The George and The Dragon (refused entry)

fizzlefozzle

Hi,

I am at a strange time in my life where I wish to explore my sexuality, and in my late twenties. I feel I repressed a lot of my sexuality and kept it hidden most of my life.

The only place I feel relief and exploration for my sexuality is the two nightclubs in Dublin, The George and The Dragon.

Unfortunately, I am banned from both places, and not allowed in any more. I believe I went into a drinking frenzy and exploring homosexuality the last week or so, and I do feel that I am being judged harshly.

Firstly, in the George on weekdays, I have been refused entry, because I am alone and look straight. The ginger bald guy has a thing for me, because he felt I was not gay the first time I went in, then refused me. The other darker skinned smaller guy also has it in for me now.

I tried to explain my situation, but they keep refusing me entry. I tried a couple of nights, and I just get turned away. I tried apologising, I tried begging, pleading, etc. They give me unrealistic expectations on when I can return. Like one of them said get a coffee and in half an hour you can come back. I did that and then they refused me. They gave me these tasks to do for a while, and I still could not get in. I feel bullied by these people, because it is the only gay place in town where I can explore my sexuality, which I need to do, because I repressed it most my life. I have a lot of time on my hands too, so it is frustrating.

I just wanted to write on here, and wondered was anyone else getting refused entry or being bullied by the bouncers to The George?

Also, I was refused entry to the Dragon one night.

I would not mind but I was not even drinking.

Is there something wrong with me?

Dublin is a small place, and I do feel slightly hurt that I can no longer access the main gay outlets in Dublin, and it does make me feel really upset too.

Theres a lot going on in my life, and I need some understanding non-judgemental people, and figure out what being gay means and other things arising.

Just really really upset and hurt. Feel like the community let me down after a week of exploring my sexuality.

What do I do?

Thanks.

Have you tried formally writing to the management?

Or finding out what security company supplies the bouncers and contacting them?

Or going in earlier before bouncer time and talking with the staff inside?

I pass there a lot during earlier times when it is open - there does not seem to be bouncers earlier in the day so you could easily go in and talk to whatever staff is there.

Rachiee

I know you say you werent drinking the night you were refused into the dragon, but you could of been refused for any reason it sounds like you are known by the bouncers in the george to drink too much...if you are really looking to explore your sexuality getting off your face is not going to help you and it certainly wont help you make new friends. If you are getting drunk and going into the george for a shift you run the risk of alienating yourself. Have you tried ringing gay switchboard it sounds like you are going through a hard time theyll be able to listen and advise on where to go.

ewan whose army

Wow I must look pretty gay then, I have never been refused entry for looking "straight" .

Anyway I never knew Gay bars disallowed heterosexuals

azezil

I've been questioned going into the G if I knew it is a gay bar but never refused. Other times they just try to engage people in conversation to determine how drunk you are.

OP, you could try the Front Lounge on Parliament Street or Panti Bar over on Capel Street, they're more fun on week nights anyway.

fizzlefozzle

maybe i need a gay friend to dress me and make me look gay.

the thing is i cant get into the george or dragon to make any, so its a catch 22 situation.

normally i wear a hoody and combats and a t-shirt

what do gay people generally wear, that makes them stand out and say 'gay'.

like maybe a gay looking belt or something ?

would you get refused for looking straight?

Iano_128

fizzlefozzle wrote: »

maybe i need a gay friend to dress me and make me look gay.

the thing is i cant get into the george or dragon to make any, so its a catch 22 situation.

normally i wear a hoody and combats and a t-shirt

what do gay people generally wear, that makes them stand out and say 'gay'.

like maybe a gay looking belt or something ?

would you get refused for looking straight?

Is this post for real? A gay looking belt? People have just said you don't get refused for being straight dude..

wildlifeboy

wear a tight top a bit of make up and say "HELLLLOOOO DAWLINGS" when you walk up!

fizzlefozzle

Ok, so you dont get refused entry for looking straight.

maybe i will try again tonight.

maybe i just need someone to hold my hand and go in with.

maybe i am getting refused entry because i am single and alone and just have a 'look' that says i am up to no good or just a gaze that kind of looks like i am drunk but not.

bouncers are obviously picking on me for somethin.

28064212

99% of bouncers hate turning people away. It just makes their job way harder

fizzlefozzle wrote: »

I believe I went into a drinking frenzy and exploring homosexuality the last week or so

This bit jumps out straight away. What do you mean by a drinking frenzy? Did you cause trouble in the bar while in this frenzy?

oisindoyle

Dress gay?gay belt? Very odd post.

fizzlefozzle

28064212 wrote: »

99% of bouncers hate turning people away. It just makes their job way harder

This bit jumps out straight away. What do you mean by a drinking frenzy? Did you cause trouble in the bar while in this frenzy?

