GERMANY admits mass immigration threatens 'social peace'

Hitchens

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2365252/Germany-admits-mass-immigration-threatens-social-peace.html

The report paints a grim picture, one we would do well to study to avoid ending up in a similar situation.

Are our wonderfully intelligent political cadre and their advisors on top of the situation?

daveyeh

Enter the 'National Social Peace Party'

Mr Benevolent

It does threaten social peace, however not at the numbers we have immigrating. German and Sweden have massive immigration and it does cause problems.

Nodin

The Daily Mail and its attendant stupidity threatens "social peace".

Matt_Trakker

haha, daily fail.

Clandestine

Britain better make sure it votes UKIP next election

WilyCoyote

Just because it's in The Daily Mail should not inhibit discussion. And the mealy-mouthed pseudo intellectual types should get out the binoculars, focus on the midgets a long way beneath their ivory towers, get a grip and learn a thing or two about the real world.

Nodin

Clandestine wrote: »

Britain better make sure it votes UKIP next election

*snicker

"After its rousing success in May, Nigel Farage's party dropped from an 18 per cent spike to 12 per cent in the new poll, although it is still three points above its previous highs.

Labour's popularity has increased by two points to 36 per cent, the poll by ICM Research shows, putting it seven per cent higher than the Conservatives who have gained one point."
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/406931/Support-for-UKIP-plummets-by-A-THIRD-leaving-them-tied-with-the-Lib-Dems-poll-reveals

Nodin

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Just because it's in The Daily Mail should not inhibit discussion. And the mealy-mouthed pseudo intellectual types should get out the binoculars, focus on the midgets a long way beneath their ivory towers, get a grip and learn a thing or two about the real world.

...why, are those midgets flesh eating Bulgarians? I thought they were ants....

Blisterman

The Daily Mail's Alarmist Headlines:

"437,000 Romanians and Bulgarians flooded into Germany in three years"
"Overall crime in Germany falling but crimes relating to Bulgarian and Romanians on the rise"

You don't need to be a scientist to figure out that if there's way more Romanians and Bulgarians in the country, then inevitably the amount of crimes committed by them would increase, as it would with any demographic increase.

Typical xenophobic rubbish from the Daily Mail. Short on facts, high on hysteria.

tigger123

The Daily Fail has a long long history of reporting on German affairs...

Hitchens

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10179432/Help-us-deal-with-Roma-travellers-London-council-begs-Romania.html

A London council has called on Romanian police to come and deal with members of the Roma community who have set up camp in the capital.

It's time that some people here removed their pointy heads out of the sand and smelled the coffee!

Peregrine

Oh look a Daily Mail article!

Let's all have a serious and well informed discussion about these facts :pac:


Number of Romanians and Bulgarians have risen significantly in the past 3 years..number of crimes committed by Romanians and Bulgarians have also risen!

Shocker

Nodin

Hitchens wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10179432/Help-us-deal-with-Roma-travellers-London-council-begs-Romania.html

A London council has called on Romanian police to come and deal with members of the Roma community who have set up camp in the capital.

It's time that some people here removed their pointy heads out of the sand and smelled the coffee!

...this "bash the roma" day or something?

WilyCoyote

Nodin wrote: »

...why, are those midgets flesh eating Bulgarians? I thought they were ants....

You know what I mean Nodin. Ireland has nothing near the teeming slums of most European cities where the lingua franca is anything but. You'll see more gated estates springing up as people feel more threatened. After all, you do what is best for your family. And one side of the social divide should not be allowed the undermine the values of an established other side.

Mr Benevolent

OP, quoting the Telegraph and Daily Mail is hardly legitimatising your agenda. Most people automatically discount anything they read in them as propaganda.

Nodin

WilyCoyote wrote: »

You know what I mean Nodin. Ireland has nothing near the teeming slums of most European cities where the lingua franca is anything but. You'll see more gated estates springing up as people feel more threatened. After all, you do what is best for your family. And one side of the social divide should not be allowed the undermine the values of an established other side.

....which is all well and good if we were talking specifics and not the usual daily fail hysteria.

