Brutal Police in Germany - you really shouldn't complain about our Gardai

zom

Brutal Police in Germany - you really shouldn't complain about our Gardai:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmhjJpR2elA

Fresh video from June. Seven huge German robocops making pulp of one of discoteque client in Bremen (Germany). I couldn't even imagine Gardai doing this. We should never complain about them.

chris_ie

Not the best logic! If someone kicks the crap out of you, should you not complain because people are being murdered and tortured in other countries?

Outkast_IRE

Germany has a large well funded police force, especially in the southern german regions.

I don't have the stats to hand but im sure they have one of the highest numbers of police per capita in Europe.

It works well in my opinion have been to many german cities and have yet to feel unsafe walking the streets at night, haven't witnessed any bad anti social behaviour either as the police always have a presence.

godtabh

seems to me he was resisting arrest. Deserves it so

SEPT 23 1989

I would like to see this kind of policing in certain areas of Dublin City centre

Slunk

Doesn't look all that bad. He managed to walk out of the place albeit in handcuffs. If we had police like this maybe people would fear and respect them more instead of being a laughing stock. You can see from a young age kids have no respect or fear of the gardai. A few belts of a baton would change that

jjdub1

@Zom - I couldn't even imagine Gardai doing this

Seriously ????

renegademaster

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

Germany has a large well funded police force, especially in the southern german regions.

I don't have the stats to hand but im sure they have one of the highest numbers of police per capita in Europe.

It works well in my opinion have been to many german cities and have yet to feel unsafe walking the streets at night, haven't witnessed any bad anti social behaviour either as the police always have a presence.

they didn't stop the ECB being blockupied ha

gobnaitolunacy

Maybe if he came quietly instead of acting the incredible hulk?

There a few around here that could do with a couple of kicks up the hole, but the velvet glove is used here for fear they would get a 'criminal record', bless.

FTA69

zom wrote: »

I couldn't even imagine Gardai doing this. We should never complain about them.

You couldn't imagine the cops in Ireland beating the f*ck out of someone?

You don't know what you're on about.

seamus

Looks to me like he's fighting them and refusing to get on the ground.

I wouldn't exactly say that's a clear cut example of police brutality. If it is, it's certainly a lot tamer than what used to pass for police brutality.

keithclancy

zom wrote: »

Brutal Police in Germany - you really shouldn't complain about our Gardai:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmhjJpR2elA

Fresh video from June. Seven huge German robocops making pulp of one of discoteque client in Bremen (Germany). I couldn't even imagine Gardai doing this. We should never complain about them.

Thats the Riot Police I believe, not the standard Polizei, looks like their trying to get him to comply with arrest.

Must have been serious for them to be called.

Saw something similar in Cologne, I think about 200 of those guys turned up at the Train station due to some sort of Muslim protest and a train coming from a Football arriving at the same time.

They have around 200 Polizei on standby for such an event.

In General I've never had a problem with the German Police, their always straight and courteous with you if you are the same with them.

Those Riot Police and similarly in the Netherlands/France/Belgium its unknown what will happen, their usually pumped up and scared shítless as they've had bricks and whatever a crowd could throw at them shortly before hand.

IMO Every time the Police arrest someone it looks violent to a bystander as they are just not used to it.

daheff

i dont see anything wrong with what they did. Hes resisted being arrested. If anything the fact it takes 7 of them to put him to the ground speaks more about their lack of ability to do the job than anything else (some of them look like they are afraid to break a nail). And one if making some half arsed attempts at hitting him with a night stick.

I;ve seen Irish Gardai do much worse.

jester77

It says in the report that he was basically acting the boll*x and it looks like he was resisting them. It says he ended up in hospital with bruised ribs, got what he deserved.

You rarely ever see trouble in Germany because people know not to f*ck with the Polizei. They are respected here.

Cienciano

Reminds me of the shell to sea "police brutality" videos. It's cut to just the bits of the police being heavy handed. Give me the video from at least 30 seconds before, without bits in the middle cut out, in order to make a proper judgement.

tayto lover

I think the Garda are too soft on the thugs on our streets.
A few thumps of a baton is needed for the drink fuelled he-men I see shouting and fighting on the streets at night. Let them know what their behaviour can lead to.

Fozzie Bear

zom wrote: »

Brutal Police in Germany - you really shouldn't complain about our Gardai:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmhjJpR2elA

Fresh video from June. Seven huge German robocops making pulp of one of discoteque client in Bremen (Germany). I couldn't even imagine Gardai doing this. We should never complain about them.

1. Brutality me hole. Pulp me hole. The spa got a couple of slight digs for resisting and walked out of the place. Not strapped to a gurnie. I've seen worse wimmens scraps in Supermacs at 2am.

