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CHANGE TO THE PROCESS OF DECLARING A VEHICLE TEMPORARILY OFF THE ROAD

  • 04-07-2013 10:26pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,520 ✭✭✭✭


    From 1 October 2013, if a vehicle is not going to be in use for a period of between 3 and 12 months, a declaration must be made to your local motor tax office in advance of the vehicle being taken off the road if you wish to avoid the requirement to pay motor tax for the period of non-use. This may only be made during the last month of a current vehicle licence by completing Form RF150 – Declaration of Non-Use of a Motor Vehicle. Vehicles may not be declared off the road for a period shorter than 3 months.

    Transitional arrangements are in place between July and end-September 2013, when the declaration can also be furnished to a motor tax office during the month in which the vehicle is being taken off the road. In that case the declaration will commence from the start of that month for a period of between 3 and 12 months.

    After 1 October 2013, the existing arrangements whereby you can declare that a vehicle was off the road, accompanied by a Garda stamp witnessing your signature, on Forms RF100, RF100A and RF111, will cease, and declarations regarding past periods of a vehicle being off the road can no longer be made. This means that September is the last month in which a Garda witnessed declaration can be furnished.

    Form RF150 and further details of the proposed changes are available from your local motor tax office or for download from the Motor Tax Website or the Department of the Environment, Community & Local Government website.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,520 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    New arrangements apply to declaring a vehicle off the road for motor tax purposes from 1 July 2013. The new system requires a vehicle to be declared off the road in advance, and will replace the system whereby owners declare a vehicle off the road retrospectively when seeking to tax a vehicle.

    There is no change in the rules for those who pay their motor tax by its expiry date, or those who end up paying arrears after their tax has expired.

    There is a three month transition period from 1 July 2013 to 30 September 2013 during which those in arrears must pay the arrears and either take out a new vehicle licence or make a declaration of non-use, that is, inform the motor tax authorities of their intention not to use the vehicle in a public place.

    Those whose vehicles have not been on the road must make a declaration of non-use for the period in question and either take out a new vehicle licence or make a declaration of non-use, that is, inform the motor tax authorities of their intention not to use the vehicle in a public place.

    Following the end of the transition period, the current system whereby a person can go to a Garda Station and make a declaration that a vehicle was off the road, without having to pay arrears, will cease, AND YOU WILL BE LIABLE TO PAY ALL MOTOR TAX ARREARS BEFORE A NEW VEHICLE LICENCE CAN BE ISSUED IN RESPECT OF THE VEHICLE.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,520 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    The following question and answer factsheet summarises the new measures that will apply from 1 October 2013.
    The transitional arrangements for the period between 1 July and 30 September are set out at the end of this document.

    Q1. How do I declare my vehicle off the road?
    A1. If your vehicle is not going to be in use, and will not be kept in a public place, you will be able to declare it off the road by completing Form RF150 and submitting it to your local motor tax office. Form RF150 can be downloaded from www.environ.ie, www.motortax.ie, or your local authority website. It is also available at your local motor tax office, Garda Station, Library or Citizens Information Centre.
    An online application facility is currently being developed and applications will be able to be made on www.motortax.ie later this year.


    Q2. If my vehicle is not in use, when do I need to declare it off the road?
    A2. You must make your off the road declaration in advance. The declaration must be made in the month of expiry of your current motor tax disc. All correctly completed applications will receive confirmation of their transaction, either by post or on the spot if the declaration is submitted in person at your local motor tax office.


    Q3. Can I do it after tax has expired?
    A3. No, it must be done in advance. If arrears in motor tax are due, these must be paid in full and motor tax paid for a minimum of 3 months before a declaration of non-use may be made. However, see Q14 below in respect of newly purchased vehicles (new or second hand).


    Q4. What if I send the declaration in after the tax has expired?
    A4. It will be returned to you and you will be notified that you are liable for tax on the vehicle for a minimum of 3 months before a declaration of non-use may be made. It is important, therefore, if you are posting the declaration, that you send it off in sufficient time to reach your local motor tax office.


    Q5. Do I have to get it witnessed at a Garda Station?
    A5. No – there is no requirement to have the form witnessed at a Garda Station.