Legs.Eleven

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Just because it's in The Daily Mail should not inhibit discussion. And the mealy-mouthed pseudo intellectual types should get out the binoculars, focus on the midgets a long way beneath their ivory towers, get a grip and learn a thing or two about the real world.

Nimrod7 you gave this comment the thumbs up but followed it with this... Huh?

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

Oh look a Daily Mail article!

Let's all have a serious and well informed discussion about these facts :pac:


Number of Romanians and Bulgarians have risen significantly in the past 3 years..number of crimes committed by Romanians and Bulgarians have also risen!

Shocker

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Just because it's in The Daily Mail should not inhibit discussion. And the mealy-mouthed pseudo intellectual types should get out the binoculars, focus on the midgets a long way beneath their ivory towers, get a grip and learn a thing or two about the real world.

Basing a discussion on a Daily Mail headline is as wise as building a house on quicksand - but no-one is saying you shouldn't build the house.

WilyCoyote

Nodin wrote: »

...this "bash the roma" day or something?

The last time you got such nomadic tribes tearing across Europe it heralded the beginning of the Dark Ages. But there was no Daily Mail or Telegraph then

Nodin

WilyCoyote wrote: »

The last time you got such nomadic tribes tearing across Europe it heralded the beginning of the Dark Ages. But there was no Daily Mail or Telegraph then

....with digging skills like yours, the transatlantic tunnel may yet become a reality.

**Vai**

WilyCoyote wrote: »

The last time you got such nomadic tribes tearing across Europe it heralded the beginning of the Dark Ages. But there was no Daily Mail or Telegraph then

Hold on, hold on.......



...Irish travellers! Annnnnd go!

Peregrine

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Nimrod7 you gave this comment the thumbs up but followed it with this... Huh?

Oops..

Touch site :pac: Must have hit it by accident

WilyCoyote

Nodin wrote: »

....with digging skills like yours, the transatlantic tunnel may yet become a reality.

OK Christy get out the pencil and paper. If Fr Horan can do it, anyone can.

strobe

WilyCoyote wrote: »

The last time you got such nomadic tribes tearing across Europe it heralded the beginning of the Dark Ages. But there was no Daily Mail or Telegraph then

From "Bulgarian crime rates in Germany increase with number of Bulgarians in Germany" to "The Jews caused the Dark Ages" in under 30 mins... I'm impressed.

pandaboy

UK Paper building a resentment towards immigration? Especially those form the Romanian and Bulgarian populations. If anyone's memory is any goo, you'll remember the UK Home Office and their mission of propaganda just a few months back regarding Bulgarian and Romanian immigrants.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/28/campaign-deter-romanian-bulgarian-immigrants-farcical

Methinks it's another ****ey media campaign with a Euro flavour to it.

WilyCoyote

**Vai** wrote: »

Hold on, hold on.......



...Irish travellers! Annnnnd go!

Now, now. I thought all of them were chasing rhinos in darkest Africa.

WilyCoyote

strobe wrote: »

From "Bulgarian crime rates in Germany increase with number of Bulgarians in Germany" to "The Jews caused the Dark Ages" in under 30 mins... I'm impressed.

With a jump like that I can see how easily impressed you are. We're talking Goths, Visigoths, Ostrogoths, Vandals, Huns etc.

SeanW

daveyeh wrote: »

Enter the 'National Social Peace Party'

Nodin wrote: »

The Daily Mail and its attendant stupidity threatens "social peace".

Ah yes, so if anyone says anything bad or even cautious about immigrants or mass immigration ... they must be fascists?

Nodin wrote: »

...why, are those midgets flesh eating Bulgarians? I thought they were ants....

I didn't think you could see anything down in the real world from your ivory tower. :pac:

Nodin

SeanW wrote: »

Ah yes, so if anyone says anything bad or even cautious about immigrants or mass immigration ... they must be fascists?

Did I say that? No, I did not.

WilyCoyote

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

Oops..

Touch site :pac: Must have hit it by accident

We await the gypsy violinist

WilyCoyote

Nodin wrote: »

Did I say that? No, I did not.