2. If they are "huge German robocops" then a small one must be about 3 foot tall. They looked fairly averages sized blokes. Did one of them have a pair of glasses on him FFS??? Looks more like a librarian:D

3. You are right. By and large we shouldn't complain about our unarmed, under resourced, under manned, badily equipped police force. The vast majority of them do a very bloody difficult job well and get little thanks for it.

BigGrayKettle

They aren't beating the ****e out of him by any stretch - the cop with the baton is going fairly handy and more so just to get him on the ground. He was hitting him on the legs to try and get him to go down, and then on the back when he still wouldn't lie down.

Anyone who thinks they have the balls to resist a bunch of German riot police deserves a few digs.

EyeSight

better than the non police we have here....

wretcheddomain

Slunk wrote: »

If we had police like this maybe people would fear and respect them more instead of being a laughing stock.

You also run the risk of it being exploited so the officer can beat the **** out of someone and claim they were acting inappropriately. It's a two way street Slunk.

fishy fishy

zom wrote: »

Brutal Police in Germany - you really shouldn't complain about our Gardai:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmhjJpR2elA

Fresh video from June. Seven huge German robocops making pulp of one of discoteque client in Bremen (Germany). I couldn't even imagine Gardai doing this. We should never complain about them.

three words

SHELL TO SEA


don't you keep up with the news at home at all?

Cool_CM

In Germany and other Germanic countries you do not fuck with the police. Simple as. They are generally approachable and very helpful, but if you cross them you will receive a reaction very different to that you receive from the Gardai.

Christ the Redeemer

The Germans can't complain because of the absolutely horrific police force the yanks are stuck with, who can't complain because the Brazilian police etc etc..

gramar

Fairly tame I thought. I'd change the name of the thread.

cournioni

OP, you should avoid watching Cops on CBS Reailty so, proper policing without any bull****. To be honest I like watching police that know what they're at throwing some scummer to the ground for resisting arrest. People have to learn to show authorities some respect.

daddyorchips

Op you have obviously never been hit in the head with a speed gun for underage drinking

Drakares

Ill informed clown OP.

Almost 250,000 people serve in the German police force, but they're all mud eating savages because 4 of them gave some fella a few digs (which by the look of it he deserved).

I'm living in Southern Germany in a large town and I sleep with my windows open. Have never had a bad experience with the cops here.

PS: Why should it be okay for the Guards in Ireland to puck the head off some young lad because people are worse treated by Police in another country?? Where's the logic?

Cienciano

I'd rather the german style police over ours. At least when you report something they actually take it seriously over there.

anto9

The commentator was making much of the fact that the injured man was a family man with two kids .I have lived before in Germany ,Berlin and found the cops helpful .( the clip in question is from Bremen ) .My first night i arrived late in the City by motorcycle and a cop i asked went out of his way and brought me around to a few places to get accommodation .

Muckie

I love watching Cops, when johnny scumbag resists or runs.

Its tazer time :pac:

gobnaitolunacy

anto9 wrote: »

The commentator was making much of the fact that the injured man was a family man with two kids

Oh boo-hoo, what does that factoid have to do with anything? He is capable of reproduction, I'm happy for him.

Problem123456

What did they do wrong?

josip

Nothing wrong with how the police acted. They didn't seem incompetent, it seemed like they all had a role and were acting as a team to bring him down in an effective manner without having to crack his head open.

seamus

anto9 wrote: »

The commentator was making much of the fact that the injured man was a family man with two kids

Sometimes sensationalists try to put forward this idea that because a person is X, then they must have desirable traits Y.

That is, he's a father with two kids, therefore he must a hordworking and decent guy.
She's a single working mother therefore she must be honest and upfront.
He's a 65 year old who goes to mass every Sunday, therefore he would never do anything immoral

All bull, trying to fall back to traditional stereotypes to make a case.

mr kr0nik

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I would like to see this kind of policing in certain areas of Dublin City centre

It already goes on but it's more of a "citizens arrest" between two (or more) citizens.

Wacker The Attacker

If the gardai aren't doing their job, Why wouldn't we complain?

hatrickpatrick

Ah, the worst kind of strawman. We shouldn't complain about someone doing bad things, because someone else might be doing something worse.

