Elderly brothers beaten to death during botched burglary in Castlebar

Dudda

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/elderly-brothers-beaten-to-death-during-botched-burglary-29408955.html

Terrible breaking news in Castlebar. Two brothers brutally beaten to death following a botched robbery.


Such a horrible thing to happen when you think your safe in your own home. Hope they catch those responsible.

Xenji

The two brothers were harmless as well and well known around town, I hope that this is a big wake up call for the town, most people know the element that perpetuated this and have been running rough shot around the town, I can see retaliations and reprisals against them for this, seeing that the Gardai have a proven record of not doing anything here.

Stinicker

There needs to be more liberal gun laws and the death penalty in Ireland. The scum responsible even if caught will get an 8 to 10 year manslaughter charge at best. There is no justice in Ireland and if someone did this to my parents or grandparents I'd make certain that those responsible were tracked down and made suffer. **** until the government changes things in Ireland it will be left to the people to try defend themselves.

yew_tree

Shocking news....especially when it happens in the middle of a busy town no matter what time of night it is.

Pity they didn't have a gun and blow these animal scum out through the window. Makes my blood boil this.

yop

MOD NOTE - Don't speculate as to who the people involved in this are please. Police haven't released the names of the 2 men yet and don't name or indicate who may have committed the offences.

Any mention will be given immediate and long bans.

Gardai and judges have shown to be totally inept, these robberies are going on for months and the gardai have nothing. Now it has escalated.

nuac

imho Gardai and judges do their best, but there are some legal constraints

A few suggestions

1. Everybody should be obliged to carry an identity card and produce it on demand

2 . Everybody should be obliged to account for their movements to Gardai

3. Bail provisions to be tightened up - this may involve having High court revisit the issue

4. Finger prints should be recorded on driving licences an d on a central database - I presume a data base of these would be searchable by computer

5. Anyb ody convicted of any robbery or other offence involving violence be obliged to have a tracker device attached for at least five years

yop

Without having to ban myself with this statement, but these are untouchables, have no respect for the anyone and this is going to get very dirty going by the various social media.

Xenji

yop wrote: »

Without having to ban myself with this statement, but these are untouchables, have no respect for the anyone and this is going to get very dirty going by the various social media.

I am sure a lot of peoples Facebook news feeds make for interesting reading today, never seen so many people riled up in the town, the treats are getting more and more aggressive and sinister.

yop

Xenji wrote: »

I am sure a lot of peoples Facebook news feeds make for interesting reading today, never seen so many people riled up in the town, the treats are getting more and more aggressive and sinister.

Its unusually aggressive but as said already there are incidents on an almost daily basis now, so people are pushed too far.
All it will take it a lad full of dutch courage and who knows what will happen.

witnessrenegade

Remember the men being around town all my childhood, saw one of them at the weekend coming out of JC's. Mental news to hear, especially since I was cycling past the house early this morning and didn't notice anything at all. Hopefully the CCTV can catch what has happened here. RIP

irishgeo

witnessrenegade wrote: »

Remember the men being around town all my childhood, saw one of them at the weekend coming out of JC's. Mental news to hear, especially since I was cycling past the house early this morning and didn't notice anything at all. Hopefully the CCTV can catch what has happened here. RIP

plenty of CCTV in the area, welcome inn , rockys , coxs . Should be easy to see who done it.

witnessrenegade

irishgeo wrote: »

plenty of CCTV in the area, welcome inn , rockys , coxs . Should be easy to see who done it.

Exactly, Cox's have cameras pointing down towards the lights, the Welcome Inn have cameras looking out towards Pontoon and towards the house, their is also Castlebar CCTV located in the area

Alpha Dog 1

Apparently the person was caught on cctv, he also walked down past the constituency office.

RMDrive

Alpha Dog 1 wrote: »

Apparently the person was caught on cctv, he also walked down past the constituency office.

RTE reporting an arrest.

yop

RMDrive wrote: »

RTE reporting an arrest.

Hope they caught the right person.

irishgeo

yop wrote: »

Hope they caught the right person.

He has not been charged yet.

saltyporridge

yop wrote: »

Hope they caught the right person.

I hope so too. I just can't get my head around how anyone could do such a cowardly and despicable thing to two innocent elderly people.

After the news broke today, I heard so many people (both young and old) in Castlebar talk about they've become much more cautious about going about their business in town, particularly after dark, in recent years because of incidents of violence. It's sad really, because it's a great town with great people.

