Culchies vs Jackeen's

DEFTLEFTHAND

Why is there such a division between the two, I've often pondered it growing up in a small Tipperary town. I remember Tipp played Dublin in the 2011 All Ireland semi final and every one in my local club scoffed and said those fcuking Jackeens aren't able to hurl. The fact they were Dubs seemed to incense certain people.

But then you have culchies who go to college in Dublin and immerse themselves in the city and pick up the UCD/Trinner Mid Atlantic accent. I've lived in it and enjoyed myself. There's some real characters out there.

I think the culchies have a bit of an inferiority complex.

MadsL

*Insert comment insulting culchies*

Skill Magill

It'd be like explaining the the difference between Jackie Healy Rae and David Norris.

Dostoevsky

Jackeens.

old_aussie

All comes back to cellular level.

Jesus Wept

People from Dublin do not think about. End of.

Optimalprimerib

Andy Carroll wrote: »

People from Dublin do not think about. End of.

People from dublin think about it more than us culchies.

Turtyturd

It's a bit simple to say Dublin people and all culchies. I think both Dubliners and Culchies from others counties can find some common ground in disliking Cork.

Jesus Wept

Optimalprimerib wrote: »

People from dublin think about it more than us culchies.

That is nonsense.

KingOfFairview

Dubs resent culchies cause we spend the early part of our lives being bossed around by them (nGardai, teachers, at least one parent). Culchies resent us because as much of a hellhole as Dublin is, deep down they know its better than the poxy little village they live in.

PizzamanIRL

KingOfFairview wrote: »

Dubs resent culchies cause we spend the early part of our lives being bossed around by them (nGardai, teachers, at least one parent). Culchies resent us because as much of a hellhole as Dublin is, deep down they know its better than the poxy little village they live in.

Not everyone outside of dublin live in villages or are farmers. I always think its funny when a dub says 'Go feed you cows' to anyone who doesn't live in Dublin.

Fr_Dougal

Skill Magill wrote: »

It'd be like explaining the the difference between Jackie Healy Rae and David Norris.

The family of David Norris hail from Co. Laois if I'm not mistaken, and he himself was born in the Congo.

You'll have to go again.

Cee-Jay-Cee

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

Not everyone outside of dublin live in villages or are farmers. I always think its funny when a dub says 'Go feed you cows' to anyone who doesn't live in Dublin.

To which you reply "I already fed yer Ma, do you want me to feed her again" ...and then the fight starts.

KingOfFairview

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

Not everyone outside of dublin live in villages or are farmers. I always think its funny when a dub says 'Go feed you cows' to anyone who doesn't live in Dublin.

Yeah, but they don't like in a sprawling, multicultural metropolis like us

John_Rambo

Optimalprimerib wrote: »

People from dublin think about it more than us culchies.

Watch how many bitter people will log on to bitch about Dublin then. Don't forget most Dubliners holiday all over the island, but most rural folk won't holiday in Dublin.

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

The family of David Norris hail from Co. Laois if I'm not mistaken, and he himself was born in the Congo.

So what? The capital has lots of adopted people from everywhere in the world that ad to the city and it's culture. And they are welcome.

oldyouth

Have you noticed how quickly culchies (particularly girls) adopt the D4 accent as soon as they spend some time in Dublin. They can't wait to shake off their culchie heritage.

Fr_Dougal

John_Rambo wrote: »

Watch how many bitter people will log on to bitch about Dublin then. Don't forget most Dubliners holiday all over the island, but most rural folk won't holiday in Dublin.



So what? The capital has lots of adopted people from everywhere in the world that ad to the city and it's culture. And they are welcome.

Cork is the real capital. :rolleyes:

greenpilot

oldyouth wrote: »

Have you noticed how quickly culchies (particularly girls) adopt the D4 accent as soon as they spend some time in Dublin. They can't wait to shake off their culchie heritage.

That's called infiltration. They then destroy the scumbag gene in the Jackeens by marrying one.

Wibbs

KingOfFairview wrote: »

Dubs resent culchies cause we spend the early part of our lives being bossed around by them (nGardai, teachers, at least one parent).

One parent? Pfft blow in. If any of your great grandparents were from beyond the Pale, get outa my town.

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

Not everyone outside of dublin live in villages or are farmers. I always think its funny when a dub says 'Go feed you cows' to anyone who doesn't live in Dublin.

