New Build, 2013. advice needed.

bladesofglory

Hi There

Building a computer and have set aside a budget of 5.5k? What spec would you's rekon?

Gumbi

bladesofglory wrote: »

Hi There

Building a computer and have set aside a budget of 5.5k? What spec would you's rekon?

What will you be using it for? Do you have any other parts? Mouse/keyboard, monitor etc.? You won't need 5.5k. 2k MAX. €1500 will get you the best performing parts and nice peripherals.

bladesofglory

Gumbi wrote: »

What will you be using it for? Do you have any other parts? Mouse/keyboard, monitor etc.? You won't need 5.5k. 2k MAX. €1500 will get you the best performing parts and nice peripherals.

Hi Thanks,

I have a monitors, mouse n keyboard. I just require the actual computer, Im gonna do some gaming. thats all really.

Thanks for the help.

Gumbi

bladesofglory wrote: »

Hi Thanks,

I have a monitors, mouse n keyboard. I just require the actual computer, Im gonna do some gaming. thats all really.

Thanks for the help.

What kind of monitor(s) do you have? Resolution? Do you really want to spend that much? A thousand quid, maybe a tad more will get you what you need.

bladesofglory

Gumbi wrote: »

What kind of monitor(s) do you have? Resolution? Do you really want to spend that much? A thousand quid, maybe a tad more will get you what you need.

Hi There

I have an 42inch SAMSUNG smart TV, full 1080. I have set aside 5k maybe more if needs be to build the ultimate machine that will keep me future proof for a good while. what do you think????

Gumbi

bladesofglory wrote: »

Hi There

I have an 42inch SAMSUNG smart TV, full 1080. I have set aside 5k maybe more if needs be to build the ultimate machine that will keep me future proof for a good while. what do you think????

You probably want a smaller 1080p screen of you're going to be sitting in front of it. I don't game on large screens, I have a 21.5inch 1080p screen myself, so i cant advise in that regard. Future-proofing doesn't really exist in computing, technology moves so fast and old tech drops in price so fast. A 2k rig will be slower than a 750 euro rig that's 5 years newer

Even with a monitor at 1.5k will set you up for a while, and if you overclock your CPU you'll only need to swap out graphics cards or something in due time.

bladesofglory

Gumbi wrote: »

What kind of monitor(s) do you have? Resolution? Do you really want to spend that much? A thousand quid, maybe a tad more will get you what you need.

Gumbi wrote: »

You probably want a smaller 1080p screen of you're going to be sitting in front of it. I don't game on large screens, I have a 21.5inch 1080p screen myself, so i cant advise in that regard. Future-proofing doesn't really exist in computing, technology moves so fast and old tech drops in price so fast. A 2k rig will be slower than a 750 euro rig that's 5 years newer

Even with a monitor at 1.5k will set you up for a while, and if you overclock your CPU you'll only need to swap out graphics cards or something in due time.

I presume they wont be replacing socket 2011 for a good while yet though

Gumbi

It's already been replaced by Haswell...

bladesofglory

Gumbi wrote: »

It's already been replaced by Haswell...

Yeah but i thought that was for simply notebooks?

Gumbi

bladesofglory wrote: »

Yeah but i thought that was for simply notebooks?

No. That's not reslly how sockets work anyways.

I think you should just give us as much information as you can about what you need and let us make suggestions to best help you.

marco_polo

bladesofglory wrote: »

I presume they wont be replacing socket 2011 for a good while yet though

If you are talking about Haswell-E its well over a year away still.

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/31076/intel-s-haswell-e-to-kick-some-serious-ass-features-8-cores-ddr4-support-x99-pch-and-more/index.html

BloodBath

It's a crazy budget but fill this in and let's see what we can come up with.

1. What is your budget? [€xxx]

2. What will be the main purpose of the computer? [Gaming/Video editing/3D Modelling/HTPC/Internet] (If gaming include which games)

3. Do you need a copy of Windows? [Yes/No]

4. Can you use any parts from an old computer? [Hard drive/DVD Drive/Case/PSU/etc.] (If possible state brand and model of the parts to ensure compatibility)

5. Do you need a monitor? [Yes/No]

5a. If yes, what size do you need. [19'/20'/22'/24'/etc.]

