Motor Tax, Off the Road & Garda Stamp

Red Pepper

My motor tax is out since Feb. The car has been "off the road".
I plan to get the Garda to stamp my motor tax renewal form to confirm it has been off the road since Feb. So I am expecting March/April/May/June to be exempt when I go to motor tax office.

I hear the rules have changed on this "loophole" and I need to do this before July ends.
My question is: How do I prove I was off the road to the Garda or is he/she likely to ask for proof?

Any other advice before I get the stamp?

corktina

first you have until September to make your declaration and secondly , the Gard is only witnessing you declaring it was off the road, you don't have to prove it. If he/she wants to check up on it, it's up to them to do what they will (they may check on PULSE, provided you are on the level, that's not a problem)

just to recap, if you are taxing it from 1 august you do form RF101A in the usual way...if it will be still off the road in August you also do form RF150 to cover future months

Red Pepper

Would Pulse only show incidences where you were caught speeding or got a parking fine or some such?

corktina

i don't know. They may record roadblock stops but I doubt it. Maybe they record cars behaving suspiciously and that sort of thing?

OldmanMondeo

Red Pepper wrote: »

Would Pulse only show incidences where you were caught speeding or got a parking fine or some such?

Pulse would only show what was entered into the system, you "could" have been driving everyday and never came to notice. Since car is out so long I bet they will check. See it before, anything over 2 / 3 months they will check.

corktina

it's a fair bet they are swamped with people making declarations so it's a fair bet they will
either will check everything or nothing

jamesr123

Red Pepper wrote: »

Would Pulse only show incidences where you were caught speeding or got a parking fine or some such?

Pulse will show any fines/penalty points you have recieved. As said a few times on this forum, If stopped by gardai they will most likely record your details in the notebook, but it's unlikely it will end up on pulse if they were just checking to see who you are.

I was stopped on several occassions and still signed the car off road and nothing was said to me. I know that they defo record fines/penalty point offenses though.

Red Pepper

corktina wrote: »

it's a fair bet they are swamped with people making declarations so it's a fair bet they will
either will check everything or nothing

They stamped it without even thinking about it. I doubt they even looked at my name.

jamesr123

Red Pepper wrote: »

They stamped it without even thinking about it. I doubt they even looked at my name.

some will/some won't. I went into my local a few months ago and they checked every single person in the que:eek:.

Soarer

Maybe you should've kept it off the road for another week and you would've saved yourself a month's tax (July)?

aujopimur

The old off road systemis valid until the end of June, I had one witnessed today, I had to show DL for ID.
BTW it was genuinely off the road, not like the old days, 3months / 3 months off.

corktina

september, not june

aujopimur

It says July on motortax.ie, maybe I misread it.

corktina

three months grace...july, august september as far as I know

norrie_1001

Garda stamped form only covers you up until the end of June. If you are taxing your car you will be liable for arrears from motor tax office if you have not made the new declaration to them that it would be off the road for July/August/September.

corktina

yes, THIS MONTH...obviously the Gard isn't going to stamp it in advance....but next month you can declare on a RF101 until end of july and so on. You have to make sure your Rf101 and RF150 tie up so do them both at the end of the month and send them in together.

RF101s not usable after end of sept. In other words you can declare at the end of sept on a 101 and then from 1 oct on a rf150

I did mine and the tax office were very helpful when i had done the 101 too early...

Red Pepper

What do I need to bring to the motor tax office besides the stamped form and my drivers license to get the new tax cert?

aujopimur

Red Pepper wrote: »

What do I need to bring to the motor tax office besides the stamped form and my drivers license to get the new tax cert?

All you need is the form and payment.

vermin99

Can anyone post a link or give me a link to download rf101??? Need to have it done bu the end of the week ?!

darragh o meara

vermin99 wrote: »

Can anyone post a link or give me a link to download rf101??? Need to have it done bu the end of the week ?!

