2004 CLK 200 Kompressor not running right after a re-fuel

kingaaa

I got some petrol on the way into work this morning (tank was very low). the garage is right next to my job so I put €50 worth in and parked up in work. When I started it up at 2pm it was rough, as if not firing on all 4 rough, and the yellow engine light was on. Now I'm thinking dirty fuel because it happent so suddenly and I only had done 200 yards after refueling, but could it be more serious? The car was running fine before re-fueling. Are there any remedys/checks? obviously I cant get a diagnostic done today - and I need the car for work. Any help is appreciated.

visual

You might have sucked up dirt from bottom of tank.
Fuel filter change and reset your service lights might be all it needs

166man

Apple green fuel station?

kingaaa

166man wrote: »

You went in on the yellow light and came back being down €50 and the light still on? If it actually is still on Id be straight back to the garage.

no, went into the garage on a yellow light for the petrol mate - but now its running like a dog and my yellow ENGINE light is on.

Technoprisoner

166man wrote: »

Apple green fuel station?

they are talking about the yellow engine management light

Technoprisoner

kingaaa wrote: »

I got some petrol on the way into work this morning (tank was very low). the garage is right next to my job so I put €50 worth in and parked up in work. When I started it up at 2pm it was rough, as if not firing on all 4 rough, and the yellow engine light was on. Now I'm thinking dirty fuel because it happent so suddenly and I only had done 200 yards after refueling, but could it be more serious? The car was running fine before re-fueling. Are there any remedys/checks? obviously I cant get a diagnostic done today - and I need the car for work. Any help is appreciated.

your problem could be fuel related but it could be something like a coil pack. Mercs very rarely give trouble but they are known to require a new coil pack every now and again. it is difficult to diagnose a problem with a car on the internet so its always a good idea to bring the car to a mechanic to diagnose

kingaaa

Technoprisoner wrote: »

your problem could be fuel related but it could be something like a coil pack. Mercs very rarely give trouble but they are known to require a new coil pack every now and again. it is difficult to diagnose a problem with a car on the internet so its always a good idea to bring the car to a mechanic to diagnose

would it not be strange though for the coils to suddenly pack up?

ION08

Could easily just be a spark plug and that fact that you refuelled is purely coincidental.

Think you might be jumping the gun a little bit.

Since the engine light is on it will most definitely have a fault code stored. Get it read before you start jumping to any conclusions

Frankie Lee

I would be wary of driving one of them if the engine management light is on given the high possibility of the timing chain being stretched. If you can get it checked on a computer do so.

Del2005

Technoprisoner wrote: »

your problem could be fuel related but it could be something like a coil pack. Mercs very rarely give trouble but they are known to require a new coil pack every now and again. it is difficult to diagnose a problem with a car on the internet so its always a good idea to bring the car to a mechanic to diagnose

Mercs of that vintage aren't the most reliable of cars. The deal with Crysler lead to a large quality drop for most of the noughties

166man

kingaaa wrote: »

no, went into the garage on a yellow light for the petrol mate - but now its running like a dog and my yellow ENGINE light is on.

Yeah sugar I only realised that after!

I was then wondering if it was an Applegreen fuel station?

Technoprisoner

Del2005 wrote: »

Mercs of that vintage aren't the most reliable of cars. The deal with Crysler lead to a large quality drop for most of the noughties

compared to most cars they are reliable.... they dont often go through coil packs or air mass meters...but when they do they are costly. Most common parts for them are suspension parts wishbones, ball joints, shocks, coil springs. but most those parts are consumables with irish roads

kingaaa

166man wrote: »

Yeah sugar I only realised that after!

I was then wondering if it was an Applegreen fuel station?

Not applegreen, the garage on Amien street - not sure of the brand?

visual

Del2005 wrote: »

Mercs of that vintage aren't the most reliable of cars. The deal with Crysler lead to a large quality drop for most of the noughties

Think Crysler lost out using Mercedes parts
Don't believe Mercedes used Crysler parts.

kona

Pull the leads out and see if your getting a spark.

If your not happy doing this being it to a garage.

