NHL Off-Season Trade Activity and General Talk

smackbunnybaby

Just a general thread for the off-season guys.

Noticed this regarding the Flyers and Bryzgalov :

http://flyers.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=18660

"As such, the Flyers will pay Bryzgalov approximately $1.643 million per year for the next 14 years to not play for them."

tolosenc

Canucks and Rangers officially swapped coaches.

New York - Vancouver SCF next year would be entertaining...

Rented Mule

tolosenc wrote: »

Canucks and Rangers officially swapped coaches.

New York - Vancouver SCF next year would be entertaining...

I would find no joy in listening to Tortorella press conferences for an extra two months. I'm still not sure he is going to be the right fit for Vancouver. We shall see.

tolosenc

Rented Mule wrote: »

I would find no joy in listening to Tortorella press conferences for an extra two months. I'm still not sure he is going to be the right fit for Vancouver. We shall see.

As Canucks fans, we like to buy into referee conspiracies and such. If there's any coach in the league who's going to get in on that, it's Torts.

As for the on ice stuff, I think AV's message was stale. The roster is too good not to make the second round, pretty much anyone coming in would result in a better playoff display than the last 14 games (2-12)...

Rented Mule

tolosenc wrote: »

As Canucks fans, we like to buy into referee conspiracies and such. If there's any coach in the league who's going to get in on that, it's Torts.

As for the on ice stuff, I think AV's message was stale. The roster is too good not to make the second round, pretty much anyone coming in would result in a better playoff display than the last 14 games (2-12)...

My problem with Tortorella is that I think he gets far too much credit that he deserves. He rode a hot goaltender (wearing oversized pads) to a Stanley Cup Championship in Tampa Bay. I believe that he has had far too much talent in New York in his tenure not to have had more success.

Of course, that's just my opinion.

It should be interesting to see what both teams do now that they have swapped coaches.

Izy

Letang rejected a 54 mil./ 8 year deal from the penguins holding out for an extra 500k a year. His days in the burgh are numbered now.

I would've loved the guy to stay with the pens but after this I'd trade him for a broken fridge.

Shocking from him as both Crosby and Malkin signed for way less that they could've got on open market.

Rented Mule

Izy wrote: »

Letang rejected a 54 mil./ 8 year deal from the penguins holding out for an extra 500k a year. His days in the burgh are numbered now.

I would've loved the guy to stay with the pens but after this I'd trade him for a broken fridge.

Shocking from him as both Crosby and Malkin signed for way less that they could've got on open market.

I feel sorry for the GM that offers him a contact when he hits free agency.

Rented Mule

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=426460

VANCOUVER -- Now that new coach John Tortorella has been hired, Vancouver Canucks general manager Mike Gillis can try to complete a long-delayed project in conjunction with Sunday's NHL draft -- trading goaltender Roberto Luongo.

"We're going to try and accomplish that goal," Gillis said this week. "We'll see what happens."

If other teams do not find the nine years remaining on Luongo's US$64-million contract onerous, his trade could help the Canucks acquire a veteran or some young talent in the form of prospects or draft picks. But Gillis will not be dealing from a position of strength.

Although Luongo's contract has a reasonable annual salary-cap hit of $5.3 million, clubs have to reduce their cap maximum to $64.3 million from about $70 million as part of the new collective bargaining agreement. The Canucks will also be missing a key bargaining chip if they want to move Luongo, who must agree to waive his no-trade clause.

He is not going anywhere that he doesn't want to go. Gillis is going to be very disappointed in what he gets in return (if he can even pull off the trade). Teams already have the Canucks over a barrel. They have to move him to clear up salary cap space.

Izy

Rented Mule wrote: »

I feel sorry for the GM that offers him a contact when he hits free agency.

He is gonna get traded before the draft. I hope he will.

I would take Edler & 1st round pick or even Jack Johnson & 1st round pick

But again now that he rejected that offer no GM will offer much for him...

Rented Mule

Izy wrote: »

He is gonna get traded before the draft. I hope he will.

I would take Edler & 1st round pick or even Jack Johnson & 1st round pick

But again now that he rejected that offer no GM will offer much for him...

I think you have your hopes a little high. He is a product of the system/players he plays with. With all of the buyouts we've been seeing, I'd be very surprised if he gets what Pittsburgh has offered him in the open market. I may be wrong .....but I will be surprised if I am .

