Anti social behavior, what annoys me about this country

meoklmrk91

There is a family of scumbags living in my estate, they are literally the biggest wasters you have ever met. They terrorise people on a daily basis, engage in all kinds of anti social behaviour, in the last few days I have been verbally abused and was threatened that I was going to be killed, my crime? I honestly have no idea. They have literally stated that they own the place and they can do whatever they like to who they like, the guards do nothing, it's almost like they are afraid or them as well.

They are recieving rent allowance, I know this for a fact, that means that the "taxpayer" are paying for them to live here making everyone else's life hell, I have not had it nearly as bad as others. People like this deserve nothing, I think everyone has a story about anti social behavior but this is gone beyond the joke, the PRTB is a long and tedious road and I am honestly a bit afraid to make a compliant because they will get me if they find out its me, which they will. Has anyone else had to deal with anything like this? Any kind of resolution.

Celly Smunt

Why are people so passive these days?,get a group of "residents" to sort them out.

Richard Hillman

Get the residents together, sign a petition and send it to either the council (if it is a council estate) or the landlord. If it is a privately rented premises get onto the landlord constantly. A few underhanded methods wouldn't go astray in getting rid of them.

A lot of estates suffer from a tiny handful of riff raff. If you googled my estate you would think it was a war zone but couldnt be further from the illusion. It would have a massive impact on house prices. These families are costing you thousands of euros.

shedweller

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Why are people so passive these days?,get a group of "residents" to sort them out.

That kind of thing will land you in jail. What you are trying to fix will not land you in jail. Thats the way it works here i'm afraid.

dd972

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Why are people so passive these days?,get a group of "residents" to sort them out.

Might have been some chance of this 'back in the day' however social atomisation is a by-product of the neo-liberal nightmare inflicted on western societies.

A lot of this sort of scum used to get the choice of prison or a one way ticket on the St Columba.

Duggy747

Mate of mine lived next door to a charming family. Their kids were like wild animals who ran around vandalising everything from smashing street lights to just pooing everywhere. (They'd just drop their pants and shìt on the path, one got the notion to poo up against a neighbour's car door so it slid down it).

After enough visit's from the Gardaì and presumably care workers, as the mate put it, the family were kicked out but the landlord had to completely redo the interior of the house (holes in the walls, every kitchen appliance was destroyed, all but one toilet was smashed and most of the funiture was sold).

Owldshtok

That is terrible.There is no justice with stuff like that going on.Have you tried contacting a local town/city councillor? Is there any form of residents association where you live?
Enough pee'd off people to become vigilant?
F'n scumbags

dd972

Duggy747 wrote: »

Mate of mine lived next door to a charming family. Their kids were like wild animals who ran around vandalising everything from smashing street lights to just pooing everywhere. (They'd just drop their pants and shìt on the path, one got the notion to poo up against a neighbour's car door so it slid down it).

After enough visit's from the Gardaì and presumably care workers, as the mate said, the family were kicked out but the landlord had to completely redo the interior of the house (holes in the walls, every kitchen appliance was destroyed, all but one toilet was smashed and most of the funiture was sold).

Bloody hell, I'd send them to Dignitas :eek:

Owldshtok

dd972 wrote: »

Might have been some chance of this 'back in the day' however social atomisation is a by-product of the neo-liberal nightmare inflicted on western societies.

A lot of this sort of scum used to get the choice of prison or a one way ticket on the St Columba.

What does social atomisation mean? The unwinding of a sense of community?

shedweller

I think they are a different breed altogether. I mean, you'd have to resort to braveheart or gladiator levels of violence to stop them. I went to school with some of them so i am speaking from experience. They literally will not stop what they do. It's at a cellular level.
So, what we do is poison their food. The cheap stuff that they all eat. Then we can all get on with our lives.

I'm not joking btw. No seriously, make sure i dont get into power cos thats what i'll do when i do!

Celly Smunt

shedweller wrote: »

That kind of thing will land you in jail. What you are trying to fix will not land you in jail. Thats the way it works here i'm afraid.

bollocks,there's a very small group of people making life hell for the vast majority,act like a doormat expect to be treated like one.

I saw a statement on boards not too long ago that was "i'd rather die on my feet,than live on my knees".People need to get some balls and stop being afraid to stick up for themselves.

dd972 wrote: »

Might have been some chance of this 'back in the day' however social atomisation is a by-product of the neo-liberal nightmare inflicted on western societies.

