Is the western world really this racist?

nino1

This is not new news but it just got me thinking

The US is responsible for the death of around 800 innocent civilians of which around 200 were children from drone strikes in Pakistan Yemen and Somalia since 2004.

Bush and Obama use the excuse that we are protecting our citizens from terrorist attacks.

Going by that logic the UK could have sent drone strikes to Ireland to kill IRA members and if it resulted in hundreds of innocent civilians and children being killed then so be it. (I realise there were atrocities like bloody sunday but nothing to this extent)

Can you imagine these pictures being Irish kids as a result of a UK drone strike WARNING GRAPHIC PICTURES
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Why are we not as shocked when they are Pakistani children?
Why is there not the same uproar as there would be if it were children from the western world?
Are we all just that racist?

SCOOP 64

Why did i ignore the WARNING GRAPHIC PICTURES. awful pictures.

Peregrine

nino1 wrote: »

Why are we not as shocked when they are Pakistani children?
Why is there not the same uproar as there would be if it were children from the western world?
Are we all just that racist?

IF they were our children, I seriously doubt the Pakistanis would be shocked and start an uproar.

We don't know too much about them so we kind of numb ourselves to what happens there, if it was closer to home with closer links to us, there would be more reactions.

Frosty McSnowballs

Our lack of knowledge about civilian deaths from drone strikes has nothing to do with racism.

crazy cabbage

Sure look at the Boston bombings and the amount of media coverage that that got. Bear in mind that, what 3 died?

Compare that to much worse incidents that occur 'regular' in places like packastan like you said. Where 10's or hunderds or people might die.

We don't here about incidents in these places. They bearly make the news.
Where as with the Boston bombing it was all over the internet in mins and plastered over the news for weeks

Joe10000

The pictures are appalling and I can't believe I looked, you are obviously trolling and I hope the ban you get is appropriate.

nino1

Joe10000 wrote: »

The pictures are appalling and I can't believe I looked, you are obviously trolling and I hope the ban you get is appropriate.

Good man Joe, we should all stick our heads in the sand and pretend its not happening.

Oh yeah, and ban any threads and posters that dares to discuss it!

SCOOP 64

Joe10000 wrote: »

The pictures are appalling and I can't believe I looked, you are obviously trolling and I hope the ban you get is appropriate.

I think ill live.

Mr Whirly

Joe10000 wrote: »

The pictures are appalling and I can't believe I looked, you are obviously trolling and I hope the ban you get is appropriate.

I can't believe you looked either.

Americas crusades are not great.

Israeli Superiority

There's too many people on this planet. I could not care less about a few deaths on the other side of the planet, to be honest.

Dr Drastico

crazy cabbage wrote: »

Sure look at the Boston bombings and the amount of media coverage that that got. Bear in mind that, what 3 died?

Compare that to much worse incidents that occur 'regular' in places like packastan like you said. Where 10's or hunderds or people might die.

We don't here about incidents in these places. They bearly make the news.
Where as with the Boston bombing it was all over the internet in mins and plastered over the news for weeks

That's because we share a common language and culture with the US. We also don't hear about the Chinese government displacing millions of Tibetans from their homes and replacing them with Han Chinese.

The Internet allows us greater exposure to such stories.

Frosty McSnowballs

It's also worth noting that it is a common tactic for high value targets, to hide or mix among innocent civilians.

Jonny7

We wouldn't allow drone strikes

Pakistan does (although they are careful to decry them publicly and politically)

onemorechance

Over 100 000 people have died so far today!

mikom

nino1 wrote: »

This is not new news but it just got me thinking

The US is responsible for the death of around 800 innocent civilians of which around 200 were children from drone strikes in Pakistan Yemen and Somalia since 2004.

Bush and Obama use the excuse that we are protecting our citizens from terrorist attacks.

Going by that logic the UK could have sent drone strikes to Ireland to kill IRA members and if it resulted in hundreds of innocent civilians and children being killed then so be it. (I realise there were atrocities like bloody sunday but nothing to this extent)

Can you imagine these pictures being Irish kids as a result of a UK drone strike WARNING GRAPHIC PICTURES
d1.png
d2.png
d3.png

Why are we not as shocked when they are Pakistani children?
Why is there not the same uproar as there would be if it were children from the western world?
Are we all just that racist?