    Q6. Will I have to explain why the vehicle is being taken off the road or produce evidence?
    A6. No, you will not be asked to explain why the vehicle is not going to be used or to produce any documentary evidence. However, there is a fine and potential prison sentence on conviction for making a false or misleading declaration of non-use, in addition to existing penalties for non-display of a valid motor tax disc.


    Q7. Will I have to pay an administration charge for making an off the road declaration?
    A7. No.


    Q8. How long can I declare the vehicle off the road for?
    A8. The minimum period is three calendar months, the maximum is twelve calendar months i.e. you cannot declare a vehicle off the road for either one or two months. The declaration must be for full calendar months, starting on the first day of a month and ending on the last day of a month.


    Q9. Will I get a renewal notice at the end of the period specified in the declaration?
    A9. Yes – in the same way that you currently get a renewal notice when your tax is about to expire.


    Q10. What do I do if I want to keep the vehicle off for longer?
    A10. In the month before the end of the period specified in your first declaration, you can make a new declaration for between a further three and 12 months. This can be repeated for as long as you intend to keep the vehicle off the road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,520 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Q11. What if I want to put the vehicle back on the road before the period specified in the declaration expires?
    A11. You can cancel the declaration at any time by renewing your tax in your local motor tax office – the validity of the tax disc will commence from the first day of the month in which you tax the vehicle.


    Q12. What if I sell the car before the expiry of the declaration?
    A12. The declaration will be cancelled automatically as and from the date of sale.


    Q13. Can I transfer the declaration if I sell one vehicle, but purchase another?
    A13. No, you must make a new declaration in respect of the vehicle being purchased. The declaration must be made to your local motor tax office within ten days of the date of sale.


    Q14. I’ve just bought a vehicle – how can I make a declaration that I intend to keep it off the road for a while?
    A14. If you have just bought a new vehicle or just acquired a second hand one and do not intend to use it immediately, you will have ten days from the date of purchase (as specified in the registration document or the notification of transfer of vehicle ownership) to furnish a declaration of non-use. In that case, the declaration will commence from the first day of the month in which the sale takes place, or the first day of the month of registration in the case of new vehicles.
    Make sure you notify the seller that you are intending to declare the vehicle off the road and that you need him or her to ensure that the change of ownership is notified to the National Vehicle and Driver File as soon as possible.


    Q15. What if I’m due to have an NCT while my car is off the road?
    A15. A vehicle may be used during the period of a non-use declaration in two cases:
    to bring it to and from a test centre for the test; or
    to bring it for repair after a re-test, or back to where you are keeping it while it is off the road after the repairs. This option may only be used where an appointment has already been made for a re-test.
    The same rules apply to roadworthiness testing for commercial vehicles.
    If you are bringing the vehicle to a test centre or to or from repairs after a test failure, it would be advisable to carry a copy of the appointment for the test or re-test with you.


    Q16. I have an old vehicle in the garage that hasn’t been used for years. Do I need to declare it off the road?
    A16. If you think that, at any stage in the future, the car might be put back on the road then, yes, you will need to make a declaration during the transition period from 1 July 2013 to 30 September 2013 to avoid having to pay arrears, back to the date of expiry of the last motor tax licence, when the vehicle is being put back on the road. If you are absolutely certain that the vehicle will never go back on the road, then you need to do nothing.


    Q17. Can I keep the vehicle parked in a public place after I make an off the road declaration?
    A17. No, you cannot keep or use the vehicle in a public place while an off the road declaration is in effect in respect of the vehicle. It must be kept in off the road and not in a public place to avoid a liability for motor tax (and penalties for non-payment of motor tax and for making a false off-road declaration).


    Q18. Can I get a refund if I need to take a taxed vehicle off the road?
    A18. Only if you qualify for a refund under existing rules. These include the vehicle being stolen and not recovered, scrapped or permanently exported, or if you are keeping the vehicle off the road for reasons of illness, absence from the State for business or educational purposes or for services overseas with the Defence Forces. In all of these instances, a minimum of three months must remain on the disc.