A lot of this sort of scum used to get the choice of prison or a one way ticket on the St Columba.

True,and it's a shame.It's like people don't even know anybody a all in their vicinity's these days.

meoklmrk91

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Why are people so passive these days?,get a group of "residents" to sort them out.

I am a young woman living on my own, the other residents seem to be frightened to anything in case they are on the recieving end of it, they are know to band together and just non stop torment people they take a disliking too, there are number of houses with different members of the one family so there are quite a lot of them, not just a mother and father and kids.

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Get the residents together, sign a petition and send it to either the council (if it is a council estate) or the landlord. If it is a privately rented premises get onto the landlord constantly. A few underhanded methods wouldn't go astray in getting rid of them.

A lot of estates suffer from a tiny handful of riff raff. If you googled my estate you would think it was a war zone but couldnt be further from the illusion. It would have a massive impact on house prices. These families are costing you thousands of euros.

The landlord is absent, no one knows who they are or how to contact them. The petition thing was already done but a member of the family took the petition from the person going around and ripped it up in front of them. This place is like a war zone, though there are plenty of decent people here. I am not a home owner thank god, I am renting privately, I can't afford to move at the moment. These families are costing the people who do own their houses HUNDREDs of thousands though.

have you come together as residents yet to discuss this?

if you set up some sort of text alert system with neighbours and anytime there was an incident a group of you recorded them, evidence and strength in numbers

meoklmrk91

Celly Smunt wrote: »

bollocks,there's a very small group of people making life hell for the vast majority,act like a doormat expect to be treated like one.

I saw a statement on boards not too long ago that was "i'd rather die on my feet,than live on my knees".People need to get some balls and stop being afraid to stick up for themselves.



True,and it's a shame.It's like people don't even know anybody a all in their vicinity's these days.

When they I was told I was going to be killed I told them to come on and do it, I won't let them think I am afraid of them even though I am, but when you have such a large ammount of them there and your on your own its hard not to be a bit frightened.

Celly Smunt

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

When they I was told I was going to be killed I told them to come on and do it, I won't let them think I am afraid of them even though I am, but when you have such a large ammount of them there and your on your own its hard not to be a bit frightened.

You've just had a threat to your life,the guards must get involved in this case.

They seem to be plucking individuals out rather than attacking a group.Stick together.

downonthefarm

the guards dont give a **** about this stuff

meoklmrk91

Celly Smunt wrote: »

You've just had a threat to your life,the guards must get involved in this case.

They seem to be plucking individuals out rather than attacking a group.Stick together.

The guards may have to get involved but I have not witnesses and they could very easily twist it to say that I said it, the gardai witnessed the breaking bail condtions the other night and did nothing about it, I do not trust the local gardai when it comes to these people. The only way I will make a statement against them is if there was a Garda car parked outside my door every night.

They do pluck people on their own, I literally had a grown man verbally abuse me today for nothing, I know that when I walk out my front door tomorrow I am going to get it again that's if they don't come up to the house during the night. I wish the residents would get together, but people don't want to get involved as long as it isn't them.

stefan idiot jones

Deleted User wrote: »

have you come together as residents yet to discuss this?

if you set up some sort of text alert system with neighbours and anytime there was an incident a group of you recorded them, evidence and strength in numbers

The only way to beat these 'people' is like this post says is stick it out together. They can't intimidate everyone if you all have each others backs and are recording/logging everything.

Contact everyone, Garda, TD's, Social Welfare, anyone you can to put pressure on these VERMIN. Pressure, pressure, pressure.

Owldshtok

You're thankful not to be a home owner there so try your best to make the effort to move,it might be just about affordable if you plan it well and it will be worth it to your mental heath in the long run,you wont regret it.When you give notice to the landlord that might make them wake up to the problem and get involved.

Oscars Well.

Burn their house down, that'll teach them!

Ruudi_Mentari

And it's always from the most sociable people, on the face of it

just so goddamn sociable that they broke on through.

meoklmrk91

stefan idiot jones wrote: »

The only way to beat these 'people' is like this post says is stick it out together. They can't intimidate everyone if you all have each others backs and are recording/logging everything.

Contact everyone, Garda, TD's, Social Welfare, anyone you can to put pressure on these VERMIN. Pressure, pressure, pressure.