Was this the same Obama that was preaching peace in Northern Ireland?

onemorechance

Over 22 000 people have died from hunger so far today! Over 5.5. million this year!

onemorechance

Over 3500 people have died from 'water related diseases' so far today, 900k so far this year!

onemorechance

2,695 dead from Road traffic accidents so far today!

onemorechance

15,195 children under 5 have died so far today.

lkionm

C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER

Uriel.

I am far far far from a supporter of American Foreign Policy. But innocent lives are lost in war.

How many innocents died on 9/11 for example? I don't believe that America willfully targets civilians but if Governments make a decision to harbor international terrorists then America will feel justified in taking action on foreign soil. Unfortunately the tactics used by terrorist organisations means that there is always a (strong) chance of civilian casualties, which is always a tragedy.

kdowling

Why is onemorechance posting such meaningless and unrelated links?!

KTRIC

People die, get over it FFS !!

roozer

onemorechance wrote: »

Over 3500 people have died from 'water related diseases' so far today, 900k so far this year!

Your links would make more sense if this was a "random facts" thread

Wattle

Israeli Superiority wrote: »

There's too many people on this planet. I could not care less about a few deaths on the other side of the planet, to be honest.

You sound delightful.

MOC88

Can you link to the source numbers are coming from? Thanks

Joe10000

You're so smart. Anybody who posts pictures of dead children should have a word with themselves.

Joe10000

nino1 wrote: »

Good man Joe, we should all stick our heads in the sand and pretend its not happening.

Oh yeah, and ban any threads and posters that dares to discuss it!

Can you not get your point across without posting photographs of dead children ?

af_thefragile

Uriel. wrote: »

I am far far far from a supporter of American Foreign Policy. But innocent lives are lost in war.

How many innocents died on 9/11 for example? I don't believe that America willfully targets civilians but if Governments make a decision to harbor international terrorists then America will feel justified in taking action on foreign soil. Unfortunately the tactics used by terrorist organisations means that there is always a (strong) chance of civilian casualties, which is always a tragedy.

It's a bull**** war though.

US and UK attacking and killing those people only increase their hatred towards US and UK which in turn leads to more people becoming terrorists. It's pretty clear which is why the "War on Terror" has been going on for more than 10yrs and it has only made things worse than any better.

Pakistan cooperated with USA before and handed over 1000s of "suspected terrorists" to America who all ended up being tortured in Guantanamo. Turned out overwhelming majority of those "suspected terrorists" were absolutely innocent and were needlessly tortured. Hence Pakistan stopped handing over its citizens to America to be tortured. Even then Pakistan is still cooperating with America in that it underplays the number of drone strikes conducted by America on Pakistani villages and also the number of civilians who die in these strikes.

Saying "but the terrorists use innocent civilians as cover" is an extremely weak and stupid justification to carry on drone strikes on civilians.

lkionm

Joe10000 wrote: »

Can you not get your point across without posting photographs of dead children ?

It says warning graphic pictures.



Even if it didnt, what did you expect? that GIF of the dog licking your screen?

Joe10000

lkionm wrote: »

It says warning graphic pictures.



Even if it didnt, what did you expect? that GIF of the dog licking your screen?

Why would I expect a GIF of a dog licking a screen in a thread about racism ?

Photographs of dead children are also completely out of context.

af_thefragile

lkionm wrote: »

It says warning graphic pictures.

Even if it didnt, what did you expect? that GIF of the dog licking your screen?

I didn't need to click on the links to know what they were going to be which is why I didn't click on the link. You've gotta control your compulsions at times...

Joe10000

nino1 wrote: »

This is not new news but it just got me thinking

The US is responsible for the death of around 800 innocent civilians of which around 200 were children from drone strikes in Pakistan Yemen and Somalia since 2004.

Bush and Obama use the excuse that we are protecting our citizens from terrorist attacks.

Going by that logic the UK could have sent drone strikes to Ireland to kill IRA members and if it resulted in hundreds of innocent civilians and children being killed then so be it. (I realise there were atrocities like bloody sunday but nothing to this extent)

Can you imagine these pictures being Irish kids as a result of a UK drone strike WARNING GRAPHIC PICTURES
d1.png
d2.png
d3.png

Why are we not as shocked when they are Pakistani children?
Why is there not the same uproar as there would be if it were children from the western world?
Are we all just that racist?