    Q19. If I am entitled to a refund, what happens?
    A19. You will only have to complete one form (Form RF120) to obtain a refund. You do not have to complete a separate declaration of non-use.


    Q20. If I owe arrears, can I make an off the road declaration?
    A20. No, you will not be allowed to declare the vehicle off the road if arrears are owed – the arrears will have to be paid and the vehicle taxed for a minimum of three months before you will be able to declare the vehicle off the road. There will be an exception during the transition period – see the month-by-month guide below.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,520 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Q21. My vehicle is exempt from motor tax – do I have to make a declaration?
    A21. Yes, in order to keep your vehicle record up to date.


    Q22. What do I need to do during the transition period?
    A22. The transition period will run from 1 July 2013 to 30 September 2013. For those not wishing to declare their intention to keep their vehicle off the road for a period of time, and those whose motor tax affairs are up to date, nothing changes and there is no need to do anything new during the transition period.
    For those that do intend to declare their intention to keep their vehicle off the road or who have been keeping their vehicle off the road already, what you need to do depends on your own particular circumstances. The month by month guide, as set out below, will apply to you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭Thom Merrilin


    The end of an era


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,520 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    If your motor tax is due to expire and you want to declare your vehicle off the road:

    … at the end of June 2013:
    You can make a declaration of non-use in July to your local motor tax office with a commencement date of 1 July 2013 for a period of between 3 and 12 months.

    … at the end of July 2013:
    You can make a declaration of non-use in July or August to your local motor tax office with a commencement date of 1 August 2013 for a period of between 3 and 12 months.

    … at the end of August 2013:
    You can make a declaration of non-use in August or September to your local motor tax office with a commencement date of 1 September 2013 for a period of between 3 and 12 months.

    … at the end of September 2013:
    You can make a declaration of non-use in September to your local motor tax office with a commencement date of 1 October 2013 for a period of between 3 and 12 months.

    … in subsequent months:
    You can make a declaration of non-use in the last month of the vehicle licence or previous declaration of non-use. This must be made to your local motor tax office by the last day of that month. The declaration will commence from the first day of the following month for a period of between 3 and 12 months.

    If your vehicle has been off the road and will continue to be off the road:

    … during July 2013:
    You can make a declaration witnessed by a Garda covering the period to the end of June 2013 and make a declaration of non-use in July 2013 with a commencement date of 1 July 2013 for a period of between three and 12 months.

    … during August 2013:
    You can make a declaration witnessed by a Garda covering the period to the end of July 2013 and make a declaration of non-use in August 2013 with a commencement date of 1 August 2013 for a period of between three and 12 months.

    … during September 2013:
    You can make a declaration witnessed by a Garda covering the period to the end of August 2013 and make a declaration of non-use in September 2013 with a commencement date of 1 September 2013 for a period of between three and 12 months.

    … in subsequent months:
    You will no longer be able to make a declaration witnessed by a Garda, and motor tax arrears and a minimum of three months motor tax will be payable in respect of the vehicle before a declaration of non-use can be made.

    If your vehicle has been off the road and you want to put it back on the road:

    … during July 2013:
    You can make a declaration witnessed by a Garda covering the period to the end of June 2013 and tax the vehicle from the beginning of July 2013.

    … during August 2013:
    You can make a declaration witnessed by a Garda covering the period to the end of July 2013 and tax the vehicle from the beginning of August 2013.

    … during September 2013:
    You can make a declaration witnessed by a Garda covering the period to the end of August 2013 and tax the vehicle from the beginning of September 2013.

    … in subsequent months:
    You will no longer be able to make a declaration witnessed by a Garda and arrears from the date of expiry of the last motor tax disc, and a minimum of three months tax, will be payable.

    If you owe arrears on the vehicle and you want to declare it off the road

    … during July 2013:
    You can pay arrears to the end of June 2013 and make a declaration of non-use in July 2013 with a commencement date of 1 July 2013 for a period of between 3 and 12 months.

    … during August 2013:
    You can pay arrears to the end of July 2013 and make a declaration of non-use in August 2013 with a commencement date of 1 August 2013 for a period of between 3 and 12 months.

