An Officer and a Gentleman

Thwip!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-WMn_zHCVo

An American man is asked to pull over at a DUI checkpoint and films the police and what they do. The guy knows his Constitutional Rights and calls them out on it.

Thoughts on this? Granted some people will think the guy was being a bit of an ass by not rolling down the window fully and that he brought it on himself by doing that but I find the part with the dog quite alarming. That they can use that to gain the right to search a car without the consent by forcing the dog to signal is worrying

Mariasofia

Aw soooo disappointed. I saw the title and started singing "love lifts us up where we belong".

Where the eagles fly on a mountain high

<sigh>

Mariasofia

Who knows what tomorrow brings??

degsie

Yawn....

donvito99

Can we get a tl;dr on this folks? Somehow I think that this man is not up to speed on his constitutional rights.

The Backwards Man

Richard Gere's let himself go a bit lately hasn't he?

I still would BM

Mariasofia

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Richard Gere's let himself go a bit lately hasn't he?

Miaow just a bit ?

Mariasofia

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I still would BM

Mmmm me too ....

Thwip!

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Richard Gere's let himself go a bit lately hasn't he?

http://bhavanajagat.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/whole-dude-whole-colors-richard-gere.jpg

Sort of like if you mixed David Duchovny and Bill Clinton

Timmyctc

Ugh. Why do people insist on these "stick it to the man" videos. He could've just wound down the fuppin window.

The Backwards Man

Thwip! wrote: »

http://bhavanajagat.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/whole-dude-whole-colors-richard-gere.jpg

Sort of like if you mixed David Duchovny and Bill Clinton

I think he looks a bit like A.L.F

Duckworth_Luas

Has that police officer eaten his oats?

Timmyctc

Timmyctc wrote: »

.... Why do people insist on these "stick it to the man" videos.

Mmmm sticking it to Richard Gere

Young guy is stopped at drink driving checkpoint, doesn't cooperate with the police, argues the law, wastes everyone's time including mine.

Nothing comes of it.

the groutch

the American version of the "freemen".
being pedantic and looking for technicalities to be a total douche, and waste huge amounts of both his and police time in the process.

Mariasofia

Deleted User wrote: »

Young guy is stopped at drink driving checkpoint, doesn't cooperate with the police, argues the law, wastes everyone's time including mine.

Nothing comes of it.

Except visions of being carried out of a factory wearing Richard Geres hat ...probably like some people are........

yenom

Nothing worse than people who think they know the law but don't. Like them fellas and the household tax claiming it was against the law.

El Guapo!

I watched one minute of it and stopped there. I hate those types of videos.
Wasting everyone's time, and just being an awkward little bollox for the sake of it.

Timmyctc

El Guapo! wrote: »

I watched one minute of it and stopped there. I hate those types of videos.
Wasting everyone's time, and just being an awkward little bollox for the sake of it.

He just comes off overwhelmingly like a 1st year College Law student trying to "fight the corrupt system".
That system being DUI testing checkpoints to prevent drunk driving.

MadsL

Timmyctc wrote: »

He just comes off overwhelmingly like a 1st year College Law student trying to "fight the corrupt system".
That system being DUI testing checkpoints to prevent drunk driving.

Amazing what gets tossed out a unconstitutional though. We had red light jumper cameras here and they were held to violate the 5th Amendment (due process) - DUI checkpoints have similar problems (probable cause and illegal search)

yenom

yenom wrote: »

Nothing worse than people who think they know the law but don't.

I guess the reason the video is going viral comes around 5:10 where the officer is heard to admit that they are searching the car for no reason other than the drive knew his rights.

That and the "trick" the police use to get a "false positive" from a dog search.

It is the kind of boring factoid that riles up the kind of people who repaste a video like this.

mbiking123

oops

Just slightly embarrassing for those police officers

c_man

the groutch wrote: »

the American version of the "freemen".

Not really. This guy was quoting and obeying actual laws. Bit of a difference.

minidazzler

Timmyctc wrote: »

Ugh. Why do people insist on these "stick it to the man" videos. He could've just wound down the fuppin window.

Deleted User wrote: »

Young guy is stopped at drink driving checkpoint, doesn't cooperate with the police, argues the law, wastes everyone's time including mine.

Nothing comes of it.

the groutch wrote: »

the American version of the "freemen".
being pedantic and looking for technicalities to be a total douche, and waste huge amounts of both his and police time in the process.

yenom wrote: »

Nothing worse than people who think they know the law but don't. Like them fellas and the household tax claiming it was against the law.

