froome english

IM0

eh no he's kenyan! you just claimed him and youre welcome to him too

Mint Sauce

English father, grand parents, and british passport.

If you follow our national soccer team they hugely benifited form the Granny rule as well.

Or is it just because he won todays stage?

IM0

Mint Sauce wrote: »

English father, grand parents, and british passport.

If you follow our national soccer team they hugely benifited form the Granny rule as well.

Or is it just because he won todays stage?

he has a dutch africans accent I dont care what his passport says, hes a blow in english, just like the 'irish' football team from charltons era

riparooo

Nico - born in France - French mother, Irish father
Dan - born in England - English father, Irish mother.

On our last Olympic squad nearly one third were not born in the Country they represented!

Looking at his improvement in last 3 years I expect him to be Kenyan again very soon

IM0

riparooo wrote: »

Nico - born in France - French mother, Irish father
Dan - born in England - English father, Irish mother.

On our last Olympic squad nearly one third were not born in the Country they represented!

nico = french [mother french]

dan = Irish [irish mother]

froome = kenyan [kenyan mother]

the mother carries a MUCH bigger % of the genetics than the father does

resdubwhite

He's about as English as their cricket team.

The spoils of conquest I suppose.

at1withmyself

IM0 wrote: »

eh no he's kenyan! you just claimed him and youre welcome to him too

What exactly are you hoping for from this thread? Its been well known where he was born for some time now??

theSHU

poolboy wrote: »

Looking at his improvement in last 3 years I expect him to be Kenyan again very soon

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

theSHU

at1withmyself wrote: »

What exactly are you hoping for from this thread? Its been well known where he was born for some time now??

He wants Froome to release his long form birth certificate and his university transcripts.

resdubwhite

theSHU wrote: »

He wants Froome to release his long form birth certificate and his university transcripts.

On failing that. His blood profile to BIke pure.

CheGuedara

IM0 wrote: »

the mother carries a MUCH bigger % of the genetics than the father does

Really? I would have thought that 50% of the regular genetic complement comes from each parent (to give ~23,300 protein encoding genes and many more non-coding regulators) with the exception of mitochondrial DNA (37 coding and non-coding genes) which is maternally heritable.

endacl

So....... Could Froome run for president of the US then?

Mint Sauce

IM0 wrote: »

nico = french [mother french]

dan = Irish [irish mother]

froome = kenyan [kenyan mother]

the mother carries a MUCH bigger % of the genetics than the father does

I doubt the various passport offices around the world are to concerned about that.

IM0

CheGuedara wrote: »

Really? I would have thought that 50% of the regular genetic complement comes from each parent (to give ~23,300 protein encoding genes and many more non-coding regulators) with the exception of mitochondrial DNA (37 coding and non-coding genes) which is maternally heritable.

well when you take out the identical genes mother and father have from the remains the mother contributes a much higher proportion, and bearing in mid apes have about 90%+ DNA of humans.

basically the mothers genes are the lions share

IM0

Mint Sauce wrote: »

I doubt the various passport offices around the world are to concerned about that.

true. so basically what youre argueing for is that national identity is a fallacy? good so we agree then

resdubwhite

IM0 wrote: »

true. so basically what youre argueing for is that national identity is a fallacy? good so we agree then

Can someone tell sky? they'll be upping his englishness no end in the next few months/years/century.

theoneeyedman

The only reason he took up cycling was because he couldn't make the English cricket team (apologies to Mock the Week)

RobFowl

DeValera was born in New York ...

Nationality is a complex issue.

Froome is eligible for a British passport and considers himself British so really who are we to question that.

Eamonnator

IM0 wrote: »

well when you take out the identical genes mother and father have from the remains the mother contributes a much higher proportion, and bearing in mid apes have about 90%+ DNA of humans.

basically the mothers genes are the lions share

So. Is he a lion or an ape?

Jawgap

That great Munster-man Ronan O'Gara was born in the US - he also still holds the record for the most number of Irish caps

Jamie Heaslip was born in Israel

Richardt Strauss - South Africa

Most of the Ulster contingent are her majesty's subjects as are most of our better golfers.......

He holds a British passport, he's British.

mike65

He's as British as their Queen!

Seriously though, what a classic "Irish" thread.