    … during September 2013:
    You can pay arrears to the end of August 2013 and make a declaration of non-use in September 2013 with a commencement date of 1 September 2013 for a period of between 3 and 12 months.

    … in subsequent months:
    You will not be able to make a declaration of non-use until arrears and a minimum of three months tax are paid in respect of the vehicle. You will be able to make a declaration of non-use in the month of expiry of the motor tax.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,520 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,357 ✭✭✭✭SteelyDanJalapeno


    What if you buy a car with no tax? I don't see that addressed above


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,520 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    What if you buy a car with no tax? I don't see that addressed above

    You're still only liable for tax from when you buy the car.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 656 ✭✭✭bobin fudge


    my car has been off the road since Oct 2012 and will be putting it back on the road this weekend

    I hadn't realised the above regarding taxing the car. Will I have to pay the arrears or can I pay from July 2013 onwards and carrying on forward take on the new rules?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,520 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    my car has been off the road since Oct 2012 and will be putting it back on the road this weekend

    I hadn't realised the above regarding taxing the car. Will I have to pay the arrears or can I pay from July 2013 onwards and carrying on forward take on the new rules?

    You can make a declaration witnessed by a Garda covering the period to the end of June 2013 and make a declaration of non-use in July 2013 with a commencement date of 1 July 2013 for a period of between three and 12 months.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 656 ✭✭✭bobin fudge


    thanks, turned out car didn't need the head gasket done on it, getting it back this weekend. Was worried after reading this sticky id have to pay arrears from Nov when the tax ran out.

    Im assuming now then that people caught with their tax out by a month at checkpoints will now be fined come oct 13 compared to how it was dealt with

    Be interesting to see how this changes peoples behaviour to paying road tax


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 lavelle15


    So lets say in November I purchase a car that is out of tax a couple of months, I can tax my new car from the beginning of that month without having to pay the arrears? The previous owner wont have to pay the arrears either no?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,520 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    lavelle15 wrote: »
    So lets say in November I purchase a car that is out of tax a couple of months, I can tax my new car from the beginning of that month without having to pay the arrears? The previous owner wont have to pay the arrears either no?

    There haven't been any changes here, the current system is that you're only liable for tax from when you take ownership so the previous owner won't have to pay arrears.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,407 ✭✭✭Dartz


    You will no longer be able to make a declaration witnessed by a Garda, and motor tax arrears and a minimum of three months motor tax will be payable in respect of the vehicle before a declaration of non-use can be made

    There's a motorcycle in the shed that's been off the road for a decade. Genuinely.

    I'm almost certain it'll be forgotten about. Especially since these changes aren't really being that loudly advertised. I wouldn't even have known about it if it weren't for this forum


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    There haven't been any changes here, the current system is that you're only liable for tax from when you take ownership so the previous owner won't have to pay arrears.

    i wouldn't be so sure on that one. It depends how vigourously they enforce it, because those arrears are due and could be demanded from the previous owner.The purchaser is not liable for them though, that is clear. I'm guessing it depends on the level of people trying to avoid arrears by registering the vehicle as sold, this being Ireland, no doubt people will try all sorts of ways to get around the system!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Ging Ging


    Sell the car to the brother one month, then he sells it back to you another etc. No tax due until they decide to clamp down


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭YouTookMyName


    Ging Ging wrote: »
    Sell the car to the brother one month, then he sells it back to you another etc. No tax due until they decide to clamp down

    And you end up with a stupidly high number of previous owners on the log book....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,985 ✭✭✭✭dgt


    Just noticed this write up :o fantastic post, cheers for taking the time to write it :)

    Just one question: say I want to buy another field car, it'll never be going back on the road. I takes it I don't have to fill out the rf150 for it after Oct?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,357 ✭✭✭Fiona


    Stupid question, I see they are going to develop some online way of doing this, in the meantime can you post forms to the motor tax office, I can't get to my local one unless I take a day off work :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 johnlcvi


    I am currently restoring a vintage car 1956, currently registered but not taxed, due to it being not on the road. It will take another year to complete.
    Do I still need the RF150 form completed? I have have the RF100 signed by the garde, to the end of September.

