Firhouse Residential Unit

SamBrugha

Is anyone aware they're living right next to a brand new methadone clinic? the house was recently bought and the clinic set up without any notice or warning so close to local primary and secondary schools, let alone countless residential estates.

Its right beside the Victory Centre on the Firhouse road. the first house to the left of it if you stand facing the gates.

thoughts?

username123

No, I wasnt aware. Have there been problems as a result of it?

How do you know its a methadone clinic.

SamBrugha

Well a few friends in the area have reported seeing (for lack of a better word) junkies wandering the streets and shaddy looking characters loitering outside (very near a large daycare and dancing/acting classes for kids).
And today I witnessed a very disorientated woman walking around my estate muttering god knows what to passers by, who was clearly dosed up on something. I live at least a 15 min walk from the clinic, this is whats prompted me to start this post, in my 22 years of living here Ive never so much as seen a drunk person walking around at night let alone in the day.

I dont believe many people are aware that this is going on in their area and from what I see its not for the better of our community here. people of Firhouse, Knocklyon, and the surrounding areas should know this is on their doorstep.

SamBrugha

Ii may add, the clinic has only been open for a month or so.. I don't think the true extent will be seen for another while yet..

username123

Theres nothing about it on South Dublin County Councils planning applications for Firhouse, going back to 2011. Unless the word Firhouse was not used in the location.

Cant say Ive noticed any more shady characters than usual. Im not sure what Daycare centre you mean (you are aware that Victory has been closed down?).

In saying that Firhouse has become very run down looking in the past few years, if you drive from the complex to super valu through the estates all the walls are tattered looking, overgrown trees, a general state of disrepair. Lot of undesirable ethnic groups around in recent years also.

Ive lived in the area for most of my 40 years and Ive seen plenty of junkies and drunks. Especially drunks. There was a guy who used to wander about near FCC drunk and lie about on the street muttering years ago. Sometimes covered in blood. We were kind of used to him.

I wouldnt go getting my knickers in a twist without actual confirmation as opposed to people seeing junkie types about - theyve always been about, especially near Super Valu.

SamBrugha

Ive also heard this information from a Garda friend in the area.

username123

First you siad that people just saw junkies, and now you are saying someone who works there and a guard told you?

So have people seen junkies?

How did they get round the planning application I wonder?

username123

That property doesn't appear on the property price register either or any cached pages for myhome.ie or daft.ie.

SamBrugha

you asked me has there been any problems as a result... and i gave examples... i heard about the clinic weeks ago.. my gosh im not on here trying to make up fantasies, i have heard about the clinic from credible sources and seen an odd sight since. I'm only wondering if anyone else has heard or knows anything.

from what ive heard they sent in a private buyer to get the house then did it all below the radar, this is all just hearsay at the moment but as i said ive heard things from credible sources. i dont know my neighbour well enough to delve into the ins and outs but i know works there a few days a week.

now thats everything ive heard, seen, and know. its not lies or rumors.

username123

Who is "they"? Do you mean the HSE?

Just seems odd that there is no planning application, no record of sale, nothing upon a google of "clinic firhouse" etc.

Not that I'm disputing it but usually there is a big furore when the HSE or whoever "they" are decide to open a clinic like that in an area which would suggest the information is normally available.

I'll take a drive over tomorrow and see what's going on.

SamBrugha

Honestly I dont know, I dont know WHO or WHAT exactly, I dont know why its not online, I dont know why there is no records. I dont know.

Look im just saying what Ive been told, my neighbour works there!!!!!! seriously take a walk by the gates. I encourage you to walk in to the yard even and see for yourself. I have. And its without a shadow of a doubt a clinic. Its not a residential home. It the first gate to the left of the victory gates as youre looking at it. I understand you have your suspicions but im not lying here, take a look for yourself. go up to the door even and tell me what you think then.

SamBrugha

and may i add the reason im posting this is to bring it to people attention because there was no warning or planning application or any notice of this it just popped up! im sure many residents would have disagreed with it had they known this was a possibility!

username123

Maybe I'll call right in and ask directions!

I know the property you mean alright, it's a big detached place with a grey wall.

I'm not disputing you, I'm just pondering that it seems very odd that there is zero mention of anything anywhere. I could be wrong but I thought there were rules re methadone clinics and proximity to schools etc..

karl tyrrell

This is what it will be like in a few months,where is firhouse man

SamBrugha

yes and there is big high trees around it!

genuinely i thought the same myself at first, and i thought the same about the proximity to schools and residential areas but its there, i dont understand it, people obviously dont know about it. Ive walked by it, ive seen it, it looks like a clinic of some sort!