Duke of Speed

are you sure you didn't put in diesel

ION08

Duke of Speed wrote: »

are you sure you didn't put in diesel

Im sure if they put diesel in, the car would be completely fuc*ed as opposed to just running a little rough.

Again, i very much doubt its a fuel issue at all and that was pureley coincidental.

Duke of Speed

no it wouldn't petrol in a diesel car would **** the hp pump not in a petrol clean out would sort it

ION08

Duke of Speed wrote: »

no it wouldn't petrol in a diesel car would **** the hp pump not in a petrol clean out would sort it

Ehhh no. Youre wrong.

You can get away with a bit of petrol in a diesel car.

Diesel in a petrol car is game over.

Duke of Speed

35 years as an engine builder ecu tuner of rally drift cars and i map them says your wrong

ION08

Duke of Speed wrote: »

35 years as an engine builder ecu tuner of rally drift cars and i map them says your wrong

Oh dear :rolleyes:

Duke of Speed

I've cleaned many a petrol car with diesel in it but petrol in a diesel car especially common rail which run pressures up to 1500bar has no lubrication in the petrol will damage hp pump and injector nozzles the owner above could check the receipt they got with the fuel to see is it marked petrol or diesel I only offered a bit of friendly advice but i don't make comments that are not true

ION08

Ok, so the OP complains of his or her PETROL mercedes running rough, which more than likely is down to a spark issue, as she even stated "it doesnt feel like its firing on all 4"

Yet your first suggestion is a massive leap suggesingt that she may have put diesel into into het petrol car!! ... Are you even aware that diesel doesnt burn in a petrol.

She said the tank was nearly empty so if she did infact put diesel into it, the car would be dead within a mile or two!!!

Yet on the flip you could EASILY get away with putting a bit of petrol into a diesel car!! .... Infact i did it to a tdci focus to clear out the injectors and worked a treat.

If you think you can get away with diesel into petrol but not not petrol into diesel you havent got a CLUE!!


Apologies for typos; typing off my phone here

Duke of Speed

diesel will burn but the car will run very rough and be a bit smokey bad power I don't have to resort to insults we would all like to know how diesel would destroy a petrol car you made accusations now back them up tell us because i will tell you why it won't now this thread is here to help the person who started it not a bitch fest for you so stick to the thread

ION08

Duke of Speed wrote: »

diesel will burn but the car will run very rough and be a bit smokey i don't have to resort to insults we would all like to know how diesel would destroy a petrol car you made accusations now back them up tell us because i will tell you why it won't now this thread is here to help the person who started it not a bitch fest for you so stick to the thread

You told me running Diesel in a Petrol car would not ruin the engine but Petrol in a Diesel car will! That is an unbelievably Stupid statement!!!!

I dont even know where to start to explain how wrong you are and tbh im not even sure itd be worth it!

Do you even know that yhe nozzle of a diesel pump is larger than of a petrol and wont even fit into most petrol cars?

Duke of Speed

what do you work at because i have shown my hand and all you have done is OMG talk you were asked to prove now answer because i believe you haven't a clue as i said i build 700hp petrol engines for skylines subaru imprezza and evos. I have a1.5 glanza turbo running 420bhp at the moment from scratch with standalone ecu so i think I will have no bother correcting you come on explain to all here how it will fu.k it up

ION08

Duke of Speed wrote: »

what do you work at because i have shown my hand and all you have done is OMG talk you were asked to prove now answer because i believe you haven't a clue as i said i build 700hp petrol engines for skylines subaru imprezza and evos. I have a1.5 glanza turbo running 420bhp at the moment from scratch with standalone ecu so i think I will have no bother correcting you come on explain to all here how it will fu.k it up

Doesnt matter what i work at. Fact is Putting diesel into a petrol engine will do more damage than putting petrol into a diesel engine.


If you think putting petrol into a diesel engine is worse than putting diesel into a petrol engine youre wrong.

OP said the car was nearly empty when she filled up so if she had infact filled up with such a large quantity of diesel as you suggested ... The car would have started to plume smoke and came to a grinding halt!! ... Not just a small misfire as the OP stated.


