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Building for Gaming

  • 22-06-2013 10:10am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭


    woops only noticed the format

    1. What is your budget? 500-600 or 800-900 euro

    2. What will be the main purpose of the computer? Gaming.

    3. Do you need a copy of Windows? No

    4. Can you use any parts from an old computer? yes

    5. Do you need a monitor? no

    6. Do you need any of these peripherals? Nope

    7. Are you willing to try overclocking? Not really

    8. How can you pay? Any depending on where the parts are coming from

    9. When are you purchasing? Soon for 500-600 end of the year 800-900

    10. If you need help building it, where are you based? Limerick but I shouldnt need help.

    Read below for extra info

    Hey. Im new to all this stuff so any help is apprecaited.

    I want to build a gaming rig capable of turning out quality gaming. Types of games will include Massive strategy games. Rome 2,Company of heroes etc. It also want to be able to play big name "console" games such as Battlefield 4, Watchdogs and GTA5(should it get released for PC) etc.
    Id like to be able to play these games to a high standard. Ultra isnt essential(it would be nice but I dont have the budget) whats more important is future proofing the rig so that it will last for a couple of years.
    My original intention was to get a PS4 but I noticed my old gaming PC bought new on ebay a couple of years ago was starting to let me down in gaming so Ive decided to get kill 2 birds with one stone. Have a computer that plays the PC games Ive always loved but can also play the games that I would normally get for a console so I dont have to give up either.
    That being said Ill probably pick up a PS4 when they become dirt cheap towards the end of next year.
    This also gives you an idea of my miserable budget. Taking into account the price of the PS4 plus the extras Id be getting with it and PSN plus etc. Id estimate Id have spent about 500 euro. Add onto that what I probably would have started to use on upgrading my PC Id probably have between 550-600 euro. Not a lot I know.
    Taking my budget into consideration Ive shopped on Komplett.ie and dabs and found parts adding up to about 550ish.
    This is what Ive come up with

    I have a monitor my tv.
    I should in theory be able to use the optical and hard drives from my old PC.
    My brother has a corsair 620W PSU that I can use and my tower I dont know what it is may be the only problem. It may or may not work for this new build.

    GPU: http://www.komplett.ie/komplett/product/zkb_01com/20164124/asus_radeon_hd7870_dc2_2gd5_v2__2gb__pci_e/details.aspx
    RAM: http://www.dabs.ie/products/corsair-8gb--2x4gb--ddr3-1600mhz-cl9-vengeance-black-performance-desktop-memory-kit-79V4.html
    Motherboard: http://www.komplett.ie/komplett/product/zkb_01com/80005719/asus_p8h77_m_pro__socket_1155__micro_atx/details.aspx
    CPU: http://www.komplett.ie/komplett/product/zkb_01com/80008226/intel_core_i5_3350p__3_1ghz__socket_1155/details.aspx

    Comes to 547 before shipping. Budget is 550 so it should be ok.
    I may or may not adjust that budget but there will be a delay in getting the PC till the end of the year but the budget would be 800-900

    Can anyone help suggest a CPU,GPU,RAM and motherboard for both budgets. Any help is greatly appreciated.
    Also should I build the system or just get a PS4



    BTW!!! Still have no idea what kind of case I have but its the one in this picture. Didnt get this one off ebay but about 3 years ago I bought one off ebay with this case.
    http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Super-Fast-AMD-FX-Quad-Core-3-6Ghz-Desktop-Gaming-PC-1tb-8gb-6450-Computer-/171060935342?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopPCs&hash=item27d406baae


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,698 ✭✭✭Gumbi


    Komplett are very expensive, don't buy from them. Dabs are a bit better, but still not the best.

    550 isn't much to work with, I would definitely wait until the end of the year to when your budget is a bit better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭coolguyrko


    Gumbi wrote: »
    Komplett are very expensive, don't buy from them. Dabs are a bit better, but still not the best.

