Movies games and videos

IM0

anyone remember that show? anyway...

DESENSITATION to violence thats what they do really isnt it. I remember playing a sniper game sometime back, and when you shot someone in the head from a long range the camera would actually follow the bullet from the gun all the way to the exploding head on the other end, it was actually a shock first time I saw it happen, but then it became fun to try and get that shot again [mostly for that follow the bullet camera which didnt usually happen], so something which was starting out became :cool: and really had me trying to get those cool shots :pac:

and I could actually see myself being a sniper even :eek:
there is no two ways about it, seeing violence desensitises our minds to violence we see later. its all fun and games............till someone 'actually' gets hurt. I mean why would you want to see someone get murdered grusemely on screen in a film it makes zero sense . its fupduck when you think about it! could never understand horror movies, and peoples desire to see people cut to pieces in them. they are 100000 times more dangerous to society than porn ever will be too I think

Frosty McSnowballs

Stop being so much fun.

El Guapo!

It's fun to shoot people in a video game. Or to watch a film with violence.
Doesn't mean I'm actually gonna go out and do my own version of the human centipede.

IM0

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Im an evil messed up phychopath let me have my fun

fixed :pac:

KeithM89

IM0 wrote: »

DESENSITATION to violence thats what they do really isnt it. I remember playing a sniper game sometime back, and when you shot someone in the head from a long range the camera would actually follow the bullet from the gun all the way to the exploding head on the other end, it was actually a shock first time I saw it happen, but then it became fun to try and get that shot again [mostly for that follow the bullet camera which didnt usually happen], so something which was starting out became :cool: and really had me trying to get those cool shots :pac:

Sniper elite? Quality game.

But yeah, i didnt even bat an eyelid when they showed that guy falling off the tightrope on sunday, iv seen too many videos of deaths to be shocked by it anymore.

Augmerson

I might say that videogame, films and tv will desensitize you to violence IN videogames, films and tv (news too) but it won't desensitize you to real world violence. If it did, you'd have hundreds of shootings everyday. Pulling a trigger in Half-Life is different to pulling a trigger on a person. The kind of people who do go on rampages are not well in the first place. Before videogames they did bad things if they hadn't gotten professional help, like the guy who shot Lennon or the man who committed the Bath massacre.

Does anyone think that the Catcher in the Rye should be banned? It was a possible 'motivator or influence' for Chapman. Tbh, I don't even think the media blames shootings on videogames anymore because its very obvious it isn't the massive influence people like Jack Thompson thought it was.

The Backwards Man

People's bloodlust for gore goes a lot further back than Movies, Games and Videos. To the dawn of time, in fact.

IM0

El Guapo! wrote: »

It's fun to shoot people in a video game. Or to watch a film with violence.
Doesn't mean I'm actually gonna go out and do my own version of the human centipede.

true but the problem is it gives people ideas no?

Micky Dolenz

Yeah, cos there was never violent or sick fcuks before tv was invented.

IM0

The Backwards Man wrote: »

People's bloodlust for gore goes a lot further back than Movies, Games and Videos. To the dawn of time, in fact.

true, but thats not how we live now. we society decided that killing each other wasnt allowed anymore

Micky Dolenz

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Yeah, cos there was never violent or sick fcuks before tv was invented.

How old are you Micky?

Micky Dolenz

Deleted User wrote: »

How old are you Micky?

22 and 3 quarters.

IM0

Scylla wrote: »

Sniper elite? Quality game.

But yeah, i didnt even bat an eyelid when they showed that guy falling off the tightrope on sunday, iv seen too many videos of deaths to be shocked by it anymore.

bingo!, couldt remember the name, class game.

and news is full of death, I find myself going. did they yeah? meh....

Frosty McSnowballs

I used to watch Bosco years ago. Not once have I wanted to stick my hand up a ginger midgets ass until its cheeks turned red.

Or do crazy drugs that made every door magically bring me to the zoo or a creamery.

Femme_Fatale

They won't make people go out and carry out violent acts, but people are definitely able to stomach far more sadistic stuff than in the past. The Exorcist is tame now, and had people traumatised. The 1950s Dracula and the like just looks silly now, like The Count from Sesame Street - yet people were terrified by it at the time.

wendell borton

Playing lots of Civilization has turned me into a war mongering despot.

El Guapo!

IM0 wrote: »

true but the problem is it gives people ideas no?

No.
If someone is gonna go out and kill people then that's what they'll do regardless. People don't need films to give them ideas.

Frosty McSnowballs

IM0 wrote: »

true but the problem is it gives people ideas no?

Yeah but if ya think about it.........it's people that have the idea to put it into the film in the first place.

Thwip!

