Anti social behavior, what annoys me about this country

meoklmrk91

There is a family of scumbags living in my estate, they are literally the biggest wasters you have ever met. They terrorise people on a daily basis, engage in all kinds of anti social behaviour, in the last few days I have been verbally abused and was threatened that I was going to be killed, my crime? I honestly have no idea. They have literally stated that they own the place and they can do whatever they like to who they like, the guards do nothing, it's almost like they are afraid or them as well.

They are recieving rent allowance, I know this for a fact, that means that the "taxpayer" are paying for them to live here making everyone else's life hell, I have not had it nearly as bad as others. People like this deserve nothing, I think everyone has a story about anti social behavior but this is gone beyond the joke, the PRTB is a long and tedious road and I am honestly a bit afraid to make a compliant because they will get me if they find out its me, which they will. Has anyone else had to deal with anything like this? Any kind of resolution.

Celly Smunt

Why are people so passive these days?,get a group of "residents" to sort them out.

Richard Hillman

Get the residents together, sign a petition and send it to either the council (if it is a council estate) or the landlord. If it is a privately rented premises get onto the landlord constantly. A few underhanded methods wouldn't go astray in getting rid of them.

A lot of estates suffer from a tiny handful of riff raff. If you googled my estate you would think it was a war zone but couldnt be further from the illusion. It would have a massive impact on house prices. These families are costing you thousands of euros.

shedweller

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Why are people so passive these days?,get a group of "residents" to sort them out.

That kind of thing will land you in jail. What you are trying to fix will not land you in jail. Thats the way it works here i'm afraid.

dd972

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Why are people so passive these days?,get a group of "residents" to sort them out.

Might have been some chance of this 'back in the day' however social atomisation is a by-product of the neo-liberal nightmare inflicted on western societies.

A lot of this sort of scum used to get the choice of prison or a one way ticket on the St Columba.

Duggy747

Mate of mine lived next door to a charming family. Their kids were like wild animals who ran around vandalising everything from smashing street lights to just pooing everywhere. (They'd just drop their pants and shìt on the path, one got the notion to poo up against a neighbour's car door so it slid down it).

After enough visit's from the Gardaì and presumably care workers, as the mate put it, the family were kicked out but the landlord had to completely redo the interior of the house (holes in the walls, every kitchen appliance was destroyed, all but one toilet was smashed and most of the funiture was sold).

Owldshtok

That is terrible.There is no justice with stuff like that going on.Have you tried contacting a local town/city councillor? Is there any form of residents association where you live?
Enough pee'd off people to become vigilant?
F'n scumbags

dd972

Duggy747 wrote: »

Mate of mine lived next door to a charming family. Their kids were like wild animals who ran around vandalising everything from smashing street lights to just pooing everywhere. (They'd just drop their pants and shìt on the path, one got the notion to poo up against a neighbour's car door so it slid down it).

After enough visit's from the Gardaì and presumably care workers, as the mate said, the family were kicked out but the landlord had to completely redo the interior of the house (holes in the walls, every kitchen appliance was destroyed, all but one toilet was smashed and most of the funiture was sold).

Bloody hell, I'd send them to Dignitas :eek:

Owldshtok

dd972 wrote: »

Might have been some chance of this 'back in the day' however social atomisation is a by-product of the neo-liberal nightmare inflicted on western societies.

A lot of this sort of scum used to get the choice of prison or a one way ticket on the St Columba.

What does social atomisation mean? The unwinding of a sense of community?

shedweller

I think they are a different breed altogether. I mean, you'd have to resort to braveheart or gladiator levels of violence to stop them. I went to school with some of them so i am speaking from experience. They literally will not stop what they do. It's at a cellular level.
So, what we do is poison their food. The cheap stuff that they all eat. Then we can all get on with our lives.

I'm not joking btw. No seriously, make sure i dont get into power cos thats what i'll do when i do!

Celly Smunt

shedweller wrote: »

That kind of thing will land you in jail. What you are trying to fix will not land you in jail. Thats the way it works here i'm afraid.

bollocks,there's a very small group of people making life hell for the vast majority,act like a doormat expect to be treated like one.

I saw a statement on boards not too long ago that was "i'd rather die on my feet,than live on my knees".People need to get some balls and stop being afraid to stick up for themselves.

dd972 wrote: »

Might have been some chance of this 'back in the day' however social atomisation is a by-product of the neo-liberal nightmare inflicted on western societies.

A lot of this sort of scum used to get the choice of prison or a one way ticket on the St Columba.

True,and it's a shame.It's like people don't even know anybody a all in their vicinity's these days.

meoklmrk91

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Why are people so passive these days?,get a group of "residents" to sort them out.

I am a young woman living on my own, the other residents seem to be frightened to anything in case they are on the recieving end of it, they are know to band together and just non stop torment people they take a disliking too, there are number of houses with different members of the one family so there are quite a lot of them, not just a mother and father and kids.