    550 isn't much to work with, I would definitely wait until the end of the year to when your budget is a bit better.
    I searched through both komplett is cheaper on every part except for the RAM which they dont even have. Ive been told its a very good build. Im very new to this tho and really dont know much. Even if I had 8-900 I wouldnt be able to put a build together for myself


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,698 ✭✭✭Gumbi


    coolguyrko wrote: »
    I searched through both komplett is cheaper on every part except for the RAM which they dont even have. Ive been told its a very good build. Im very new to this tho and really dont know much. Even if I had 8-900 I wouldnt be able to put a build together for myself
    Try Hardwareversand.de :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭coolguyrko


    Gumbi wrote: »
    Try Hardwareversand.de :)
    I was just looking at some other threads and it seems to be used a lot. I must go look at it.
    Can you help me with a CPU & motherboard.
    Im thinking along the lines of Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2x8GB) RAM
    Maybe the
    pimpicture.ashx?productnumber=20164124&maximumwidth=90&maximumheight=66&picturetypecode=highresolution
    ASUS PCI-E A HD7870-DC2-2GD5-V2
    or
    pimpicture.ashx?productnumber=20171617&maximumwidth=90&maximumheight=66&picturetypecode=highresolution
    ASUS Radeon HD7950-DC2T-3GD5-V2 - 3GB - PCI-E

    as the GP

    Maybe a high end i5 CPU or may the i7 4770

    and for the motherboard I really have no clue about them and need a lot of help haha


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,698 ✭✭✭Gumbi


    What kind development will you be doing?

    You can get a Sapphire 7870XT for 225 on HWVS, and that's a step above the 7870.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭coolguyrko


    Gumbi wrote: »
    What kind development will you be doing?

    You can get a Sapphire 7870XT for 225 on HWVS, and that's a step above the 7870.

    Development? Not sure what you mean. Primary fuction of the rig is gaming. After that probably watching movies or whatever and basic stuff for college(Studying equine science so its littleraly just typing reports)

    Dont see the xt on there.
    My idea is spend what I can now and leave some room to improve so I can add a better GPU(or a second one if needed) in the future(2 years or so from now) and maybe extra RAM if its needed.Preferably prioritising the GPU and CPU as they will be the most expensive anyway. Since my budget is 800-900 thats 200 per part roughly but Im willing to go to 300 for the the GPU and CPU.
    HD7950 is 306 and Saw the i5 4670 for 210.2X8GB RAM is 64 and I that MB above is 100. So thats 680. Or should I stay with the 7870 xt(youll have to send me a link tho) I heard its half way between the 7870 and 7950 but go for the 7950 if the xts price is similar

    But as I said Im clueless you probably have a better idea of what works well together


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    A little over budget but it would be more than enough to run any game on or near max settings. I don't see any problems with using the older parts with this. That xeon is pretty much the same as an i7 3770. 4 cores / 8 threads, just 100mhz slower and with no igp.


    Item|Price
    Intel Xeon E3-1230v2, boxed, LGA1155|€201.31
    8GB-Kit G-Skill RipJaws PC3-12800U CL9|€58.47
    Powercolor HD7950 PCS+ 3072MB GDDR5|€261.21
    ASRock ZH77 Pro3, Sockel 1155, ATX|€68.71
    Shipping|€18.99
    Total|€608.69


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭coolguyrko


    BloodBath wrote: »
    A little over budget but it would be more than enough to run any game on or near max settings. I don't see any problems with using the older parts with this. That xeon is pretty much the same as an i7 3770. 4 cores / 8 threads, just 100mhz slower and with no igp.


    Item|Price
    Intel Xeon E3-1230v2, boxed, LGA1155|€201.31
    8GB-Kit G-Skill RipJaws PC3-12800U CL9|€58.47
    Powercolor HD7950 PCS+ 3072MB GDDR5|€261.21
    ASRock ZH77 Pro3, Sockel 1155, ATX|€68.71
    Shipping|€18.99
    Total|€608.69

    That looks really good. Should be within budget. Have decided to dip into my savings and then pay it back in as I get it.

    Few questions about the build. Im fairly clueless so sorry if these sounds stupid haha.

    Saw the i5-4670 for 209 on Komplett.Is the Xeon really better?

    Nice saving on the RAM. Had seen a low profile corsair vengeance for 64 on dabs but i assume there cant be much difference.

    Someone on a different site showed me the 7870XT for 193
    http://www.hardwareversand.de/2048+MB/57152/PowerColor+PCS%2B+HD7870+Myst.+Edition+2GB+GDDR5%28UEFI+READY%29.article
    Is there really 70 quid in the difference or is the 7950 worth the extra money?

    Ill take your word for the MB. Dont know much about them.

    Should run with the 620W Corsair PSU right?

    May pick up an extra fan. Have a free space on the case so I might as well just to make sure.

    That was really helpful.

    Also what did you mean older parts? and someone I know was telling me to go for a SSD drive.Is it needed immediatley or can it wait. Currently have a 1TB SATA hard drive from the old computer. I also have a 60GB broken PS3 which I may take the hard drive out of and add to the comp or use my current 2TB external hard drive as an internal hard drive as well.