    Any assistance will be greatfully received.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,952 ✭✭✭Monokne


    This may be a dense question but I'm not 100% clear on this...

    I bought a car on April 30 which had tax till the end of May. As I still hadn't sold my old car, I've just been continuing to use that. I'm selling it to a mate of mine in a couple weeks and will then look to tax the car I bought in April.

    Will I just be able to declare it off the road in June and July as in previous years, or will I only be able to do that for June and then have to pay for July onwards? So confused! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,357 ✭✭✭✭SteelyDanJalapeno


    And you end up with a stupidly high number of previous owners on the log book....

    So? It's only a number on a piece of paper


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    johnlcvi wrote: »
    I am currently restoring a vintage car 1956, currently registered but not taxed, due to it being not on the road. It will take another year to complete.
    Do I still need the RF150 form completed? I have have the RF100 signed by the garde, to the end of September.

    Any assistance will be greatfully received.

    Yes.
    Possibly the best you can do is to get two forms this month.
    RF100A and declare on it that you didn't use the car from date it was last taxed to the end of June 2013.
    And RF150 on which you will declare you are not planning to use your car from 1st day of July 2013 for 12 months.
    If you still won't be finished with your car in July next year, you will have to repeat RF150 form then.

    You don't need to do it this month, as you can still do it in August or September (f.e. in September declare your car was off the road till end of August on RF100A form and then declare it will be off the road from 1st September.
    But if you don't do it before October, you will have to either pay the arrears for the whole period your car was not taxed, or you will have to change the ownership to someone else to avoid paying arrears.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    Monokne wrote: »
    This may be a dense question but I'm not 100% clear on this...

    I bought a car on April 30 which had tax till the end of May. As I still hadn't sold my old car, I've just been continuing to use that. I'm selling it to a mate of mine in a couple weeks and will then look to tax the car I bought in April.

    Will I just be able to declare it off the road in June and July as in previous years, or will I only be able to do that for June and then have to pay for July onwards? So confused! :)

    Yes.
    If you start using it in August, you will be still able to do it old way (sign RF100A form that you didn't use your car in June and July and tax it from August.
    However remember last time you can do it old way is September (you will be able to declare it was off the road for June, July and August and pay tax from September onwards.
    If you don't do it in September, and will intent to pay tax from October or later, you will have to pay arrears for all the months, or change ownership to someone else to avoid paying arrears.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 844 ✭✭✭bigboss1986


    My tax expired on 30/06 and I have got renewal already that I have to pay motor tax during July :D so I decided to go to ma local tax office on 30-31/07 to declare off the road for 3 months but suddenly on 1/08 I will change my mind I will put back on the road saving 90 E.No guards in my area,last time I had checkpoint 2 years ago and I drive around 25000 miles year :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    My tax expired on 30/06 and I have got renewal already that I have to pay motor tax during July :D so I decided to go to ma local tax office on 30-31/07 to declare off the road for 3 months but suddenly on 1/08 I will change my mind I will put back on the road saving 90 E.


    Can I ask what's the point in first step (declaring your car off the road for 3 months on 30-31/7)?

    You can as well skip that step and use RF100A form on 1/08 (with no-use period for july signed by gards) to tax it from 1/08.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭Duiske


    My tax expired on 30/06 and I have got renewal already that I have to pay motor tax during July :D so I decided to go to ma local tax office on 30-31/07 to declare off the road for 3 months but suddenly on 1/08 I will change my mind I will put back on the road saving 90 E.No guards in my area,last time I had checkpoint 2 years ago and I drive around 25000 miles year :D

    Cunning plan, but it will not work. Edit : Though maybe i'm missing something with the transition period ?
    Q20. If I owe arrears, can I make an off the road declaration?
    A20. No, you will not be allowed to declare the vehicle off the road if arrears are owed – the arrears will have to be paid and the vehicle taxed for a minimum of three months before you will be able to declare the vehicle off the road. There will be an exception during the transition period – see the month-by-month guide below.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 844 ✭✭✭bigboss1986


    CiniO wrote: »
    My tax expired on 30/06 and I have got renewal already that I have to pay motor tax during July :D so I decided to go to ma local tax office on 30-31/07 to declare off the road for 3 months but suddenly on 1/08 I will change my mind I will put back on the road saving 90 E.