5b. If no, what resolution is your current monitor and do you plan to upgrade in the near future? [1920x1080/1440x900/etc.] [Yes/No]

6. Do you need any of these peripherals? [Keyboard/Mouse/Wireless Card/Card Reader/Speakers/etc.]

7. Are you willing to try overclocking? [Yes/No]

8. How can you pay? [Bank Transfer/Credit Card/Laser]

9. When are you purchasing? [In x days]

10. If you need help building it, where are you based? [South Dublin City/Cork City/Kerry/etc.]

bladesofglory

BloodBath wrote: »

It's a crazy budget but fill this in and let's see what we can come up with.

1. What is your budget? [€5.5-6k]

2. What will be the main purpose of the computer? [Gaming/Internet]All types of games.

3. Do you need a copy of Windows? [No]

4. Can you use any parts from an old computer? NO

5. Do you need a monitor? [No]

5a. If yes, what size do you need. [19'/20'/22'/24'/etc.]

5b. If no, what resolution is your current monitor and do you plan to upgrade in the near future? [1920x1080/No]

6. Do you need any of these peripherals? [Keyboard/Mouse/Wireless Card/Card Reader/Speakers/etc.] NO

7. Are you willing to try overclocking? [Yes/No] Done it in the past, not required/

8. How can you pay? [not relevant.]

9. When are you purchasing? [ASAP]

10. If you need help building it, where are you based? [South Dublin City/Cork City/Kerry/etc.][Dont need help

Thanks guys in advance

beno619

Il get the ball rolling :P

Some of the water cooling experts can advise you on a custom loop a Corsair 350D also make a nice home for these parts.
There should be enough change for a nice 1440/1600p monitor and any accessorizes you like.

Item|Price
Crucial M500 960GB SATA 6Gb/s|€550.15
ASUS RAMPAGE IV FORMULA, Sockel 2011,ATX, DDR3|€301.09
Intel Core i7-3930K Retail, ohne Kühler, LGA2011|€517.03
2 x EVGA GeForce GTX 780, 3GB DDR5, PCI-Express|€1224.78
ASUS RAMPAGE IV GENE, Sockel 2011, mATX, DDR3|€280.34
Seagate Barracuda 7200 2000GB, SATA 6Gb/s|€79.79
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€2972.17

This is way overkill though as Gumbi said ..

NTMK

imo 5K is complete overkill for a strictly gaming rig.

theres no need for a socket 2011 CPU/Mobo for gaming a Ivy/Haswell i5 or i7 is more than enough

2x gtx780's are a waste on 1080p if you do go down that route buy a 1440p/1600p monitor (as beno619 said)

The best way to future proof is take half that money and put it away for a new rig in 2-3 years time

bladesofglory

NTMK wrote: »

imo 5K is complete overkill for a strictly gaming rig.

theres no need for a socket 2011 CPU/Mobo for gaming a Ivy/Haswell i5 or i7 is more than enough

2x gtx780's are a waste on 1080p if you do go down that route buy a 1440p/1600p monitor (as beno619 said)

The best way to future proof is take half that money and put it away for a new rig in 2-3 years time

Hi Guys

I really appreciate the feedback, Would you not go for the top CPU, or wud u opt for 2 better gpu for the price?

NTMK

bladesofglory wrote: »

Hi Guys

I really appreciate the feedback, Would you not go for the top CPU, or wud u opt for 2 better gpu for the price?

the top cpu wont do anything for games over a i5-3570K or an i7-3770K

Im going with a 3770k only because i use a few multi-threaded programs that arent gaming related (cad,video editing,etc). most games still dont use a quad core to its full potential

i would go for the 2 GPU's IF you're planning on getting a 2560*1440 monitor but the max i'd go is GTX780s, titans are not worth the price difference

if you're sticking to 1080p a single 780 will do perfectly.

Danger781

I've put together a build.. Can't seem to use that Hardwareversand script though for some reason

I don't know if I can actually go any higher than this if I tried..

I know you said you didn't want a monitor but using a 1080p screen with this much hardware is a complete waste of resources.. So I included a monitor @ 1440p

This was fun to build.. but a complete waste of money in my opinion :P I'm sure it can easily be optimised with a bit more time but I'm in work.. this is a starting point at least

tuxy

Eurm haswell motherboard with ivy bridge cpu in that build

Gumbi

That build is a total ripoff though. Too of the range 780s are outperforming Totans at stock, so they're not worth if at all.