    The difference between the SDD and the current hard drives has been explained to me in technical way.Can someone break it down for me and if it has advanteges for my PC.

    1 last edit. Been asking around tomshardware.Trying to get multiple opionions to balance out the best rig for my money. His take on your suggestion

    "It's a nice idea, but I don't think it's necessary. The Xeon is basically a locked i7 without the integrated graphics. It makes great sense for someone in the i7 market that doesn't want to pay extra for the graphics and won't be overclocking. But like I said, I have an i7 and I wish I would have saved that $100 when I built it. It's processing power you won't use, so I wouldn't pay more than the 3350P. If you've got ~€600, this is a build I would personally love to have:

    i5-3350P - €165
    Asus P8H77-M PRO - €109
    Kingston 8GB DDR3-1600 CL9 - €58
    XFX 7950 - €264
    Total - €596 ( Found all these at Dabs.ie )

    The i5 will give you plenty of oomph for a few years. That mboard is fully featured compared to the stripped down model you'd use to fit the Xeon into the price. The 7950 will be plenty for games for a while too: it will max out the simpler games and be enough for high detail on most other titles."

    Your thoughts on his build?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    I'd sooner have the extra processing power. It won't make a difference at the moment but should do in future when games are using more than 4 threads. The Asrock board is not stripped down. It has all the same features and same onboard sound chip as the Asus one.

    It would also allow some overclocking if you wanted to in future.

    The cooler on powercolor card is better as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭coolguyrko


    BloodBath wrote: »
    I'd sooner have the extra processing power. It won't make a difference at the moment but should do in future when games are using more than 4 threads. The Asrock board is not stripped down. It has all the same features and same onboard sound chip as the Asus one.

    It would also allow some overclocking if you wanted to in future.

    The cooler on powercolor card is better as well.

    I see your point in getting the Xeon I do wanna future proof the rig.


    As I said I've very little understanding at the moment so I'm not entirely sure who's right haha,


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    You got pretty poor advice on Tomshardware TBH, spending €35 euro less in the CPU and nearly €50 more on the motherboard is a terrible idea, and the XFX is one of the weaker HD7950s.

    Its not even like you are just getting hyperthreading for an extra €35, the boost clock on the xeon is a full 400MHz higher than the i5-3330p.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,698 ✭✭✭Gumbi


    marco_polo wrote: »
    You got pretty poor advice on Tomshardware TBH, spending €35 euro less in the CPU and nearly €50 more on the motherboard is a terrible idea.

    THW is actually terrible. Motherboard "experts" overclocking "masters" etc etc. I saw one such "master" telling someone that 70+ degrees on Ivy is dangerous -_-


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭coolguyrko


    marco_polo wrote: »
    You got pretty poor advice on Tomshardware TBH, spending €35 euro less in the CPU and nearly €50 more on the motherboard is a terrible idea, and the XFX is one of the weaker HD7950s.

    Its not even like you are just getting hyperthreading for an extra €35, the boost clock on the xeon is a full 400MHz higher than the i5-3330p.
    Gumbi wrote: »
    THW is actually terrible. Motherboard "experts" overclocking "masters" etc etc. I saw one such "master" telling someone that 70+ degrees on Ivy is dangerous -_-

    Thanks for the advice guys.Really appreciated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭coolguyrko


    BloodBath wrote: »
    I'd sooner have the extra processing power. It won't make a difference at the moment but should do in future when games are using more than 4 threads. The Asrock board is not stripped down. It has all the same features and same onboard sound chip as the Asus one.

    It would also allow some overclocking if you wanted to in future.

    The cooler on powercolor card is better as well.
    marco_polo wrote: »
    You got pretty poor advice on Tomshardware TBH, spending €35 euro less in the CPU and nearly €50 more on the motherboard is a terrible idea, and the XFX is one of the weaker HD7950s.

    Its not even like you are just getting hyperthreading for an extra €35, the boost clock on the xeon is a full 400MHz higher than the i5-3330p.
    Gumbi wrote: »
    THW is actually terrible. Motherboard "experts" overclocking "masters" etc etc. I saw one such "master" telling someone that 70+ degrees on Ivy is dangerous -_-
    Im more inclined to trust the 3 of ye over him but basically his technical talk confused me haha. Ok his comments back.

    "Yeah, he's got a few things wrong there.