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Get the residents together, sign a petition and send it to either the council (if it is a council estate) or the landlord. If it is a privately rented premises get onto the landlord constantly. A few underhanded methods wouldn't go astray in getting rid of them.

A lot of estates suffer from a tiny handful of riff raff. If you googled my estate you would think it was a war zone but couldnt be further from the illusion. It would have a massive impact on house prices. These families are costing you thousands of euros.

The landlord is absent, no one knows who they are or how to contact them. The petition thing was already done but a member of the family took the petition from the person going around and ripped it up in front of them. This place is like a war zone, though there are plenty of decent people here. I am not a home owner thank god, I am renting privately, I can't afford to move at the moment. These families are costing the people who do own their houses HUNDREDs of thousands though.

have you come together as residents yet to discuss this?

if you set up some sort of text alert system with neighbours and anytime there was an incident a group of you recorded them, evidence and strength in numbers

meoklmrk91

Celly Smunt wrote: »

bollocks,there's a very small group of people making life hell for the vast majority,act like a doormat expect to be treated like one.

I saw a statement on boards not too long ago that was "i'd rather die on my feet,than live on my knees".People need to get some balls and stop being afraid to stick up for themselves.



True,and it's a shame.It's like people don't even know anybody a all in their vicinity's these days.

When they I was told I was going to be killed I told them to come on and do it, I won't let them think I am afraid of them even though I am, but when you have such a large ammount of them there and your on your own its hard not to be a bit frightened.

Celly Smunt

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

When they I was told I was going to be killed I told them to come on and do it, I won't let them think I am afraid of them even though I am, but when you have such a large ammount of them there and your on your own its hard not to be a bit frightened.

You've just had a threat to your life,the guards must get involved in this case.

They seem to be plucking individuals out rather than attacking a group.Stick together.

downonthefarm

the guards dont give a **** about this stuff

meoklmrk91

Celly Smunt wrote: »

You've just had a threat to your life,the guards must get involved in this case.

They seem to be plucking individuals out rather than attacking a group.Stick together.

The guards may have to get involved but I have not witnesses and they could very easily twist it to say that I said it, the gardai witnessed the breaking bail condtions the other night and did nothing about it, I do not trust the local gardai when it comes to these people. The only way I will make a statement against them is if there was a Garda car parked outside my door every night.

They do pluck people on their own, I literally had a grown man verbally abuse me today for nothing, I know that when I walk out my front door tomorrow I am going to get it again that's if they don't come up to the house during the night. I wish the residents would get together, but people don't want to get involved as long as it isn't them.

stefan idiot jones

Deleted User wrote: »

have you come together as residents yet to discuss this?

if you set up some sort of text alert system with neighbours and anytime there was an incident a group of you recorded them, evidence and strength in numbers

The only way to beat these 'people' is like this post says is stick it out together. They can't intimidate everyone if you all have each others backs and are recording/logging everything.

Contact everyone, Garda, TD's, Social Welfare, anyone you can to put pressure on these VERMIN. Pressure, pressure, pressure.

Owldshtok

You're thankful not to be a home owner there so try your best to make the effort to move,it might be just about affordable if you plan it well and it will be worth it to your mental heath in the long run,you wont regret it.When you give notice to the landlord that might make them wake up to the problem and get involved.

Oscars Well.

Burn their house down, that'll teach them!

Ruudi_Mentari

And it's always from the most sociable people, on the face of it

just so goddamn sociable that they broke on through.

meoklmrk91

stefan idiot jones wrote: »

The only way to beat these 'people' is like this post says is stick it out together. They can't intimidate everyone if you all have each others backs and are recording/logging everything.

Contact everyone, Garda, TD's, Social Welfare, anyone you can to put pressure on these VERMIN. Pressure, pressure, pressure.

Getting on to TD's tomorrow, will not be getting the Garda involved unless they come to my door or assault me, they will make my life a living hell and like I said I do not trust the local gardai. I have been warned not to mention who it is if I have to call the guards as they are well known for waiting over an hour to come out when these particular people are involved.

Owldshtok wrote: »

You're thankful not to be a home owner there so try your best to make the effort to move,it might be just about affordable if you plan it well and it will be worth it to your mental heath in the long run,you wont regret it.When you give notice to the landlord that might make them wake up to the problem and get involved.

I am thankful, but I honestly can't afford to move at the moment, if things go on the way they are though then I will have to. Giving notice to the landlord is not going to do anything, I can think of at least 10 people who have moved out because of this family. They are right they own the estate, they can do and say what they like and no one will stand up to them because they are afraid and they are being bankrolled by the state so that they can continue doing it.

Riddle101

I hate these types of scumbags, where the law can touch them. But if you tried anything, you would be a arrested. Like if someone was robbing your house, and you attacked one, you could be sued for it. This seems like the same scenario, gardaí can't do anything about these residents but sure enough if you tried something yourself you would be the one who gets punished. The law serves the scumbag/criminals in this country.

meoklmrk91

Riddle101 wrote: »

I hate these types of scumbags, where the law can touch them. But if you tried anything, you would be a arrested. Like if someone was robbing your house, and you attacked one, you could be sued for it. This seems like the same scenario, gardaí can't do anything about these residents but sure enough if you tried something yourself you would be the one who gets punished. The law serves the scumbag/criminals in this country.