If you're happy with your current monitor etc. Then 8GB of 1600mhz RAM + 780 + 3570k and good air cooler will do you fine, shouldn't set you back more than 1.2k.

Danger781

tuxy wrote: »

Eurm haswell motherboard with ivy bridge cpu in that build

Woops! I'll fix that :P

Edit: I'll fix it when I have time later today.. I'll do more research as well

bladesofglory

Danger781 wrote: »

Woops! I'll fix that :P

Edit: I'll fix it when I have time later today.. I'll do more research as well

Thanks for all the feedback guys. How long would a build costing 5k remain top fr? as in before it gets outdated?

Danger781

bladesofglory wrote: »

Thanks for all the feedback guys. How long would a build costing 5k remain top fr? as in before it gets outdated?

I doubt any build would last longer than 3 or 4 years no matter how much you spend on it. Spending this amount of money is crazy and somewhat pointless. As someone else said, spent 2000-3000 now, and 2000-3000 again in two years. Sell the old parts and you will pay for most of your new computer. Between selling the old parts and putting away half for the next build I reckon you could probably get 3 top notch builds over the next 6 years or so.

bladesofglory

Danger781 wrote: »

I doubt any build would last longer than 3 or 4 years no matter how much you spend on it. Spending this amount of money is crazy and somewhat pointless. As someone else said, spent 2000-3000 now, and 2000-3000 again in two years. That way you're guaranteed top notch power for the next 4 years.

I suppose dough a build of that spec would still perform exceptionally well even in 3 or so years?

Danger781

bladesofglory wrote: »

I suppose dough a build of that spec would still perform exceptionally well even in 3 or so years?

Hard to say really. Who's to say there won't be a breakthrough in processor speed / computing power / etc. in the next couple of years that makes everything preceding it absolutely obsolete?

NTMK

bladesofglory wrote: »

I suppose dough a build of that spec would still perform exceptionally well even in 3 or so years?

I spent 1.5K on a rig 2 years ago and its still playing most games at max settings at 1440p (crysis 3 excluded) and i'd expect it to be the same for about another year

if id spent 5k on a rig it would be in the same place as my 1.5K

after a certain point your paying 20%+ more for 5% more performance increase

bladesofglory

Danger781 wrote: »

Hard to say really. Who's to say there won't be a breakthrough in processor speed / computing power / etc. in the next couple of years that makes everything preceding it absolutely obsolete?

Wel Thats very through but in terms of computers company like Intel, Microsoft, Amd will continue-sly research and design new architecture but in reality alot of the speed differences can be minimal unless something is been benchmark etc, otherwise I believe the best thing to do is build a good machine once and keep it for some time.

Its like the mobile phone market, new ones keep coming out only with slight improvement nothing that's reinventing the wheel

bladesofglory

NTMK wrote: »

I spent 1.5K on a rig 2 years ago and its still playing most games at max settings at 1440p (crysis 3 excluded) and i'd expect it to be the same for about another year

if id spent 5k on a rig it would be in the same place as my 1.5K

after a certain point your paying 20%+ more for 5% more performance increase

Point taken, V trru

Gumbi

bladesofglory wrote: »

I suppose dough a build of that spec would still perform exceptionally well even in 3 or so years?

I've already explained to you that it's a complete ripoff. Value for money really straying dropping after 1.5k. Combine this with the fact that computing tech moves so fast and you have a situation whereby spending that amount of money on a rig is pissing money away. Plus, they hae components that are utterly useless for gaming (32gigs of expensive RAM, overpriced card, a CPU that for gaming is matche by CPUs half it's price, a motherboard for a 120ish quid can do the same job as the one piste really).

What to want is a 1.5k budget and to save the rest, and upgrade in 2 years or so.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Well if money is no option here is what I would get. Would get a Extreme mobo rather than the formula here, and enough left over for a set of Corsair SP2500 speakers. Triple monitor gaming. Might be better with 3 catleaps and another 780. Still fun to have such a big budget. You would want to be a serious enthusiast to use half the power.