Getting on to TD's tomorrow, will not be getting the Garda involved unless they come to my door or assault me, they will make my life a living hell and like I said I do not trust the local gardai. I have been warned not to mention who it is if I have to call the guards as they are well known for waiting over an hour to come out when these particular people are involved.

Owldshtok wrote: »

You're thankful not to be a home owner there so try your best to make the effort to move,it might be just about affordable if you plan it well and it will be worth it to your mental heath in the long run,you wont regret it.When you give notice to the landlord that might make them wake up to the problem and get involved.

I am thankful, but I honestly can't afford to move at the moment, if things go on the way they are though then I will have to. Giving notice to the landlord is not going to do anything, I can think of at least 10 people who have moved out because of this family. They are right they own the estate, they can do and say what they like and no one will stand up to them because they are afraid and they are being bankrolled by the state so that they can continue doing it.

Riddle101

I hate these types of scumbags, where the law can touch them. But if you tried anything, you would be a arrested. Like if someone was robbing your house, and you attacked one, you could be sued for it. This seems like the same scenario, gardaí can't do anything about these residents but sure enough if you tried something yourself you would be the one who gets punished. The law serves the scumbag/criminals in this country.

meoklmrk91

Riddle101 wrote: »

I hate these types of scumbags, where the law can touch them. But if you tried anything, you would be a arrested. Like if someone was robbing your house, and you attacked one, you could be sued for it. This seems like the same scenario, gardaí can't do anything about these residents but sure enough if you tried something yourself you would be the one who gets punished. The law serves the scumbag/criminals in this country.

That's it they keep getting away with everything and it is so frustrating to have to deal with it. They just seem to love arguing and starting trouble. I am of the opinion that we should reopen spike island for these people they are too uncivilised and unsocialised to live around normal people.

balfe1990

Its a rock and a hard place kind of situation.
You can't "band together" like someone mentioned, and terrorise them back, complete with torches and pitchforks. If you succeeded there, you may be held liable for assualt or a similar charge or it could swing the other and they'd just beat the living **** out of you, and/or make your life there even worse thereafter.

The guards can't really do anything, save a slap on the wrist or a stern talking to, which is abolutely not a deterrent or solution.

And you can't just have them kicked out and stuck in a hole somewhere in the arse end of Connemara, which would be ideal, but not exactly possible.

I really don't envy you OP, and Ive heard my fair share of horror stories around certain parts of my area, such as a young Chinese father politely asking a gang of toerags to turn the music down and keep the shouting to a minumum as the baby had just gotten to sleep. They responded by kicking him in the head and putting cigarettes out on his face.

They moved shortly after, which is what I'd suggest you do, if it's possible. You can stamp out weeds but it's only a temporary solution, a dozen more will pop up in it's place.

mitosis

Duggy747 wrote: »

Mate of mine lived next door to a charming family. Their kids were like wild animals who ran around vandalising everything from smashing street lights to just pooing everywhere. (They'd just drop their pants and shìt on the path, one got the notion to poo up against a neighbour's car door so it slid down it).

After enough visit's from the Gardaì and presumably care workers, as the mate put it, the family were kicked out but the landlord had to completely redo the interior of the house (holes in the walls, every kitchen appliance was destroyed, all but one toilet was smashed and most of the funiture was sold).

How many toilets were there? All but one toilets were smashed in my house would mean none were.

Akrasia

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

Getting on to TD's tomorrow, will not be getting the Garda involved unless they come to my door or assault me, they will make my life a living hell and like I said I do not trust the local gardai. I have been warned not to mention who it is if I have to call the guards as they are well known for waiting over an hour to come out when these particular people are involved.

The Gardai are responsible for protecting you and upholding law and order. If you think that they are corrupt or lazy or deliberately refusing to uphold their duty in your area, then you need to get on to the garda ombudsman service
http://www.gardaombudsman.ie/
If your neighbours feel the same, then they need to do likewise.
First you would need to report the threats and abusive behaviour and give the Gardai a chance to do their jobs.
Keep records of the outcomes of your complaints and follow up on your complaint. If the Gardai are in neglect of duty, then you should absolutely report them.

It's the only way things will change.

Canyon86

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

The guards may have to get involved but I have not witnesses and they could very easily twist it to say that I said it, the gardai witnessed the breaking bail condtions the other night and did nothing about it, I do not trust the local gardai when it comes to these people. The only way I will make a statement against them is if there was a Garda car parked outside my door every night.