    Can I ask what's the point in first step (declaring your car off the road for 3 months on 30-31/7)?

    You can as well skip that step and use RF100A form on 1/08 (with no-use period for july signed by gards) to tax it from 1/08.

    @CiniO read that
    colm_mcm wrote: »
    If your motor tax is due to expire and you want to declare your vehicle off the road:

    … at the end of June 2013:
    You can make a declaration of non-use in July to your local motor tax office with a commencement date of 1 July 2013 for a period of between 3 and 12 months.
    able to make a declaration of non-use in the month of expiry of the motor tax.

    My tax expired when new rules arrived.If has tax expired by eg.04 /13 ,01/13 than until end of june stamp from guards,from july onwards only new form RF150!!I did ask them in my local tax office I this is what ive been told.

    So again:untill end of june RF100A and stamp (like usual) if tax expired max 05/13...So If i would go on 1st of august with form 100A i will have to pay for july because my tax expired 06/13 and I did not declare off the road by end of july.

    The bottom line is if tax max expired 05-13 ( simple: if tax expired 06-13 how will I get stamp covering 06-13?? :D: )


    If your vehicle has been off the road and you want to put it back on the road:
    during July 2013:
    You can make a declaration witnessed by a Garda covering the period to the end of June 2013 (my tax expired end of june!!! )and tax the vehicle from the beginning of July 2013.

    @Duiske

    Transition period works for me :D

    If im wrong correct me :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,952 ✭✭✭Monokne


    CiniO wrote: »
    Yes.
    If you start using it in August, you will be still able to do it old way (sign RF100A form that you didn't use your car in June and July and tax it from August.
    However remember last time you can do it old way is September (you will be able to declare it was off the road for June, July and August and pay tax from September onwards.
    If you don't do it in September, and will intent to pay tax from October or later, you will have to pay arrears for all the months, or change ownership to someone else to avoid paying arrears.

    That was very clear, concise, and helpful, thank you! :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    And you end up with a stupidly high number of previous owners on the log book....

    irrelevant if it's something that's been off the road for ages.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    Mine has been off the road for a while and I'm out of the country. I probably won't get back before October.

    As I'm unable to pre declare with a Garuda witness, when I do come back will I be liable for back car taxes?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,952 ✭✭✭Monokne


    Probably from July onward, if my understanding is correct.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,520 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    I would say its the time between when you stopped driving it and now that'll be the problem.
    Ðeclaring it off the road from now onwards isn't really that difficult, its just the time without tax before now you'd need to sort out the old way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,035 ✭✭✭goz83


    I can see most cars being sold at the very beginning of a month, or forward dated as such, so the new owner will not have to pay tax for up to a month before the sale date. Imagine buying a car on November 28th and having to pay arrears for that month :rolleyes:


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    Monokne wrote: »
    Probably from July onward, if my understanding is correct.

    Deffo not July, got my form signed yesterday. I was fully prepared for a full interrogation, but the person behind the counter couldn't sign it fast enough and slam the hatch back in my face. Must have had a cup of tea on the desk going cold.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,952 ✭✭✭Monokne


    Deffo not July, got my form signed yesterday. I was fully prepared for a full interrogation, but the person behind the counter couldn't sign it fast enough and slam the hatch back in my face. Must have had a cup of tea on the desk going cold.

    Your form would've included June but you're paying for tax this month...am I right in saying?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    Monokne wrote: »
    Your form would've included June but you're paying for tax this month...am I right in saying?

    Ah, you're right, i'm paying 1st July onwards...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,327 ✭✭✭Merch


    right,so just to clarify
    I have a motorbike not in use (stored away)
    Tax ran out late last year and I did not renew as I was not going to have it on the road for a while (longer than I planned)

    It looks like I can declare this off the road during the transitional period
    without paying arrears (its not in a public place). So long as I do this before end of September, Im ok??


