Moving back to Ireland?

maninasia

old hippy wrote: »

Negativity is in the eye of the beholder. I'd say it's a brave and positive move going out to Australia and the negativity is all this homesick bobbins people trot out. INHO, of course.

It's not negativity but reality that the OP needs to hear. The points have been made, moving from Australia to Ireland would most likely be the wrong move in terms of his family's living standards and savings.


I sometimes look at moving back, but I'm always put off by the lack of confidence in what would happen. I could probably get a job, but then I might lose it again a year later (heard a lot of short-term contracts now). Also how long would it take me to get a job? Then you've got increased taxes all the time and stagnating pay and a rather high cost of living. Rent in Dublin would be a killer, 3 times what I'm paying now after looking into it. Most of the services and taxes are also 2 times what I'm used to paying. It means you don't have much disposable income even when you have a job, that's probably the biggest concern!

_Kaiser_

Idbatterim wrote: »

these are definetly the glass half empty views, let me play devils advocate!

Sure. Without differing views this would be a very quiet place

(for most this is true BUT this is coming from a time where even your average joe soap was living the high life, the standard of living is still very high)

I'd imagine that's only because a lot of people are living on overdrafts or credit cards or savings and paying off just enough every month to keep the banks off their backs

Unemployment is high, but not what I would call sky high, i.e. the 25% area like spain and greece, also unemployment has been falling and is at its lowest levels in quite some time...

Reduction in unemployment levels is a questionable one as it doesn't factor in the impact of jobsbridge schemes, emigration or training that are used to fudge the true numbers. While yes there are countries worse off, it's still unacceptably high.

Seeing as we dont know what field you are in, I wont elaborate on this point.

I'm an IT manager myself and have done a bit of hiring in the last 12 months. We got a load of applications.. many of which were obviously people throwing darts but they still had to be reviewed, and very few actually were Irish as it happens.

I lose about a third of my net monthly income to the various charges and taxes and if I had a pension plan, property and VHI I dread to think what I'd be left with.

If they dont get it through the property tax, they will get it from cuts or increases somewhere else, its a zero sum game. Deducting it from source I 100% agree with. For once they get something right, with no messing around and people take issue with it?....

I take issue with it not because I think property taxes are necessarily a bad thing, but because the money that's collected won't benefit the local economy or country at all - it'll either be used to pay off socialised private debts or pi$$ed away in The Palace, Amazon/Elara/eBay or the weekly Tesco shop

this would apply to everywhere Id imagine

Maybe but we're starting at an already far higher point in a lot of cases thanks to things like inflated one-way rents, fuel duty, "because we can" greed etc

Yes, but I think its only one more austere budget after this, there is light at the end of the tunnel

Come on.. you don't REALLY think that this will all be fixed in 2 years do you? There's only one more austerity budget because the next general election is in 2016 - expect a not-quite-giveaway-but-vote-buying-nonetheless budget in 2015.

ChrisM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

plenty of work in Ireland if you can find it and have the right qualifications and experience (key)

too many negative people around here

Unroftunately, plenty of people in this country have every right to be negative.

halkar

Home is not where you were born, but where you eat and live.
Stay where you are until you save enough to support you and your family at least a year here if you return.

NoNewFriends

It seems most Irish people move abroad for work with long-term intentions of returning to the auld sod, and this is what prevents them setting down deep roots in their new community. Why? I don't know. As has been outlined in Kaiser2000's post, Irish culture is not one that appeals to me very much (the gombeen who-ya-know culture). I spent 2 years abroad in a non-English speaking country and have only recently returned to Ireland. The job was a 2 year contract with no option for extension, unfortunately. But I come home fluent in a new language, 2 years more experience, some life-long friends made abroad, and a more sophisticated palate It's baffling that Ireland is still accepting uneducated third world immigrants when there are not enough jobs for the natives. National suicide.

old hippy

NoNewFriends wrote: »

It seems most Irish people move abroad for work with long-term intentions of returning to the auld sod, and this is what prevents them setting down deep roots in their new community. Why? I don't know. As has been outlined in Kaiser2000's post, Irish culture is not one that appeals to me very much (the gombeen who-ya-know culture). I spent 2 years abroad in a non-English speaking country and have only recently returned to Ireland. The job was a 2 year contract with no option for extension, unfortunately. But I come home fluent in a new language, 2 years more experience, some life-long friends made abroad, and a more sophisticated palate It's baffling that Ireland is still accepting uneducated third world immigrants when there are not enough jobs for the natives. National suicide.

Interesting post, I was going to say travel broadens the mind, until I read the last bit.

creedp

old hippy wrote: »

Interesting post, I was going to say travel broadens the mind, until I read the last bit.

Maybe that's why so many Irish go to Australia

laffindevil

Where is the OP to provide more information based on the replies people have given to date??

maninasia

old hippy wrote: »

Interesting post, I was going to say travel broadens the mind, until I read the last bit.

Well wait till the Romanians and Bulgarians come in next. They are basically third world countries.

There's also a lot of illegal immigrants in Dublin, but that's a different matter.

old hippy

maninasia wrote: »

Well wait till the Romanians and Bulgarians come in next. They are basically third world countries.

There's also a lot of illegal immigrants in Dublin, but that's a different matter.

I don't know what either country is actually like but I do have some Romanian friends here in London. They are good people. And they love the Irish.

Maura74

old hippy wrote: »

I don't know what either country is actually like but I do have some Romanian friends here in London. They are good people. And they love the Irish.

