Cyber bullying worse then old fashioned bullying? Is either a crime?

expectationlost

new report byGovernment’s special rapporteur on child protection http://www.dcya.gov.ie/documents/Publications/SixthRapporrteurReport.pdf

Report to recommend criminal offence for cyberbullying

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/report-to-recommend-criminal-offence-for-cyberbullying-1.1459622

seems to be suggesting cyberbullying is worse then old fashioned bullying, mainly cos it can continue outside school at a distance, but is really worse does cyber-bullying actually lead to more evidence other as opposed to most likely one child words against another when its IRL, does a written record embarrass the teacher or parent into having to do something about it more so then IRL bullying, is cyber bullying more likely a crime then bullying.

boards.ie also gets a namecheck

Amirani

Is it not already a crime under the umbrella of harassment?

tommy2bad

I suspect that this is a sneaky way to make criticizing the government a crime.

expectationlost

NiallSparky wrote: »

Is it not already a crime under the umbrella of harassment?

yes mostly but FHE wants a Fraping statute

Dravokivich

Bullying is Bullying regardless of where or how it happens. There is a greater chance of exposure to it, due to the availability of being online so easily, such as with smart phones & facebook. But that doesn't make bullying online any different from bullying in the school yard or work place. The action and intent is the same, the only variant is where it occurs. Why should the location become questionable or a factor?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

I'd call it child abuse. Just because the bully is another child, doesn't mean the victim suffers any less.

Genghiz Cohen

I'm glad it's finally being made illegal.
Criminalisation has worked so well for a whole host of other topics, like drugs, underage drinking, speed limits and littering.

BeerWolf

I absolutely despise bullying [though honestly I've never been at the receiving end of it from any form personally], but I just don't understand why cyber-bullying is 'worse' ?

What's stopping you from putting the person on block / ignore ?

Example: Playing League of Legends, the community there is nothing short of disgusting, but I can just put the person on ignore and that's the end of that. No more seeing the tripe that player would be spewing.

Dravokivich

BeerWolf wrote: »

I absolutely despise bullying, but I just don't understand why cyber-bullying is 'worse' ?

What's stopping you from putting the person on block / ignore ?

Example: Playing League of Legends, the community there is nothing short of disgusting, but I can just put the person on ignore and that's the end of that. No more seeing the tripe that player would be spewing.

You can only put an account on ignore usually. It costs nothing to do up another one and another and another...

Corkbah

whats next jailing comedians because in effect someone will be offended at their bullying jibes !!

Quite a lot of comedy is at someone's expense ...so is technically bullying !!

shruikan2553

BeerWolf wrote: »

I absolutely despise bullying [though honestly I've never been at the receiving end of it from any form personally], but I just don't understand why cyber-bullying is 'worse' ?

What's stopping you from putting the person on block / ignore ?

Example: Playing League of Legends, the community there is nothing short of disgusting, but I can just put the person on ignore and that's the end of that. No more seeing the tripe that player would be spewing.

This is something I never understood especially with the ask.fm stuff. Oh no people are being mean to me, maybe I should block them or not use ask.fm

Corkbah

pretty soon it'll be like the movie "demolition man" ... where if you swear you are automatically issued with "demerit points" (or a fine)

FFS - bullying is serious, as a victim of bullying in school I think the most important thing to do is to educate about acceptance, help stamp out bullying in schools, encourage people to interact with others so they can get to know and realise what things they may have in common....and if they have nothing in common ... they accept that they are different to the other person in the same way that the other person is different to them.... so why pick on them ? why make fun of them ? if they are just as different.

BeerWolf

Dravokivich wrote: »

You can only put an account on ignore usually. It costs nothing to do up another one and another and another...

Let them waste their time to make a new account, only takes a second to put on ignore. :pac:

Banjo String

Cyber bullying is infinitely worse than old fashioned bullying IMO.

Teenagers can be victims to the bullies at anytime now. Piped right into what was once seen as a sanctuary, ie the home or bedroom.

In my day, a victim got respite at home or on holidays as the bully wasn't seen or heard.

Clandestine

This will probably be the most subjective law ever passed if it goes through. Who to say what is harassment and what is a joke? A law like this is bound to be abused.

Guill

AS someone who grew up being bullied i shudder at the thoughts of what victims of bullying go through now. Where I could go home and be safe and sound for a few hours until the next day. Social media and mobile phones now make it possible for bullying to continue 24 7. It's horrible the thing that are said on sites like Askfm.

Corkbah

SamHall wrote: »

Cyber bullying is infinitely worse than old fashioned bullying IMO.

