Bill to bring the clocks forward GMT+1

WIZE

I think this is a great idea as there will be a grand stretch in the evening.

Also considering we have the multinational EMEA region companies based here it will be more in line for european business

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/bill-for-brighter-evenings-and-timezone-change-proposed-1.1453908

The Dáil will today hear about the possibility of brighter evenings all year by moving the clocks forward an hour and bringing the State into central European Time.
A private members bill has been proposed by independent TD Tommy Broughan to bring Ireland into the Central European Time Zone.
Minister for Justice Alan Shatter will respond to Mr Broughan on the Bill today.

JonSnuuu

But......Why?? Surely the one hour difference doesn't affect business that much?

Can we not just stop changing them twice a year

Paddy Cow

Can we leave them the way they are now? I hate in October when they go back an hour. It's really depressing

kraggy

JonSnuuu wrote: »

But......Why?? Surely the one hour difference doesn't affect business that much?

Maybe not, but at least the winter evenings would be longer.. The only problem I can see is that it will be dark for the kids going to school. High vis jackets will help with that though.

An extra hour of daylight IN THE EVENINGS could do wonders for people with depression.

kneemos

The TV programming would be out of sync with the Brits,never happen,unpopular with the Coronation Street viewers,many complaints,not worth the hassle.

WIZE

It works out really as 2hrs in Business..

It you take an average 9-5 we would start 1 hour earlier and finish 1 hour earlier then our collegues in Europe

Nemeses

But why bring our timezone in line with a time zone that is 2 / 3 hour ahead! We are in GMT not CET!

kraggy

kraggy wrote: »

An extra hour of daylight could do wonders for people with depression.

They're not changing the sun

SEPT 23 1989

think of all the poor innocent children going to school that will be mown down by cars on the pitch black country roads all because this yahoo wants to use his fancy european time

leahyl

I like the dark evenings.....:o

Paddy Cow

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

think of all the poor innocent children going to school that will mown down by cars on the pitch black country roads all because this yahoo wants to use his fancy european time

Who walks to school anymore? I thought the little darlings have to be driven everywhere?

Mena

JonSnuuu wrote: »

But......Why?? Surely the one hour difference doesn't affect business that much?

It does have a slight effect across the EU, however, going with CET will make the time difference with the States even worse, which I don't think we want (I certainly don't, hard enough as it is only having limited number of hours per day interacting with my teams that side of the river).

Aglomerado

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Who walks to school anymore? I thought the little darlings have to be driven everywhere?

Yup, since the advent of the mighty shítey SUV, that argument for clocks going back falls flat.

OpenYourEyes

kraggy wrote: »

An extra hour of daylight could do wonders for people with depression.

Although would probably increase the cases of Seasonal Affective Disorder in Winter, with people seeing less daylight, no?

hardCopy

Leaving work in daylight hours is great, more of this please.

kraggy

bluewolf wrote: »

Can we not just stop changing them twice a year

That's exactly what he's suggesting. CET is the same time as Ireland's summer time.

I.e Summer time = GMT +1 = CET

Winter time = GMT = CET-1

So by putting Ireland on CET would mean leaving the clocks as they are right now.

I presume he doesn't mean we should go on to CET AND change with them in the summer as that would mean we would be CET +1 during the summer which is a whopping 2 hours ahead of our present Winter time.

And that would also mean that it would be bright until 11.30pm.

Sam Kade

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Can we leave them the way they are now? I hate in October when they go back an hour. It's really depressing

But your depression in October is followed overwhelming joy in march when clocks go forward an hour;)

WIZE

kraggy wrote: »

That's exactly what he's suggesting. CET is the same time as Ireland's summer time.

I.e Summer time = GMT +1 = CET

Winter time = GMT = CET-1

So by putting Ireland on CET would mean leaving the clocks as they are right now.

I presume he doesn't mean we should go on to CET AND change with them in the summer as that would mean we would be CET +1 during the summer which is a whopping 2 hours ahead of our present Winter time.

And that would also mean that it would be bright until 11.30pm.

Incorrect. CET timezone also put clocks forwards and back during the year

kraggy

bluewolf wrote: »

They're not changing the sun

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Putting clocks forward means a longer evening.

krudler

Boo to this, I like the shorter evenings in winter, none of this staying bright til after 10pm malarkey.

kraggy

kraggy wrote: »

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Putting clocks forward means a longer evening.

I was just smiling at the idea that there would suddenly be an extra hour of brightness in the world because of us fiddling with clocks!

awec

Would this mean you'd have to change your watch when you cross the border?

goose2005

That would put sunrise in midwinter at 9.45 in d'west.

kraggy

WIZE wrote: »

Incorrect. CET timezone also put clocks forwards and back during the year

No YOU'RE incorrect.

Yes they change clocks during the summer, but then it's not CET, it's CET+1.

Just like our time now isn't GMT, it's GMT +1.

Winter time in Paris is CET. summer time in Paris is CET +1.

kneemos

OpenYourEyes wrote: »

Although would probably increase the cases of Seasonal Affective Disorder in Winter, with people seeing less daylight, no?

Get up earlier.

Ruudi_Mentari

I don't know why this is ever mooted, the way it is now is to suit the morning commute when people are sleepy n aren't quite with it yet.

I remember Cameron first mooted this, Cameron is some kind of power tripping tyrant who wants to see who it would catch on with. 'Britain's influence or whatever

KeithTS

It's the worst idea ever.

1 - I like the dark Winter evenings.
2 - In Summer it'll be bright(ish) at midnight, that's not a good thing.
3 - It'll be dark at 10am in Winter.
4 - If you work alongside guys in the US and have meetings to coincide with their work hours you could be in meetings at 7/8pm.
5 - I don't like change!!!

