Who's more ruthless, IRA or Al Qaeda

jamo2oo9

I was having a serious discussion about this with the lads last night and I was saying that Al Qaeda would be more dangerous, ruthless and "evil" whereas two others were saying that Al Qaeda aren't. They supported their statement by how IRA kidnapped and murdered hundreds of innocent civilians, plotted assassinations against politicians, policemen and paramilitary soldiers, created havoc with bomb scares and masterminded the Omagh bombing. They also had ties with the Libyan government who aided their training, supplies and shipment of armoury. I said Al Qaeda had killed more civilians through car bombs, hijackings and suicide bombers in Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq and plotted the 9/11 attacks and 6/7 attacks in London. They have cells littered throughout the world mainly in Somali, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen and Sudan and I've heard they were in Nigeria too but it wasn't confirmed.

What do you think? My mates are very persistent about their statement.

bumper234

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

I was having a serious discussion about this with the lads last night and I was saying that Al Qaeda would be more dangerous, ruthless and "evil" whereas two others were saying that Al Qaeda aren't. They supported their statement by how IRA kidnapped and murdered hundreds of innocent civilians, plotted assassinations against politicians, policemen and paramilitary soldiers, created havoc with bomb scares and masterminded the Omagh bombing. They also had ties with the Libyan government who aided their training, supplies and shipment of armoury. I said Al Qaeda had killed more civilians through car bombs, hijackings and suicide bombers in Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq and plotted the 9/11 attacks and 6/7 attacks in London. They have cells littered throughout the world mainly in Somali, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen and Sudan and I've heard they were in Nigeria too but it wasn't confirmed.

What do you think? My mates are very persistent about their statement.

Al Qaeda killed more in one day than the IRA did in 30 years

/argument

Duckworth_Luas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msFljrJ7M4A

Peregrine

'The results are hidden'

The Backwards Man

One is a gang of cowardly murderous criminal scumbag cnuts. . . .








And so is the other.

Ace Attorney

Al Qaeda id say, you know the whole 9/11 thing and london bombings

kneemos

The poll has a hint of class about it.

Mr Benevolent

They're all terrorists and by definition are beneath contempt.

SEPT 23 1989

Al Qaeda raised the bar for all terrorist groups

jimgoose

And where, pray, is the poll option to have a handpicked sample from each group dropped on a deserted planet to duke it out with a dozen Berserker Predators??

bumper234

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

They're all terrorists and by definition are beneath contempt.

This.

Pity we couldn't get them in a walled off place like the phoenix park and let them wipe each other out.

bumper234

Where the USA option?

Seachmall

Al Qaeda's goal is the conversion or destruction of infidels which is not the same as the IRA's want of independence and recovery of a whole Ireland.

Al Qaeda want to actively inflict their will upon you while the IRA want the UK to leave Ireland alone.

Both have demonstrated a willingness to engage in evil to reach their goals but their goals clearly differentiate them.

jamo2oo9

Well the poll clearly shows the answer. I guess I proved them wrong however another thing to look at, could you say that back in 70/80s, the IRA were more organised, better trained in combat situations compared to AQ these days. I seem to think that AQ wanabees are running around like headless chickens with bombs strapped to themselves. Of course, AQ have upped their training standards in line with new weapons being supplied to them but before US invaded Afghan, would you say IRA were better trained that AQ?

Xivilai

Was the Omagh bomb masterminded by the IRA?
Thought it was just a few murderous scumbags acting on their own

Peregrine

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

Well the poll clearly shows the answer.

Al Qaeda by how much? :pac:

You've hidden the results for us jamo

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jamo2oo9

Have I? Crap, thought it was only hidden if you haven't voted yet

jamo2oo9

AQ is in the lead with 23 and IRA has one. Anyone know how to unhide the poll results?

SeanW

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

I was having a serious discussion about this with the lads last night and I was saying that Al Qaeda would be more dangerous, ruthless and "evil" whereas two others were saying that Al Qaeda aren't. They supported their statement by how IRA kidnapped and murdered hundreds of innocent civilians, plotted assassinations against politicians, policemen and paramilitary soldiers, created havoc with bomb scares and masterminded the Omagh bombing. They also had ties with the Libyan government who aided their training, supplies and shipment of armoury. I said Al Qaeda had killed more civilians through car bombs, hijackings and suicide bombers in Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq and plotted the 9/11 attacks and 6/7 attacks in London. They have cells littered throughout the world mainly in Somali, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen and Sudan and I've heard they were in Nigeria too but it wasn't confirmed.

What do you think? My mates are very persistent about their statement.