Teenagers can be victims to the bullies at anytime now. Piped right into what was once seen as a sanctuary, ie the home or bedroom.

In my day, a victim got respite at home or on holidays as the bully wasn't seen or heard.

in reality teenagers/children could have been bullied by others in the home or by others while they are on their holiday ..... so cyber bullying simply allows the bully to constantly attack (but then again - if the victim is not available on social media they cannot receive the cyber bullying)

why not ban social media for U16's

Clandestine

Guill wrote: »

Social media and mobile phones now make it possible for bullying to continue 24 7.

Not if you block the people causing the hassle or simply report them to facebook/askfm or whomever.

hatrickpatrick

Recognize this for what it is. The government doesn't give a flying f*ck about cyberbullying, they just see it as the easiest way to begin the slippery slope to a regulated internet, after their attempts to cover their intentions with the piracy excuse were torn to shreds by the public.

Don't be fooled by emotionally manipulative arguments or stories, this isn't about bullying but about giving the government its first foothold in being able to decide what is and is not acceptable in terms of free speech online. Don't let it happen.

Wibbs

Guill wrote: »

AS someone who grew up being bullied i shudder at the thoughts of what victims of bullying go through now. Where I could go home and be safe and sound for a few hours until the next day. Social media and mobile phones now make it possible for bullying to continue 24 7. It's horrible the thing that are said on sites like Askfm.

This. In my day*croaky voice* the bullied kids got some respite, plus they could reinvent themselves over time. Now it's all pickled, forever searchable by google. I can't imagine what it would be like for some of my dopey teenage crap to be still around years later.

hatrickpatrick

Corkbah wrote: »

why not ban social media for U16's

Are you actually serious? Typical Irish solution - instead of dealing with individual cases, let's just do a blanket ban while we're at it so the vast majority who are sensible enough not to act like idiots have to suffer as well!

The specific people who have an issue with it should turn off the computer, but leave everyone else alone FFS.

Guill wrote: »

AS someone who grew up being bullied i shudder at the thoughts of what victims of bullying go through now. Where I could go home and be safe and sound for a few hours until the next day. Social media and mobile phones now make it possible for bullying to continue 24 7. It's horrible the thing that are said on sites like Askfm.

And it's not like people choose to create an ask.fm page, is it? Of course it's entirely obligatory for every internet user to have one and allow everyone to post comments on it...

Clandestine

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Don't be fooled by emotionally manipulative arguments or stories, this isn't about bullying but about giving the government its first foothold in being able to decide what is and is not acceptable in terms of free speech online. Don't let it happen.

^^^^
Free speech must be protected. I fear soon enough the PC brigade will start handing out fines or worse for people who dare to speak their mind on social issues e.g multiculturalism or other topics online or offline because they may "offend" others.

Corkbah

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Are you actually serious? Typical Irish solution - instead of dealing with individual cases, let's just do a blanket ban while we're at it so the vast majority who are sensible enough not to act like idiots have to suffer as well!

The specific people who have an issue with it should turn off the computer, but leave everyone else alone FFS.




And it's not like people choose to create an ask.fm page, is it? Of course it's entirely obligatory for every internet user to have one and allow everyone to post comments on it...

please read my first few comments

hatrickpatrick

Clandestine wrote: »

^^^^
Free speech must be protected. I fear soon enough the PC brigade will start handing out fines or worse for people who dare to speak their mind on social issues e.g multiculturalism or other topics online or offline because they may "offend" others.

I'm not a Reddit user, but have you ever heard of a Reddit page called "Sh!t Reddit Says"? This is precisely what you describe: They go around looking for anything even remotely un-PC to get offended about and then complain to site admins trying to get people censored or shut down. They attempted to do this on 4chan of all places... Results were predictable hilarious See Encyclopedia Dramatica if you want the full story

anncoates

At least an Internet thread can't break your glasses, flush your head down the toilet or nick your lunch money.

hatrickpatrick

Corkbah wrote: »

please read my first few comments

I must apologise sir... You must understand that in the era of people like Fidelma Healy Eames actually sitting in our parliament and going on about "People being reyyyyped on Feyyyyycebook", it's easy to get a little exasperated whenever this subject comes up

Clandestine

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'm not a Reddit user, but have you ever heard of a Reddit page called "Sh!t Reddit Says"? This is precisely what you describe: They go around looking for anything even remotely un-PC to get offended about and then complain to site admins trying to get people censored or shut down

Oh god yes

I spend a lot of time on /pol/ so i know all about them. They got the admins to ban one of my favorite subs on reddit (you might know which one it is, caused a lot of controversy recently)

Guill

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

And it's not like people choose to create an ask.fm page, is it? Of course it's entirely obligatory for every internet user to have one and allow everyone to post comments on it...