Gumbi

OP is happy to use a 1080p TV as a monitor. I don't think we should be suggesting 5k builds while the OP doesn't understand that it will not last several years performance-wise when compared bang-for-buck to a rig 20% of the cost.

bladesofglory

Gumbi wrote: »

OP is happy to use a 1080p TV as a monitor. I don't think we should be suggesting 5k builds while the OP doesn't understand that it will not last several years performance-wise when compared bang-for-buck to a rig 20% of the cost.

While the OP understand new technology comes out every week, He doesn't care!!! So while IM grateful for your financial advise I have allocated a budget as mention in my previous post, So options regarding what i COULD BUY WOULD BE APPRECIATED.

PS, I will get a high res screen.

Danger781

bladesofglory wrote: »

While the OP understand new technology comes out every week, He doesn't care!!! So while IM grateful for your financial advise I have allocated a budget as mention in my previous post, So options regarding what i COULD BUY WOULD BE APPRECIATED.

PS, I will get a high res screen.

I'll put some time later into putting together a build as if it was my own money.. See what I come up with In all honesty you will get the best bang for your buck around the €3000 mark tops. I see no reason to above that unless your budget rises due to multiple monitors or something along those lines.

Few questions for you..

1. Storage - How much storage are you likely going to need? I see no reason to spend money on a 3TB hard drive if you plan on using 400GB I'm assuming you will want an SSD for your windows boot drive i.e. Just the operating system with no additional unnecessary files.

2. The case - What kind of case are you looking for? Something flashy and 'gamer' looking? Or something understated and classy?

3. Monitors - As it's been said before, not much point pouring all this money into a computer to use on 1080p screen. How would you feel about one of the 27" korean monitors from eBay? They use panels from big name manufacturers without the branding associated with them. Or would you prefer a big name brand like Samsung or Asus or the likes of them. The price difference can be quite substantial. You could probably get two korean monitors for the price of a single Samsung monitor. How do you feel about multiple monitors?

4. Is there a specific reason why you want the 2011 socket? Why not go for Haswell or AMD?

viperirl

OP, my own build is probably close to the 5K mark although I've never actually added it all up and I probably dont want to either!
In addition to the questions that Danger781 listed above are you interested in watercooling? You could easily drop a fair amount of cash in kitting out a Corsair 900D case with big radiators, dual loops, fans etc. If so, are you happy to build it all yourself?
No point doing any of this though if you're not interested in overclocking.

Are you interested in surround gaming using multiple monitors? I'd also suggest going with high res monitors. I have 3 1600p monitors myself but you'll need 2 GTX 780s to run games at high settings to get good playable framerates. Just to note that not even 2 Titans can run 7680x1600 at very high settings.

bladesofglory

Danger781 wrote: »

I'll put some time later into putting together a build as if it was my own money.. See what I come up with In all honesty you will get the best bang for your buck around the €3000 mark tops. I see no reason to above that unless your budget rises due to multiple monitors or something along those lines.

Few questions for you..

1. Storage - How much storage are you likely going to need? I see no reason to spend money on a 3TB hard drive if you plan on using 400GB I'm assuming you will want an SSD for your windows boot drive i.e. Just the operating system with no additional unnecessary files.

ANS. I would like an 1TB HDD as I store alot of movies, I was thinking of maybe a raid setup for my Operating systems.

2. The case - What kind of case are you looking for? Something flashy and 'gamer' looking? Or something understated and classy?

ANS. Would like something classy but gamer look, what about silverstone tj11??

3. Monitors - As it's been said before, not much point pouring all this money into a computer to use on 1080p screen. How would you feel about one of the 27" korean monitors from eBay? They use panels from big name manufacturers without the branding associated with them. Or would you prefer a big name brand like Samsung or Asus or the likes of them. The price difference can be quite substantial. You could probably get two korean monitors for the price of a single Samsung monitor. How do you feel about multiple monitors?

I would welcome monitors alright,. high res or whatever you guys think

4. Is there a specific reason why you want the 2011 socket? Why not go for Haswell or AMD?

NO reason just prefer to be honest.

bladesofglory

viperirl wrote: »

OP, my own build is probably close to the 5K mark although I've never actually added it all up and I probably dont want to either!
In addition to the questions that Danger781 listed above are you interested in watercooling? You could easily drop a fair amount of cash in kitting out a Corsair 900D case with big radiators, dual loops, fans etc. If so, are you happy to build it all yourself?
No point doing any of this though if you're not interested in overclocking.