They do pluck people on their own, I literally had a grown man verbally abuse me today for nothing, I know that when I walk out my front door tomorrow I am going to get it again that's if they don't come up to the house during the night. I wish the residents would get together, but people don't want to get involved as long as it isn't them.

Sorry to hear your plight OP!!! a hard situation clearly!!!

BeerWolf

Oscars Well. wrote: »

Burn their house down, that'll teach them!

'Their house' - if you read, they're 'renting' it...

meoklmrk91

Akrasia wrote: »

The Gardai are responsible for protecting you and upholding law and order. If you think that they are corrupt or lazy or deliberately refusing to uphold their duty in your area, then you need to get on to the garda ombudsman service
http://www.gardaombudsman.ie/
If your neighbours feel the same, then they need to do likewise.
First you would need to report the threats and abusive behaviour and give the Gardai a chance to do their jobs.
Keep records of the outcomes of your complaints and follow up on your complaint. If the Gardai are in neglect of duty, then you should absolutely report them.

It's the only way things will change.

I understand that but if I make a complaint against them then it will just make things worse and if I make a compliant against the gardai then I will be left completely alone, no guard is going to want to help someone who makes a complaint against them. It's a catch 22.

conorhal

Iv'e become convinced that the only way to address this problem is to institute a local, volunteer, micro-judicial system for estates.
Any cachement area of a thousand people could elect a local judge and officer of the peace that was given the power to hand out limited sentences for minor offences at a comunity level, think judge Judy holding court in every parish but with a locally elected sherriff that could summon or detain defendents based on a complaint from a member of the community.
This judge could impose a fine or sentence an offender to say 24 hours detention in the drunk tank for anti-social behaviour or apply creative 'restorative justice' sentences like requiring an offender to clean up the local park or stay out of the local bar for a year..

Jonny7

Celly Smunt wrote: »

bollocks,there's a very small group of people making life hell for the vast majority,act like a doormat expect to be treated like one.

I saw a statement on boards not too long ago that was "i'd rather die on my feet,than live on my knees".People need to get some balls and stop being afraid to stick up for themselves.

It's not the 1940's anymore.

These people can seriously **** your life up, and that of your family, family pet, house and harass you nonstop. They have nothing to lose in many cases.

Not everyone can risk ruining their lives.

That said, some decent advice here about contacting counciller etc. Stay on the right side of the law at least.

the_monkey

shedweller wrote: »

I think they are a different breed altogether. I mean, you'd have to resort to braveheart or gladiator levels of violence to stop them. I went to school with some of them so i am speaking from experience. They literally will not stop what they do. It's at a cellular level.
So, what we do is poison their food. The cheap stuff that they all eat. Then we can all get on with our lives.

I'm not joking btw. No seriously, make sure i dont get into power cos thats what i'll do when i do!

Damn straight, another good thing would be to "taint" the water ...

Teyla Emmagan

Get onto your local councillors, they are discreet and can be brilliant. I had issues a few months ago and got some fantastic advice and support. A lot of them will come out and meet with you (and a couple of other neighbours if you want to get them in). They know how the system works and are a lot more accessible than TDs.

Conmaicne Mara

balfe1990 wrote: »

And you can't just have them kicked out and stuck in a hole somewhere in the arse end of Connemara, which would be ideal, but not exactly possible.

Sort out your own problems instead of dumping them on others, thanks.

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

There is a family of scumbags living in my estate, they are literally the biggest wasters you have ever met. They terrorise people on a daily basis, engage in all kinds of anti social behaviour, in the last few days I have been verbally abused and was threatened that I was going to be killed, my crime? I honestly have no idea. They have literally stated that they own the place and they can do whatever they like to who they like, the guards do nothing, it's almost like they are afraid or them as well.

They are recieving rent allowance, I know this for a fact, that means that the "taxpayer" are paying for them to live here making everyone else's life hell, I have not had it nearly as bad as others. People like this deserve nothing, I think everyone has a story about anti social behavior but this is gone beyond the joke, the PRTB is a long and tedious road and I am honestly a bit afraid to make a compliant because they will get me if they find out its me, which they will. Has anyone else had to deal with anything like this? Any kind of resolution.

There's only one solution to your problem, move. Start the process today and leave the problem after you.