+1, could never get this one either. There's a bit of a gulf between a suburban Corkonian and someone living up a boreen in Leitrim. These days with communications being soooo much better that gulf if it exists is tiny. It's not so long ago you'd have houses with no phones or even electricity outside the cities. In my lifetime there was quite the cultural diff between the urban and the very rural.

I have noticed resentment between the two groups alright. I found more coming from Culchies though. I would say there was an inferiority complex thing going on, especially back in the day. One that was fostered by the townies though and that is were the resentment lies(and understandably so).

KingOfFairview

oldyouth wrote: »

Have you noticed how quickly culchies (particularly girls) adopt the D4 accent as soon as they spend some time in Dublin. They can't wait to shake off their culchie heritage.

Big time. And despise and fear the working class. They are the social Nuevo riche

Wibbs

oldyouth wrote: »

Have you noticed how quickly culchies (particularly girls) adopt the D4 accent as soon as they spend some time in Dublin. They can't wait to shake off their culchie heritage.

That has a loooong history. On the back of the large migration from rural Ireland to the cities(particularly Dublin) back in the 50's and 60's, Ireland had the highest number of elocution teachers in the west. Mammies and daddies eager to dilute the record of their background in their kids, particularly their daughters(women are more socially mobile). First the aped an odd received english home counties accent, then threw the mid Atlantic drawl in somewhere in the mid 80's. After shíte like the Hills series there was an accent arms race among young women to see who could sound as nasally drawn out as possible.

Wibbs

I will admit speaking as a Jackeen*/Dub if I happen to catch a glimpse of something like RTE's Up for the match it's a completely alien world to me and I'd admit further one I find vaguely embarrassing and indeed laughable.










*the jackeen bit is another resentment nerve. Comes from Union Jack, ie the dubs were waving same. We weren't quite Irish enough. The modern version is being called west brits. The joke was when the queen of England had a visit, she was able to go walkabout in the rebel county Cork, yet in west brit Dublin any of the public who wanted to glimpse this head of modern soap opera had to do so from 100 feet away across masses of cops and barriers.

Rasheed

I find it funny that to Dubs, anyone outside their borders is a culchie. There are some from bigger towns and cities that would eat you if you called them a culchie!

Legs.Eleven

Optimalprimerib wrote: »

People from dublin think about it more than us culchies.

They really, really don't. Believe me.

Legs.Eleven

Rasheed wrote: »

I find it funny that to Dubs, anyone outside their borders is a culchie. There are some from bigger towns and cities that would eat you if you called them a culchie!

Anyone from outside Dublin CITY is a Cuilche even if they're within the parameters of Dublin. Me, for example.


My observation is that it's a joke to Dubs but some Cuilches take it very, very seriously and there's genuine dislike there. I've had some bad experiences in the past.

wendell borton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T54TU8bsj8

Max Power1

Jackeen's what?

KingOfFairview

Rasheed wrote: »

I find it funny that to Dubs, anyone outside their borders is a culchie. There are some from bigger towns and cities that would eat you if you called them a culchie!

Not anyone, some are nordies

St.Spodo

KingOfFairview wrote: »

Not anyone, some are nordies

Indeed. Having a Monaghan or Donegal accent makes you not a culchie in the eyes of a lot of Dubs for some reason.

Rasheed

KingOfFairview wrote: »

Not anyone, some are nordies

Fair enough. I'm a culchie, couldn't get much more bogger. When I went to college, there were girls from cities like Galway and Cork that horrified to be considered as culchie as me by the Dublin girls. I mean disgusted!

Legs.Eleven

Rasheed wrote: »

Fair enough. I'm a culchie, couldn't get much more bogger. When I went to college, there were girls from cities like Galway and Cork that horrified to be considered as culchie as me by the Dublin girls. I mean disgusted!