This comment from the local garda superintendent was published in the Connaught recently: 'nobody should be afraid to walk the streets of the town at any time. Nobody will be allowed to hold Castlebar under seige in any respect'. http://www.con-telegraph.ie/news/latest-news/3794-families-involved-in-criminality-not-being-resettled-here

Regardless of of where the trouble-makers come from, and today's tragedy aside, the reality is that people are afraid, and have been for quite some time.

deeperblue11

this makes my blood boil. the culprits should be locked up for good, have the living sh1te kicked out of them every day, and before they die shot in the head.

finisklin

saltyporridge wrote: »

This comment from the local garda superintendent was published in the Connaught recently: 'nobody should be afraid to walk the streets of the town at any time. Nobody will be allowed to hold Castlebar under seige in any respect'. http://www.con-telegraph.ie/news/latest-news/3794-families-involved-in-criminality-not-being-resettled-here

Regardless of of where the trouble-makers come from, and today's tragedy aside, the reality is that people are afraid, and have been for quite some time.

That's from 2 weeks age :eek: and then this happens.

WTF - are the guards not sufficiently resourced (ERU, detectives, trained to an inch of their abilities) to deal with (potential) trouble makers in the first instance? :mad:

yop

Seems the 26 year old was only out of prison, quelle surprise eh!!

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/suspect-in-murder-of-brothers-just-out-of-prison-29411893.html

yew_tree

yop wrote: »

Seems the 26 year old was only out of prison, quelle surprise eh!!

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/suspect-in-murder-of-brothers-just-out-of-prison-29411893.html

No surprise there then. A bit of Texas law needs to be introduced.

gigantic09

We had our own "eye for an eye" justice system which went out of vogue in the 50's.The death penalty was removed from law as recent as 1990,and the constitution doesn't allow for it to be reintroduced.It's not cool for a 'civilized society' any more.Unfortunately society is far from civilized.It's rotten from the top down to the vermin that carried out that act in Castlebar. Official reports say that crime is lowering despite resources decreasing all the time.This is a fallacy of the highest order.It's time That this topic was brought to the front of the the political debate.What's the use getting our economy back on track if we cant have the basic right to be safe in our own homes.

yew_tree

Reports now coming out that one of the men was attacked a month or so ago and urinated on...WTF! - Frighting such sub human creatures live in this country.

The biggest mistake this country ever made was getting rid of the death penalty.
In the same week a scumbag got 3 1/2 years for the murder of Journalist Eugene Moloney in Dublin, a guy (with previous convictions) caught robbing a store and attacking the employee in the USA got sent down for 25 years.

We have and will have a few referendums in Ireland, one to introduce tougher sentences has to be a priority - It baffles me that nobody tackles this.

irishgeo

we dont have the prison space to start sending people prison for long terms like the do in the USA.

oscarBravo

irishgeo wrote: »

we dont have the prison space to start sending people prison for long terms like the do in the USA.

...and we most certainly don't want to. America has more people in prison than anywhere else on earth, including China. It doesn't make America a safer place.

I understand that the instinctive reaction to a horrific incident like this is one of anger, but it's rare indeed that an intelligent decision is made in anger.

If we're going to learn from anyone, it should be Norway, who showed their true character by treating Anders Breivik like any other murderer, and refusing to allow his evil actions to make them less civilised.

There are problems with justice and policing in this country; no question. I'm not convinced that we should try to solve those problems by killing more people, or putting more people at risk of being killed.

rusheen

irishgeo wrote: »

we dont have the prison space to start sending people prison for long terms like the do in the USA.

Really ?
Let re offenders with no chance of patrol share cells , fill them up to the last ,
and cut spending in them .
You think the EU wouldnt allow this , human rights and all that ?
Look at prisons in two European G8 Nations , Italy and France prisons there designed for 1500 holding 2000 convicts .

Im saying multiple re offenders with no remorse or sign of reforming should be treated differently , a harsh way

ethical

Things will never change.........there are too many from the top down on the make,free legal aid for this and that (even if you had hundreds of convictions already we will pay for you!!!).Bring back the chain gangs,there is endless amounts of work to do in the community,make the culprits wear fluorescent clothing,feed them basic rations and do not pamper them with sky TV etc in their cells.Unfortunately the legal system and those who run it live on another planet and are so out of touch with grass roots level it is quite frightening.

oscarBravo

ethical wrote: »

Bring back the chain gangs,there is endless amounts of work to do in the community,make the culprits wear fluorescent clothing,feed them basic rations and do not pamper them with sky TV etc in their cells.

Why?

Xenji

Edit, just incase

rusheen

24 hours must be nearly up ?

Ash.J.Williams

he sounds like one sick dude

martyoo

24 hours must be nearly up ?

They have extended it.

Xenji

They are up in full force at the lake at the moment, looks like the murder weapon could of been disposed of there, about 20 cops and a few CSI.

seligehgit

RIP

irishgeo

Xenji wrote: »

They are up in full force at the lake at the moment, looks like the murder weapon could of been disposed of there, about 20 cops and a few CSI.

Yeah seen them up there. Bit surreal seeing a finger tip search going on. It's normally something you see on the news.

Allyall

That is sick. I read the whole thing for the first time in the link to the Indo a page back..