Suggesting that she may have filled her petrol car up with diesel based on the symptoms/information given to us by the OP is seriously flawed and shows you havent got a clue.

Duke of Speed

be a man and tell us i think if you give advice it should come from someone qualified still posting with no facts and i think if you make a statement back it up its plain to see here your all talk and no facts.

Duke of Speed

kingaaa wrote: »

I got some petrol on the way into work this morning (tank was very low). the garage is right next to my job so I put €50 worth in and parked up in work. When I started it up at 2pm it was rough, as if not firing on all 4 rough, and the yellow engine light was on. Now I'm thinking dirty fuel because it happent so suddenly and I only had done 200 yards after refueling, but could it be more serious? The car was running fine before re-fueling. Are there any remedys/checks? obviously I cant get a diagnostic done today - and I need the car for work. Any help is appreciated.

let us know whats wrong out of curiosity open the petrol flap and see does it smell like petrol or syphon a drop out that should rule that one out

Duke of Speed

ion08 read this might educate you http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/fuels-and-environment/misfuelling.html

ION08

Duke of Speed wrote: »

let us know whats wrong out of curiosity open the petrol flap and see does it smell like petrol or syphon a drop out that should rule that one out

I can rule it out for you now if you like. I GUARANTEE you OP did not put diesel into her CLK.

If she had done, it would have been a little more problematic than a small misfire

ION08

Duke of Speed wrote: »

ion08 read this might educate you http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/fuels-and-environment/misfuelling.html

Yeah thats fair enough. I know FILLING a diesel car up with petrol and running it is detrimental, but you can get away with a small bit of petrol... Particularly if you further dilute it with diesel. - You wouldnt even notice! ... same cant be said for putting diesel into petrol.

Also thanks for the "educational" link. Do you have one now that explains what happens if you put diesel into petrol??

kona

Duke of Speed wrote: »

what do you work at because i have shown my hand and all you have done is OMG talk you were asked to prove now answer because i believe you haven't a clue as i said i build 700hp petrol engines for skylines subaru imprezza and evos.

That's a pretty poor return from a skyline tuned by somebody who has 35 years experience.

Duke of Speed wrote: »

I have a1.5 glanza turbo running 420bhp at the moment from scratch with standalone ecu so i think I will have no bother correcting you come on explain to all here how it will fu.k it up

Go to bed, 420 bhp from a 1.5 turbo!? You should apply to Renault f1.

Duke of Speed

thats all was needed or customer could afford check out east coast customs glanza talk is cheap another hurler om the ditch car runs on ethanol come down and see it if you like

Duke of Speed

a petrol engine only has fuel injectors fuel rail and a fuel pressure regulator and pump in the tank diesel has lubricating properties so it will not damage anything drain the tank replace the fuel filter remove the fuel rail and injectors clean rail and injectors ultrasonically wheres the problem the reason there was no article on diesel in petrol car as it does not cause damage otherwise there would be an explanation like the petrol in a diesel car

kona

Duke of Speed wrote: »

thats all was needed or customer could afford check out east coast customs glanza talk is cheap another hurler om the ditch car runs on ethanol come down and see it if you like

I'd say it's as useful as a chocolate dildo

I can find anything online about it, but if it is running that much power what's in it?

Duke of Speed

kona not to hijack this thread i can pm you photos as i can see you are a car enthusiast from your threads looking for a garage it has knife edge crank uprated con rods forged oversize low comp pistons full head work and cams 740cc injectors top mount new type garrett gt30 hx turbo on wepr manifold 3inch exhaust from turbo 2.4 bar boost link ecu with anti lag launch control on race fuel or ethanol and 70 shot of nos again apologies to thread starter

kona

Duke of Speed wrote: »

kona not to hijack this thread i can pm you photos as i can see you are a car enthusiast from your threads looking for a garage it has knife edge crank uprated con rods forged oversize low comp pistons full head work and cams 740cc injectors top mount new type garrett gt30 hx turbo on wepr manifold 3inch exhaust from turbo 2.4 bar boost link ecu with anti lag launch control on race fuel or ethanol and 70 shot of nos again apologies to thread starter

Yea send me a link sounds interesting!