By that rationale should we let murderers off the hook because some other murderer has killed more people?

brick_top

zom wrote: »

Brutal Police in Germany - you really shouldn't complain about our Gardai:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmhjJpR2elA

Fresh video from June. Seven huge German robocops making pulp of one of discoteque client in Bremen (Germany). I couldn't even imagine Gardai doing this. We should never complain about them.

don't benchmark against bad behaviour

brick_top

Cienciano wrote: »

I'd rather the german style police over ours. At least when you report something they actually take it seriously over there.

how serious our police take reports depends on who is doing the complaining and secondly, who is being complained about

end of the road

Slunk wrote: »

If we had police like this maybe people would fear and respect them more instead of being a laughing stock.

or maybe they wouldn't, whatever about respect, nobody should "fear" the police, all though beating people up doesn't make one respect you but delude yourself that having such policing "might" make people respect them, the evidence from similar countries is that it doesn't work

Slunk wrote: »

You can see from a young age kids have no respect or fear of the gardai.

a lot of trust between the guardai and certain communities has been lost but it is being worked on slowly, "fearing" the police isn't a good thing

Slunk wrote: »

A few belts of a baton would change that

would it? any evidence to back that up or are you one of these delusianel people who think heavy handedness = respect? obviously that isn't the case as if it was proven to be the case then the government would allow it

end of the road

cournioni wrote: »

OP, you should avoid watching Cops on CBS Reailty so, proper policing without any bull****.

i wouldn't call that "proper" policing, our lot is what you could call that

cournioni wrote: »

To be honest I like watching police that know what they're at throwing some scummer to the ground for resisting arrest.

ah they don't know what their at though, anyone can join the force over there.

cournioni wrote: »

People have to learn to show authorities some respect.

no not at all they don't, the authorities have to earn the peoples respect and show it before they can get it, just like everyone else.

wicklowstevo

Slunk wrote: »

Doesn't look all that bad. He managed to walk out of the place albeit in handcuffs. If we had police like this maybe people would fear and respect them more instead of being a laughing stock. You can see from a young age kids have no respect or fear of the gardai. A few belts of a baton would change that

few belts of a baton and youd have their mammys and daddies running to their solicitors and GSOC .
Irish people don't want to be policed (its like a hang up from pre war of independence ), many Irish people seem to think that the police are only there for other people and not for them ,

holystungun9

Could have been one of those gay underground beat up clubs.

wicklowstevo

end of the road wrote: »

i wouldn't call that "proper" policing, our lot is what you could call that

ah they don't know what their at though, anyone can join the force over there.

no not at all they don't, the authorities have to earn the peoples respect and show it before they can get it, just like everyone else.

Isnt that what makes them authorities ? that a grand motto for personal relationships ,but usually your only going to meet police if your up set angry scared and or drunk or otherwise intoxicated . maybe you should be displaying some maturity so that you don't have to be policed ?

gctest50

zom wrote: »

Brutal Police in Germany ...........

This is what you were looking for

Seven of them to detain one lad, that weighs less than the average secondary school school bag?


Send them back to Polizei school.

JJayoo

Good enough for him. What kind of idiot tries to resist the cops? Did he think the cops would admire his "toughness" and let him leave.

Lando Griffin

cournioni wrote: »

OP, you should avoid watching Cops on CBS Reailty so, proper policing without any bull****. To be honest I like watching police that know what they're at throwing some scummer to the ground for resisting arrest. People have to learn to show authorities some respect.

Show respect, demanding respect , don't question anything they do for fear.
Is this not what happened in Nazi Germany.

JJayoo

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Show respect, demanding respect , don't question anything they do for fear.
Is this not what happened in Nazi Germany.

No

AlekSmart

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Show respect, demanding respect , don't question anything they do for fear.
Is this not what happened in Nazi Germany.

At last...I call Godwin !!...wheres my 100 D/marks !

AlekSmart

end of the road: Would it? any evidence to back that up or are you one of these delusianel people who think heavy handedness = respect? obviously that isn't the case as if it was proven to be the case then the government would allow it

A strong definite counter response to a threat is usually the first means of dealing with that issue.

It is far from delusional to see a strong physical response to a situation has anything to do with this "Respect" which form a significant part of your interpretation of Policing issues.

In face-to-face situations,particularly where Alcohol and Public Order issues combine,it is largely a moot point as to levels of understanding and respect for "Authority" itself or it's enforcement agents...ie the Polizi/Gardai.

This deliberation about respect and levels of appropriate fear is all well on good when espoused on the floor of a debating chamber,but outside a Nightclub Door at 0300 of a balmy summers moring,with a combination of substances starting to chemically react in the body,then I suggest a robust and rapid physical response is most appropriate.

AFAICS,the only way the soft-touch policing eotr craves can be achieved,is if every Garda is accompanied by a psychologist whilst on the beat...

Fear,of itself,is not always a negative undesirable emotion.
Fear is as much an integral part of the Human Defence Mechanism as it stimulates our sense of preservation and prompts us to search for a safer option.

My neighbours have a very bad tempered Rottweiler cross,which prompts me to always scan their gate as I drive up to my own house...I respect the animal,and I take appropriate action to ensure I comply with whatever it requires to keep it's teeth out of my ass,other than that I'm cool with the dog,and will happily pat its head when it's in mellow (muzzled) mood.

Delusional...ok if it helps,but to me it's realistic and fully deserved...;)