David Walsh seven deadly sins-Lance Armstrong

drdeadlift

Hi all,

Just curius as to what other people though of this book from David Walsh.
I read it over the past week,was a nice read but towards the end he started to sound like a wench moaning.
Am i along in thinking this?
If anyone can recommend a book with a similar story from a different author i would be grateful.

Eamonnator

Funny that. I thought pretty much the same thing. Without the wench reference, obviously. I'm not sexist.

snollup

Rough Ride by Paul Kimmage. Fantastic read!

pelevin

Tyler Hamilton's book The Secret Race was a very good read from someone on the inside of the maelstrom. And if you want a break from the doping side, Laurent Fignon's autobiography well worth a look though pity wasn't longer.

snollup

pelevin wrote: »

Tyler Hamilton's book The Secret Race was a very good read from someone on the inside of the maelstrom. And if you want a break from the doping side, Laurent Fignon's autobiography well worth a look though pity wasn't longer.

+1, great read.

on_the_nickel

drdeadlift wrote: »

Hi all,

Just curius as to what other people though of this book from David Walsh.
I read it over the past week,was a nice read but towards the end he started to sound like a wench moaning.
Am i along in thinking this?
If anyone can recommend a book with a similar story from a different author i would be grateful.

He blocked me on twitter for an innocuous tweet I sent him about him having a new job as Sky's PR.

Harrybelafonte

on_the_nickel wrote: »

He blocked me on twitter for an innocuous tweet I sent him about him having a new job as Sky's PR.

Not great PR really is it.

Wishbone Ash

drdeadlift wrote: »

Hi all,

Just curius as to what other people though of this book from David Walsh.
I read it over the past week,was a nice read but towards the end he started to sound like a wench moaning.
Am i along in thinking this?
If anyone can recommend a book with a similar story from a different author i would be grateful.

I thought it was a great read and probably the fastest book I've ever read. I took it to read on my last holiday and nearly finished it on the flight out.

snollup wrote: »

Rough Ride by Paul Kimmage. Fantastic read!

Good read but he's a bit "whingey and victimised".

Beasty

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

Not great PR really is it.

Yeah on_the_nickel - you're not doing yourself any favours getting on the wrong side of Rupert Murdoch ...

redzerredzer

The secret race is a great read but as you mentioned about Walsh, I thought Hamilton was a dick by the end of it.
The cheek of him telling that story about confronting the guy with the "dopers suck" t shirt.
Racing through the dark by David millar is a good read too but again I hated him by the end. Blamed everyone but himself. You'd swear he was kidnapped and forced to dope. Spoilt little brat.
Didn't believe his story about only doping after he had proved he could win clean.

Bunnyhopper

David Millar, Racing Through the Dark
and
Matt Rendell, The Death of Marco Pantani

Wishbone Ash

Just getting into holiday mode by rereading "Slaying the Badger" tonight.

ford2600

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Just getting into holiday mode by rereading "Slaying the Badger" tonight.

Excellent read. Two complicated men

Consey

+ yep, loved, Fignon's book and attitude.

snollup wrote: »

+1, great read.

snollup

From a while ago.... Cycling Books

mikemcdeedy100

walsh gonna write a piece in the ST about doping after the tour

https://twitter.com/DavidWalshST

By then I will have spent ten weeks with team................

lizzylad84

tyler hamiltons book is very good, as is david millars book...

shaka

Loved walshs book, read it in couple of days . His own realisations from kimmages observation about his all consuming obsession with pharmstrong were interesting. Only for him and a handful of others we would still be listening to the tripe about the pharmstrong miracle .

Craig06

Millar's book is excellent as he has come out the other side of the whole ordeal and changed things for the better unlike the other books.

redzerredzer

Craig06 wrote: »

Millar's book is excellent as he has come out the other side of the whole ordeal and changed things for the better unlike the other books.

Really? He seems to have said a bit of stuff but at the same time said nothing.
I have not done much research on what positives he has done so I would genuinely like to be educated about him. Im open to changing my attitude towards him, but has he actually changed things for the better?

godtabh

redzerredzer wrote: »

Racing through the dark by David millar is a good read too but again I hated him by the end. Blamed everyone but himself. You'd swear he was kidnapped and forced to dope. Spoilt little brat.
Didn't believe his story about only doping after he had proved he could win clean.