They shouldn't take it so seriously. I certainly am not offended to be called a Union Jack-waving British Royal Family lover when my own grandad fought within the IRB and have zero interest or like for them.

mcwinning

Wibbs wrote: »

I will admit speaking as a Jackeen*/Dub if I happen to catch a glimpse of something like RTE's Up for the match it's a completely alien world to me and I'd admit further one I find vaguely embarrassing and indeed laughable. [/I]

Up for the match is really cringe inducing, it's like some of the people on it go out of their way to be the most extreme stereotype in the audience.

bohsboy

The worst sort of culchie is the one that lives in dublin. Sickens them that we are welcoming to anyone coming to our city. Compare that to a Dub moving outside of Dublin. Treated with contempt.

dd972

I think a lot of it is down to the schism of Dublin being the only major centre of population comparable to a London or an Amsterdam.

There's more of a variant of Dubliner to me than the sort of people that you get outside the pale.

Plus also I've met Dublin born people of Culchie parentage who are naturally less Dublincentric than other Dubs.

All generalisations of course, wherever you were randomly born or raised, who says that you have to eat, sleep, drink and breathe that particular place for the rest of your life?

Yamanoto

bohsboy wrote: »

The worst sort of culchie is the one that lives Dublin. Sickens them that we are welcoming to anyone coming to our city. Compare that to a Dub moving outside of Dublin. Treated with contempt.

Hasn't been my experience tbh.

Moving down from Dublin a few years ago, we had several neighbours calling in to introduce themselves & impart useful advice and local knowledge, which made the transition (and culture shock) a whole heap easier to handle.

When you make a move such as that, there's always the fear that it won't compare favourably to the life you had, but within a week of arriving in Co. Kilkenny, we knew we'd be happy here.

Vita nova

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Anyone from outside Dublin CITY is a Cuilche even if they're within the parameters of Dublin. Me, for example.


My observation is that it's a joke to Dubs but some Cuilches take it very, very seriously and there's genuine dislike there. I've had some bad experiences in the past.

In the real world (not AH!!!), it's extremely rare for Dubliners to use the term Culchie in the presence of non-Dubliners. I've heard it used about 4 times in over 40 years of living and working in and around Dublin. I've never, never, heard Dubliners use it in the workplace, and my Dublin friends never use it to me. The only people who use it are from outside Dublin but that's in a self-deprecating, self-identifying way.


I would put Dubliners who use culchie into the same category as British people who use the term paddy for Irish people. It may be used as a joke some or most of the time, but it's still a synonym for country bumpkin and hick, and is about as funny as a British paddy-joke.

McCrack

Yamanoto wrote: »

Hasn't been my experience tbh.

Moving down from Dublin a few years ago, we had several neighbours calling in to introduce themselves & impart useful advice and local knowledge, which made the transition (and culture shock) a whole heap easier to handle.

When you make a move such as that, there's always the fear that it won't compare favourably to the life you had, but within a week of arriving in Co. Kilkenny, we knew we'd be happy here.

Culture shock outside dublin.....At what point when you were driving down the M9 did this shock set in?

McCrack

Vita nova wrote: »

In the real world (not AH!!!), it's extremely rare for Dubliners to use the term Culchie in the presence of non-Dubliners. I've heard it used about 4 times in over 40 years of living and working in and around Dublin. I've never, never, heard Dubliners use it in the workplace, and my Dublin friends never use it to me. The only people who use it are from outside Dublin but that's in a self-deprecating, self-identifying way.


I would put Dubliners who use culchie into the same category as British people who use the term paddy for Irish people. It may be used as a joke some or most of the time, but it's still a synonym for country bumpkin and hick, and is about as funny as a British paddy-joke.

We tend to say redneck.

Yamanoto

McCrack wrote: »

Culture shock outside dublin.....At what point when you were driving down the M9 did this shock set in?

You don't believe there's an element of culture-shock involved, when moving from a city to a small rural community?

Wibbs

mcwinning wrote: »

Up for the match is really cringe inducing, it's like some of the people on it go out of their way to be the most extreme stereotype in the audience.

+1000. It's an affront to rural Ireland IMH. You'll hear many of same agreeing with that.

Vita nova wrote: »

In the real world (not AH!!!), it's extremely rare for Dubliners to use the term Culchie in the presence of non-Dubliners.

I disagree. I've heard the term among all strata of Dublin society commonly enough too. 90% in a jokey way too.

I would put Dubliners who use culchie into the same category as British people who use the term paddy for Irish people. It may be used as a joke some or most of the time, but it's still a synonym for country bumpkin and hick, and is about as funny as a British paddy-joke.