Duke of Speed

we had it in the seventies i remember going to school in the dark and the bright evening bring it on

wexie

awec wrote: »

Would this mean you'd have to change your watch when you cross the border?

And because of this I'd imagine it's extremely unlikely to ever happen.

Never mind Yuuurp, we'd be out of sync with the UK which would be most inconvenient. The call center drones can just keep working odd hours.

kneemos

The Brits will never give up their GMT.

kraggy

OpenYourEyes wrote: »

Although would probably increase the cases of Seasonal Affective Disorder in Winter, with people seeing less daylight, no?

People would see the sun set later. So instead of getting darker at 5, it would get darker at 6. Or 7 depending on what the plan is.

bilston

awec wrote: »

Would this mean you'd have to change your watch when you cross the border?

Yep.

It's not something NI could really follow anyway as it would mean it would be dark until about 10am in the morning in December.

kraggy

bluewolf wrote: »

I was just smiling at the idea that there would suddenly be an extra hour of brightness in the world because of us fiddling with clocks!

"Ooh look, somebody changed the bulb!"

Ardeehey

Doesn't sound good to me, our main trading partners is the UK especially for services and finance....we'd be an hour out of whack with them! Currently if you service mainland Europe clients then they understand the time diff but would play havoc with the UK.

Ruudi_Mentari

kneemos wrote: »

The Brits will never give up their GMT.

Yeah but I seems we will; Cameron having spun the idea first.

The Backwards Man

It won't work unless the UK do it too.

kraggy

The Backwards Man wrote: »

It won't work unlese the UK do it too.

They've been looking in to it too.

Nemeses

Erm, has some people forgotten how timezones generally work?

http://www.timeanddate.com/time/time-zones.html

WIZE

kraggy wrote: »

No you're incorrect.

Yes they change clocks during the summer, but then it's not CET, it's CET+1.

Just like our time now isn't GMT. it's GMT +1.

Winter time in Paris is CET. summer time in Paris is CET +1.

But we wouldnt be 2 hours ahead of out current winter time . We would always be 1 hour ahead

OpenYourEyes

kraggy wrote: »

People would see the sun set later. So instead of getting darker at 5, it would get darker at 6. Or 7 depending on what the plan is.

*facepalm*

Can't believe I needed this explained to me - need more coffee!

bilston

The Backwards Man wrote: »

It won't work unless the UK do it too.

People in the south of England are in favour of it, it's Scotland, the NW of England and NI that wouldn't want it to happen. I had friends over from London at the end of May and they couldn't believe that it was still totally bright here in Belfast at 10.30, there is quite a difference between the South East of the British and Irish Isles and the North West when it comes to sunset and sunrise times.

LoLth

for business purposes... why not just change the workday to 8-4 instead of 9-5 so its the same as CET? Changing a timezone seems a bit drastic imho.

Fratton Fred

I think I can safely predict that for the majority of people, this will make absolutely **** all difference.

kraggy

WIZE wrote: »

But we wouldnt be 2 hours ahead of out current winter time . We would always be 1 hour ahead

Read my post again. I said if we go on to CET (which is same as our time now) we'd be have an hour extra in the evening in the winter BUT IF WE WERE TO CHANGE OUR clocks like they do in Europe for summer time, then we would be 2 hours ahead of our Winter time.

In summer, Europe's time is CET +1
in summer, Ireland's time is GMT +1

I.e tonight it will get fully dark in Galway at 10.30. If we changed to CET AND changed the clocks with Paris etc then it would get dark in Galway at 11.30pm. Time-wise, this is 2 hours ahead of our current GMT.

The crucial thing to remember is that there is a difference between

a: CET

and

b. being in the CET timezone

Being in the CET timezone means your time is CET in the winter, and CET +1 in the summer.

bb12

from reading the above i think a lot of people have misconceptions about exactly how much sunlight we actually get in mid winter!

currently as it stands, at mid-winter, the sun rises at 8:40am and sets at 4:10pm....

so even if we didn't go with the whole putting the hour back thing, that would mean, the sun would rise at 9:40am and set at 5:10pm...

i don't see how this would benefit anyone working in offices!! it would still be dark when going and coming home from work!

Itssoeasy

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

think of all the poor innocent children going to school that will be mown down by cars on the pitch black country roads all because this yahoo wants to use his fancy european time

Joe Duffy topic there so it is.

wexie

kraggy wrote: »

.....BUT IF WE WERE TO CHANGE OUR clocks like they do in Europe for summer time, then we would be 2 hours ahead of our Winter time.

Are you sure about this?

Our winter time changes at the same time as CET no?

I've never heard of any time period where the time difference between us and CET is 2 hours which is what you're implying?

Or am I having a blond moment?

EDIT:

Oh hang on, are you saying the difference between summer time(adjusted) and winter time(now) would be 2 hours?

kraggy

Best way to explain it is this.

Time now in Ireland is 11.10am.
If it were winter, the time would be 10.10am.

Time now in Paris is 12.10pm, as they are on CET +1.

Therefore the difference between Paris summer time and our winter time is 2 hours.

kneemos

Leave our cocks alone

wexie

bb12 wrote: »

from reading the above i think a lot of people have misconceptions about exactly how much sunlight we actually get in mid winter!

currently as it stands, at mid-winter, the sun rises at 8:40am and sets at 4:10pm....

so even if we didn't go with the whole putting the hour back thing, that would mean, the sun would rise at 9:40am and set at 5:10pm...

i don't see how this would benefit anyone working in offices!! it would still be dark when going and coming home from work!

I don't think they'd be doing it for that, it would be to facillitate business between here and mainland Europe