Let me know what you make of it yourself! and do go in and ask for directions if you have the balls!


I just want more people to be aware of this!

mattjack

is it not a new McVerry Trust residential unit

SamBrugha

"Peter McVerry Trust is committed to reducing homelessness, drug misuse and social disadvantage through its provision of housing and support services.
The Trust provides its services, which are tailored to the needs of the individual through a framework of equal opportunities, dignity and respect."

"drug misuse"

They administer methadone there, look i cant stress this enough my neighbour administers the methadone to them.... people are treated there..

SamBrugha

http://www.pmvtrust.ie/our-services/469-2/

read what they do.. they provide "methadone services"

thank you for giving everyone a name for this methadone clinic

mattjack

SamBrugha wrote: »

"Peter McVerry Trust is committed to reducing homelessness, drug misuse and social disadvantage through its provision of housing and support services.
The Trust provides its services, which are tailored to the needs of the individual through a framework of equal opportunities, dignity and respect."

"drug misuse"

They administer methadone there, look i cant stress this enough my neighbour administers the methadone to them.... people are treated there..

I think there is a new residential PMV trust unit just after opening in Talkaght/Firhouse area.Im not sure if methadobe is dispensed there.

SamBrugha

yes its in firhouse its beside the victory centre on the firhouse road and they dispense methadone! im sure of that!!!!

mattjack

SamBrugha wrote: »

http://www.pmvtrust.ie/our-services/469-2/

read what they do.. they provide "methadone services"

thank you for giving everyone a name for this methadone clinic

I think that link you provided is for a PMV residential detox in Garristown in North County Dublin.

SamBrugha

i merely posted the link as an example of what this trust offers, sir im not here to argue or start rumours the fact is, that they offer methadone services and are treating god knows what, and so close to schools and houses. its ridiculous.

Kablamo!

SamBrugha wrote: »

i merely posted the link as an example of what this trust offers, sir im not here to argue or start rumours the fact is, that they offer methadone services and are treating god knows what, and so close to schools and houses. its ridiculous.

Jumping the gun a bit to assume something bad is going to come of this- the Rutland centre is also in Knockylon- not every addict is the scum of the earth.

mattjack

no worry,s ,sir. Is your neighbour a doctor or pharmacist ?
Im asking because as you methadone is a prescribed drug/medication .
I know Peter McVerry to talk to and work in a drug service myself.



I should have been a little more honest , but there ya go.

SamBrugha

i know that but that is a private clinic, this is not.

SamBrugha

mattjack wrote: »

no worry,s ,sir. Is your neighbour a doctor or pharmacist ?
Im asking because as you methadone is a prescribed drug/medication .
I know Peter McVerry to talk to and work in a drug service myself.



I should have been a little more honest , but there ya go.

I assumed you knew more than you let on as there is nothing on the internet of any McVerry trusts anywhere near firhouse.
obviously you know the reason this is all being kept quiet.

Kablamo!

What exactly are you expecting to happen?!
Considering this is pretty much just speculation for the moment.

SamBrugha

I just want people in the area to be aware of this and whats going on under their noses.

its not speculation, as i said in previous posts, go down and knock on the door if you dont believe it.

Im wondering why its all being kept quiet and questioning the legality of their location considering the nearby schools and houses.

mattjack

SamBrugha wrote: »

I assumed you knew more than you let on as there is nothing on the internet of any McVerry trusts anywhere near firhouse.
obviously you know the reason this is all being kept quiet.

Its on the PMV sites.I don,t think methadone is administered there.
The people living there are trying to get thier lives in order moving away from homelessness.

As far as I know PMV has in excess of fifty residences of various across thr city run in conjunction with other agencies.

The South Dublin area in particular Firhouse/Tallaght has an abundance of excellant services from needle exchanges right up to supported transitional accommodation.

You,ll be quite safe ,they are there years.

SamBrugha

mattjack wrote: »

Its on the PMV sites.I don,t think methadone is administered there.
The people living there are trying to get thier lives in order moving away from homelessness.

As far as I know PMV has in excess of fifty residences of various across thr city run in conjunction with other agencies.

The South Dublin area in particular Firhouse/Tallaght has an abundance of excellant services from needle exchanges right up to supported transitional accommodation.