That's it they keep getting away with everything and it is so frustrating to have to deal with it. They just seem to love arguing and starting trouble. I am of the opinion that we should reopen spike island for these people they are too uncivilised and unsocialised to live around normal people.

balfe1990

Its a rock and a hard place kind of situation.
You can't "band together" like someone mentioned, and terrorise them back, complete with torches and pitchforks. If you succeeded there, you may be held liable for assualt or a similar charge or it could swing the other and they'd just beat the living **** out of you, and/or make your life there even worse thereafter.

The guards can't really do anything, save a slap on the wrist or a stern talking to, which is abolutely not a deterrent or solution.

And you can't just have them kicked out and stuck in a hole somewhere in the arse end of Connemara, which would be ideal, but not exactly possible.

I really don't envy you OP, and Ive heard my fair share of horror stories around certain parts of my area, such as a young Chinese father politely asking a gang of toerags to turn the music down and keep the shouting to a minumum as the baby had just gotten to sleep. They responded by kicking him in the head and putting cigarettes out on his face.

They moved shortly after, which is what I'd suggest you do, if it's possible. You can stamp out weeds but it's only a temporary solution, a dozen more will pop up in it's place.

mitosis

Duggy747 wrote: »

Mate of mine lived next door to a charming family. Their kids were like wild animals who ran around vandalising everything from smashing street lights to just pooing everywhere. (They'd just drop their pants and shìt on the path, one got the notion to poo up against a neighbour's car door so it slid down it).

After enough visit's from the Gardaì and presumably care workers, as the mate put it, the family were kicked out but the landlord had to completely redo the interior of the house (holes in the walls, every kitchen appliance was destroyed, all but one toilet was smashed and most of the funiture was sold).

How many toilets were there? All but one toilets were smashed in my house would mean none were.

Akrasia

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

Getting on to TD's tomorrow, will not be getting the Garda involved unless they come to my door or assault me, they will make my life a living hell and like I said I do not trust the local gardai. I have been warned not to mention who it is if I have to call the guards as they are well known for waiting over an hour to come out when these particular people are involved.

The Gardai are responsible for protecting you and upholding law and order. If you think that they are corrupt or lazy or deliberately refusing to uphold their duty in your area, then you need to get on to the garda ombudsman service
http://www.gardaombudsman.ie/
If your neighbours feel the same, then they need to do likewise.
First you would need to report the threats and abusive behaviour and give the Gardai a chance to do their jobs.
Keep records of the outcomes of your complaints and follow up on your complaint. If the Gardai are in neglect of duty, then you should absolutely report them.

It's the only way things will change.

Canyon86

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

The guards may have to get involved but I have not witnesses and they could very easily twist it to say that I said it, the gardai witnessed the breaking bail condtions the other night and did nothing about it, I do not trust the local gardai when it comes to these people. The only way I will make a statement against them is if there was a Garda car parked outside my door every night.

They do pluck people on their own, I literally had a grown man verbally abuse me today for nothing, I know that when I walk out my front door tomorrow I am going to get it again that's if they don't come up to the house during the night. I wish the residents would get together, but people don't want to get involved as long as it isn't them.

Sorry to hear your plight OP!!! a hard situation clearly!!!

BeerWolf

Oscars Well. wrote: »

Burn their house down, that'll teach them!

'Their house' - if you read, they're 'renting' it...

meoklmrk91

Akrasia wrote: »

The Gardai are responsible for protecting you and upholding law and order. If you think that they are corrupt or lazy or deliberately refusing to uphold their duty in your area, then you need to get on to the garda ombudsman service
http://www.gardaombudsman.ie/
If your neighbours feel the same, then they need to do likewise.
First you would need to report the threats and abusive behaviour and give the Gardai a chance to do their jobs.
Keep records of the outcomes of your complaints and follow up on your complaint. If the Gardai are in neglect of duty, then you should absolutely report them.

It's the only way things will change.

I understand that but if I make a complaint against them then it will just make things worse and if I make a compliant against the gardai then I will be left completely alone, no guard is going to want to help someone who makes a complaint against them. It's a catch 22.

conorhal

Iv'e become convinced that the only way to address this problem is to institute a local, volunteer, micro-judicial system for estates.
Any cachement area of a thousand people could elect a local judge and officer of the peace that was given the power to hand out limited sentences for minor offences at a comunity level, think judge Judy holding court in every parish but with a locally elected sherriff that could summon or detain defendents based on a complaint from a member of the community.
This judge could impose a fine or sentence an offender to say 24 hours detention in the drunk tank for anti-social behaviour or apply creative 'restorative justice' sentences like requiring an offender to clean up the local park or stay out of the local bar for a year..