That point is just flat out wrong on two points:

1. It was the Real IRA not the Provos.
2. They had planned for it to be bloodless, they expected to put the bomb outside a courthouse or something then they gave a telephone warning (can you imagine Al Qaeda doing that?) but the asshole driving the car with the bomb dumped it on a street where the evacuees were moved to. :mad:

The IRA had a political agenda - to reunite Ireland - and their use of violence was - by todays depressing standards - quite measured. Al Qaeda on the other hand seems to have but one objective and that's to maim and slaughter as many civilians as possible in the name of Allah and to bring the entire world under the jackboot of a Saudi/Taliban caliphate. And because Islam is a global phenomenon, they or AQ copycats can find supporters and deploy cells almost anywhere on Earth.

the purple tin

Taliban are more ruthless imo because they are willing to kill themselves.

jamo2oo9

SeanW wrote: »

That point is just flat out wrong on two points:

1. It was the Real IRA not the Provos.
2. They had planned for it to be bloodless, they expected to put the bomb outside a courthouse or something then they gave a telephone warning (can you imagine Al Qaeda doing that?) but the asshole driving the car with the bomb dumped it on a street where the evacuees were moved to. :mad:

The IRA had a political agenda - to reunite Ireland - and their use of violence was - by todays depressing standards - quite measured. Al Qaeda on the other hand seems to have but one objective and that's to maim and slaughter as many civilians as possible in the name of Allah and to bring the entire world under the jackboot of a Saudi/Taliban caliphate. And because Islam is a global phenomenon, they or AQ copycats can find supporters and deploy cells almost anywhere on Earth.

Really good points there Sean. I thought their aim was to eliminate all Americans at any cost? Not the whole world.

Reoil

I don't see any IRA members blowing themselves up for their cause.

Hedgemeister

Reoil wrote: »

I don't see any IRA members blowing themselves up for their cause.

Unless you count those that accidentaly blew themselves up.

nocoverart

Reoil wrote: »

I don't see any IRA members blowing themselves up for their cause.

Yeah, what a bunch of wimps.

the purple tin

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

Really good points there Sean. I thought their aim was to eliminate all Americans at any cost? Not the whole world.

The radical islamic groups would consider any religion or race that isn't muslim to be infidels and would have no sympathy for them. They even condemn certain other types of muslims.

gallag

SeanW wrote: »

That point is just flat out wrong on two points:

1. It was the Real IRA not the Provos.
2. They had planned for it to be bloodless, they expected to put the bomb outside a courthouse or something then they gave a telephone warning (can you imagine Al Qaeda doing that?) but the asshole driving the car with the bomb dumped it on a street where the evacuees were moved to. :mad:

The IRA had a political agenda - to reunite Ireland - and their use of violence was - by todays depressing standards - quite measured.

Members of the IRA planted that bomb, they knew they would kill people with such a massive bomb, the IRA and sinn fein have never helped bring the people responsible to justice instead protecting them at every turn. The 1500 people ruthlessly murdered by the IRA would not have thought them to be quite measured!!!!!

the purple tin

Hedgemeister wrote: »

Unless you count those that accidentaly blew themselves up.

Those were mostly loyalist paramilitaries who had very limited experience with bomb making.

TheLastMohican

SeanW has given the answer. Just as the Crusaders heading to Jerusalem killed any Jews they could find en route, Al Qaeda kills any humans that they come across en route to World domination in the name of Allah Al Qaeda racketeering.

junior_apollo

Did nobody watch this?...

<<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadliest_Warrior_(season_1)#Episode_9:_I.R.A._vs._Taliban>>

Mint Sauce

I think it was Patrick Keilty who described the IRA as the Gentleman Bomber. At least they (usually) told you where the bomb was and when it would go off.

gallag

the purple tin wrote: »

Those were mostly loyalist paramilitaries who had very limited experience with bomb making.

The IRA blew more of themselves up but that wont fit into the "IRA were a great bunch of lads and the loyalists were all idiots who had no experience" agenda, so best just talk nonsense. Also the only reason the IRA had more self inflicted casualties is because they were more active, nothing to do with skill.

SeanW

gallag wrote: »

Members of the IRA planted that bomb, they knew they would kill people with such a massive bomb, the IRA and sinn fein have never helped bring the people responsible to justice instead protecting them at every turn.

The bombing was organised by the Real IRA and they gave a telephone warning which Republican terrorists sometimes did. It was as much or more about making a violent statement as actually killing people - sometimes.

The 1500 people ruthlessly murdered by the IRA would not have thought them to be quite measured!!!!!

The 3000 people ruthlessly murdered by AQ in one day plus (9/11) the tens of thousands that must by now have been murdered in market bombings in Iraq and other places might indeed consider a total death toll of 1500 to be quite measured indeed.

blahfckingblah

the taliban and al qaeda arent the same thing lads..

Stone Deaf 4evr

junior_apollo wrote: »

Did nobody watch this?...

<<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadliest_Warrior_(season_1)#Episode_9:_I.R.A._vs._Taliban>>

a gas show, but about as effective in determining who'd win as a set of top trumps cards.

slingshots? when was the last time we heard of a psni member getting killed in a drive by slingshotting? "turn that sh1t sideways seamus, gansta style, yo."

becost

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Al Qaeda raised the bar for all terrorist groups

That be true although the Mexican drug cartels give them a good run for their money.

TheLastMohican

junior_apollo wrote: »

Did nobody watch this?...

<<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadliest_Warrior_(season_1)#Episode_9:_I.R.A._vs._Taliban>>[/QUOTE]

Come out of your bristling man-cave and say that :mad:

Peregrine

Mint Sauce wrote: »

I think it was Patrick Keilty who described the IRA as the Gentleman Bomber. At least they (usually) told you where the bomb was and when it would go off.