Perhaps next time you should say WARNING PICTURES OF DEAD CHILDREN.

Then people have a choice to look or not.

Joe10000

af_thefragile wrote: »

I didn't need to click on the links to know what they were going to be which is why I didn't click on the link. You've gotta control your compulsions at times...

Weak argument.

lkionm

Joe10000 wrote: »

Perhaps next time you should say WARNING PICTURES OF DEAD CHILDREN.

Then people have a choice to look or not.

Joe, take a seat.

I see you have been a member of the internet since 2003. A bit longer than me (awkward chuckle). Sometimes when we see words such as warning or graphic content, we tend to be on our toes. We all know what is going to come. I just hope you dont venture into the bowels of reddit gore.

titan18

Israeli Superiority wrote: »

There's too many people on this planet. I could not care less about a few deaths on the other side of the planet, to be honest.

That post with your username is fantastic.

Karl Stein

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

It's also worth noting that it is a common tactic for high value targets, to hide or mix among innocent civilians.

Does that make blowing up the people around them morally sound?

Joe10000

Mate continue to try to be as condescending as you can but until tonight I have never seen dead children on my phone, if you're ok with that then good luck to you but it was not necessary for the op to post those pictures to make his argument.

It's obvious he came across the pictures and then made an argument to somehow support them looking for kudos and I have fallen into the trap of being outraged which is why he posted the photos in the first place.

Joe10000

lkionm wrote: »

Joe, take a seat.

I see you have been a member of the internet since 2003. A bit longer than me (awkward chuckle). Sometimes when we see words such as warning or graphic content, we tend to be on our toes. We all know what is going to come. I just hope you dont venture into the bowels of reddit gore.

Why did you look up my profile when the point we are arguing has nothing to do with asl ?

lkionm

Joe10000 wrote: »

Mate continue to try to be as condescending as you can but until tonight I have never seen dead children on my phone, if you're ok with that then good luck to you but it was not necessary for the op to post those pictures to make his argument.

It's obvious he came across the pictures and then made an argument to somehow support them looking for kudos and I have fallen into the trap of being outraged which is why he posted the photos in the first place.

Sorry buddy, there was a warning. Seriously, chum


Why not report the posts, pal?

Super-Rush

Joe10000 wrote: »

Mate continue to try to be as condescending as you can but until tonight I have never seen dead children on my phone, if you're ok with that then good luck to you but it was not necessary for the op to post those pictures to make his argument.

It's obvious he came across the pictures and then made an argument to somehow support them looking for kudos and I have fallen into the trap of being outraged which is why he posted the photos in the first place.

Nobody forced you to look at them.

Build a bridge.

Joe10000

lkionm wrote: »

Sorry buddy, there was a warning. Seriously, chum


Why not report the posts, pal?

Enough trolling.

lkionm

Joe10000 wrote: »

Why did you look up my profile when the point we are arguing has nothing to do with asl ?

<===== look over here

Joe10000

lkionm wrote: »

Sorry buddy, there was a warning. Seriously, chum


Why not report the posts, pal?

Three unnecessary commas there chum.

lkionm

Joe10000 wrote: »

Enough trolling.

Im not trolling. I didnt go to your house and force you to look at it them.

Crackle

Can you imagine these pictures being Irish kids as a result of a UK drone strike WARNING GRAPHIC PICTURES

After reading that line, what exactly were you expecting to see when clicking the link? Especially when the OP was talking about children being killed by drone strikes.

Regarding the question in the title, racist wouldn't be the word to use imo. For most people it's more a lack of awareness as to what's really going on I suppose. Much like the growing death toll in Iraq, people become desensitised because it's not out of the ordinary anymore, for us anyway.

lkionm

Joe10000 wrote: »

Three unnecessary commas there chum.

No, one will find they in the right place.

keelanj69

Welcome to the world Joe. Please keep your chair in the upright position.

Joe10000

Dead photos of children on the Internet is not ok.

Night all.

Joe10000

lkionm wrote: »

No, one will find they in the right place.

They're

keelanj69

Joe10000 wrote: »

Dead photos of children on the Internet is not ok.

Night all.

Its a disgrace, Joe. Best for us all if we don't know about dem fordiners getting blown up.