TV licence from An Post

xiuzhen

Just receive a leaflet from An post says inspector was unable to gain attention at this address,today. my address is not covered by a current television.Under Act 2009 I am obliged to hold a current TV licence if there is a television set in or on the premises.
Also mentioned, have to pay TV licence in 5 working days, otherwise further action will be taken.

I am renting apartment in Dublin city center and having a TV in my apt that was belong to my landlord. I never use that TV and put in under my table.

Is it the problem? or I have to pay for it? Is it the best way to return TV to my landlord, please?

What should I do about it, I am new in Dublin, please give me a hand on this, please?

SebBerkovich

xiuzhen wrote: »

Just receive a leaflet from An post says inspector was unable to gain attention at this address,today. my address is not covered by a current television.Under Act 2009 I am obliged to hold a current TV licence if there is a television set in or on the premises.
Also mentioned, have to pay TV licence in 5 working days, otherwise further action will be taken.

I am renting apartment in Dublin city center and having a TV in my apt that was belong to my landlord. I never use that TV and put in under my table.

Is it the problem? or I have to pay for it? Is it the best way to return TV to my landlord, please?

What should I do about it, I am new in Dublin, please give me a hand on this, please?

If there is a TV in your place, whether you use it or not you still have to pay a licence. So i would just go ahead and do that.

nudger

Contact the landlord tell him his TV licence renewal has arrived.
Let him know that you don't need a tv and could he remove it.

chris85

nudger wrote: »

Contact the landlord tell him his TV licence renewal has arrived.
Let him know that you don't need a tv and could he remove it.

Its not the landlord's TV licence, the person residing at the property is liable. However I would agree to contact the landlord to tell him to remove the TV and then contact An Post to advise you have no TV in the property.

limitedIQ

who's name did the leaflet have on it, was it yours or just "Occupant" ?

If you ignore it how will they fine you ?

But if its not your TV, ask the landlord to remove it within 5 days.

xiuzhen

Thank you so much for reply me.
it's a postcard says 'Occupier', I asked my landlord to remove it, she told me that she dose not have space for it. I have TV at home and it's not connected. I will be fine. I am not if she cares about that. Any suggestions?

SebBerkovich

You should probably read through this to see if you need to pay the licence or not.

runawaybishop

If there is a TV in your house, even if it is unplugged and in a press, you need to have a TV license for it. I'd be asking the LL for the license fee (since you say you don't want/use the tv), or removal of the TV.

nudger

chris85 wrote: »

Its not the landlord's TV licence, the person residing at the property is liable. However I would agree to contact the landlord to tell him to remove the TV and then contact An Post to advise you have no TV in the property.

When you receive the letter it states that it is a renewal, if you are new to the property then it reverts to the Ll.

If they call around and they do, you will be fined.

Had to much crap over this so I pay it for my tenant's, use it as a bonus in interviews.

If you have a tv in the property unplugged or not and they call you will be fined, tell him to remove it now.

chris85

nudger wrote: »

When you receive the letter it states that it is a renewal, if you are new to the property then it reverts to the Ll.

If they call around and they do, you will be fined.

Had to much crap over this so I pay it for my tenant's, use it as a bonus in interviews.

If you have a tv in the property unplugged or not and they call you will be fined, tell him to remove it now.

LL is never liable unless they live in the property, doesnt matter if renewal, thats not nothing to do with it.

Link to info below

Terms and conditions 1.Any person in occupancy at an address where a television set is held is legally responsible for the licensing of the television set regardless of ownership of either the premises or the set itself. 2.Under Section 148 of the Broadcasting Act 2009, it is a prosecutable offence to be in possession of an unlicensed television set. Fines for a first offence can be up to €1,000 and €2,000 for subsequent offences.
3.A Television Licence is deemed to be granted by way of a Renewal of a previous licence where the licence a) is granted to a person to whom the previous licence was granted, b) relates to the same specified place to which the previous licence related and is granted within one month before or within twelve months after the expiration of the previous licence.
4.A First Time/Original Television Licence is every licence not granted by way of renewal. It comes into force on the day on which it was granted and continues in force until the end of the eleventh month after the month it was granted. If you choose to purchase a First Time/Original TV Licence when the Renewal option is more appropriate, An Post, on behalf of the Minister, may amend your licence in such manner as appears to him or her or An Post to be proper in the circumstances, in particular, (for the purpose of correction) a date to which it relates.

reprazant

Every household, business or institution in Ireland with a television or equipment capable of receiving a television signal (using an aerial, satellite dish, cable or other means) must have a television licence.