The problem is, he does know the law of his state and he is right. The police do not have the right to stop and search you in any state in the US. They don't have a right to perform DUI checkpoints.... but they openly flout their own laws. Why should they be allowed to?

Sir Osis of Liver.

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Richard Gere's let himself go a bit lately hasn't he?

He hasnt been the same since the hamster/arsehole incident.

camel jockey

Act like an asshole and be treated as such. That's life.

The US is slowly becoming more and more of police state as it is and some people are rebelling against it.
It's arseholes like him that remind the police not to overstep the mark.

Sonics2k

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The US is slowly becoming more and more of police state as it is and some people are rebelling against it.
It's arseholes like him that remind the police not to overstep the mark.

I'm sorry, but how are DUI checkpoints related to a police state?

Instead of being such a knob, surely he could just do the breathalyser and save his comments for a situation that actually warrants speaking out against the police.

Anyway, people have been claiming since the 50s the US was becoming a police state.

Rasheed

If he rolled down the window, the policeman would be able to ascertain by smell or by sight if they think he has drink or drugs taken. But no he had to be a smartarse, drew attention to himself and arose suspicion. Of course they're going to check further. Then wouldn't answer the question about his age and it was a song and dance to get him to pull over. I think the only thing he highlighted was that he's a pompous tool.

Timmyctc

If he's doing all this to highlight the fact America is becoming a police state surely he could do it elsewhere?
I think I heard something about the US spying on its citizens, why not put his law knowledge to use RE: that. The DUI checkpoint is there to catch, what I presume would be a spike in drunk driving on the country's annual piss-up day. If he wound down the window and stopped being awkward it wouldnt happen.

If winding down his window the full way and giving his name to a cop is unconstitutional maybe they should review that simultaneously while they also review heavy handed cops in the face of an overwhelming prick.

Artful_Badger

minidazzler wrote: »

The problem is, he does know the law of his state and he is right. The police do not have the right to stop and search you in any state in the US. They don't have a right to perform DUI checkpoints.... but they openly flout their own laws. Why should they be allowed to?

I find this incredibly hard to believe.

Rasheed

minidazzler wrote: »

They don't have a right to perform DUI checkpoints.... but they openly flout their own laws. Why should they be allowed to?

Do you mean they cannot set up a check point for solely drink driving or that they can't ask you to blow into the Breathalyzer?

PizzamanIRL

Another one of these stupid videos by a law student who just learned his rights and is trying to get a viral video online.

If he hadn't have been an awkward **** and rolled down his window he would have been waved on and none of that would have happened. Never mind those stupid little rights about not having to roll it down. Just be a normal human being and don't try get a rise out of the police by spouting your rights.

They wouldn't get people like that everyday so he probably seemed suspicious. Whether he was in the right or not, he could have just done the normal thing. He knew he wasn't drink driving so he could have just saved time and gone through the normal procedures at a checkpoint if he knew he had nothing to hide.

Rasheed

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

They wouldn't get people like that everyday so he probably seemed suspicious. Whether he was in the right or not, he could have just done the normal thing. He knew he wasn't drink driving so he could have just saved time and gone through the normal procedures at a checkpoint if he knew he had nothing to hide.

Exactly, thanks to his fluthing around, another person driving under the influence could have been waved on.

minidazzler

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

Another one of these stupid videos by a law student who just learned his rights and is trying to get a viral video online.

If he hadn't have been an awkward **** and rolled down his window he would have been waved on and none of that would have happened. Never mind those stupid little rights about not having to roll it down. Just be a normal human being and don't try get a rise out of the police by spouting your rights.

They wouldn't get people like that everyday so he probably seemed suspicious. Whether he was in the right or not, he could have just done the normal thing. He knew he wasn't drink driving so he could have just saved time and gone through the normal procedures at a checkpoint if he knew he had nothing to hide.

Or, he could maintain the Spirit of the Constitution of the United States and the US Bill of Rights and decide not to part-take in what he considers an unjust stop.

Ben Franklin, one of the Founding Fathers of the United States, Framer of the Constitution, and Political Theorist beyond what any of us know, said ""Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power." To paraphrase it simply, "A man who trades a little freedom for a little security WILL wake to find he has none." You cannot give up the little freedoms without the bigger ones following suit.

I will admit, I was incorrect in my previous assertion that the checkpoints are illegal in the US.... they were ruled as unconstitutional but necessary the the Michigan Supreme Court.... which means while they know they're illegal, they have legal status in some states. They are explicitly banned in others.