You,ll be quite safe ,they are there years.

i support the good work they are doing but they do for a fact dispense methadone there, my neighbour administers it, im not getting into anything about her but she has told me herself she works there a few days a week. and according to another neighbour who is a garda this is a new happening in the area, the clinic hasnt been that long in operation.

now either you work there and you know something i dont, please dont tell me what is or isnt there as i have more evidence and proof than you...
unless of course youre trying to hide the fact...

mattjack

SamBrugha wrote: »

i support the good work they are doing but they do for a fact dispense methadone there, my neighbour administers it, im not getting into anything about her but she has told me herself she works there a few days a week. and according to another neighbour who is a garda this is a new happening in the area, the clinic hasnt been that long in operation.

now either you work there and you know something i dont, please dont tell me what is or isnt there as i have more evidence and proof than you...
unless of course youre trying to hide the fact...

Is your neighbour a doctor or pharamacist ?

SamBrugha

i just cant fathom why thats important to you?

as i said it seems like you know a lot more than youre letting on... do YOU work there?
Its funny you should know the name of the clinic yet theres no online evidence of anything even being there...

keithsfleet

SamBrugha wrote: »

now either you work there and you know something i dont, please dont tell me what is or isnt there as i have more evidence and proof than you...
unless of course youre trying to hide the fact...

You sound really paranoid.
Your neighbour could of heard it off someone else, not liked the idea, and lied to you about her administering it to try convince you.

If a methadone clinic was set up it would be announced.

People love inventing stuff to try convince others of something they heard.

You mentioned suddenly seeing "junkies" around.
Junkies are everywhere. It's like looking for a new car and test driving a Renault megan, then every second car you see is s megan.

mattjack

SamBrugha wrote: »

i just cant fathom why thats important to you?

as i said it seems like you know a lot more than youre letting on... do YOU work there?
Its funny you should know the name of the clinic yet theres no online evidence of anything even being there...

It is on the PMV site , no I dont work there.Its a 16 bed residential unit with I think 15 beds filled.

Methadone has to be prescribed by a doctor , an addict in Ireland will have set
amount he has to take .He has to be given it daily or he may if stable be given his in a "takeaway".

Thats why Im asking about your neighbour.

SamBrugha

mattjack wrote: »

It is on the PMV site , no I dont work there.Its a 16 bed residential unit with I think 15 beds filled.

Methadone has to be prescribed by a doctor , an addict in Ireland will have set
amount he has to take .He has to be given it daily or he may if stable be given his in a "takeaway".

Thats why Im asking about your neighbour.

hey i dont want to take this to a personal level and get anyone in trouble
.i just know what ive been told and im concerned. you obviously know a great deal more than i and about the facility down to the number of beds occupied. you must work there or with the charity or perhaps you are/were being helped yourself there.

i know what i know, im just wondering why it wasnt made public.

can you please link me to the page you are talking about that refers to one in firhouse?

endacl

Lots of addicts in the area. Would be nice to see that poxy holyjesusgod centre being put to good use.

SamBrugha

keithsfleet wrote: »

You sound really paranoid.
Your neighbour could of heard it off someone else, not liked the idea, and lied to you about her administering it to try convince you.

If a methadone clinic was set up it would be announced.

People love inventing stuff to try convince others of something they heard.

You mentioned suddenly seeing "junkies" around.
Junkies are everywhere. It's like looking for a new car and test driving a Renault megan, then every second car you see is s megan.

thanks for your input.

mattjack

SamBrugha wrote: »

hey i dont want to take this to a personal level and get anyone in trouble
.i just know what ive been told and im concerned. you obviously know a great deal more than i and about the facility down to the number of beds occupied. you must work there or with the charity or perhaps you are/were being helped yourself there.

i know what i know, im just wondering why it wasnt made public.

can you please link me to the page you are talking about that refers to one in firhouse?

Sure can , go on to the PMV homepage, make your way to the section called "our services"...read and tell us about it.

I dont work for PMV ,I work for a drug service.

You contradicted yourself by saying you dont want this to get personal and you asked me was I helped there effectively asking me am I in recovery.

keithsfleet

SamBrugha wrote: »

thanks for your input.

Your welcome.
I'm off tomorrow, I'll take a spin up and report back before midday.
I'd be highly surprised if it's anything dodge going on below radar.

mattjack

keithsfleet wrote: »

Your welcome.
I'm off tomorrow, I'll take a spin up and report back before midday.
I'd be highly surprised if it's anything dodge going on below radar.

Let us know how you get on. I might ring around tomorrow myself and see if anything stands out as being suspect.

SamBrugha

mattjack wrote: »

Sure can , go on to the PMV homepage, make your way to the section called "our services"...read and tell us about it.