They way I read it was that he had "issues" and the life he led were a big factor in taking drugs. His lifestyle was not what I would have expected as a pro cyclist. If he didnt do cycling I'm sure he'd be a junkie or some such at this stage

redzerredzer

godtabh wrote: »

They way I read it was that he had "issues" and the life he led were a big factor in taking drugs. His lifestyle was not what I would have expected as a pro cyclist. If he didnt do cycling I'm sure he'd be a junkie or some such at this stage

I only read the book once and it was about 2 years ago so cant really remember the issues you mention. Do you mean his that he drank a lot. He reminded of when I was 14 and everyone would brag about how much they drank.
If he wasnt a cyclist he'd be at the back of the queue of the posh nightclubs and restaurants that he craves so much.

As for his unhealthy relationship with his sister!

laraghrider

I'd agree with godtabh. I read Millar's book and always though cycling saved him. He would have been on a road to ruin if it wasn't for cycling and his kinda strange existence between Scotland, England, Hong Kong etc... Good read although I am in the category of yes you're taking the moral high ground now but you could have done something back then. Still like the work he and Vaughters did and are doing with Garmin.

Hamilton's book was excellent as well but the story of chasing the guy with the dopers suck jersey was a bit stupid. Why bother. I would recommend either of them though and also 'Bad Blood' is an excellent book.

lizzylad84

Perhaps verring slightly off topic for a second but I've just finished William forerunghams books on Tom Simpson (put me back on my bike) and Fausto coppi ( fallen angel) I really enjoyed them both, found the Simpson one truly heartbreaking stuff

LennoxR

I actually didn't like 'Seven Deadly Sins' at all. It's all really about David Walsh himself and his 'quest'. Especially the second half of it.

There's really very little putting into context the Armstrong era in pro cycling and a whole hell of a lot of self-congratulation on Walsh's part.

fightireland

LennoxR wrote: »

I actually didn't like 'Seven Deadly Sins' at all. It's all really about David Walsh himself and his 'quest'. Especially the second half of it.

There's really very little putting into context the Armstrong era in pro cycling and a whole hell of a lot of self-congratulation on Walsh's part.

But the very title of the book is "Seven Deadly Sins, My Pursuit of Lance Armstrong" ... what did you think it was about???

LennoxR

fightireland wrote: »

But the very title of the book is "Seven Deadly Sins, My Pursuit of Lance Armstrong" ... what did you think it was about???

I was actually given it as a present. But surely the interesting part is the Armstrong doping story not the David Walsh story? I gave up long before the end I'm afraid.

drdeadlift

pelevin wrote: »

Tyler Hamilton's book The Secret Race was a very good read from someone on the inside of the maelstrom. And if you want a break from the doping side, Laurent Fignon's autobiography well worth a look though pity wasn't longer.

Read the secret race,will look up Lauren's book!

mosstin

Hated Millar's book. Sounded like he was pissed by the end because he wasn't made poster boy for anti-dopers. Thought Hamilton's book was pretty good though - comes across as a much more likeable guy. 7DS was a good read but Walsh is very much into his caped crusader mode by the end.

shaka

LennoxR wrote: »

I was actually given it as a present. But surely the interesting part is the Armstrong doping story not the David Walsh story? I gave up long before the end I'm afraid.

I would think they go hand in hand, without the David Walsh story and his obsession we would never have found out the truth about the fraud pharmstrong

drdeadlift

shaka wrote: »

I would think they go hand in hand, without the David Walsh story and his obsession we would never have found out the truth about the fraud pharmstrong

I wouldnt agree.

ckeego

It's very interesting the various takes on 7 deadly sins, and like most here, I read it very soon after it came out.

I felt though that had you read a previous publication of Walsh's, "From Lance to Landis" (an excellent read in tandem with Bad Blood and Rough Ride), there is very little new in what Walsh is saying.

It is almost as if the previous book was just updated with a smug postscript of "I told yis so.."

Walsh is, without doubt, an excellent journalist who has gone through a lot in his life but I felt 7 D S was a pure rehash of a story already well told.