I also thought you intimated that

Legs.Eleven

One of my closest friends here in Spain is Romanian (from a poor background but who's English is as good as mine and who speaks fluent Spanish and French and is just about to start an MBA in Business). The prejudice she comes up against almost every time she tells someone where she's from is shocking (I've seen it repeatedly) and it is not helped by articles like this where thick, small-minded people get their opinions from (and not from any real-life experience) and who basically want justification for their bigotry. I know 4 Romanian women here in total and they are the smartest, nicest and most respectful, hard-working women I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. Daily Mail inciting racism/prejudice/xenophobia again. What's new. Fcuk them.


And for the stupid among you (not referring to anyone in particular):


Romanian =/= Roma gypsies. Duh!

Hitchens

WilyCoyote wrote: »

I also thought you intimated that

of course he did, but now he'll pull his horns in a bit as usual

padd b1975

This guy said more or less the same thing many years ago.

Has his vision become a reality??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw4vMZDItQo

strobe

WilyCoyote wrote: »

With a jump like that I can see how easily impressed you are. We're talking Goths, Visigoths, Ostrogoths, Vandals, Huns etc.

Ah, I get ye.

Legs.Eleven

padd b1975 wrote: »

This guy said more or less the same thing many years ago.

Has his vision become a reality??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw4vMZDItQo

No. Don't be thick.

Edit: Probably a little harsh. If you were implying this was the case, you're wrong. If you were asking a genuine question, the answer is no.

Nodin

Hitchens wrote: »

of course he did, but now he'll pull his horns in a bit as usual

The Daily Mail and its attendant stupidity threatens "social peace".

Its fairly straightforward and self explanatory.

kunst nugget

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Just because it's in The Daily Mail should not inhibit discussion. And the mealy-mouthed pseudo intellectual types should get out the binoculars, focus on the midgets a long way beneath their ivory towers, get a grip and learn a thing or two about the real world.

Is mealy mouthed when you talk with your mouth full? That's disgusting…

Nodin

padd b1975 wrote: »

This guy said more or less the same thing many years ago.

Has his vision become a reality??

No, his vision is still blurred, by dint of his head being lodged in his ass.

WilyCoyote

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

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And for the stupid among you (not referring to anyone in particular):


Romanian =/= Roma gypsies. Duh!

Most people only notice Roma gypsies. They are colourful even if antagonistic. The quiet ones that melt into the background and get on with improving their lives rarely get noticed. So, it is a kind of natural to assume that all Romanians are Romas, from that perspective.
Not everyone has your intellectual insight. And, hopefully, most of those that have are not blinded by it.

WilyCoyote

kunst nugget wrote: »

Is mealy mouthed when you talk with your mouth full? That's disgusting…

Here you are:

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/mealy-mouthed

Legs.Eleven

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Most people only notice Roma gypsies. They are colourful even if antagonistic. The quiet ones that melt into the background and get on with improving their lives rarely get noticed. So, it is a kind of natural to assume that all Romanians are Romas, from that perspective.
Not everyone has your intellectual insight. And, hopefully, most of those that have are not blinded by it.

Blinded by actually having some idea of what the truth is? God forbid!

I don't claim to be an intellectual at all but I do happen to know the difference between the truth and hyperbole.



Romas are settlers in Romania as they are in other European countries and there as a big a problem there as anywhere else in Europe.

People are confused because they have similar names and this article has compounded that confusion making life harder for actual Romanian immigrants.


This article blatantly refers to Roma gypsies as "Romanians" which is completely false.

padd b1975

Nodin wrote: »

No, his vision is still blurred, by dint of his head being lodged in his ass.

Oh I'm no fan of Enoch, but it's worth examining how Britain's social history evolved in the wake of this speech.

There are some crazy people in Germany that would find quite a bit to agree on in that speech.

WilyCoyote

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

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This article blatantly refers to Roma gypsies as "Romanians" which is completely false.

Would you not agree that most of these gypsies originated in Romania?

About 10 years ago I employed two Romanian fellows for about two years. Both from Timisoara, both good workers, eager to learn a skill and English. We had many discussions re Romas. They felt embarrassed each time we came across Roma beggars and both disdained their behavior. Equally hated in Romania and all other European countries, I wonder what is the catalyst that fires you into defending them. Is it because you want to have a go at The Daily Mail or you want to show your superior social intelligence. Either way, the link below will show that that paper has a wide readership and AFAIK the largest of the internet papers.