Google the document number. It'll be one of the first items it finds.

downonthefarm

can u not let on the car was off the road anymore?

corktina

downonthefarm wrote: »

can u not let on the car was off the road anymore?

yes you can, those who have been operating the old "three on three off" system can carry on just as before. In this case what you do is wait until January and then tax the car for three months....it'll be alright , trust me.:cool:

aujopimur

vermin99 wrote: »

Can anyone post a link or give me a link to download rf101??? Need to have it done bu the end of the week ?!

Motortax.ie

downonthefarm

the longest i left it was a year,but was never stopped and just had to do evasive manouvers once

Red Pepper

downonthefarm wrote: »

the longest i left it was a year,but was never stopped and just had to do evasive manouvers once

I got through 3 checkpoints without tax! They just waved me on. I either got lucky or I have an honest face. They seem to target the vans and bigger cars for inspection.
It was exciting but I did want to try out my "woe is me" excuse.

Fred Swanson

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corktina

saw one yesterday in rural Rathduff (N20)

Fred Swanson

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Hateart

Again ireland is going down the drain, the civil servants come up with more bull and unthought out schemes , they even at this stage have no on line facility, its under way they state, just like the scheme it's not thought out and typical of the kind of crap they think up, how can you know in advance when your engine or gearbox will blow up, or your cars suspension disintegrates on the pot holed roads in ireland or a garage tries to rob you and because you have no job no money you can't fix your car, but the no good TD says tax your car and makes up a system even the department don't know how it works. This is on top of the bull that went on last year with van tax, and the co2 emissions joke, one pal has a Audi estate 3.0 diesel 08 costs 2600 per year 2007 car exact same model is 1300 ! Man, between-the cost of petrol insurance tax service and then the speeding fines clamping parking prices car prices road chips potholes road signs speed camera vans garda cars hiding on slip roads 30 km in dublin city the banks the legal profession the dail, pubs all closed , taxis drivin by people from god knows where, and the lies we are told by politicians daily, its enough to make a person sick, now they say tell us 3 months in advance if your car is off the road, jaysus I can't say if I will be eating three months from now or even where I will be living let alone where my car will be !

corktina

Feel better now?

if your engine blows up your car will be taxed at that point and you can declare it off road when it expires*. When you've got it fixed you can tax it, which nullifies the SORD and put it back on the road.

It's a simple system made necessary by all those taking the p1ss with the old system, blame them, not officialdom.

* you don't have to give three months notice, I don't know where you got that from

mullingar

Hateart wrote: »

...... one pal has a Audi estate 3.0 diesel 08 costs 2600 per year 2007 car exact same model is 1300 ! ......

Eh???

A 3.0 diesel on old system is €1494
The maximum tax on any car under the newer CO2 system is €2350 (Band G).

And I doubt a 3.0TDI is anywhere near that CO2 Tax band

Guy:Incognito

The best part of that rant was keithsfleet thanking it. Presumably without reading it just because it was a " ****ing government/bankers/troika" type post despite the fact its full of false infprmation.

Hateart

Who cares about a few hundred now anyway, its all going down hill. And no one knows what the hell this system is about or how it will or can work in practice, its the government that are full of false information, so what ? € 2350 or €2600 a year road tax, its crazy, they are trying a UK system with our draconian motor tax rates still applied here, so regarding false information, it maybe not the precise rates but its not false, the system is a mess and getting worse, I am off to buy a tractor, red diesel low tax cheap insurance no test , and I quite possibly can get a grant to buy it.

westdub

Hateart wrote: »

I am off to buy a tractor, red diesel low tax cheap insurance no test , and I quite possibly can get a grant to buy it.

Let us know how you get on with using red diesel.....

Sam Russell

westdub wrote: »

Let us know how you get on with using red diesel.....

Isn't it green diesel you get a grant for?

Hateart

Yes but you can buy red vat free in north and burn it in a tractor in the south no problem, and if I buy a four track machine I can go into the haulage business without all the haulage licence crap that the lads need go through, and I never saw a parking clamp for a tractor. Might even buy my tractor in the UK and pay €80 vrt . And I think I can park in good vehicle parking bays.