Mint Sauce

IM0 wrote: »

true. so basically what youre argueing for is that national identity is a fallacy? good so we agree then

No. Some people identify more with one nationality compared to another. I'm born in England, have an Irish Passport, as I identify my self, more Irish than English/British.

Granted may not always apply to various sports stars, so now we ask, when did Froome, Nico (since you argued his nationality), Martin (him as well), and say Wiggo, apply for their passports? Before or after they knew they could make it as a cyclist.

Captain Havoc

RobFowl wrote: »

DeValera was born in New York ...

Nationality is a complex issue.

Froome is eligible for a British passport and considers himself British so really who are we to question that.

So was Jimmy Magee. If we're to go into that much depth a lot of us are French. I have cousins in England and even their kids consider themselves Irish, play hurling etc.... It's not like Froome's claiming the nationality of a country he has no links to.

Craig06

I am from Scotland. Both parents Scottish. Have a British and Irish passport. Represented Ireland in sport at world championship level in the past but still consider myself Scottish. Work that one out.

Jawgap

If you have time, Peter Heather's book "Empires and Barbarians" discusses among other things, the rise of the idea of national identities and the concepts of ethnicity.

Basically, the rise of mass communication in the late 18th and early 19th century led to the creation of group identities that grew as the reach of communications grew.

Intellectuals then retrospectively created 'national identities' by 'identifying' folklore, traditions etc and codifying them into various texts. Before about 1780 people had no real concept of being Irish, English, Welsh etc - "country was county."

el tel

IM0 wrote: »

well when you take out the identical genes mother and father have from the remains the mother contributes a much higher proportion, and bearing in mid apes have about 90%+ DNA of humans.

basically the mothers genes are the lions share

That's nonsense. Or more accurately,a complete load of bollocks.

Squidgy Black

It's a personal choice really once a person has dual citizenship. I've several friends born in the States to Irish parents who would say they're Irish and nothing else, yet others will say they're American.

I don't think they really care where he's actually from, once he's 'British' that's all that matters to them.

Wishbone Ash

What does it matter where he comes from or where his allegiances lie? It the cycling that matters.

RobFowl wrote: »

DeValera was born in New York ....

...to a Spanish/Cuban father.

CramCycle

poolboy wrote: »

Looking at his improvement in last 3 years I expect him to be Kenyan again very soon

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PM me if there is any confusion or explanation required

ashleey

Aren't we all African anyway?

Ole Rodrigo

Borders are mostly a result of historical violence and the self interest of a ruling minority.

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/17402-who-owns-the-earth

Dr. Bre

feck team sly anyway. the sport is now clean because of their results according to them...

alexanderomahon

He is who he is and represents who he wants to when he wants to and when it suits him. One thing fir sure is that he can ride a bike up a hill like no other human

Brian?

Who's claiming he's English exactly?

He's most certainly British as he holds a British passport.

uphillonly

Brian? wrote: »

Who's claiming he's English exactly?

He's most certainly British as he holds a British passport.

Are you sure?

No self respecting British /English cyclist would spin up a hill with the cadence he did today. Everyone knows you put it in the big ring and grind like Hinault.

Lumen

It's difficult to know where to start with someone who doesn't understand the distinction between English and British.

If only there was some sort of "on the line" searching engine which would enable people to revise primary school-level geopolitical facts before starting idiotic threads.

RobFowl

Lumen wrote: »

It's difficult to know where to start with someone who doesn't understand the distinction between English and British.

If only there was some sort of "on the line" searching engine which would enable people to revise primary school-level geopolitical facts before starting idiotic threads.

My kids are British/Irish (dual nationality) but are not English or eligible for English teams. My wife is British and could represent NI/Ireland or Scotland. I am Irish but am eligible for a British passport.
We generally cheer for all the British and Irish Isle nations in all sports and see ourselves as more than close neighbours. My sister is Irish but eligible to repesent Scotland or England if she applies for the British passport she is eligible for.
FWIW our ancestors have fought and died in WW1, WW2 and the Irish War of Independance and we are equally proud of them all.

uphillonly

Lumen wrote: »

It's difficult to know where to start with someone who doesn't understand the distinction between English and British.

I think most Irish know the difference, the rest of the world is another matter. So many times around the world I've been asked when is Ireland going to get its independence from Britain.