Duke of Speed

no bother i will upload tomorrow evening on computer in garage nice to meet car enthusiasts and be friendly enough of bitching in the world

kona

Duke of Speed wrote: »

no bother i will upload tomorrow evening on computer in garage nice to meet car enthusiasts and be friendly enough of bitching in the world

Banter sure

kingaaa

Jesus, calm down lads.....it's a right bitch-fest going on !!!! No, I put petrol in, in fact I'm pretty sure a diesel pump nozzle wouldn't fit into my tank or most other makes.....I think thats the reason that petrol into a diesel is much more common. The car is getting towed to the garage this morning - I was talking to a Mercedes independent specialist based in Baskin Lane over the weekend and he seems fairly convinced that its the timing chain gone, I will post his findings.

Duke of Speed

no bother i just asked a question and it got personal forgot about smaller hole in the filler there not in a lot of jap cars i work on. ah don't worry about hysterics just banter us country lads usually leave our feelings at the door lol more things in life than cars, good to hear progress, keep us informed

ION08

kingaaa wrote: »

I put petrol in, in fact I'm pretty sure a diesel pump nozzle wouldn't fit into my tank or most other makes.

Oh would you look at that! :P Exactly what I said!

kingaaa

No bother lads....I actually went back to the petrol station to make sure as I'd thrown the receipt away - definitely petrol. My wife did fill up her diesel Kia Sedona once with petrol, I think the way it goes is that a petrol nozzle will fit into a diesel - but a diesel nozzle is too big for a petrol. Any way, fingers crossed its good news and just the timing chain......I will be totally distraught if its a new engine - I done about 5-7 miles with the engine light on, but the last time I started it I thought the engine was going to jump out of the car!!!

Duke of Speed

oh ion08 still waiting for the diesel fuc.ng the petrol engine explanation that was our bitchfest I never said that was his problem I asked him did he an was man enough to admit that i forgot about the filler now you have spouted nothing only hot air and said nothing enlightning car is not fixed yet time to get the popcorn out methinks and the stirring spoon lol

ION08

Duke of Speed wrote: »

oh ion08 still waiting for the diesel fuc.ng the petrol engine explanation that was our bitchfest I never said that was his problem I asked him did he an was man enough to admit that i forgot about the filler now you have spouted nothing only hot air and said nothing enlightning car is not fixed yet time to get the popcorn out methinks and the stirring spoon lol

Alright dukes of speed.

Fact is, incorrect fuelling is bad in either case.

You clearly didnt read the OP's post correctly, having suggested that she may have put diesel into her petrol car. (highly unlikely given the nozzle size but let's overlook that for the moment) - She said the tank was nearly empty and put €50 worth of fuel into it.

You then came along and suggested that she may have filled it with diesel, which in my opinion was way Over the top. Using your 35 years of experience in engine building or whatever, do you not think that filling an "almost empty" petrol CLK Kompressor engine with €50 worth of Diesel and driving it for a day will result in much more trouble than the car running a little rough and feeling like its not "firing on all 4 cylinders" ???

..Thats like somebody asking "hey I have a small cough does anyone know what it could be??".. and you coming along suggesting they may have "throat cancer" :rolleyes:

My second point is that I said putting diesel into petrol is worse than putting petrol into diesel. Lets face it, both scenarios are undesireable, but MY POINT WAS; that it's a lot easier to get away with putting a little bit of Petrol (5-10litres) into a diesel engine than vice versa. Do you not agree?? I'm sure you know, being the specialist that you are, that putting a BIT of petrol into a diesel engine is a common procedure for clearing out injectors, as I said, I did it to a Ford Focus TDCI that was running a little lumpy and it worked a treat (3 litres of petrol to 50 litres of diesel)

Also, something for you to throw your eyes over:

http://sciencefocus.com/qa/what%E2%80%99s-worse-%E2%80%93-putting-petrol-diesel-engine-or-diesel-petrol-engine

Look, I don't doubt the fact that if you were to completely FILL a car with the wrong fuel and drive it obliviously until it konked out, it might be easier/cheaper to rectify a Petrol engine than it would be to rectify a Diesel engine - but my point is that it's a lot easier to get away with filling a Diesel with a small amount of petrol and get away with it ( particularly if you keep diluting the mix) than it would be to get away with putting diesel into a petrol engine.