Are you interested in surround gaming using multiple monitors? I'd also suggest going with high res monitors. I have 3 1600p monitors myself but you'll need 2 GTX 780s to run games at high settings to get good playable framerates. Just to note that not even 2 Titans can run 7680x1600 at very high settings.

Would welcome multiple screen, also thanks lads

Danger781

That.. answered one question.. and I'm not even sure which one

Edit: Nevermind didn't see your answers scatted in my quote :P

finlaycm

@blades Seriously, did you win the euro millions last night? Can't believe someone would be that reckless with cash otherwise!

Portlawslim

I might be wrong, but do you have a good desk and computer chair? I know it's the boring stuff but if its not right your gaming experience won't be that comfortable. A desk with 3 monitors mounted on the wall good chair, nice keyboard, nice mouse and a high spec system. That's what I'd be doing .
BTW OP congrats on winning the euro millions last night

Danger781

Portlawslim wrote: »

I might be wrong, but do you have a good desk and computer chair? I know it's the boring stuff but if its not right your gaming experience won't be that comfortable. A desk with 3 monitors mounted on the wall good chair, nice keyboard, nice mouse and a high spec system. That's what I'd be doing .
BTW OP congrats on winning the euro millions last night

I'de love a new desk..

Portlawslim

Danger781 wrote: »

I'de love a new desk..

I need a new desk as well.

Gbear

Portlawslim wrote: »

I need a new desk as well.

New desks for all!! OP's treat!:pac:

bladesofglory

Gbear wrote: »

New desks for all!! OP's treat!:pac:

haha, My winning of the Euro millions I was told I will keep my confidentiality.

So guys on a serious note, Whats ur views on it>>

Portlawslim

bladesofglory wrote: »

haha, My winning of the Euro millions I was told I will keep my confidentiality.

So guys on a serious note, Whats ur views on it>>

Are you already a PC gamer?

bladesofglory

Portlawslim wrote: »

Are you already a PC gamer?

Yep, play all the usual, Battlefield, Black-ops. Crysis e.g. But up til Now have been using a laptop. Its getting abit to slow now so need to upgrade to something nice.

NTMK

bladesofglory wrote: »

haha, My winning of the Euro millions I was told I will keep my confidentiality.

So guys on a serious note, Whats ur views on it>>

I think you should buy us all desks :pac:

if you want to drop 5k on a rig then something like fitzgeme's is probably the best rig to your budget.

I'd be more in favor of spending half that budget on a rig that will perform almost identically to it and getting some really nice screens, KB/M, Desk and chair

I can put up my spec cost later but my build wil be

i7-X770K
Maximus V/VI gene
Corsair 350D
16gb RAM
2x GTX780
840 Pro 256gb
Corsair 860i

and that shouldnt cost me more than 2K (I hope:pac:)

Gumbi

Are kidding me did you actually win euronillions are you the fella try see talking about from limerick? Or am I being an idiot

Gbear

I think your best bet would be a 1600p screen now (and a dual 780 rig to run it) and then get two more 1600p screens (or maybe even 4k or OLED, who knows) in a couple of years time when the tech can really do them justice.

Load in surround sound speakers, a keyboard, mouse, desk, chair (they don't really go obsolete).

bladesofglory

Gumbi wrote: »

Are kidding me did you actually win euronillions are you the fella try see talking about from limerick? Or am I being an idiot

Didn't win the euro-millions. I do work hard though. So decided to treat myself

NTMK

Gumbi wrote: »

Are kidding me did you actually win euronillions are you the fella try see talking about from limerick? Or am I being an idiot

If you won the euromillions would you be on a forum the next day asking about PC components or would you be ****faced buying expensive **** :pac

Gumbi

bladesofglory wrote: »

Didn't win the euro-millions. I do work hard though. So decided to treat myself

Lol. Ok.

I'd reccomend you invest in some good solid hardware but not to go overboard.

Spend the remainder on a nice sound system, monitors the works. Basically peripherals. These are more of a long term investment like.

I'm thinking a 780/highly clocked 4770k/4670k system? 4770 is honestly a waste for gaming though. A highly overclocked 4670k will last 5 years for gaming at least, and another 780 can added when the power is needed.