Doesn't matter if you don't have a tv anymore, if you are capable of receiving a signal you need the license. Afaik, this includes if you have a computer/laptop/ipad etc in the gaff.

GLaDOS

reprazant wrote: »

Afaik, this includes if you have a computer/laptop/ipad etc in the gaff.

It doesn't, that's why they're bringing in the broadcasting charge instead, as it will cover everything.

EyeSight

what happens if you get one of these and have no tv? if you let them in to see i assume that's ok but what if you don't let them in. If they can't physically see a TV, how can they fine you?

Mr Whirly

xiuzhen wrote: »

Thank you so much for reply me.
it's a postcard says 'Occupier'

If it's addressed to the occupier you're grand. Just don't give your name to anyone that calls to your door and there's nothing they can do.

melekalikimaka

ScienceNerd wrote: »

It doesn't, that's why they're bringing in the broadcasting charge instead, as it will cover everything.

so you are saying i dont need to play licence if i have ipad pc and laptop all capable of receiving rte player?

GLaDOS

melekalikimaka wrote: »

so you are saying i dont need to play licence if i have ipad pc and laptop all capable of receiving rte player?

As I understand it, yes. Until they bring in the broadcasting charge.

melekalikimaka

ScienceNerd wrote: »

As I understand it, yes. Until they bring in the broadcasting charge.

http://siliconrepublic.com/news/article/12982/comms/government-says-no-tv-licence-needed-for-rte-online

bit dated but seems legit

jlm29

Out of curiosity, where does saor view come into this? Just say the tv the op has, is plugged out, and stored under the stairs, and predates saor view so therefore isn't capable of receiving a signal. Are they still liable then?

djimi

jlm29 wrote: »

Out of curiosity, where does saor view come into this? Just say the tv the op has, is plugged out, and stored under the stairs, and predates saor view so therefore isn't capable of receiving a signal. Are they still liable then?

It doesnt matter if it is actively recieving a TV signal, the fact that it can (once it has a SCART connection it can be connected to a Sky/UPC box) is enough to warrant the charge.

Del2005

djimi wrote: »

It doesnt matter if it is actively recieving a TV signal, the fact that it can (once it has a SCART connection it can be connected to a Sky/UPC box) is enough to warrant the charge.

A TV which doesn't have Saorview can't receive a TV signal unless it's connected to a device which can receive a signal, for which you would need a licence.

Raises the question of do you need a licence for a TV without Saorview and don't have any other device capable of receiving a signal in the home?

Frank Lee Midere

Mr Whirly wrote: »

If it's addressed to the occupier you're grand. Just don't give your name to anyone that calls to your door and there's nothing they can do.

They can work out who the occupier is.

riclad

IF you have no connection to upc, cable tv , or a saorview box ,
you should not have to pay for tv licence.
as you have no way of watching tv.
In my experience ,they ask for a tv license ,if they see a cable tv connection.
they Have acess to cable ,sky tv records.
A non saorview tv is useless unless you connect it to a saorview reciever thru scart cable or a satellite reviever connected to a dish.
there,s no longer any tv signals broadcast thru uhf transmitters.
you cant watch tv ,there
unless you have a sky box,or a saorview reciever.
maybe just pass on the letter to the landlord ,and let him deal with it .

djimi

Del2005 wrote: »

A TV which doesn't have Saorview can't receive a TV signal unless it's connected to a device which can receive a signal, for which you would need a licence.

Raises the question of do you need a licence for a TV without Saorview and don't have any other device capable of receiving a signal in the home?