I technically have no problem with DUI stops, what I do have a problem with is cops being overly intrusive and thinking they have a right to know sh1t, especially in places like the US where they explicitly don't.

bgrizzley

Rasheed wrote: »

Exactly, thanks to his fluthing around, another person driving under the influence could have been waved on.

His fluting around? dont you mean the officers may have waved drunks on while they were busy breaking the laws they are sworn to uphold?

Rasheed

bgrizzley wrote: »

His fluting around? dont you mean the officers may have waved drunks on while they were busy breaking the laws they are sworn to uphold?

He gave them reason to consider him suspicious. He was deliberately obtuse and unhelpful as well as being smarmy. What would your gut feeling be on him if you were that police man? I sure as hell wouldn't be waving him through without being more thorough.

What was his point in doing this video? Make an eeijit of the policemen? Highlight inadequcies in the police force? Or waste their time and get views on YouTube for being sanctimonious and smug.

mewe

Land of the free eh...

humbert

He's making an effort to highlight the illegal and thuggish behaviour of the police. If people don't stand up for their rights they wont get to keep them. I'd say it takes courage to do that.

BerryBlue

Think the driver got EXACTLY what he wanted - he had his camera rolling & would have been disappointed if he officer had said 'grand, its your constitutional right to have your window open only a crack, on your way' !

Sonics2k

bgrizzley wrote: »

His fluting around? dont you mean the officers may have waved drunks on while they were busy breaking the laws they are sworn to uphold?

The guy was basically acting the langer for the same of it. Just another smartarse student who's done one or two terms of pre-Law and decided to go out on one of the busiest nights if the year in the US and try to make a cop look like a dick.

Even here, or any country, if a cop pulls over a person for a very standard breathalyser test, if that driver starts acting like a complete knobend, then any cop is going to assume he's up to something and hold him for a few minutes.

Its not as if they randomly pulled him over out of nowhere, dragged him out of the car and assaulted him.

He was simply asked to lower his window so he could do the test, but he refused.

-Any- cop would find that suspicious.

Duckworth_Luas

mewe wrote: »

Land of the free eh...

That's Canada!

Miike

I think a lot of people here and just looking for something to whinge about. Lets look at this as something that hits home:

If your front door was kicked in by the Irish police and they raided your house, ransacking it without a warrant or just cause would you just bend over and let them ride you? I think not. The purpose of the video is to highlight the fact that civil rights are withdrawn time and time again by members of law enforcement agencies with no repercussion.

mewe

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

That's Canada!

I don't get it?

mewe

mewe wrote: »

I don't get it?

eh?

Miike

Sonics2k wrote: »

He was simply asked to lower his window so he could do the test, but he refused.

-Any- cop would find that suspicious.

When thinking in false dichotomies one can only draw false conclusions.

At what stage did they say they were going to breathalyze him or when was that even remotely indicated?

El Guapo!

Miike wrote: »

I think a lot of people here and just looking for something to whinge about. Lets look at this as something that hits home:

If your front door was kicked in by the Irish police and they raided your house, ransacking it without a warrant or just cause would you just bend over and let them ride you? I think not. The purpose of the video is to highlight the fact that civil rights are withdrawn time and time again by members of law enforcement agencies with no repercussion.

You're having a laugh right?

You're comparing being stopped at a checkpoint, to having your door kicked in and your house raided?
Get a grip.

Sonics2k

Miike wrote: »

I think a lot of people here and just looking for something to whinge about. Lets look at this as something that hits home:

If your front door was kicked in by the Irish police and they raided your house, ransacking it without a warrant or just cause would you just bend over and let them ride you? I think not. The purpose of the video is to highlight the fact that civil rights are withdrawn time and time again by members of law enforcement agencies with no repercussion.

Are you comparing the cops illegally breaking into your home, destroying the place and causing severe damage without a warrant with getting drivers to blow into a hose to show they are not illegally drinking and driving, where they could potentially kill themselves or others?

Really?

Miike

El Guapo! wrote: »

You're having a laugh right?

You're comparing being stopped at a checkpoint, to having your door kicked in and your house raided?
Get a grip.

Sonics2k wrote: »

Are you comparing the cops illegally breaking into your home, destroying the place and causing severe damage without a warrant with getting drivers to blow into a hose to show they are not illegally drinking and driving, where they could potentially kill themselves or others?

Really?

You could say that for every driver on the road. I'm not crusading that driving under the influence is acceptable allow me to make that clear.

It's an unwarranted search of YOUR property is something I was trying to portray and the K-9 Unit doing damage is just perfectly fine too, I guess?

I can't help but feel your either spineless, trolling or just flat out 'dull'