Playing Angry Birds made me kill pigs

IM0

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Yeah but if ya think about it.........it's people that have the idea to put it into the film in the first place.

exactly

Frosty McSnowballs

IM0 wrote: »

exactly

Excellent

Ruu

Great show, had a cheats segment as well. WCW on afterwards, brilliant!

El Guapo!

IM0 wrote: »

exactly

You never made the debate team in school, did you?

IM0

El Guapo! wrote: »

You never made the debate team in school, did you?

no debating was for nerds

El Guapo!

IM0 wrote: »

no debating was for nerds

Can't argue with that!

IM0

El Guapo! wrote: »

Can't argue with that!

touche!

Frosty McSnowballs

IM0 wrote: »

touche!

French is for nerds

IM0

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

French is for nerds

IM0

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

French is for nerds

ah you missed the english irony lesson didnt you

Frosty McSnowballs

IM0 wrote: »

ah you missed the english irony lesson didnt you

No, it was delicious.

kowloon

I remember there being an episode of Bullsh!t about violent games. They got a young lad who played a lot of Call of Duty and the likes and gave him a shot with a real gun. He wasn't too happy about it. The real thing is very different and the noise and recoil can put people off long before they start their career of murder.

Nodin

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

They won't make people go out and carry out violent acts, but people are definitely able to stomach far more sadistic stuff than in the past. The Exorcist is tame now, and had people traumatised. The 1950s Dracula and the like just looks silly now, like The Count from Sesame Street - yet people were terrified by it at the time.

.....yet society is less violent.

mikemac1

Come on OP, they were saying all this about a fighting game called Mortal Kombat 20 years ago

I feel old

CruelCoin

IM0 wrote: »

I remember playing a sniper game sometime back, and when you shot someone in the head from a long range the camera would actually follow the bullet from the gun all the way to the exploding head on the other end,

Sniper Elite. Not sure if you mean 1 or 2.
Both were terrible, terrible games.
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/sniper-elite-v2

IM0 wrote: »

100000 times more dangerous to society than porn ever will be too I think

Only 100000 times? Why not 1000000 times?

CruelCoin

kowloon wrote: »

I remember there being an episode of Bullsh!t about violent games. They got a young lad who played a lot of Call of Duty and the likes and gave him a shot with a real gun. He wasn't too happy about it. The real thing is very different and the noise and recoil can put people off long before they start their career of murder.

Ever fired a Moisin nagant? (soviet ww2 infantry rifle)
The sheer noise of the thing on firing is incredible. Games represent shooting as "pop-pop-pop", whereas in real life these are "BLAM BLAM BLAM" and your shoulder goes dead.

kowloon

CruelCoin wrote: »

Ever fired a Moisin nagant? (soviet ww2 infantry rifle)
The sheer noise of the thing on firing is incredible. Games represent shooting as "pop-pop-pop", whereas in real life these are "BLAM BLAM BLAM" and your shoulder goes dead.

The buttplate on those things is designed to punish the user. No padding on the majority of firearms back then, and the ones that did have it all seem to be made of rubber masquerading as granite. It's also worth bearing in mind that the user would likely have been an undernourished Soviet conscript that weighed less than the average teenager does today.

--Kaiser--

The Backwards Man wrote: »

People's bloodlust for gore goes a lot further back than Movies, Games and Videos. To the dawn of time, in fact.

It makes no difference what men think of war. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be. That way and not some other way.

--Kaiser--

Anyone who think that violent media makes people violent is an idiot

mikom

IM0 wrote: »

true but the problem is it gives people ideas no?

Jaysus, ideas......
Heaven forbid we might get a few sparks going in the ould grey matter there.

Anyone who makes claims like this violence shite or even the harmful addiction shite is either trolling or an idiot.
They were trolls and idiots back then, and they are trolls and idiots now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTzyz2TgGls

SEPT 23 1989

You are forgetting about Gangsta Rap

that was blamed for everything 25 years ago

CruelCoin

kowloon wrote: »

The buttplate on those things is designed to punish the user. No padding on the majority of firearms back then, and the ones that did have it all seem to be made of rubber masquerading as granite. It's also worth bearing in mind that the user would likely have been an undernourished Soviet conscript that weighed less than the average teenager does today.

I've fired a steyr AUG, a m16a4, moisin nagant, kar98, garand, AK47, AK74, Durogonov, some US bolt action sniper, some Israeli bullpup submachinegun, pistols etc.

Not one of them was accurately represented in any of the (dozens) of war-games i've played.

The idea that you can observe gun handling in a game and then go on to do it in real life is absurd.

the purple tin

mikemac1 wrote: »

Come on OP, they were saying all this about a fighting game called Mortal Kombat 20 years ago

I feel old

That game was a pile of **** too. If it wasn't for the violent finishers and the negative press nobody would have bought it.

Corkfeen

IM0 wrote: »

anyone remember that show? anyway...