1) Vancouver can't take on any more payroll (even if they are able to move Luongo) Edler is already a $5mil cap hit. They are not going to go up to a $7mil+ hit with Letang

2) Columbus is over paying for two blueliners now (with Jackson and Wisniewski). I'm not sure if it makes sense to spend even more money on the back-end with Letang.

Izy

Rented Mule wrote: »

I think you have your hopes a little high.

but there's to hoping haha

if canucks moved loungo and traded edler than signed letang they would be 2.5mil better off with the cap. but its not going to happen.

jack jonhson is the only player on the blue jackets team worth taking but i doubt they would do a deal as i'm pretty sure letang would never sign an extension with them...

the pens are not gonna get a top 4 D + pick + prospect for letang. they better of trying to get a top 6 forward +pick + prospect.

resign murray, try to get scuderi back or give 2-3 of the youngsters a chance.

i'm pretty sure dupuis, adams and cooke will all sign sensible deals, kunitz already did.

an iteresting few days ahead for penguins fans...

aaronm13

According to Darren Dreger Gillis has Schneider in play too. What a total mess he's creating. Glad he's not the Hawks GM. This won't end well for him me thinks.

As everyone know Bolland is favorite to leave Chicago, hopefully to a team in the East. Thanks for the winning goal Dave but his time is done in Chicago. Hopefully Stan can use his money to lock up Bickell. Should be an interesting 24 hours.

COYW

Flyers are offloading Danny Briere too. Word is that they are looking for Ryan Miller to replace Bryzgalov. They badly need a good goaltender.

aaronm13

COYW wrote: »

Flyers are offloading Danny Briere too. Word is that they are looking for Ryan Miller to replace Bryzgalov. They badly need a good goaltender.

I wouldn't mind taking Briere for a season with a respectable cap hit but word is he wants to stay on the East coast.

tolosenc

aaronm13 wrote: »

According to Darren Dreger Gillis has Schneider in play too. What a total mess he's creating. Glad he's not the Hawks GM. This won't end well for him me thinks.

Apparently Schneider wasn't in play at all until the Oilers offered Yakupov and their 1st (7th overall). I'd do that deal if the Oilers where in a different conference.

Luongo will go today, IMO, for a mid second round pick (PHX maybe?). As for his NTC, that's what blocked a deal last summer, but he said around the trade deadline that he would waive it for any trade.

McKinnon to go first.

Izy wrote: »

if canucks moved loungo and traded edler than signed letang they would be 2.5mil better off with the cap. but its not going to happen.

I got it: Letang + 2014 2nd round pick for Edler + Luongo.

alanmcl12

tolosenc wrote: »

Apparently Schneider wasn't in play at all until the Oilers offered Yakupov and their 1st (7th overall). I'd do that deal if the Oilers where in a different conference.

Luongo will go today, IMO, for a mid second round pick (PHX maybe?). As for his NTC, that's what blocked a deal last summer, but he said around the trade deadline that he would waive it for any trade.

McKinnon to go first.

I think Luongo will only get moved somewhere for nothing 5th round pick or lower.
Or when he is bought out

He won't be going to PHX all there ownership problems and they just about to resign Mike Smith to a 6 year about 6 mil per

Izy

Letang agreed to an 8year/58 mil. deal. 7.25/mil a year. I do not think this is a good idea for the pens...

Izy

tolosenc wrote: »

I got it: Letang + 2014 2nd round pick for Edler + Luongo.

Why on the earth would the pens take loungo when they have fleury and vokoun?

smackbunnybaby

Listening to the draft here, but don't have a stream: http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=616&id=261079&lang=en&navid=DL|NHL|home

So far it's been: http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftsearch.htm?sort=overallPick&navid=DL|NHL|home

Can't say I know any of the players!

New Jersey Devils trade 9th pick in exchange for Corey Schneider of Vancouver!!!!

alanmcl12

So Loungo stays in Van, Schneider to NJ for the 9th pick thought they would of gotten more for him

aaronm13

What a mess Gillis has made of the goalie situation. It was obvious Bobby Lou wasn't going anywhere with that contract. Will be interesting to see how this pans out

Rented Mule

Luongo stated that he would 'talk to his agent' to see what he wanted to do. The commentators on TSN said how he had 'divorced himself from the idea of being a Vancouver Canuck'.

This mess may only get worse.

alanmcl12

Such a mess in Van, Gillis will be lucky to still have a job after this.

scottmcb04

Gillis has made an awful mess, in my opnion still think luongos contract should be bought out, it would free up much needed cap space!!!