One was trying to get away out the back? And the F*****g scum went after him too..
One of the brothers was urinated on a month ago????? :eek::eek::mad::mad:

How the f**k does that happen? Does anyone know who did that?

This whole story is horrific.

It's a pity more folk didn't know about the urinating incident a month ago. I'm presuming they didn't, as i would have walked him to the Garda Station, and stood by him for the complaint, explaining to him that he wouldn't have to appear in Court.

Maybe I'm babbling out of anger.
Hope the scum that did it get caught, and suffer.

Prison is not suffering. They petition for rights that they shouldn't have. It is a joke of a system.
The death penalty should be reintroduced when there is 100% proof and zero possibility of anybody else having commited the crime.

yew_tree

So looks like the Gardai have their man.....not long out of Prison - another feather in the cap for the Justice system. Mr.Ward also should have been behind bars when Mr.Nally defended himself.....why am I not surprised.

mikehammer67

Allyall wrote: »

i would have walked him to the Garda Station, and stood by him for the complaint, explaining to him that he wouldn't have to appear in Court.

is that correct?

jmayo

oscarBravo wrote: »

Why?

Because they deserve nothing better.
If someone interfers with the human rights of others, the best right to live in peace and not be attacked, raped or killed, then the perp looses any rights they have.
I think it is a pretty simple concept.

Prison needs to be made somewhere that is akin to hell so that criminals do not want to go back if they ever get out.
Instead we have numerous repeat offenders like this guy, like gerard barry in Galway, like michael murphy in Louth, etc.

The last two had done enough the first time to never have been out to kill again.

oscarBravo

jmayo wrote: »

Because they deserve nothing better.
If someone interfers with the human rights of others, the best right to live in peace and not be attacked, raped or killed, then the perp looses any rights they have.
I think it is a pretty simple concept.

Sure. And, like most simple concepts, it's fatally flawed.

Prison needs to be made somewhere that is akin to hell so that criminals do not want to go back if they ever get out.
Instead we have numerous repeat offenders like this guy, like gerard barry in Galway, like michael murphy in Louth, etc.

Do you know how recidivism rates in America (where prison is an industry designed to satisfy the visceral desire for revenge that you're espousing) compare to those in Norway (where prison is a system designed to help criminals learn how to become productive members of society)?

Do you care?

The last two had done enough the first time to never have been out to kill again.

We have a choice: we can design a system that aims to rehabilitate killers so that they are less likely to kill again; or we can design a system that builds seething resentment and hatred of society so that we have no choice but to keep people locked up for their entire lives because we've only succeeded in making bad people worse.

I'm not coming at this from the perspective of a bleeding-heart liberal. I'm looking for a system that works, and - from what I've seen - the American "correctional" system is a strong contender for the worst one on the planet. The Norwegian system isn't as viscerally satisfying as public hangings, but it's a damn sight more civilised.

yew_tree

oscarBravo - Their are people who can not be cured or re-rehabilitated and bascially can not function in open society. These people do not deserve to be let out, ever.

There are too many do godders in this country and the law is stacked in favour of the criminal. I have never been robbed but if I ever am there is only one way the intruder is leaving my house...

FutureGuy

It's alright everyone, he's after apologizing and says he's sorry.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/castlebar-double-murder-accused-tells-court-im-sorry-29414871.html

That makes it all better.

mistermano

'sorry' for the predicament he finds himself in like.......


having to go to court and all that......

mistermano

“We have serious concerns for his welfare,” said the solicitor.

blah blah blah...........

oscarBravo

yew_tree wrote: »

oscarBravo - Their are people who can not be cured or re-rehabilitated and bascially can not function in open society. These people do not deserve to be let out, ever.

How do you distinguish those people from the people who can be rehabilitated?

jonnybangbang

is this the same guy http://www.advertiser.ie/mayo/article/17996

old hippy

An horrific crime and the usual horrific knee jerk reactions to it. Someone mentioned we are a sick/violent society. Indeed, going by some of the comments here - by promoting murder (which the death penalty is) and violence, some of you come off no better than the perpetrators who carried out this heinous act.

mistermano

oscarBravo wrote: »

How do you distinguish those people from the people who can be rehabilitated?

well i'm no scientist

but larry murphy a violent rapist

refused to undergo any treatment(rehabilation?) in prison

and we let him right back out didn't we!

Xenji

jonnybangbang wrote: »

is this the same guy http://www.advertiser.ie/mayo/article/17996

Yeah, thats how people knew his name yesterday.

yop

Xenji wrote: »

Yeah, thats how people knew his name yesterday.

Wow, can't say he screamed murderer!! In a way, and I say this lightly, the system has failed him and the 2 Blaine men.

If qualified people they can't see that this lad is a threat, then how are they going to determine if a woman is going to commit suicide if she doesn't get an abortion??