Of course all of this is trivial and dependant on what type of engine it is , modern diesel / older diesel , modern petrol kmopressor / old school naturally aspirated petrol engine and of course the incorrect fuel to correct fuel ration.

Anyway no point bickering over the internet about it- but I know I'd much rather "accidentaly" put a few litres of petrol into a diesel car than put a few litres of diesel into a petrol car if I were on a forecourt.

kingaaa

ION08 wrote: »

Alright dukes of speed.

Fact is, incorrect fuelling is bad in either case.

You clearly didnt read the OP's post correctly, having suggested that she may have put diesel into her petrol car. (highly unlikely given the nozzle size but let's overlook that for the moment) - She said the tank was nearly empty and put €50 worth of fuel into it.

You then came along and suggested that she may have filled it with diesel, which in my opinion was way Over the top. Using your 35 years of experience in engine building or whatever, do you not think that filling an "almost empty" petrol CLK Kompressor engine with €50 worth of Diesel and driving it for a day will result in much more trouble than the car running a little rough and feeling like its not "firing on all 4 cylinders" ???

..Thats like somebody asking "hey I have a small cough does anyone know what it could be??".. and you coming along suggesting they may have "throat cancer" :rolleyes:

My second point is that I said putting diesel into petrol is worse than putting petrol into diesel. Lets face it, both scenarios are undesireable, but MY POINT WAS; that it's a lot easier to get away with putting a little bit of Petrol (5-10litres) into a diesel engine than vice versa. Do you not agree?? I'm sure you know, being the specialist that you are, that putting a BIT of petrol into a diesel engine is a common procedure for clearing out injectors, as I said, I did it to a Ford Focus TDCI that was running a little lumpy and it worked a treat (3 litres of petrol to 50 litres of diesel)

Also, something for you to throw your eyes over:

http://sciencefocus.com/qa/what%E2%80%99s-worse-%E2%80%93-putting-petrol-diesel-engine-or-diesel-petrol-engine

Look, I don't doubt the fact that if you were to completely FILL a car with the wrong fuel and drive it obliviously until it konked out, it might be easier/cheaper to rectify a Petrol engine than it would be to rectify a Diesel engine - but my point is that it's a lot easier to get away with filling a Diesel with a small amount of petrol and get away with it ( particularly if you keep diluting the mix) than it would be to get away with putting diesel into a petrol engine.

Of course all of this is trivial and dependant on what type of engine it is , modern diesel / older diesel , modern petrol kmopressor / old school naturally aspirated petrol engine and of course the incorrect fuel to correct fuel ration.

Anyway no point bickering over the internet about it- but I know I'd much rather "accidentaly" put a few litres of petrol into a diesel car than put a few litres of diesel into a petrol car if I were on a forecourt.

Buddy, stop calling me "she" and may you two should consider starting you own thread???

ION08

kingaaa wrote: »

Buddy, stop calling me "she" and may you two should consider starting you own thread???

Haha, sorry.

Its just the name sounds kind of feminine and then, you do drive a CLK

[Joking]

spiggotpaddy

About 40 cars broke down after refueling at the weekend here in laois, water in the petrol apparently. A neighbour was sucking petrol from his car, he said the petrol station were willing to pay for any garage repairs.

Toyotafanboi

kona wrote: »

Go to bed, 420 bhp from a 1.5 turbo!? You should apply to Renault f1.

not going to say "plenty" but there is definitely a handful of people running 300+bhp from 1.3 turbo starlets on TOC and countless running 200+ so i wouldn't see 400 as un-achievable, not easy perhaps but far from impossible.

Duke of Speed

well i apologized kingaa and told kona i will pm him and we are off in to the sunset. A new thread would be a good idea for car enthusiasts we have to watch out for the keyboard warriors lol