opposite Glenvara Park and the little shop up the lane beside Delaneys?

Before they extended Glenvara Park there used to be a large post in the ground that the cows had rubbed smooth with their heads - we used to hang over the fence and pet them.

The Hare Krishnas house was another wonderland of delights for a child, the beautiful bluebell meadow beside it - we had huts everywhere. I once fell from a tree that no longer exists around that area.

seamus

spockety wrote: »

Dalriada and Stocking Wood will be completed relatively quickly now. They are lashing up houses in Stocking Wood from foundation to ridge in only 6 weeks recently, and they sold out before there was a spade in the ground. The builders will take advantage of the current madness (at least in the headlines) to get them up while the market is going.

New phases of both will be announced and it will be like 2005 all over again with queues of people pen in hand ready to sign off the plans.

I had heard rumours that Ellier (the guys who are building Dalriada) had gone into receivership, but I can't find any information on it, and they have changed the plans in the last 12 months. Where they previously planned to build duplexes and apartment blocks on that land, they've changed it now to townhouses and semi-d's. They've obviously spotted the shortfall in the market and have decided to go for it.

Building has resumed in Stocking Wood, much to the relief of the existing residents, but I've seen no sign of any work in Dalriada for at least a year. For the moment, they're just filling in the gap at Stocking Wood Walk, but I wouldn't be surprised if they move across the road to sort out Stocking Well after that.

The council's Local Area Plan also radically changes the density, and they envision streets of semi-d's with driveways and gardens the further up the hill you go south of the Oldcourt Road. It will be nothing like Hunterswood, which speaking as someone who spent his earlier years walking up the Kilakee Road to the hellfire club, is an absolute travesty in terms of suitable design/density for that spot.

Little thing you mightn't have known; the original plans for Dalriada on both sides of Stocking Avenue were to build five-storey "landmark" apartment blocks, the same size as Hunter's hall. If they'd started building them in 2005 you could easily have a southside Ballymun right there full of problem tenants and empty apartments.
If not that, it would still have been an out-of-place eyesore like the stuff that was built all along the Enniskerry Road.
Thankfully they've changed these to just houses and I get to keep my view

D3PO

username123 wrote: »

The big change there came the summer of 1995. It was a country lane, I went to the states and worked for the summer, and when I came back - it was a big road!! Remember Maggies little blue shop opposite Glenvara Park and the little shop up the lane beside Delaneys?
.

I don't but my wife does. Big changes there in the past 20 years.

#gettingold

username123

D3PO wrote: »

I don't but my wife does. Big changes there in the past 20 years.

#gettingold

Ive started a photo documenting project of the area around Firhouse. I took a load of pics 1-2 years ago (just an ordinary camera) with the plan to go back to the same spots and take the same pics every few years. Already the face of things has changed with the Victory Centre closed, LIDL being built, work started on the site of the Old Court Garden Centre.

It might make a nice book or website in 40 years time.

Annalis

seamus wrote: »

I had heard rumours that Ellier (the guys who are building Dalriada) had gone into receivership, but I can't find any information on it, and they have changed the plans in the last 12 months. Where they previously planned to build duplexes and apartment blocks on that land, they've changed it now to townhouses and semi-d's. They've obviously spotted the shortfall in the market and have decided to go for it.

Building has resumed in Stocking Wood, much to the relief of the existing residents, but I've seen no sign of any work in Dalriada for at least a year. For the moment, they're just filling in the gap at Stocking Wood Walk, but I wouldn't be surprised if they move across the road to sort out Stocking Well after that.

Little thing you mightn't have known; the original plans for Dalriada on both sides of Stocking Avenue were to build five-storey "landmark" apartment blocks, the same size as Hunter's hall. If they'd started building them in 2005 you could easily have a southside Ballymun right there full of problem tenants and empty apartments.
If not that, it would still have been an out-of-place eyesore like the stuff that was built all along the Enniskerry Road.
Thankfully they've changed these to just houses and I get to keep my view

I hate hunters hall, it's just too high and looks out if place. God can't imagine 3 together.. Thank god their plans have changed.
Seamus, where are you living?

spockety

Annalis wrote: »

Which in your opinion is the travesty hunterswood or the impending semi ds??

Hunterswood. Rows of apartment balconies looking directly out onto Gunny Hill as the last line of ultra dense soulless accommodation before the green belt.

At least the semi d's will be kept to two stories, spaced wide enough to accomodate gardens, driveways, on street parking etc.

Annalis

Yep thirty-somethings, married with kids.

But we wouldn't like it any other way.. Would we!!??

Hate homework.. I'd pay someone else to do it!! Forgetting (not) I'll be back in work in no time and I'll be paying Chuckleberries!! And wishing I was back here now. 😪

Annalis

spockety wrote: »

Hunterswood. Rows of apartment balconies looking directly out onto Gunny Hill as the last line of ultra dense soulless accommodation before the green belt.

At least the semi d's will be kept to two stories, spaced wide enough to accomodate gardens, driveways, on street parking etc.

Yep sounds a lot nicer..
Ah ah hang on I'm living in one of those soulless accommodations.. Lol.. not taking offence at all.
Wish I could keep the view and change the house!
Now I'll be looking at houses with gardens taking my view.. Ah well.. Better start doing the lotto..