The Gardai will not help you, TD's and councillors will not help you. You will aggravate the problem by reporting them.

Get out of that place and forget about it.

balfe1990

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

Sort out your own problems instead of dumping them on others, thanks.

Err, that's why I said the arse end of one of the most rural areas in Ireland... Not sure why you targeted my post..

Conmaicne Mara

balfe1990 wrote: »

Not sure why you targeted my post..

I wouldn't expect you to :rolleyes:

mikom

balfe1990 wrote: »

Err, that's why I said the arse end of one of the most rural areas in Ireland... Not sure why you targeted my post..

Lol, did you read the username at all?

kylith

You won't confront them, you won't report them, and you won't move, so what do you expect to change?

Call your councillors and the gardai every single time something happens. Loud music? Report it. Littering? Report it. Death threats? Report the fck out of that. Make yourself such a nuisance to the cops that it's less hassle to deal with this family than listen to you any longer.

meoklmrk91

kylith wrote: »

You won't confront them, you won't report them, and you won't move, so what do you expect to change?

Call your councillors and the gardai every single time something happens. Loud music? Report it. Littering? Report it. Death threats? Report the fck out of that. Make yourself such a nuisance to the cops that it's less hassle to deal with this family than listen to you any longer.

I have confronted them, when they told me they were going to kill me, I am a young woman going up against a group of men, I don't see what else I can do.

I will be going to a county councillor and a TD to see if anything can be done, hopefully they might put pressure on the gardai to get something done, I would have no problem ringing and reporting incidents to the guards if I though that there would actually be something done, they will come out, drive away and then I will have to deal with the backlash of it, I have to live here and you have no idea what it is like, I honestly can't afford to move at the moment but once things get sorted I will be more than happy to move.

balfe1990

mikom wrote: »

Lol, did you read the username at all?

derp, feel like a muppet now

tmc86

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

Sort out your own problems instead of dumping them on others, thanks.

Get out of that place and forget about it.

That's not sorting out the problem, that's just running away from it.

Nobody should be forced to move from their home and to incur the financial cost and mental stress involved.

As people have said OP, keep on at the local Councillors and TDs. These scumbags are just bullies so stand up for yourself like you have been doing and they'll hopefully be less inclined to pick at you or try and ignore them and they may eventually leave you alone once they see they don't get a rise from you.

There needs to be some kind of penalty system introduced for those people claiming or receiving benefits and who are involved in anti-social behaviour.

e.g. if complaints are made against someone and they still continue with their behaviour having being spoken to by a guard then their benefits should be temporarily reduced until they can behave like a decent human being. Act like kids get treated like kids.

Conmaicne Mara

tmc86 wrote: »

That's not sorting out the problem, that's just running away from it.

Nobody should be forced to move from their home and to incur the financial cost and mental stress involved.

As people have said OP, keep on at the local Councillors and TDs. These scumbags are just bullies so stand up for yourself like you have been doing and they'll hopefully be less inclined to pick at you or try and ignore them and they may eventually leave you alone once they see they don't get a rise from you.

There needs to be some kind of penalty system introduced for those people claiming or receiving benefits and who are involved in anti-social behaviour.

e.g. if complaints are made against someone and they still continue with their behaviour having being spoken to by a guard then their benefits should be temporarily reduced until they can behave like a decent human being. Act like kids get treated like kids.

Absolutely true that no one should be forced to move.

Reality though is entirely a different matter.

I get the feeling you don't quite understand the Irish scumbags mentality.

They're unafraid of the Gardai, who are usually unwilling/unable to do anything anyway. They hold grudges and aren't beyond committing criminal damage or intense mental harassment. We're not talking setting fire to your house, but small things like damaging your car, throwing a brick through the window, damaging other property, stealing bins, intimidation, name calling, spreading rumours, etc. Getting arrested, if it came to it, which it won't, is a badge of honour for many.

If you know any, go ask a few solicitors and barristers about these situations, see what they tell you. While you're at it ask them about their opinion on the Gardai in such situations.

"Running away", as you put it, is the fastest and best solution there is to this problem. If you find yourself in it, you'll understand the mental toll it takes. Your faith in your neighbours, faith in national institutions, and faith in right & wrong will suffer, because the truth in Ireland is, no one wants to get involved in someone elses problem.