Back on cycling as the other thread's been closed, I was fascinated by Froomes high cadence attacks. The norm is to flip up a gear or two and get out of the saddle. It looked he kept the same gear but increased cadence from 90 to 120.

I wonder if Sky have been doing some power testing on this and found it a less wearing way to attack, reducing the lactic build from an anaerobic effort? Did he use this in the Pyrenees?

Lumen

uphillonly wrote: »

Back on cycling as the other thread's been closed, I was fascinated by Froomes high cadence attacks. The norm is to flip up a gear or two and get out of the saddle. It looked he kept the same gear but increased cadence from 90 to 120.

I wonder if Sky have been doing some power testing on this and found it a less wearing way to attack, reducing the lactic build from an anaerobic effort? Did he use this in the Pyrenees?

I've read that high cadence uses more oxygen (less efficient) but recruits fewer fast-twitch muscles (more efficient). No idea how that balances out. I imagine it works well if you have few fast twitch muscle fibres and/or very good blood. Lance claimed at one point that his success was cadence related.

It's possible that the reason other climbers don't ride like that is something awfully scientific like "it looks gimpy and other riders will laugh at me".

brayblue24

The most pointless and inane thread in a long time

resdubwhite

Arent we all europeans anyway.

MrCreosote

uphillonly wrote: »

Are you sure?

No self respecting British /English cyclist would spin up a hill with the cadence he did today. Everyone knows you put it in the big ring and grind like Hinault.

I think you'll find it's far easier to keep a stiff upper lip at cadences over 90.

ashleey

uphillonly wrote: »

I think most Irish know the difference, the rest of the world is another matter. So many times around the world I've been asked when is Ireland going to get its independence from Britain.

Back on cycling as the other thread's been closed, I was fascinated by Froomes high cadence attacks. The norm is to flip up a gear or two and get out of the saddle. It looked he kept the same gear but increased cadence from 90 to 120.

I wonder if Sky have been doing some power testing on this and found it a less wearing way to attack, reducing the lactic build from an anaerobic effort? Did he use this in the Pyrenees?

It looked like they were all in the lowest gear even froome. No one could pedal as fast as him. Time for some camera work and Sean Kelly expertise on analysing exactly what gear ratios were being used and what cadence each could manage. They touched on it but not enough

petethedrummer

Up the 'RA.

Jawgap

Some people will never accept him being English / British until he's seen racing in this kit, shouting "Tally-ho" as he goes on the attack.....

nak

uphillonly wrote: »

I think most Irish know the difference, the rest of the world is another matter. So many times around the world I've been asked when is Ireland going to get its independence from Britain.

Not in my experience, constantly hear Irish people refer to Britain as England. I am Scottish and people at work used to ask when I was going home to England to visit my family, or ask "do you have this in England?" etc. Very annoying.

I have American and British passports, born in US, moved to Scotland for school, lived in Ireland 7 years, see myself as Scottish. Have family members and school friends who were born/grew up in Africa, but identify themselves as British, probably more due to living in ex-pat communities.

happytramp

The whole situation presents team Sky with quite the quandary actually. Can't see Wiggin's and Froome existing on the same team after this, so who do Sky keep. The house hold name and beloved sportsperson of the year Sir Wiggin's or the slightly unknown guy with the funny accent who is likely to win the Tour for the next number of years? Hmmm.

mr potato head

Lumen wrote: »

It's difficult to know where to start with someone who doesn't understand the distinction between English and British.

If only there was some sort of "on the line" searching engine which would enable people to revise primary school-level geopolitical facts before starting idiotic threads.

Or even a video and they wouldn't need to read...
The Difference between the United Kingdom, Great Britain and England Explained

corny

happytramp wrote: »

The whole situation presents team Sky with quite the quandary actually. Can't see Wiggin's and Froome existing on the same team after this, so who do Sky keep. The house hold name and beloved sportsperson of the year Sir Wiggin's or the slightly unknown guy with the funny accent who is likely to win the Tour for the next number of years? Hmmm.

Its not really a conundrum. You pick the guy who's going to win the tour for the next 5 years.

Froome has years left in him. Wiggins is already accepting retirement.

Lumen

nak wrote: »

Not in my experience, constantly hear Irish people refer to Britain as England. I am Scottish and people at work used to ask when I was going home to England to visit my family, or ask "do you have this in England?" etc. Very annoying.

Maybe you need to cultivate a stronger accent.