Pro Life Muck hanging on poles in town.

0rt

Anyone else seen these posters?

"abortion dosent stop suicide" etc..

I spotted one at the Rapid Express office on a pole last night when i got off the bus... Ive a good mind to go take them down..

Any more around town?

charlemont

Not just in Waterford either, Seen them on the N71 out of Cork..I wonder do they hire a company to install them or do their own supporters put them up.

A2LUE42

In Limerick too

hfallada

They are all over Dublin. Its disgusting that tourist have to look at this propaganda. I have no issue with these nut jobs doing a few press releases. But covering all the lamp poles across Ireland is such a waste of money. Who is even funding these people?

howamidifferent

hfallada wrote: »

Who is even funding these people?

I've heard on Matt Cooper months ago that a lot of it was financed by US of A Christian fundamentalists.

0rt

probably the church..
but that wont last long, we are all pagans by their view anyways.

endacl

If I'm out walking and I see somebody else's rubbish left lying around, I consider it a civic duty to dispose of it properly.

Gadgie

Are these signs/posters legal?

0rt

ill ask in the legal section.

intellectual dosser

I'd urge caution, they've threatened to kill people over this.

0rt

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=85280406#post85280406

Finnbar01

So people don't agree with others point of view and therefore accuse them of proganda and spreading muck?

spurious

AFAIK it's littering and can be reported.

Andersonisgod

Finnbar01 wrote: »

So people don't agree with others point of view and therefore accuse them of proganda and spreading muck?

Whatever your view on abortion, putting a billboard right outside the national rape centre saying "the abortion bill won't make women safer" is extremely tasteless. It also doesn't help their case with their use of incorrect facts on posters.

old hippy

Finnbar01 wrote: »

So people don't agree with others point of view and therefore accuse them of proganda and spreading muck?

There's points of view and then there's muck and propaganda masquerading as facts and choices.

endacl

Finnbar01 wrote: »

So people don't agree with others point of view and therefore accuse them of proganda and spreading muck?

Only when they're spreading muck. In which case its not so much an accusation as a statement. The propaganda bit is ok. You're spot-on there.

Finnbar01

old hippy wrote: »

There's points of view and then there's muck and propaganda masquerading as facts and choices.

I see, so what you don't agree with it, it's muck and propaganda but what you do agree with, then it's facts and choices???

endacl

Finnbar01 wrote: »

I see, so what you don't agree with is muck and propaganda but what you do agree with, then it's facts and choices???

Nah. If its something factual and reasonable, I'm generally happy to just not agree with it.

jimmy5694

old hippy wrote: »

There's points of view and then there's muck and propaganda masquerading as facts and choices.

agreed

old hippy

Finnbar01 wrote: »

I see, so what you don't agree with it, it's muck and propaganda but what you do agree with, then it's facts and choices???

I agree with facts and choices, yes. Not muck and propaganda. Can't make it any simpler.

Finnbar01

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Whatever your view on abortion, putting a billboard right outside the national rape centre saying "the abortion bill won't make women safer" is extremely tasteless. It also doesn't help their case with their use of incorrect facts on posters.

The OP mentioned the Rapid Express office .

endacl

Finnbar01 wrote: »

The OP mentioned the Rapid Express office .

Could posters please confine their discussion to this one pole please. Is that what you mean?

Finnbar01

old hippy wrote: »

I agree with facts and choices, yes. Not muck and propaganda. Can't make it any simpler.

Providing those facts and choices are ones you agree with, those that don't need to silenced, is it?

endacl

That's not how I'd have interpreted the statement, but how and ever...

Finnbar01

endacl wrote: »

Could posters please confine their discussion to this one pole please. Is that what you mean?

THE OP mentioned Rapid Express that's all I was pointing out, nothing was said about posters outside rape crisis centres.

old hippy

Finnbar01 wrote: »

Providing those facts and choices are ones you agree with, those that don't need to silenced, is it?

Lies, scaremongering and misogyny should be kept in people's heads rather than nailed to posts, that is correct.

endacl

Finnbar01 wrote: »

THE OP mentioned Rapid Express that's all I was pointing out, nothing was said about posters outside rape crisis centres.

So it's ok to expand and allow the discussion to develop? Nice one...

OP gave a 'for example'.

Finnbar01

old hippy wrote: »

Lies, scaremongering and misogyny should be kept in people's heads rather than nailed to posts, that is correct.

So you've decided to be some sort of censor and only allow certain facts and choices to enter peoples' heads?

endacl

old hippy wrote: »

Lies, scaremongering and misogyny should be kept in people's heads rather than nailed to posts, that is correct.

I disagree. It should be expressed, challenged, and dismissed.

Finnbar01

endacl wrote: »

So it's ok to expand and allow the discussion to develop? Nice one...

OP gave a 'for example'.

Expand all away you want.

My point is this. Because there are certain things in life we see and hear about which causes us anger or great hurt or disgust, doesn't mean we can make it go away or silence those who cause it.

Some people here don't like the pro-life posters and want to pull them down. I say no, leave them up.

old hippy

Finnbar01 wrote: »

So you've decided to be some sort of censor and only allow those facts and choices to enter peoples' heads?

