Police in California shoot dog

ibarelycare

WARNING: Disturbing video. I'm not going to embed it so here's the link.



A large number of police are surrounding a house in a residential area. A man is watching with his dog, and filming and taking pictures of the police with his phone, two officers in particular who look like they're standing by for orders. As he continues filming, the officers walk towards him and he puts the dog in his car and closes the door, but the car windows are wide open. The officers start to put him in handcuffs and the dog goes crazy in the car and jumps out the window towards his owner. The officers pull back as the dog attempts to bite one of their legs. Then the dog jumps up on one of the cops and tries to bite his arm, and is shot and killed.

No doubt there's going to be uproar in relation to this situation. It's so sad to see a dog being shot for trying to defend its owner and maybe the officer acted too rashly. On the other hand, a Rottweiler has one of the most powerful bites of any dog and if one is coming at you to attack, I can imagine the officer's instinct was to defend himself by killing it.

What do the people of AH think?

GarIT

The officer did the right thing, the dog was being aggressive and had to be killed.

Grand Moff Tarkin

None story the dog had it coming.

Mushy

Lot less sympathy because its a Rottweiler anyway, if it wasn't a vicious one I'd say hang the cop!

Sauve

If any dog tried to bite me I would happily shoot him too.
The police should be entitled to do their job without fear of being attacked like that.

Czarcasm

With a rotweiler latched on to your arm, your first thought is never going to be "ah sure, he'll let go in a minute".

The officer was left with no choice but to shoot the dog.

Cienciano

In america the issue is probably about the colour of the dog

Cuttlefish

The dog was protecting his owner, Now I have not watched the clip yet however all the guy was doing was filming a public event and the police, from the OP's thread, were being heavy handed. A dogs faith is unquestioning and he will defend his owner to the last everyone knows this and it was the action of the police man that provoked the reaction from the dog.

They had no right to put the dog in the car or to arrest the man.

Dog's sense fear and danger and probably did in this situation.


The police were heavy handed and wrong - simple as.

ibarelycare

Cuttlefish wrote: »

The dog was protecting his owner, Now I have not watched the clip yet however all the guy was doing was filming a public event and the police, from the OP's thread, were being heavy handed. A dogs faith is unquestioning and he will defend his owner to the last everyone knows this and it was the action of the police man that provoked the reaction from the dog.

They had no right to put the dog in the car or to arrest the man.

Dog's sense fear and danger and probably did in this situation.


The police were heavy handed and wrong - simple as.

They didn't put the dog in the car, the owner put the dog in the car while the police were approaching.

How do you know they had no right to arrest the man? It's not very clear from that video, but in another video you can see that he is being antagonistic and interfering in them doing their work.

If you haven't watched the video, how can you say they were heavy-handed and wrong?

Cuttlefish

ibarelycare wrote: »

They didn't put the dog in the car, the owner put the dog in the car while the police were approaching.

How do you know they had no right to arrest the man? It's not very clear from that video, but in another video you can see that he is being antagonistic and interfering in them doing their work.

If you haven't watched the video, how can you say they were heavy-handed and wrong?

I think your username doesn't suit you, you seem to be very passionate about this topic! :P

Why did you post about one video and then mention a second, perhaps more informative, video??

seamus

It's not clear the in the video why the man was being arrested.

The dog was clearly not being at all vicious, it was clearly just concerned for its owner. The correct course of action would have been to tell the owner to calm the dog down. The dog was quite relaxed and submissive until they started threatening it.

Complete overreaction and abuse of power on so many levels. Not really surprising given the increasing gulf between US security forces and their population.

Ruudi_Mentari

Looks like they jumped the gun somewhat, having never locked the window

brutal to see it squirm like that a deathly fit. Awful, but all an officer sees is a thug dogg

TeddyTedson

Poor dog. Although it would have been a lot worse if the dog bit someone. Probably the right decision after the dog escaped from the car.

listermint

It looks as if the dog was backing up and sniffing the ground before the officer approached it again antagonising it, completely mishandled the situation tbh

az2wp0sye65487

Just watched the video - and I'm sorry I did.

I didn't hear what was happening but it looks to me like the guy was filming the scene (as were plenty of others) with his dog calmly standing beside him on a leash.

The cops decide they want to talk to him so he puts his dog in his car and basically does what they say - he even turns around and puts his own hands behind his back.

The cops get a bit rough with him - when the dog sees people 'attacking' it's owner it tries to protect him. Didn't look like there was any need to shoot the dog. All it would have taken is for them all to calm down and someone to pick up the lead that was still attached to the dog's collar.

ibarelycare

Cuttlefish wrote: »

I think your username doesn't suit you, you seem to be very passionate about this topic! :P

Why did you post about one video and then mention a second, perhaps more informative, video??

I'm not being passionate about it, I think I was pretty clear in my OP that I could see it from both sides. I questioned your post as I think it's silly to be jumping to conclusions when you haven't even watched the video.



I saw the other video on Reddit on my way into work but couldn't find it when I was posting. I don't have speakers on my work computer, but I think this is the one.