Sam Russell

I remeber CIE used to use agricultural tractors for delivering parcels etc. (a long time ago).

westdub

Hateart wrote: »

Yes but you can buy red vat free in north and burn it in a tractor in the south no problem, and if I buy a four track machine I can go into the haulage business without all the haulage licence crap that the lads need go through, and I never saw a parking clamp for a tractor. Might even buy my tractor in the UK and pay €80 vrt . And I think I can park in good vehicle parking bays.

Bull Poop.....

ROAD HAULAGE LICENCE
S.I. No. 60 of 1991, European Communities (Merchandise Road Transport) Regulations, as amended:
In this regulation:
“an undertaking shall not engage in the carriage of goods by road for hire or reward in a vehicle or combination
of vehicles (including a trailer or semi-trailer) the maximum authorised weight of which is in excess of 3.5 tonnes,
owned by the undertaking or hired to the undertaking under a contract for hire, unless that undertaking holds a
carrier’s licence”
However it is not required to have a haulage licence where the following goods are carried:
– cattle, sheep, pigs, turf;
– milk to a creamery or a cream separating station;
– separated milk from a creamery or a cream separating station;
– livestock by farmers for neighbours locally;
– newly harvested wheat, oats or barley during the period 1st August to 30th November each year from a farm to
a place of storage, assembly or processing

In other words you can only use a tractor for haulage if it in connection with farm work

Hateart

That's for vehicles falling under goods classification, vans trucks etc. a tractor is a agricultural vehicle and comes under different rules, jcb made four tracks for a reason! The section you quote is outdated but relevant to vehicles classified as goods on their log books.

westdub

Not true.... Any tractor that is not being used for agriculture is classed as a commercial vehicle and if you dont believe me you can just ask the Garda Traffic Corps..
As for the JCB tractor they now have a rule that any vehicle that isnt used for agricultural or forestry work or can do over 40kpm now need to be fitted with a Tachograph...

TACHOGRAPHS
S.I. No. 62 of 2008, European Communities (Road Transport) (Working Conditions and Road Safety) Regulations.
These provide for the following exemptions from the use of a tachograph:
“a vehicle that is used, or hired without a driver, by an agricultural, horticultural, forestry, farming or fishery
undertaking for carrying goods as part of its own entrepreneurial activity within a radius of up to 100 kilometres from the
undertaking’s base”;
“An agricultural tractor or forestry tractor that is owned, hired or leased by an undertaking and is used only for
agricultural or forestry activities within a radius of up to 100 kilometres from the base of the undertaking”.
These exemptions apply within the State only and are made at the discretion of the Member States. This Regulation also
provides for an EU wide exemption from tachograph and driver’s hours rules in respect of:
“Vehicles with a maximum authorised speed not exceeding 40 km/h”.

And before you say that this rule is not for tractors I know someone that recently had a tractor with a low loader trailer stopped and impounded by the Traffic Corps for using it without a haulage license and not having declared it as commercial...

Hateart

An online application facility is currently being developed and applications will be able to be made on www.motortax.ie later this year. From the motor tax web site?
What the hell? I can make a web site in a day for on line applications, this is the type of bull that the government are involved in, not thought out not planned not ready and not legal, anyone note you can not get a refund if you have road tax paid and want to park your car up for any reason other than what they state such as through illness etc, like who knows how ill you will be,and for how long,

Q18. Can I get a refund if I need to take a taxed vehicle off the road?....

A18. Only if you qualify for a refund under existing rules. These include the vehicle being stolen and not recovered, scrapped or permanently exported, or if you are keeping the vehicle off the road for reasons of illness, absence from the State for business or educational purposes or for services overseas with the Defence Forces. In all of these instances, a minimum of three months must remain on the disc.