The Daily Mail is a British daily middle-market[2] tabloid newspaper owned by the Daily Mail and General Trust.[3]
First published in 1896 by Lord Northcliffe, it is the United Kingdom's second biggest-selling daily newspaper after The Sun.[4] Its sister paper The Mail on Sunday was launched in 1982. Scottish and Irish editions of the daily paper were launched in 1947 and 2006 respectively. The Daily Mail was Britain's first daily newspaper aimed at the newly literate "lower-middle class market resulting from mass education, combining a low retail price with plenty of competitions, prizes and promotional gimmicks",[5] and the first British paper to sell a million copies a day.[6]
It was, from the outset, a newspaper for women, being the first to provide features especially for them,[7] and is the only British newspaper whose readership is more than 50 percent female, at 53 percent.I][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_clarify"][COLOR=#0066cc]clarification needed[/COLOR][/URL][/I[8][9][10]
It had an average daily circulation of 1,991,275 copies in April 2012.[11] Between June and December 2011 it had an average daily readership of approximately 4.371 million, of whom approximately 2.803 million were in the ABC1 demographic and 1.596 million in the C2DE demographic.[11] It has over 100 million unique visitors per month to its website.[12]

RaRaRasputin

strobe wrote: »

From "Bulgarian crime rates in Germany increase with number of Bulgarians in Germany" to "The Jews caused the Dark Ages" in under 30 mins... I'm impressed.

Thank you so much for pointing this out!!!

It was the funniest thing I read in quite a while

Herb Powell

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Most people only notice Roma gypsies. They are colourful even if antagonistic. The quiet ones that melt into the background and get on with improving their lives rarely get noticed. So, it is a kind of natural to assume that all Romanians are Romas, from that perspective.
Not everyone has your intellectual insight. And, hopefully, most of those that have are not blinded by it.

It makes about as much sense as the recent demonisation of the Czechs by some idiots after finding out that the Boston bombers were Chechen.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

strobe wrote: »

From "Bulgarian crime rates in Germany increase with number of Bulgarians in Germany" to "The Jews caused the Dark Ages" in under 30 mins... I'm impressed.

incidentley, the article doesn't say crime rates in german have gone up, it says the exact opposite.

RaRaRasputin

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

One of my closest friends here in Spain is Romanian (from a poor background but who's English is as good as mine and who speaks fluent Spanish and French and is just about to start an MBA in Business). The prejudice she comes up against almost every time she tells someone where she's from is shocking (I've seen it repeatedly) and it is not helped by articles like this where thick, small-minded people get their opinions from (and not from any real-life experience) and who basically want justification for their bigotry. I know 4 Romanian women here in total and they are the smartest, nicest and most respectful, hard-working women I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. Daily Mail inciting racism/prejudice/xenophobia again. What's new. Fcuk them.


And for the stupid among you (not referring to anyone in particular):


Romanian =/= Roma gypsies. Duh!

Did you ever ask your friends what they think about those Roma? And I don't mean the normal ones who settle, work and integrate. Just ask them and you will realise that your friends will be even more pissed off with those people ruining the reputation of Romanians than with the biased media. Or would you want to be compared to a hypothetical Irish mobile minority group that left an impression on the locals?

Hitchens

Be very careful of them immigrants!


WALLET SCAM WARNING! In ALDI or Lidl whilst packing shopping into the car, you may be approached by 2 fit 18 year old Eastern European girls in tight tops.

They wash your screen with their tits up against the window and ask for a lift to the next Aldi as payment.

On the way they will strip down and perform oral sex on each other. One will then climb into the front and suck you off, while the other steals your wallet!

I had mine stolen last Thursday, Friday, Saturday, twice on Sunday, and once again today. So be very careful!

:D

Son Of A Vidic

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Just because it's in The Daily Mail should not inhibit discussion. And the mealy-mouthed pseudo intellectual types should get out the binoculars, focus on the midgets a long way beneath their ivory towers, get a grip and learn a thing or two about the real world.

Which still doesn't change the fact that the Mail is a 'newspaper', not worthy of wiping your arsé with.