Yes, you do. It's pretty clear that you just pay if you have a device that is capable of receiving a TV signal; it doesn't actually matter if you have the accompanying device to make it happen or not.

Pretty Polly

ScienceNerd wrote: »

As I understand it, yes. Until they bring in the broadcasting charge.

Another charge waiting for us down the line...just lovely!

djimi

Its the same charge in fairness; just a few more people will have to pay it.

Richard Dower

Do you pay for every tv in the house?....what about PC monitors?...or laptops/tablets/smart phones??

djimi

No its just one license per household regardless of the number of devices.

No Pants

djimi wrote: »

No its just one license per household regardless of the number of devices.

So far. Would be an easy source of revenue. Each licence allows the household to have 3/5/10 devices, more requires an additional licence.

L1011

No Pants wrote: »

So far. Would be an easy source of revenue. Each licence allows the household to have 3/5/10 devices, more requires an additional licence.

Don't be giving them ideas... and definitely don't mention the old German system! (an absolute mess of radio licences, TV licences, licences for cars and for >18 year olds living at home. Since rationalised)

shruikan2553

In my house the LL left a TV from previous residents here. It is stored so unless the TV licence inspector breaks in and searches the house we are safe. They wont have our names unless we tell them so theres nothing they can do

Gatling

shruikan2553 wrote: »

In my house the LL left a TV from previous residents here. It is stored so unless the TV licence inspector breaks in and searches the house we are safe. They wont have our names unless we tell them so theres nothing they can do

But if you have a subscription for broadband or sky/UPC well then they'll get you through them eventually if the powers that be get there way

Firefox11

At least the change (since it's not a new or another charge) in the licence may be less.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/broadcast-charge-to-be-less-than-tv-licence-if-more-people-pay-up-29366899.html

MemZ

Hi I'm living in an apartment, a TV licence guy knocked on my door in February and asked did I have a TV licence, I said no and he took my name and said he would call back in a week. He didn't call back and i received a registered letter with a court summons, I didn't get any letter advising me to get a TV licence before this. He never asked me do i have a TV, does he have a way of telling if i do or not? The only reason he was able to knock on my door was because both security doors to my apartment were broke at the time and we had a lot of dodgy people hanging around on the stairs (teenagers and even junkies), I'm assuming they were stealing my post because I didn't get a few of my letters from family and maybe even college. Is there anyway I can avoid having to go to court, like by explaining this to the solicitor who sent me the letter or going straight to the TV licence office?

shruikan2553

MemZ wrote: »

Hi I'm living in an apartment, a TV licence guy knocked on my door in February and asked did I have a TV licence, I said no and he took my name and said he would call back in a week. He didn't call back and i received a registered letter with a court summons, I didn't get any letter advising me to get a TV licence before this. He never asked me do i have a TV, does he have a way of telling if i do or not? The only reason he was able to knock on my door was because both security doors to my apartment were broke at the time and we had a lot of dodgy people hanging around on the stairs (teenagers and even junkies), I'm assuming they were stealing my post because I didn't get a few of my letters from family and maybe even college. Is there anyway I can avoid having to go to court, like by explaining this to the solicitor who sent me the letter or going straight to the TV licence office?

If you dont have a TV call the TV licence people and explain it to them you dont and have no reason to own a TV licence, they have no proof that you have one unless you told them you did (which you didnt)

MemZ

So there's no way they can detect that I do have one? I'm just trying to avoid going to court and I'm willing to buy a TV licence to do that.

shruikan2553

MemZ wrote: »

So there's no way they can detect that I do have one? I'm just trying to avoid going to court and I'm willing to buy a TV licence to do that.

They can only detect a TV with eyes and ears. It is possible they can see through window but you're in an appartment.

Call and let them know they have made a mistake and they'll sort it out. You shouldnt need to go to court

MemZ

got it sorted, just have to buy a TV licence and pay 80 euro for court costs so I don't have to appear, thanks for your help

Pretty Polly

I share an apartment with 2 others. Today we received a letter saying there is no record of a current tv licence at our address. Fair enough.