So you're a culshie then? As you point out people from beyond the pale often use it themselves in a self-deprecating, self-identifying jokey way. Isn't there even a culshie of the year competition? Bogger on the other hand is designed as an insult.

everdead.ie

From Galway city and I have never heard the term jackeen used certainly to me it seems there is a bit of a siege mentality there though from both sides anyone that says its one side more than the other is wrong though.

McCrack

Yamanoto wrote: »

You don't believe there's an element of culture-shock involved, when moving from a city to a small rural community?

No I don't. You do and I'd be curious to know what you found culturally shocking when moving out of Dublin to Co. Kilkenny.

Wibbs

everdead.ie wrote: »

From Galway city and I have never heard the term jackeen used certainly to me

I haven't heard the term myself in many a year. Growing up I found it more common, but not today.

WesternZulu

Wibbs wrote: »

I will admit speaking as a Jackeen*/Dub if I happen to catch a glimpse of something like RTE's Up for the match it's a completely alien world to me and I'd admit further one I find vaguely embarrassing and indeed laughable.[/I]

It's not just you, as someone who is a 'culchie' and into GAA I find Up for the Match embarrassing and laughable.

It's stuck in some sort of time warp!

Legs.Eleven

everdead.ie wrote: »

From Galway city and I have never heard the term jackeen used certainly to me it seems there is a bit of a siege mentality there though from both sides anyone that says its one side more than the other is wrong though.

Not so much the words as I personally would take them all with a pinch of salt but the attitude of some people. I've been treated with nothing short of contempt by some people outside Dublin, even when I've met Irish outside Ireland for the simple fact that I was raised (not born!) within the parameters of Dublin.

No doubt people from outside Dublin have experienced the same. These people are fools, plain and simple.

Thing is, I've been away for so long and I identify myself as Irish and not a Dub (except when watching GAA). You realise how stupid it all is when you move away and you see the size and insignificance of Ireland from a distance but yet I'm still hesitant when someone from outside Dublin asks me where I'm from expecting a negative reaction.


It's even worse here in Spain. The place is so regionalised to the point of stupidity. No sense of unity or harmony here at all and some genuine hatred here (Madrid V Barcelona, for example). Again being a foreigner and seeing the bigger picture, you realise how fooking retarded it all is. At least we have some kind of unity in our own country.

Israeli Superiority

Wibbs wrote: »

I haven't heard the term myself in many a year. Growing up I found it more common, but not today.

Heard it a lot back in the '90s, but it seems to have died out along with skobe.

Sam Kade

bohsboy wrote: »

The worst sort of culchie is the one that lives in dublin. Sickens them that we are welcoming to anyone coming to our city. Compare that to a Dub moving outside of Dublin. Treated with contempt.

I don't get this Dublin v the rest of the country nonsense.

becost

Turtyturd wrote: »

It's a bit simple to say Dublin people and all culchies. I think both Dubliners and Culchies from others counties can find some common ground in disliking Cork.

Culchies and Scangers are exactly the same. Both aggressive low intelligence inbreds. Only real difference is one lives in a flat complex and the other on a farm. Regarding people from various parts of the country that slag off Cork, theirs a saying; "when you're on the top, people will always try to knock you down". :pac:

Yamanoto

McCrack wrote: »

No I don't. You do and I'd be curious to know what you found culturally shocking when moving out of Dublin to Co. Kilkenny.

I didn't say I found anything to be culturally shocking -that's an entirely different matter to experiencing culture shock as most would understand the term.

cul·ture shock
Noun
The feeling of disorientation experienced by someone who is suddenly subjected to an unfamiliar culture, way of life, or set of attitudes.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

I think it's more a city v counry mentally and it happens all over the world. In a lot of coutnries the captial city is seen as less "national" or traditional than the rest of the country and said country tends to cling to their traditions.

That said, I rarely hear the term culchie and never hear jackeen. However, it's when someone regurgitates "West Brit" you know you're deaing with an ignorant moron.

McCrack

Yamanoto wrote: »

I didn't say I found anything to be culturally shocking -that's an entirely different matter to experiencing culture shock as most would understand the term.

Ok so going on that definition of culture shock are you saying after moving from Dublin to Kilkenny you felt disorientated from experiencing an unfamiliar culture, way of life and/or set of attitudes?

And if you're not saying that what exactly are you saying because I'm a little stumped.