By drinking frenzy, I mean I was drinking, and kissed a lot of people. I remember waking up next morning, the first night and my bottom lip was swollen. This older gentleman, married with two kids, also made out a little bit, and he gave me a blowjob down georges alley. It was a bit weird actually.

I am still exploring actually.

bikeman1

I am straight looking and I have been going to the Dragon for years. Its been a while since I was in the George, so not sure what its like.

I have never been refused to either. I usually get, you know this is a gay club mate? I say excellent, I've come to the right place.

Wearing gay clothes? I usually wear jeans, shirt and shoes or black runners. Anyone who wears a huddy, does not usually get into a club in my experience of any club, gay or straight.

I would stop being so persistent going up everyday. Leave it a couple of weeks and head in early before the bouncers and take it easy on the drink.

It will take time to find who you are and there is no rush.

bodice ripper

Iano_128 wrote: »

Is this post for real? A gay looking belt? People have just said you don't get refused for being straight dude..

I have been turned away for being straight.

fizzlefozzle

bodice ripper wrote: »

I have been turned away for being straight.

I went yesterday and the short darker bouncer basically indicated that i was there yrsterday and being rude.

That was untrue, i was not there the day begorr and he would not listen.

Kind of feel excluded, kids are let in but i am not.

Maybe i need like contact lenses and a new gay clothes.

Still thinking the gay belt is good idea. I don't like jeans.

Davyhal

Me and two friends (Me being gay, my two friends - a guy and a girl - being straight) of mine were turned away from the George before as we were told that it was full house. We were heading there for a birthday party so I rang one of my friends at the birthday to apologise to the birthday boy on our behalf as we were going to miss the rest of the night due to the club being full. My friend informed me that the place was not full, in fact, it was practically empty. My friend came out to the door where we were still talking to the bouncer and asked the bouncer why we weren't being let in. After much questioning, we were eventually informed that as it was Saturday night, they were only letting gay people in, as they were expecting a full house later in the night and they didnt want straight people taking up the capacity. I found this outrageous and informed the bouncer that I was gay. He said "Nice Try", even though it is the truth. My 2 friends gave up and went away and after about half an hour I was eventually let in. Ruined my night I must say. When I told the other bouncer about it, he said "not my place to question my colleague's decision"

floggg

fizzlefozzle wrote: »

By drinking frenzy, I mean I was drinking, and kissed a lot of people. I remember waking up next morning, the first night and my bottom lip was swollen. This older gentleman, married with two kids, also made out a little bit, and he gave me a blowjob down georges alley. It was a bit weird actually.

I am still exploring actually.

Do you remember why your lip was swollen? Or did you black out from drink?

OP, I don't like saying this, but it sounds like your a bit of amess right now.

I would imagine that the reasons you're having trouble with bouncers is because your drunk. "Go for a coffee" is a very typical response from a bouncer faced with somebody they think to be drunk. In fairness, it's them trying to give you a chance to sober yourself up a bit and try later, rather than flat out refusing.

I get that this is new to you, but you seem kinda innocent or naive about all things gay.

Apart from the gay clothes thing or whatever, and wondering how you act gay, I hope you realise there is more to being gay or exploring your sexuality than just getting drunk in a gay bar and scoring lots of randomers.

Not that I have anything against that, but it seems that you are going a bit wild and will end up doing things you will regret. Just getting drunk and scoring any guy who looks at you is a recipe for disaster if you don't know really know how to handle yourself or situations.

I hope you're being safe and sensible with protection and so forth.

Sorry, I don't mean to be preachy, but from your posts I just get the feeling that you are being a bit self-destructive at the moment.

ewan whose army

What do you mean by "acting gay", you seem to be wanting to confirm to negative stereotypes I think that we are all promiscuous, dress strangely (Last time I was at The George aka Jurassic? I was in Jeans and a t-shirt with converse like any normal 20 something guy) I didn't look "gay"

Just go in for a pint and just well act like you would anywhere. I don't try to do anything special if I am at the George, Dragon, FL etc. I just chill out if someone wants to speak to me (or more) then they can speak to me

fizzlefozzle

Maybe they had a reason to reject me. Anyway, I went to hotel with this hot fifty year old and we fooled around all night with hugs and cuddles. That was nice.

I am in a bit of a bad place in life abd need some love. I don't see a problem being drunk. Its Ireland!!

I guess i just want some kind of connection with others coz i am not working at the moment and need gay people to look after me.

I tried hugging the bald bouncer but he didn't like that. Trying to be friendly and cooperatuve but i prob come across silly.

Maybe they will let me sometime.

I like the strategy of being ther begore the bouncers arive. i might try that.

Iano_128

You need gay people to look after you? Why gay people? What's wrong with straight people? Why can't people just be people?