The letter was addressed to my brother (I cleared it with him before I opened the letter).He has had his post sent here 2 or 3 times previously but he doesn't live here so im wondering why An Post used his name on the letter or what is their system of sending out letters?

shruikan2553

Pretty Polly wrote: »

I share an apartment with 2 others. Today we received a letter saying there is no record of a current tv licence at our address. Fair enough.

The letter was addressed to my brother (I cleared it with him before I opened the letter).He has had post sent here 2 or 3 times previously but he doesn't live here so im wondering why An Post used his name on the letter or what is their system of sending out letters?

Their system is something along the lines of get a name and keep sending letters until finally a court summons through registered post. If it turns out they dont live there they send someone out to find a name and repeat the process.

EDIT: Just noticed you said he didnt live there. Did he get anything through registered post? I think they can use that to get a name.

Mr Whirly

But they have no way of finding out your name unless you tell them.

Pretty Polly

Our house is a massive one that has been converted into 3 apartments. The letter wasn't registered, it was just put in through the letter box.

I just found it odd to see my brothers name on the letter since he has never even set foot in the apartment.

gurramok

Pretty Polly wrote: »

Our house is a massive one that has been converted into 3 apartments. The letter wasn't registered, it was just put in through the letter box.

I just found it odd to see my brothers name on the letter since he has never even set foot in the apartment.

Assuming your brother did not tell the TV license people his name the only other ways An Post can find out who the occupant is if your brother either received registered post in his name of any kind to your address before or his name is on the electoral register for that address.

Pretty Polly

gurramok wrote: »

Assuming your brother did not tell the TV license people his name the only other ways An Post can find out who the occupant is if your brother either received registered post in his name of any kind to your address before or his name is on the electoral register for that address.

He has never received registered post in his name to our address, they have just been 2/3 normal letters. Any post to do with voting gets sent to our homeplace where the mammy lives as that's the address they have. Im still a bit baffled how they got his name.

shruikan2553

The only thing I can think of is that someone gave them his name when they called around. Definitely dont accept any registered post for him, has a high probability of being a court summons. Best to call them and tell them that you have no need to get one or to buy one.

Pretty Polly

Well we do need to get a new Tv licence, they are right about that. I don't like the thoughts of forking out for this only to find we have to pay the broadcasting charge in a few months as well.

I wonder if we will get another letter in my brothers name?

shruikan2553

Once there is a TV licence at that address they will drop your brother instantly and move on to sending the named person on the TV licence letters when it expires.

djimi

Pretty Polly wrote: »

I don't like the thoughts of forking out for this only to find we have to pay the broadcasting charge in a few months as well.

The broadcasting charge is the TV license, isnt it?

Pretty Polly

djimi wrote: »

The broadcasting charge is the TV license, isnt it?

Yeah that makes sense actually! I'm not sure what way I was figuring it out in my head.

mitosis

Mr Whirly wrote: »

But they have no way of finding out your name unless you tell them.

Unless of course you get post. Remember, it is An Post who collects the TV licence, and who delivers letters to your address. Every now and then they do a cross check.

maniac2000

I live in a rented house with 2 other friends. Given we all work during week and the house is unoccupied from 7am-9pm most days bar the weekend could we just avoid answering the door unless we know who it is and be ok(and we generally know when people are calling by anyways so a random knock means it goes unanswered )?

I guessing there is no other way they can get access to somebody to issue a fine esp given the last licence was in a name of a tenant who no longer lives there! If a summons arrives it wont be in any of our names and so wont be opened rather binned! Even if a letter arrives with our name on it we could say it never arrived

We will be paying it soon as not worth hassle further down the road but i'm just curious as to what would happen...?

Mr Whirly

mitosis wrote: »

Unless of course you get post. Remember, it is An Post who collects the TV licence, and who delivers letters to your address. Every now and then they do a cross check.

They're pretty crap at it. We've been in this house for 3 years. I've closed the door on the tv license inspectors face countless times after he has asked my name. I have loads of bills arriving here.

He was on a mission to get us for about 2 months as well so if it's as easy as you say I'm sure he would have.