So people should not join social media sites cause bullying will occur and that will stop the bullying? ffs.... cop on. Everyone has a choice. I used to choose to play sports and I got attacked many times on my way home from the guy that bullied me. Did i stop? No! Why should the victim have to change. Ignorance like yours really pisses me off.

hatrickpatrick

Guill wrote: »

So people should not join social media sites cause bullying will occur and that will stop the bullying? ffs.... cop on. Everyone has a choice. I used to choose to play sports and I got attacked many times on my way home from the guy that bullied me. Did i stop? No! Why should the victim have to change. Ignorance like yours really pisses me off.

Ask.fm is an unmoderated website, if you choose to use that specific website you do so with the understanding that what's posted on it may offend you and that no comments are censored except by yourself.
Now personally I'm not someone who takes the internet even remotely seriously, but if I did I would either remove the comments from my page which upset me or simply not use websites which champion freedom of speech over protecting people from being offended. Why should the internet have to change because a small minority can't hack it?

Guill

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Ask.fm is an unmoderated website, if you choose to use that specific website you do so with the understanding that what's posted on it may offend you and that no comments are censored except by yourself.
Now personally I'm not someone who takes the internet even remotely seriously, but if I did I would either remove the comments from my page which upset me or simply not use websites which champion freedom of speech over protecting people from being offended. Why should the internet have to change because a small minority can't hack it?

Seriously, your really drawing at straws here. Being offended and being bullied are two completely different things. Also, when you talk about how level headed you are don't forget that we are talking about children and teens here and not adults who can be as emotionally stable and pro-active as yourself.

Also, who is talking about changing the internet? Not me.

hatrickpatrick

Guill wrote: »

Seriously, your really drawing at straws here. Being offended and being bullied are two completely different things. Also, when you talk about how level headed you are don't forget that we are talking about children and teens here and not adults who can be as emotionally stable and pro-active as yourself.

Also, who is talking about changing the internet? Not me.

Our government has been. They asked ask.fm to change their policies and there was even talk of blocking it here from one or two quarters:

http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/facebook-refuses-to-block-app-for-askfm-site-linked-to-irish-girls-suicide-29083708.html

However, Children's Minister Frances Fitzgerald is now in contact with the EU and Latvian Government over growing concerns about Ask.fm and its links to cyber-bullying.

The Latvian site allows for anonymous user and has no reporting procedures for people concerned about online abuse or bullying.

This incenses me. They want to ban a site which a lot of us use for fun and have a great time with instead of telling parents to do their job? F*ck that.

expectationlost

Guill wrote: »

AS someone who grew up being bullied i shudder at the thoughts of what victims of bullying go through now. Where I could go home and be safe and sound for a few hours until the next day. Social media and mobile phones now make it possible for bullying to continue 24 7. It's horrible the thing that are said on sites like Askfm.

would you just not choose to not log on to ask.fm and restrict incoming access to your phone as much as possible

you really can live without ask.fm

nobody ask for it but there is form of self hatred when people log onto these things even when they've been abused through it

expectationlost

Corkbah wrote: »

in reality teenagers/children could have been bullied by others in the home or by others while they are on their holiday ..... so cyber bullying simply allows the bully to constantly attack (but then again - if the victim is not available on social media they cannot receive the cyber bullying)

why not ban social media for U16's

its not compulsory at the mo

Online bullying is no worse than anything else. If anything, it's nowhere near as bad as real world bullying. With it in the real world, you generally have no choice but to be around it. With Online, you do; you don't need to log on to ask.fm, Facebook, yada yada yada. But people still keep doing it, still keep going back to where it all happens.

Instead of trying to ban things, teach children to just not visit these places. Teach them how to have self-esteem.

MickFleetwood

Guill wrote: »

AS someone who grew up being bullied i shudder at the thoughts of what victims of bullying go through now. Where I could go home and be safe and sound for a few hours until the next day. Social media and mobile phones now make it possible for bullying to continue 24 7. It's horrible the thing that are said on sites like Askfm.

It's inevitable, though. Things like Ask.Fm where people are given a platform to anonymously spew hatred at other people is going to lead to, well, exactly that. Most of these people are absolute cowards who can only make their insignificant presence known behind a screen and a hidden identity.

Just don't start up an account.