Id be shocked if gillis was still here for start of the season! And god help whoever takes over...

smackbunnybaby

alanmcl12 wrote: »

So Loungo stays in Van, Schneider to NJ for the 9th pick thought they would of gotten more for him

Yeah, having a think about it now and NJ have done well here.

Schneider covers their goalie issues, and all they gave up was a pick for a player we don't know how will perform in the NHL yet. Maybe he'll be a wunderkid...

Bo Horvat
http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectdetail.htm?dpid=82117

"He's a great competitor. He does everything you like to see. His penalty killing is very good, blocking shots. He's effective every shift and he's one of the best faceoff guys in the whole draft."

aaronm13

Gillis should be done in Van but you never know. It was priceless watching both his and Lou's faces. He could hardly contain himself while Gillis looked like a dead man walking. Buying out Louongo's contract was the obvious thing to do but he got shafted.

Rented Mule

From what I understand, Luongo has already sold his house in Vancouver. He has been told that he was going to be moved. He very well may waive his no trade and demand to be traded at this point.

tolosenc

Rented Mule wrote: »

From what I understand, Luongo has already sold his house in Vancouver. He has been told that he was going to be moved. He very well may waive his no trade and demand to be traded at this point.

House on the market, not sold. Wouldn't rule out Luongo being traded before Christmas - there are a few goalie moves to happen this summer, and someone's not going to be happy at the end of it. 2nd round and a mid-range prospect for Luongo - $1m in salary. If Joacim Eriksson can come close to the numbers he was putting up in Sweden, then we should be OK.

Gillis didn't get enough for Cory, but I'm relatively happy with how yesterday panned out. Subban in the 4th round was a steal (PK says he's better than him), as was Shinkaruk.

Nice touch by NJ at the end.

scottmcb04

Rumours that tim thomas coming back to nhl... currently under contract with islanders I think so they have rights to him...

be interesting to see if he comes back and who he ends up with!

tolosenc

scottmcb04 wrote: »

Rumours that tim thomas coming back to nhl... currently under contract with islanders I think so they have rights to him...

be interesting to see if he comes back and who he ends up with!

So that means the world isn't going to end after all? :P

tolosenc

Iginla has narrowed his destinations down to 4, reportedly: https://twitter.com/fan960walker/status/352251991185035267

He's going to have to take a major paycut to play for any of those. I'd love to see the Flames fan base reaction to Iggy as a Canuck.

COYW

Rangers acquire Falk from the Wild,

Falk trade

Someone is going bye, bye! I won't be shocked at all to see either Staal or MDZ moved! Personally, I think a fit Staal is better than MDZ. MDZ isn't up to scratch for the post season. Newbury has gone to the Flyers in exchange for Danny Syvret.

Don't know what is going on with all these D trades.

Waitsian

Leafs GM Dave Nonis is an idiot.

MrJoeSoap

Izy wrote: »

Letang agreed to an 8year/58 mil. deal. 7.25/mil a year. I do not think this is a good idea for the pens...

Dupuis also signed a four year deal on Tuesday. I'm sitting on the fence with regards the Letang deal. Great to have Malkin, Crosby and him all tied long-term, but that's a heck of a lot of cap space over the next few years in a small group of players.

But really happy to have that core for the foreseeable future.

Fiery mutant

Posted this on the wrong thread initially:

So Sequin and Peverly gone to Dallas, for Eriksson and prospects. I'm a big fan of Eriksson, very underrated and a good 2 way forward, he would be a great fit on that Bergeron line. Also a fan of Sequin, but if reports of his antics during the playoffs are true, coupled with all the partying during the regular season, then he has brought this on himself. I wish him and Peverly all the best, but I'm excited to see Eriksson come to Causeway.

This is gonna be a wild ride with free agency I think.

tolosenc

Iggy to Beantown. The new Hossa?

Fiery mutant

Meh. Ah in fairness I hope he does well, he still has some good left in him, I just wish he had gone when he was first asked instead of going to the Pens.

What I really wanted was Bobby Ryan. This guy has the potential to be the best power forward in the league, can't believe he went to Ottawa, I was gutted when I heard.

aaronm13

The Bulin wall back to Chicago. Was sorry to see Emery go but he wasn't going to get a number 1 shot there so good luck in Philly, you'll need it. Call me naive but nearly all the deals yesterday stank of guys chasing money and not going to genuine title contenders. Ryan is a fantastic player but Otawa, Horton to Columbus and Vinny to the Flyers.

tolosenc

Yeah, glad we have no cap room. Crazy figures being tossed about. That Clowe deal :O

aaronm13

It looks more and more like Bickell took and big home town discount to stay in Chicago with the dollars being thrown about. He probably would have gotten 5.5+ on the market. If Stalberg got 3 million off Nashville Bickell is worth 3 times that.