I am sure there are some good Romanians but they are already in the UK and causing a lot of problems for millionaires that are in government that are in at present.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/illegal-romanian-migrants-sleeping-rough-cleared-from-londons-marble-arch


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/romanian-gypsies-back-at-marble-arch-days-after-raid-cleared-the-area-8727334.html


http://www.lbc.co.uk/romanians-living-rough-at-marble-arch-rising-73088

This the UK way of dealing with illegal immergrants....they are in hot water becasue of it.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/08/media-immigrant-go-home-van

http://www.channel4.com/news/anti-immigration-home-office-van-campaign-advertising-asa

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23545955

road_high

old hippy wrote: »

Interesting post, I was going to say travel broadens the mind, until I read the last bit.

And it's just so true. Of course "you can't say things like that" nowadays for fear of offending the PC brigade. These are the questions that need to be asked though.

road_high

maninasia wrote: »

Well wait till the Romanians and Bulgarians come in next. They are basically third world countries.

There's also a lot of illegal immigrants in Dublin, but that's a different matter.

Yep. The flood gates will open, it's shocking. Export our best and brightest. Import some more scrounging Roma gypsies....

robp

old hippy wrote: »

I don't know what either country is actually like but I do have some Romanian friends here in London. They are good people. And they love the Irish.

Being a good person doesn't give you a right to live anywhere you want. A huge proportion of people who desire reduced immigration don't question that they are good people. Of course these decisions are not made by popular vote. If they were things would be very different.

maninasia

road_high wrote: »

Yep. The flood gates will open, it's shocking. Export our best and brightest. Import some more scrounging Roma gypsies....

I don't agree with the focus on gypsies here. Are you a drunken Irishman?

I stand for a rational immigration policy based on a points system just like Canada and Australia, but not a racist immigration policy.

maninasia

old hippy wrote: »

I don't know what either country is actually like but I do have some Romanian friends here in London. They are good people. And they love the Irish.

It's nothing to do with being good people, don't be lazy in your associations.

It's to do with having an immigration policy that is sustainable and advantageous to our nation.

FTA69

maninasia wrote: »

Well wait till the Romanians and Bulgarians come in next. They are basically third world countries.

There's also a lot of illegal immigrants in Dublin, but that's a different matter.

The Romanians and Bulgarians wouldn't come to Ireland because there is no work for them to do. Even in the UK we were told horror stories about floods of Romanians and Bulgarians and it hasn't materialised in any huge sense. There are a good number of those nationalities working away here in London, mostly in the lower levels of construction but there hasn't been a "flood" by any means. Most of them go to Germany anyway.

Why you think they'd come to a country with zero jobs and a flat-lining construction industry is beyond me. They aren't stupid like.

FTA69

Maura74 wrote: »

I am sure there are some good Romanians but they are already in the UK and causing a lot of problems for millionaires that are in government that are in at present.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/illegal-romanian-migrants-sleeping-rough-cleared-from-londons-marble-arch


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/romanian-gypsies-back-at-marble-arch-days-after-raid-cleared-the-area-8727334.html


http://www.lbc.co.uk/romanians-living-rough-at-marble-arch-rising-73088

Jesus this chestnut again. Why are so many Irish people incapable of acknowledging the fact that Romanians and Roma gypsies are entirely different ethnicities. Most Roma don't even come from Romania anyway and the gypsy population here is a tiny percentage of that of the Romanian, Hungarian, Czech and Bulgarian population here.

robp

FTA69 wrote: »

The Romanians and Bulgarians wouldn't come to Ireland because there is no work for them to do. Even in the UK we were told horror stories about floods of Romanians and Bulgarians and it hasn't materialised in any huge sense. There are a good number of those nationalities working away here in London, mostly in the lower levels of construction but there hasn't been a "flood" by any means. Most of them go to Germany anyway.

Why you think they'd come to a country with zero jobs and a flat-lining construction industry is beyond me. They aren't stupid like.

The movement into Britain has already been described as an 'unexpected uptake' and the labour market is not even fully open yet. This only includes those with jobs.

The mainstream German media has not exactly been positive either. Out of Bulgaria and Romania: Wave of Immigrants Overwhelms German System
Interior Minister: Germany to Deport 'Poverty Immigrants'

FTA69

robp wrote: »

The movement into Britain has already been described as an 'unexpected uptake' and the labour market is not even fully open yet. This only includes those with jobs.

And yet they constitute a third of a percentage of those in employment in Britain. Similarly the vast majority of migrants from Eastern Europe work, pay tax and also claim very little on the whole due to the fact they are young, healthy and live in private rented accommodation. In effect, they are net contributors to the economy as opposed to this massive burden they're often made out to be.

Love2u

Stay where you are, there is nothing on offer in Ireland right now and I'm willing to bet if your wife came back here to live she too would soon realise that and regret it. I would give anything to be in Australia right now. Good luck with it.

robp

FTA69 wrote: »

And yet they constitute a third of a percentage of those in employment in Britain. Similarly the vast majority of migrants from Eastern Europe work, pay tax and also claim very little on the whole due to the fact they are young, healthy and live in private rented accommodation. In effect, they are net contributors to the economy as opposed to this massive burden they're often made out to be.

The same could be said of almost all migrants or even population increase. Yet I don't think that would change people's minds. Creating more demand isn't a substitute for proper economic policy.

old hippy

maninasia wrote: »

It's nothing to do with being good people, don't be lazy in your associations.

It's to do with having an immigration policy that is sustainable and advantageous to our nation.

Lazy? I remind you of your post "Well wait till the Romanians and Bulgarians come in next"...

Borboletinha

Is this the economy forum? The last two pages could have been taken out of an after hours thread.