Well, when some of the pro-life forums out there stop censoring pro-choice views, I may soften my extremist views on this.

vicwatson

The "pro-life" spouting lies and littering again.

old hippy

endacl wrote: »

I disagree. It should be expressed, challenged, and dismissed.

Normally I'd agree. But Joe Pro Life doesn't want to hear any other view but his or her own. They don't like being challenged.

So, after years of bashing my head off a brick wall - I'm finally contemplating direct action. A tidy towns competition, or something

endacl

old hippy wrote: »

Normally I'd agree. But Joe Pro Life doesn't want to hear any other view but his or her own. They don't like being challenged.

So, after years of bashing my head off a brick wall - I'm finally contemplating direct action. A tidy towns competition, or something

Agreed. I'm kinda done trying to speak rationally to nutters. I'll do a poster a day. We all have to do our little bit.

albert kidd

be more in people's line to take "direct action" against the animals in the dail who have ripped the pee out of us for so long.

0rt

Too long have Youth Defence gotten away with their lies, manipulation and deplorable behaviour.
My daughter dosent need to see an aborted foetus on some stall in the middle of town when they are about.

Finnbar01

old hippy wrote: »

Well, when some of the pro-life forums out there stop censoring pro-choice views, I may soften my extremist views on this.

Pro-life forums can do all the censorship they want, just like you can set up you own pro-choice forum and censor any pro-life comments that you don't like.

endacl

0rt wrote: »

Too long have Youth Defence gotten away with their lies, manipulation and deplorable behaviour.
My daughter dosent need to see an aborted foetus on some stall in the middle of town when they are about.

Not just your daughter. I don't need to see it.

Of course it looks unpleasant. It's a medical procedure. Nobody objects to appendectomies for example. I'm equally sure nobody would be too keen on seeing pictures of an excised appendix all over town.

To say nothing of the provenance and accuracy of the pictures youth (no) defence are wont to use...

Am Chile

As I posted last night- they have one of their posters opposite john halliagans house.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=85269061&postcount=122

O Riain

endacl wrote: »

Not just your daughter. I don't need to see it.

Of course it looks unpleasant. It's a medical procedure. Nobody objects to appendectomies for example. I'm equally sure nobody would be too keen on seeing pictures of an excised appendix all over town.

To say nothing of the provenance and accuracy of the pictures youth (no) defence are wont to use...

Not really sure how you can compare a foetus to an appendix...

endacl

O Riain wrote: »

Not really sure how you can compare a foetus to an appendix...

I didn't. The posters are used because the images are unpleasant. Any picture of the immediate results of a medical procedure will tend to be unpleasant. I offered the appendix as a facetious 'for example'.

0rt

Well, im pissed off about these people putting posters around town, subjecting me to it and my 4 year old daughter looking at the poster fearful.

Abortion is a choice in my eyes.
Cant get it here? if you can afford it your more likely to go abroad.

I wouldnt go targeting companys that are paid to put up posters.. at least they are still in employment.

But i do think that these posters / leaflets / youtube ads / stalls etc should be toned down.. i mean, your not even allowed advertise alcohol or cigarettes in this day and age..

I would very much like for them to be taken down.

endacl

So take one down. That'd be three per day based on this thread alone!

0rt

http://www.thejournal.ie/admobile-company-drops-youth-defence-after-rape-crisis-incident-969637-Jun2013/?utm_source=shortlink

"AN ADVERTISING COMPANY has discontinued their contract with Youth Defence after an anti-abortion billboard was seen parked opposite the Dublin Rape Crisis centre."

Duggys Housemate

old hippy wrote: »

Well, when some of the pro-life forums out there stop censoring pro-choice views, I may soften my extremist views on this.

I bet the reverse also happens. The internet is not public property.

As for these flyers, I grew up with leftist nonsense from bug eyed Marxists largely dominating the placard and billboard market. I would agree to ban them all except in designated areas, and maybe elections. But thats it.

Potential-Monke

It also goes on to say that it was a error by the driver in his contractual agreement to prove he drove the route they paid for, and didn't realise where he had parked (i'd imagine, but don't know, that the centre is discreet). Can someone say how long the truck was parked there for?

Anyway, i'm against these campaigners, because all too often they shun the law and display images which are contrary to law (specifically, the display of offensive material). Add to that the aggressive campaigning (read: harassing) and they will win no votes.

0rt

it was either an error on the drivers part.. or it was a smart move on a pro choicer's part
Look at the backlash!

wellboytoo

Blah blah blah up to my tits with this and all the other so called abortion debates, which is an oxymoron in itself, it is not possible to have a reasoned discussion on this subject , here or anywhere else in the world cos the wingnuts jump in and it ends up a screaming match.
Enough already .

seanaway

Beware becoming the thought police. As the man said: I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

Pro-life or not, EVERYONE has a right to speak, protest, and demonstrate. If you don't like the posters, make some of your own. The day people start tearing down free speech, we're all in trouble.

endacl

Tearing down propaganda is a fairly clear statement too....?

Dan133269

intellectual dosser wrote: »

I'd urge caution, they've threatened to kill people over this.

"They" have already killed numerous people over abortion!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#Murders