Faith+1

Cop was right.

jamesjoyce1710

it isn't nice seeing the dog roll around like that but com eon it bloody attacked the cops, what do you expect them to do, its a big vicious dog!

fullstop

Cuttlefish wrote: »

I think your username doesn't suit you, you seem to be very passionate about this topic! :P

Why did you post about one video and then mention a second, perhaps more informative, video??

Why did you post your opinion of the video without watching the video? I mean, seriously

Dravokivich

ibarelycare wrote: »

If you haven't watched the video, how can you say they were heavy-handed and wrong?

You said yourself the video was quite disturbing. A lot of people are in work right now. How can you expect him to comment on the video itself as opposed to your summary of it?

Ruudi_Mentari

He failed to secure the dog himself. and it looks like one of them dogs thats for protection, even in public and aren't you supposed to muzzle a Rottweiler too

ibarelycare

Anika Fast Ballet wrote: »

Just watched the video - and I'm sorry I did.

I didn't hear what was happening but it looks to me like the guy was filming the scene (as were plenty of others) with his dog calmly standing beside him on a leash.

The cops decide they want to talk to him so he puts his dog in his car and basically does what they say - he even turns around and puts his own hands behind his back.

The cops get a bit rough with him - when the dog sees people 'attacking' it's owner it tries to protect him. Didn't look like there was any need to shoot the dog. All it would have taken is for them all to calm down and someone to pick up the lead that was still attached to the dog's collar.

You can see twice that one of the officer's tries to reach the leash. You can see in the video I posted in my last post that the owner was being antagonistic towards them, so they didn't detain him for no reason. It is so sad that the dog had to die as he was just looking out for his owner, but it was obviously a tense situation, there were loads of police cars in the area, the cops were walking around with machine guns. The officer reacted instinctively to protect himself and his colleagues.

Ilik Urgee

Can't remember my youtube username or password. And my feet are on fire.

ibarelycare

Dravokivich wrote: »

You said yourself the video was quite disturbing. A lot of people are in work right now. How can you expect him to comment on the video itself as opposed to your summary of it?

I've no problem with people not watching the video, and just drawing conclusions from my summary. But I gave as objective a summary as I could, and I couldn't see how that poster could have inferred from what I posted that the police were heavy-handed and straight up in the wrong.

az2wp0sye65487

ibarelycare wrote: »

You can see twice that one of the officer's tries to reach the leash. You can see in the video I posted in my last post that the owner was being antagonistic towards them, so they didn't detain him for no reason. It is so sad that the dog had to die as he was just looking out for his owner, but it was obviously a tense situation, there were loads of police cars in the area, the cops were walking around with machine guns. The officer reacted instinctively to protect himself and his colleagues.

The dog was acting instinctively to protect it's owner. But it didn't look overly aggressive - it stopped barking and started just sniffing the ground in the middle of the situation. A dog in 'attack mode' doesn't just lose concentration because of a good smell.

The dog was obviously well able to be handled.

ibarelycare

Anika Fast Ballet wrote: »

The dog was acting instinctively to protect it's owner. But it didn't look overly aggressive - it stopped barking and started just sniffing the ground in the middle of the situation. A dog in 'attack mode' doesn't just lose concentration because of a good smell.

The dog was obviously well able to be handled.

At 3:15, the dog is sniffing the ground. At 3:18 he goes for the cop's leg. Then he retreats slightly and as the officer tries to reach for his leash again at 3:22, he jumps to attack his arm, and the officer shoots.

az2wp0sye65487

ibarelycare wrote: »

At 3:15, the dog is sniffing the ground. At 3:18 he goes for the cop's leg. Then he retreats slightly and as the officer tries to reach for his leash again at 3:22, he jumps to attack his arm, and the officer shoots.

That's not attacking.

If a dog like that was really attacking it would have latched on to the cops arm/leg as soon as it ran out of the car - and not let go. It would then have been necessary to put the dog down.

ibarelycare

Anika Fast Ballet wrote: »

That's not attacking.

If a dog like that was really attacking it would have latched on to the cops arm/leg as soon as it ran out of the car - and not let go. It would then have been necessary to put the dog down.

So do you think they should have waited until he actually bit one of them, and possibly seriously injured them, before shooting?

The Cool

It's very easy for everyone here to say that it's animal cruelty and so on. It'd be a very different situation if you had a rottweiler getting mad at you.
Ok it's the dog's natural instinct to protect his owner. It's also a human's natural instinct to protect himself from an angry, strong, large animal.

listermint

The Cool wrote: »

It's very easy for everyone here to say that it's animal cruelty and so on. It'd be a very different situation if you had a rottweiler getting mad at you.
Ok it's the dog's natural instinct to protect his owner. It's also a human's natural instinct to protect himself from an angry, strong, large animal.

Which is what the pepper spray is for on the other side of his belt....

This was badly handled .

Israeli Superiority

Anika Fast Ballet wrote: »

That's not attacking.

If a dog like that was really attacking it would have latched on to the cops arm/leg as soon as it ran out of the car - and not let go. It would then have been necessary to put the dog down.

The dog is a pet, not a K-9 unit. Police dogs are trained to latch on to people like that, his dog didn't know what to do when it reached the scene.

If a Rottweiler came running at me, I would have shot it sooner. Scary fúckers.