    Im wondering if the motor tax office will send out email reminders prior to the end of off the road periods?? I keep supplying them with my email when I do renewals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 johnlcvi


    In August 2012, I completed the rf100 form for my 1956 vehicle, its off the road until August 2013. Do I need to re submit the RF100 form again or just the Rf150 form? This will give me upto August 2014 to complete the restoration.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    you can't do that

    RF100 is for past months off the road Rf150 for future months

    you need to do rf100 for months right back to when it was last taxed and then rf150 for into the future


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 johnlcvi


    corktina wrote: »
    you can't do that

    RF100 is for past months off the road Rf150 for future months

    you need to do rf100 for months right back to when it was last taxed and then rf150 for into the future
    The car has never been taxed in Ireland, imported from the UK.I completed the RF100 when I registed with the revenue and paid import duty. The current RF100 due to end in Aug 2013.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    I think you have misunderstood the form.
    Up until now you could not declare a car off road in advance. Whatever it is you have done, it is not this. You will still have to make a declaration on past unpaid months in my opinion (and a Rf150 for future months).
    The Rf100 you got when registering it was for paying the motor tax, not for declaring it off road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 johnlcvi


    corktina wrote: »
    I think you have misunderstood the form.
    Up until now you could not declare a car off road in advance. Whatever it is you have done, it is not this. You will still have to make a declaration on past unpaid months in my opinion (and a Rf150 for future months).
    The Rf100 you got when registering it was for paying the motor tax, not for declaring it off road.
    On the back of the Rf100 form:

    DECLARATION OF NON-USE - Complete this section at a Garda station if you are claiming non-use of the vehicle in any
    public place for any period between the date of registration and commencement of the tax period.
    (i) I declare that the vehicle bearing the registration number has not been used by me or with my consent in a public place in the period

    The dates I entered Aug 2012 to Aug 2013. This form signed by Garde.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    the gard is merely witnessing your signature, the form is for use WHEN you tax the vehicle , so the non use period would be from the first of the month in which you re-registered it to the end of the month before you taxed it (which you didn't). You should not have filled that form in until you taxed it and you have NOT declared the car off the road, they probably just filed it or binned it. You now need to declare it off the road for those months with a RF101 and file a Rf 150 for future months.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,973 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    Thats a bit of a bummer having to renew the declaration every year. They are hoping to catch people out who forget this, Michael O'Leary style


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Can a car that's has gotten the declaration of non-use form stamped be taxed with no NCT?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 906 ✭✭✭JMSE


    For all the old vehicles lying in front gardens, back gardens, fields, bogs, barns and wherever, I dont see how they are going to be able to chase (come October) people for arrears. It would just glue up their system if they even had one for chasing arrears in the first place. There are people in this country who have 10 cars with no prospect of ever putting one of them on the road ever again, they may or may not have logbooks for them, may or may not have registered themselves as owners, may or may not even know the registration number of those old things. Can you just imagine how stupid it will be to try and get arrears off this type of person, half the arrears letters wouldnt even land through his letterbox.

    Personally I have 2 old '80s landcruisers lying out the back, both logbooks are still in the previous owners name. I've a '95 fiesta, same story, and a '95 520i in my name. All are off the road but who knows.... and thats what I like about it, I love a bit of tinkering at things.

    Are the tax offices being given any guidance on what happens here, I havent read it here yet. And if any of these old bangers ever ended up being restored and put back on the road (guaranteed this will happen thousands of times over) then do we have to go to court over it and would we win??? Maybe they have to start somewhere and now is that time, but in reality any vehicle which hasnt been taxed since pre July '13 probably wont be chased for arrears. After as little as a few years the arrears will condemn '80s and early '90s cars to being definitely not restorable, just bona fide scrap.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    It's not until someone comes to tax one of these vehicles that any question will arise. If the SORD hasn't been dealt with, they will be looking for the back tax right back to the last time it was taxed. If the ownership changes, it's possible they may look for the back tax form the previous owner. Any vehicle that remains derelict in a back yard won't be a problem.

    The presumption is that if it HASN'T been declared off the road, then it must be ON the road


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭cjmcork


    I'm interested in this scenario also - I've a car in my drive that hasn't moved in 5 years and hasn't been taxed either - it won't move again in my lifetime - what should I do?


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