Yeah he also said that unlike the Al Qaeda, the IRA were too intelligent to be suicide bombers. As in if they were going to blow up something, they'd get the **** away from the place first.

SeanW

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Al Qaeda raised the bar for all terrorist groups

QED.

Laneyh

Al Qaeda - they get people to convert and then have them kill themselves

Joe prim

Why are the al-Atari Jaguariban excluded from the poll, tradition matters you know?

gallag

SeanW wrote: »

The bombing was organised by the Real IRA and they gave a telephone warning which Republican terrorists sometimes did. It was as much or more about making a violent statement as actually killing people - sometimes.

The 3000 people ruthlessly murdered by AQ in one day plus (9/11) the tens of thousands that must by now have been murdered in market bombings in Iraq and other places might indeed consider a total death toll of 1500 to be quite measured indeed.

Ayyy, great bunch of lads!

jamo2oo9

AQ in the lead with 43 votes and IRA slacking behind with 4..

the purple tin

gallag wrote: »

The IRA blew more of themselves up but that wont fit into the "IRA were a great bunch of lads and the loyalists were all idiots who had no experience" agenda, so best just talk nonsense. Also the only reason the IRA had more self inflicted casualties is because they were more active, nothing to do with skill.

I never said that so whats are the quotation marks about?
IRA had better skills with explosives because they had been doing it for longer. Loyalists had to start getting members of the british army to make theirs for them.

TheLastMohican

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

AQ in the lead with 43 votes and IRA slacking behind with 4..

AQ in the lead with 43 votes and IRA slacking behind with 4 (Daily Mail)

Just to add a bit of gravitas

gallag

the purple tin wrote: »

Loyalists had to start getting members of the british army to make theirs for them.

Link?

audman

This thread is disgusting, absolutely disgusting! You should all be ashamed of yourselves, every last one of you. (Spits on ground) How dare you OP, how very dare you bring about the the question of 'Who are the 'big dicks' of this 'terrorism' lingo. Is this some sort of sick form of pleasure for you? 'Oh the IRA are responsible for '80' deaths, Al-Qaeda are responsible for 100, this makes 'Al-Qaeda 20% worse than the IRA'. These kind if sick comments make me sick to the very pit if my stomach, my skin is crawling. Statistics don't matter, this isn't a sport we're talking about Goddamn it! This is terrorism and lives have been lost. Goddamn it what is wrong with this world goddamn it?!?!?!?!?!

junior_apollo

TheLastMohican wrote: »

AQ in the lead with 43 votes and IRA slacking behind with 4 (Daily Mail)

Just to add a bit of gravitas

IRA desimated by QA 43 - 4 (Mirror)

Just to add sensationalism...

junior_apollo

audman wrote: »

This thread is disgusting, absolutely disgusting! You should all be ashamed of yourselves, every last one of you. (Spits on ground) How dare you OP, how very dare you bring about the the question of 'Who are the 'big dicks' of this 'terrorism' lingo. Is this some sort of sick form of pleasure for you? 'Oh the IRA are responsible for '80' deaths, Al-Qaeda are responsible for 100, this makes 'Al-Qaeda 20% worse than the IRA'. These kind if sick comments make me sick to the very pit if my stomach, my skin is crawling. Statistics don't matter, this isn't a sport we're talking about Goddamn it! This is terrorism and lives have been lost. Goddamn it what is wrong with this world goddamn it?!?!?!?!?!

\Yawn

jamo2oo9

audman wrote: »

This thread is disgusting, absolutely disgusting! You should all be ashamed of yourselves, every last one of you. (Spits on ground) How dare you OP, how very dare you bring about the the question of 'Who are the 'big dicks' of this 'terrorism' lingo. Is this some sort of sick form of pleasure for you? 'Oh the IRA are responsible for '80' deaths, Al-Qaeda are responsible for 100, this makes 'Al-Qaeda 20% worse than the IRA'. These kind if sick comments make me sick to the very pit if my stomach, my skin is crawling. Statistics don't matter, this isn't a sport we're talking about Goddamn it! This is terrorism and lives have been lost. Goddamn it what is wrong with this world goddamn it?!?!?!?!?!

Okay, first of all, it was a discussion I had with my mate last night. We were simply expressing thoughts about it and I wanted to see what others thought too. It is simply not a pleasure sport for me at all. I am only curious.

Second, from reading the last line of your post, you seem to express that nobody shouldn't be allowed to speak, converse or dialect with others about terrorism. Terrorism is a big thing in our lives. It affects us in one way or another. We have the right to express our views.

junior_apollo

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

Okay, first of all, it was a discussion I had with my mate last night. We were simply expressing thoughts about it and I wanted to see what others thought too. It is simply not a pleasure sport for me at all. I am only curious.

Second, from reading the last line of your post, you seem to express that nobody shouldn't be allowed to speak, converse or dialect with others about terrorism. Terrorism is a big thing in our lives. It affects us in one way or another. We have the right to express our views.

\Facepalm... you took the bait...

anncoates

I dunno, but my Da would kill your Da.

FACT.