DESENSITATION to violence thats what they do really isnt it. I remember playing a sniper game sometime back, and when you shot someone in the head from a long range the camera would actually follow the bullet from the gun all the way to the exploding head on the other end, it was actually a shock first time I saw it happen, but then it became fun to try and get that shot again [mostly for that follow the bullet camera which didnt usually happen], so something which was starting out became :cool: and really had me trying to get those cool shots :pac:

and I could actually see myself being a sniper even :eek:
there is no two ways about it, seeing violence desensitises our minds to violence we see later. its all fun and games............till someone 'actually' gets hurt. I mean why would you want to see someone get murdered grusemely on screen in a film it makes zero sense . its fupduck when you think about it! could never understand horror movies, and peoples desire to see people cut to pieces in them. they are 100000 times more dangerous to society than porn ever will be too I think

It makes absolute sense, our brains like the adrenaline and the sense of fear, suspense or disgust that one can get from a film or game. It's stimulating but that doesn't mean that we're going to react in the same way to real world violence. Many people also enjoy watching melodramas however they don't like to really be emotionally sad, they might like the impulse however it being drawn out by a real world event, not so much.

I enjoy playing videogames and watching films. I have no issues with excessive violence in them and have seen some films that would be liable to make a person puke such as Martyrs. However my real life reaction to violence or gore is that of disgust and I find many of the things that happen in this world to be abhorrent. I've been known to have panic attacks as a result of violent acts perpetrated against people.

According to the logic that we get desensitised by film or games seems to be untrue based on existing research and personal experience. People who have psychopathic tendencies, are no doubt drawn to violent films and games however they'd always find something that they could link with their inherent sense of violence so to claim that media is responsible is ironically irresponsible and making massive leaps.

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

They won't make people go out and carry out violent acts, but people are definitely able to stomach far more sadistic stuff than in the past. The Exorcist is tame now, and had people traumatised. The 1950s Dracula and the like just looks silly now, like The Count from Sesame Street - yet people were terrified by it at the time.

I can refer you to plenty of Shakespeare plays that are far more horrific in terms of violence and plot than the Exorcist. :pac: Some of the most horrific things I have found in literature make most films pale in contrast. All you need is a strong imagination to be disgusted.

Stereomaniac

Due to the passage of time, and with reference to everything that came before it, filmmakers and game developers I think nowadays have to let people see more to gain more success. If you look back at the classic horror movies of the second half of the 20th century, Alien, Jaws, The Exorcist, etc. There are very few parts where you actually see anything. The same effect is achieved nowadays through instant gratification. Look at all of the Saw sequels for example, it's just violence and blood from the get-go in these things. However, people have free will for the most part, and are not forced to mimic what they see. For me, I know that if something is wearing me out emotionally, I have a great solution: I don't watch it! I think that makes sense, does anyone agree? I like to watch horror movies, and violent things, but after a while it does just bore me or wear me out, so I change the tone of what I am viewing/listening to/playing. That usually does the trick.

Duggy747

If you think movies / games are what make a person violent or do violent things then you're ignoring all the other, bigger deep seated problems the individual has.

mikom

Stereomaniac wrote: »

Due to the passage of time, and with reference to everything that came before it, filmmakers and game developers I think nowadays have to let people see more to gain more success. If you look back at the classic horror movies of the second half of the 20th century, Alien, Jaws, The Exorcist, etc. There are very few parts where you actually see anything. The same effect is achieved nowadays through instant gratification. Look at all of the Saw sequels for example, it's just violence and blood from the get-go in these things. However, people have free will for the most part, and are not forced to mimic what they see. For me, I know that if something is wearing me out emotionally, I have a great solution: I don't watch it! I think that makes sense, does anyone agree? I like to watch horror movies, and violent things, but after a while it does just bore me or wear me out, so I change the tone of what I am viewing/listening to/playing. That usually does the trick.

Yep, it's worse today....

The colosseum.
Jousting.
Bedlam.

kowloon

Duggy747 wrote: »

If you think movies / games are what make a person violent or do violent things then you're ignoring all the other, bigger deep seated problems the individual has.

It's convenient though, and I think that's what a lot of it comes down to. Games are an easy scapegoat that people who don't play games can blame for social ills without having to make any changes to their own lives. The same goes for music, movies and so on.

I don't think they have no effect, but I trust an average and well adjusted teenager to know the difference between a game and reality. If a parent is letting their eight year old play a game that has 18 printed on the box you can't blame the game.

--Kaiser--

Corkfeen wrote: »

I can refer you to plenty of Shakespeare plays that are far more horrific in terms of violence and plot than the Exorcist. :pac: Some of the most horrific things I have found in literature make most films pale in contrast. All you need is a strong imagination to be disgusted.

Fact! Try Titus Andronicus for a start, masses of murder and rapes.
Romeo and Juliet was practically a rom com for chissakes and loads of people die in it