So my advice still stands, move, ASAP, devote all your resources and energies to that goal until you reach it.

smileyj1987

Best thing to do is play them at their own game . I had a people living next door to that had a party every Friday and Saturday night so we got very little sleep at weekends . So in the end we would leave the house about an hour or two after the party finished we would leave music blaring all day long so they got little or no sleep . After a month of this they moved out and rented a different place .

Forest Demon

Only one way to sort this out and that is to hit the landlord in the pocket. Guards won't do anything. Don't try and appeal to the better nature of the scum as they more then likely do not have one.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/landlord-fined-30k-for-tenants-actions-217217.html

Landmark case in link showing residents suing landlord and winning. Find out who owns the house and get the ball moving by ensuring that the landlord is paying his due tax. Then complain about damage and harassment to landlord. Find about 5 or 6 households who will make the complaint and get them all to stick with it. Hit the landlord where it hurts and they will deal with the scummers or pay the consequences.

If the scummers actions are illegal then you need to get a residents committee and then make the complaints to the Guards on behalf of the committee. Contact your community Guard and meet with them separately. don't Bother with the muppets who respond to the calls as they won't give a crap.

Most important of all do not give up. If we don't make demands on the state institutions that that there to defend and protect us and they are that inept then where does that leave us? Yes you're renting, all the more reason not to let them away with it. If the scummers ramp up their actions then they will only be providing ammunition and evidence that the landlord will have to pay for.

Short term pain = long term gain. At least its one family. Some estates are full of scum and there is no chance of dealing with it when its 12 or 14 year olds from loads of different families.

Don't go toe to toe with them unless you have to defend yourselves. Use your biggest advantage, your brain. Log everything, report everything and get as much evidence as you can and go after the landlord. You will be wasting your time with the scummers themselves as they have nothing to lose.

dj jarvis

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Why are people so passive these days?,get a group of "residents" to sort them out.

because Irish people are pussys

no doubt the legion of ****tards who plague these threads will be on trying to convince you , that in fact YOU are the problem !!

Sure dont you know that every scum bag is just a poor soul whos daddy did not hug them enough , and mammy has a drinky poo problem , so they have licence to make others lives hell , we must nurture these individuals

give it time , they are coming , you can smell their self deluded posts winging there way here right now - god some might even invite you to work to show you the plight of these latter day wretches - oh the joy !!! :rolleyes:

make sure you are in a public place , record them making threats on your life , bring it to the cops , THEY HAVE TO TAKE ACTION once a complaint is made,
after that if they as much blink at you , you will have the upper hand

fight fire with fire , its the only way , i am also surrounded by these wastes of skin , i tell you , its the only way

FTA69

BeerWolf wrote: »

'Their house' - if you read, they're 'renting' it...

Tough sh*t. There are too many landlords who rent their property out to scum and refuse to take any sort of responsibility for them. Easy to do when you live far away and the money rolls in every week.

Israeli Superiority

dj jarvis wrote: »

because Irish people are pussys

no doubt the legion of ****tards who plague these threads will be on trying to convince you , that in fact YOU are the problem !!

Sure dont you know that every scum bag is just a poor soul whos daddy did not hug them enough , and mammy has a drinky poo problem , so they have licence to make others lives hell , we must nurture these individuals

give it time , they are coming , you can smell their self deluded posts winging there way here right now - god some might even invite you to work to show you the plight of these latter day wretches - oh the joy !!! :rolleyes:

make sure you are in a public place , record them making threats on your life , bring it to the cops , THEY HAVE TO TAKE ACTION once a complaint is made,
after that if they as much blink at you , you will have the upper hand

fight fire with fire , its the only way , i am also surrounded by these wastes of skin , i tell you , its the only way

LOL. On top of this, they'll probably start blaming capitalism for the scumbag problem and encourage the tormented neighbours to vote for left-wing parties to help solve it.

Lefties are softies.

Killer Wench

Psst... OP... I know some LAPD Cops that will have that situation sorted real quick.

.jacksparrow.

Back in the day when "vigilante" groups cough cough would sort this out, it worked and all.

Quandary

It might be no harm setting up a cheap CCTV camera outside your front and back door. Also, if you intend to confront them again at least buy a dictaphone and have it recording in your pocket ( only 50 quid or so http://www.pixmania.ie/ie/uk/6673527/art/olympus/vn-8500pc-dictaphone.html)

Best of luck