OldNotWIse

fizzlefozzle wrote: »

maybe i need a gay friend to dress me and make me look gay.

the thing is i cant get into the george or dragon to make any, so its a catch 22 situation.

normally i wear a hoody and combats and a t-shirt

what do gay people generally wear, that makes them stand out and say 'gay'.

like maybe a gay looking belt or something ?

would you get refused for looking straight?

I can't decide if this post is taking the proverbial... Seriously? What do gay people wear???

Iano_128

OldNotWIse wrote: »

I can't decide if this post is taking the proverbial... Seriously? What do gay people wear???

Between that post, and the one he's just done, I'm finding it harder and harder to believe he's not taking the pi$$

OldNotWIse

Iano_128 wrote: »

Between that post, and the one he's just done, I'm finding it harder and harder to believe he's not taking the pi$$

I Hope he is. If he came near me or my friends on a night out looking to score explore his sexuality I'd whip 'im (with my gay belt) lol

Iano_128

OldNotWIse wrote: »

I Hope he is. If he came near me or my friends on a night out looking to score explore his sexuality I'd whip 'im (with my gay belt) lol

Just choked on my cup of coffee there! haha

Annasopra

fizzlefozzle wrote: »

maybe i need a gay friend to dress me and make me look gay.

the thing is i cant get into the george or dragon to make any, so its a catch 22 situation.

normally i wear a hoody and combats and a t-shirt

what do gay people generally wear, that makes them stand out and say 'gay'.

like maybe a gay looking belt or something ?

would you get refused for looking straight?

fizzlefozzle wrote: »

Ok, so you dont get refused entry for looking straight.

maybe i will try again tonight.

maybe i just need someone to hold my hand and go in with.

maybe i am getting refused entry because i am single and alone and just have a 'look' that says i am up to no good or just a gaze that kind of looks like i am drunk but not.

bouncers are obviously picking on me for somethin.

fizzlefozzle wrote: »

By drinking frenzy, I mean I was drinking, and kissed a lot of people. I remember waking up next morning, the first night and my bottom lip was swollen. This older gentleman, married with two kids, also made out a little bit, and he gave me a blowjob down georges alley. It was a bit weird actually.

I am still exploring actually.

Maybe they had a reason to reject me. Anyway, I went to hotel with this hot fifty year old and we fooled around all night with hugs and cuddles. That was nice.

I am in a bit of a bad place in life abd need some love. I don't see a problem being drunk. Its Ireland!!

I guess i just want some kind of connection with others coz i am not working at the moment and need gay people to look after me.

I tried hughibg the bald bouncer but he didn't like that. Trying to be friendly anf cooperatuve but i prob come across silly.

Maybe they will let me sometime.

I like the strategy of being ther begore the bouncers arive. i might try that.

OP

From your descriptions I think that the George or dragon may have refused you because you were drunk.

I think you need to calm down. Going back night after night is not a good way to resolve the situation and isnt a good idea. Attempting to hug the bouncer isn't a good idea. The bouncers will permanently bar you if they are constantly seeing you either drunk or pleading constantly. Honestly if you continue doing what you are doing I can see pubs pemanently barring you.

I would suggest one or all of the following;

Look for alternatives to alcohol in terms of lgbt socialising - e.g. sports clubs, music groups, film clubs, pride events, drop in in outhouse

Ring the gay switchboard to talk through your issues

Annasopra

OldNotWIse wrote: »

I can't decide if this post is taking the proverbial... Seriously? What do gay people wear???

Iano_128 wrote: »

Between that post, and the one he's just done, I'm finding it harder and harder to believe he's not taking the pi$$

Hi guys - please report posts if you have any concerns. Moderators are not always online to read through every single thread.

fizzlefozzle

I am not taking piss i swear. Started exploring being gay a week and a bit ago. I even went to that gay sauna thing where you get a towel and lub and condom, but was just really weird.

Like a gay brothel or sometjing on crane street.

Anyway, they should do a test. Someone who's gay, gay me up with gay gear and clothed.

If i get in, then we proved bouncers are discriminating against gay people who look straight!!!

ewan whose army

fizzlefozzle wrote: »

I am not taking piss i swear. Started exploring being gay a week and a bit ago. I even went to that gay sauna thing where you get a towel and lub and condom, but was just really weird.

Like a gay brothel or sometjing on crane street.

Anyway, they should do a test. Someone who's gay, gay me up with gay gear and clothed.

If i get in, then we proved bouncers are discriminating against gay people who look straight!!!

LOL! Go in drag

Annasopra

fizzlefozzle wrote: »

I am not taking piss i swear. Started exploring being gay a week and a bit ago. I even went to that gay sauna thing where you get a towel and lub and condom, but was just really weird.

Like a gay brothel or sometjing on crane street.

Anyway, they should do a test. Someone who's gay, gay me up with gay gear and clothed.

If i get in, then we proved bouncers are discriminating against gay people who look straight!!!

Quit the trolling