Rented Mule

tolosenc wrote: »

Iggy to Beantown. The new Hossa?

He had better end up with two rings if you throw that title at him.

Alfredsson to the Red Wings is a similar situation. Veterans wanting a chance at a ring before they retire.

Rented Mule

aaronm13 wrote: »

It looks more and more like Bickell took and big home town discount to stay in Chicago with the dollars being thrown about. He probably would have gotten 5.5+ on the market. If Stalberg got 3 million off Nashville Bickell is worth 3 times that.

The Stalberg contract is almost laughable. I'm not usre how you throw four years at a player like that. He has excellent north/south speed but he can't make it work going side to side. He disappears for games on end. He stats are heavily titled thanks to the games that he shows up against Columbus ( have a look at those numbers sometime). I just don't get it.

I think Bickell is overpaid at the number the Hawks signed him. We're 48 games out of a lockout and teams are throwing these numbers around. It's a good thing that this is a 10 year CBA, because we'd be right back where we started in a few years.

Rented Mule

aaronm13 wrote: »

The Bulin wall back to Chicago. Was sorry to see Emery go but he wasn't going to get a number 1 shot there so good luck in Philly, you'll need it. Call me naive but nearly all the deals yesterday stank of guys chasing money and not going to genuine title contenders. Ryan is a fantastic player but Otawa, Horton to Columbus and Vinny to the Flyers.

Emery is going to be the biggest bargain in hockey next season. He will beat out Mason in Philadelphia.

Glad to see Nic back in the building. He should give Antti Raanta sometime in Rockford to get used to the North American game.

tolosenc

Rented Mule wrote: »

Alfredsson to the Red Wings is a similar situation. Veterans wanting a chance at a ring before they retire.

If vets were that desperate for a championship, they'd sign at league minimum ($550k), not $5-6 million per.

Rented Mule

tolosenc wrote: »

If vets were that desperate for a championship, they'd sign at league minimum ($550k), not $5-6 million per.

Why ?

They offered him a contract and he has a chance to go deep in the playoffs (especially in the East).

tolosenc

Rented Mule wrote: »

Why ?

They offered him a contract and he has a chance to go deep in the playoffs (especially in the East).

Next year there'll be Gaborik, Vanek, Lundqvist, Sedin, Sedin, Marleau, Thornton, Iggy, Alfie, Bouwmeester, Phaneuf...

Signing at minimum allows their new team to acquire more depth. Adding all of the above for a combined 7 million cap hit? Or even 2 or three of them (Sedins + Vanek = 100 goals for <$2mil combined)? These players are already set for life, one season making "only" a half million won't kill them, but will drastically improve their chances

Rented Mule

tolosenc wrote: »

Next year there'll be Gaborik, Vanek, Lundqvist, Sedin, Sedin, Marleau, Thornton, Iggy, Alfie, Bouwmeester, Phaneuf...

Signing at minimum allows their new team to acquire more depth. Adding all of the above for a combined 7 million cap hit? Or even 2 or three of them (Sedins + Vanek = 100 goals for <$2mil combined)? These players are already set for life, one season making "only" a half million won't kill them, but will drastically improve their chances

It's a one year deal. Detroit is under the Cap and offered him the deal. Also, the NHLPA is not a big proponent of contract like that. They can affect the rates that other players can command if brought to arbitration. Even Mario Lemieux had to pay himself the league average when he came back and he owned the team.

smackbunnybaby

The Phoenix Coyotes are going nowhere!

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/9540919/icearizona-completes-purchase-phoenix-coyotes

cena

Where is everyone going to watch the hockey this year

Fiery mutant

Anywhere I can. Gamecentre, online streams, anywhere I can. I'm not a fan of Setanta and they are a last resort, if another supplier came in with a decent package and good presenters I'd probably go for it.

cena

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Anywhere I can. Gamecentre, online streams, anywhere I can. I'm not a fan of Setanta and they are a last resort, if another supplier came in with a decent package and good presenters I'd probably go for it.

Setanta is 20 a month with bbc not part of the sub. I only need hockey not into any other sport they show