So they keep the old parts of the previous system that screw us and add new rules to screw us more without giving us the citizins a valid option. In the UK
£490 per year is the max road tax on a private motor car no matter it's size, and you can get a refund for any unused road tax from the month you park car up , no 3 month rule. So again the irish TD looks at the English system picks out the best parts and then still use the sections of our old system that screw the motorist without any shame. Anyway I am looking at buying a hearse to tip around in, or drive my camper van everyday, and food for thought, a HGV road tax is nearly €4000 a year, not including the road tax on the trailer.

corktina

i can never get the "screw us " bit. It's the Governments job, that we elect them to do, to determine how much tax needs to be collected and from where. as long as everyone pays up under the same rules, I've no beef about it...noone likes paying tax but it has to be done if we want roads and schools and hospitals not to mention pensions and sickness cover etc etc.

The changes to the rules on off-road are a step towards making sure that everyone pays their share,next step hopefully is to hit those operating in the Black Economy

Hateart

We elect them on their promises and their ability to do a job they say they are capable of doing. Agree regarding taxes but let politicians be fair transparent honest and act with the best interest of the people who elected them, based on what we believed was the truths they spun us. Regarding the off road system, its based on SORN in the UK but with our politicians civil servants twist on it.
Anyway I am off to get a hearse €88 per annum tax! Ever notice how many politicians are or were undertakers.

turbocab

corktina wrote: »

i can never get the "screw us " bit. It's the Governments job, that we elect them to do, to determine how much tax needs to be collected and from where. as long as everyone pays up under the same rules, I've no beef about it...noone likes paying tax but it has to be done if we want roads and schools and hospitals not to mention pensions and sickness cover etc etc.

The changes to the rules on off-road are a step towards making sure that everyone pays their share,next step hopefully is to hit those operating in the Black Economy

Nobody would have a problem with motor tax if it was fair,but it is not eg2 people with identical cars one does 25kmiles per year the other does say 6kmiles per year,why should the one doing 6kmiles per year pay the same amount of motor tax when he is only using the roads a quarter of the time the other guy is using them,The only way to be fair is use the French system,its on the fuel you use you pay ,youdont use you don't pay.It cant be defrauded simple as

corktina

you could say the say about so many things....childless people paying for the education of other peoples children, or TV licence for instance.

Putting the tax on petrol wont happen as it would encourage illegality and cross-border visits for fuel. It would in fact be an unfair way to do it on people too far from the border to take advantage of lower prices in the North , rather the same as your mileage analogy really in terms of unfairness....

turbocab

corktina wrote: »

you could say the say about so many things....childless people paying for the education of other peoples children, or TV licence for instance.

Putting the tax on petrol wont happen as it would encourage illegality and cross-border visits for fuel. It would in fact be an unfair way to do it on people too far from the border to take advantage of lower prices in the North , rather the same as your mileage analogy really in terms of unfairness....

Petrol is already dearer in the north than here,and being motor enthusiasts should we not strive for some fairness,

Sam Russell

To put road tax onto fuel would cost 50c per litre, more on diesel if it is to be fair. This would give rise to cross border purchasing unless they did the same.

mullingar

Sam Russell wrote: »

To put road tax onto fuel would cost 50c per litre, more on diesel if it is to be fair. This would give rise to cross border purchasing unless they did the same.

Source?

I thought it was a lot closer to 20c

Guy:Incognito

Hateart wrote: »

Anyway I am off to get a hearse €88 per annum tax! Ever notice how many politicians are or were undertakers.

I thoight they are all teachers or publicans? Maybe they have had many different prefessiond before politics.........

Guy:Incognito

mullingar wrote: »

Source?

I thought it was a lot closer to 20c

Maybe its 20c for motor tax? Road tax would have to be introduced first thwn reanaferred to fuel so maybe thats the extra :-)

corktina

turbocab wrote: »

Petrol is already dearer in the north than here,and being motor enthusiasts should we not strive for some fairness,

what's fair about some motorists being able to nip across the border to get cheaper fuel than others who are too far away?