I dont work for PMV ,I work for a drug service.

You contradicted yourself by saying you dont want this to get personal and you asked me was I helped there effectively asking me am I in recovery.

i wasnt expecting an answer, was a mere bit of rhetoric, i wouldn't genuinely ask such a personal thing of a stranger online...

i see the service youve directed me to but i see no evidence of the location in firhouse, a vague mention to tallaght but it still hasn't disproved the methadone services... im not debating this with you i know what i know...

my mind boggles why there isnt any official attributes to this location, especially if it was merely a place to help people get back on their feet.

endacl

SamBrugha wrote: »

my mind boggles why there isnt any official attributes to this location, especially if it was merely a place to help people get back on their feet.

Maybe because

(a) private health service providers aren't required to notify local communities as to the nature of services provided, and to whom.

And

(b) people tend to overreact when they hear about services for drug users in their neighbourhood.

delta_bravo

SamBrugha wrote: »

my mind boggles why there isnt any official attributes to this location, especially if it was merely a place to help people get back on their feet.

why is it any of your concern? Perhaps its to give addicts some privacy without nosy people accosting them or maybe because simply it doesn't need to be public knowledge. Once the people that need the service use it is the main thing

SamBrugha

endacl wrote: »

Maybe because

(a) private health service providers aren't required to notify local communities as to the nature of services provided, and to whom.

And

(b) people tend to overreact when they hear about services for drug users in their neighbourhood.

according to another member on her its a charity so in such a case it wouldnt be private and if there is methadone dispensed there im sure there some legality issue what with it being so close to schools and houses, plus people deserve to know what is going on literally in their back yard...

SamBrugha

delta_bravo wrote: »

why is it any of your concern? Perhaps its to give addicts some privacy without nosy people accosting them or maybe because simply it doesn't need to be public knowledge. Once the people that need the service use it is the main thing

if it was private thats one thing but if its government funded it legally should be made public if that sort of thing is happening so close to schools and many residential estates. people in the area have a right to know whats happening in their community.

delta_bravo

SamBrugha wrote: »

if it was private thats one thing but if its government funded it legally should be made public if that sort of thing is happening so close to schools and many residential estates. people in the area have a right to know whats happening in their community.

Why? Proximity to schools and residential estates can hardly be a preventative factor in locating a clinic. Its a high density area

mattjack

SamBrugha wrote: »

according to another member on her its a charity so in such a case it wouldnt be private and if there is methadone dispensed there im sure there some legality issue what with it being so close to schools and houses, plus people deserve to know what is going on literally in their back yard...

HSE provides methadone services ,you can google them or ring Amien street and Trinity court . Theres no secrets about the services nor any legal issue regarding schools,houses etc.Being stabilised on methadone is not a crime.All the info. regarding HSE methadone services is easily accessible

Hootanany

SamBrugha wrote: »

Is anyone aware they're living right next to a brand new methadone clinic? the house was recently bought and the clinic set up without any notice or warning so close to local primary and secondary schools, let alone countless residential estates.

Its right beside the Victory Centre on the Firhouse road. the first house to the left of it if you stand facing the gates.

thoughts?

I think all Clinics should be in the Suburbs or Industrial estates the later would be better for all.

SamBrugha

delta_bravo wrote: »

Why? Proximity to schools and residential estates can hardly be a preventative factor in locating a clinic. Its a high density area

yes its great to see addicts loitering about as small children walk home from school an residents go about their daily lives absolutely and ideal location to send scum to get their fix amongst 3 schools and many houses....

and yes i know people from all walks of life use methadone as a come down drug but come on and be real the only thing a free methadone clinic is attracting is bad news and crap to the area

SamBrugha

mattjack wrote: »

HSE provides methadone services ,you can google them or ring Amien street and Trinity court . Theres no secrets about the services nor any legal issue regarding schools,houses etc.Being stabilised on methadone is not a crime.All the info. regarding HSE methadone services is easily accessible

how is it you name this clinic when there is absolutely zero information about the address online? and why is it youre defending it so?

people in the area have the right to know a methadone clinic has set up camp in their neighborhood, legal or not.

mattjack

SamBrugha wrote: »

yes its great to see addicts loitering about as small children walk home from school and residents go about their daily lives absolutely and ideal location to send scum to get their fix amongst 3 schools and many houses....

and yes i know people from all walks of life use methadone as a come down drug but come on and be real the only thing a free methadone clinic is attracting is bad news and crap to the area

earlier you suggested I had been helped by PMV and now you use the term scum....... oh Lord ,whatever next ?