    First, games only just started utilizing more than two cores. They won't start using more than four cores for at least a few years. By that time you'll be looking for a new upgrade so an i5 now will last plenty long.

    Second, these are both H77 mboards so they don't support overclocking. And yes, that specific ASRock board IS stripped down compared to the Asus since it lacks the fiber optic S/PDIF jack, an eSATA port, and forward facing SATA ports. The S/PDIF may not be a big deal to you if you're not hooking the computer up to a receiver or multi-speaker system. However, I use an eSATA drive quite often, and I find forward facing SATA ports much easier to build with. The extra video ports on the Asus are admittedly useless if you don't have a CPU with on-board video like the 3350P, but you'll have a discrete GPU, so that's not a loss.

    I suspect some confusion comes from the ZH77 model name since it's not actually a Z chipset. If he means the Z77 Pro3, that changes a few things, but not much. Yes, you'll get overclocking support, but you'll still have no optical audio out, no eSATA port, and no forward facing SATA ports that theAsus model has. The ASRock H77M offers the S/PDIF audio but you have to go with an H77M Pro4 model to get the eSATA too. You can check prices between them and see which is friendlier to your wallet.

    Third, I think if you're going to overclock, do it now. A $240 CPU is not something you get just to swap it out in a year or two just to get an unlocked model. The only time I'd consider that is if I absolutely need a machine NOW but was on a really tight budget. Something like that might warrant a cheap i3 or even Pentium to use for a year and then drop in an i5 next year when you have more money. But an i5 is already a strong contender and overclocking doesn't suddenly raise it to top-tier levels.

    Finally, GPU preference is entirely personal. I've run a Vapor-X card for two years now, it stays very cool and barely goes above ~34dB. I will admit, you do pay a little extra for the Vapor name. I'll also admit I've never had a Powercolor card, so I have no first-hand experience with them. The reviews I've seen suggests Powercolor spins down their coolers for quieter cards that run hotter. That said, I've heard dozens of others recommend a Vapor-X cooler, but until now I've never heard anyone specifically recommend Powercolor"


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    Fair reasonable points for the most part now that I can see where he is coming from, however I still think he is putting far too much value (€50) on a handful of marginal premium features that are important to him, but that the majority of people won't actually use.

    Before steaming ahead and recommending a more expensive board, he could have first found out if you have any use for S/PDIF or eSATA for example.

    For budgetary reasons it may indeed make sense to drop to the i5, but not to then wipe out the savings on a motherboard that is charging a huge premium for a handful of additional features (and whatever about the rest, forward facing SATA ports is really pushing it as a reason to spend another fifty quid :P).

    As I said previously, even if games never take advantage of Hyperthreading the Xeon is still a better CPU than the i5 because it is also slightly faster.

    As socket 1155 is at the end of the line the Xeon, along with the more expensive i7-3770, is the best non overclockable processor that will ever be released for the platform. If you had indicated that you had a real interest in overclocking you would definitely have got a very different build.

    Finally not all HD7950 are the same, the interweb is full of complaints about excess heat when overclocking with the XFX DD and I could name at least a half a dozen better models including the Vapour X he mentions. A simple google would have revealed that the Powercolor PCS+ has some great reviews behind it such as this one, and is really well priced at €265.

    http://www.hardwareversand.de/3072+MB/55042/Gigabyte+Radeon+HD+7950%2C+3GB+GDDR5%2C+PCI-Express.article
    http://www.hardwareversand.de/3072+MB/55043/Powercolor+HD7950+PCS%2B+3072MB+GDDR5.article
    http://www.hardwareversand.de/3072+MB/66982/Club+3D+Radeon+HD+7950+royalKing%2C+3GB+GDDR5%2C+AMD+Radeon+HD+7950%2C+PCI-+Express.article
    http://www.hardwareversand.de/3072+MB/65384/HIS+HD+7950+IceQ+Boost+Clock+GDDR5+3072MB+DVI+HDMI+2xMiniDP.article
    http://www.hardwareversand.de/3072+MB/65391/ASUS+HD7950-DC2T-3GD5-V2%2C+AMD+Radeon+HD+7950%2C+3GB%2C+PCI-Express.article
    http://www.hardwareversand.de/3072+MB/67817/Sapphire+Vapor-X+Radeon+HD+7950+OC+Boost%2C+3GB+GDDR5%2C+Full+Retail.article


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    Games are using 4 cores now. If he wants to completely ignore the fact that both next gen consoles use 8 thread cpus and that consoles drive the majority of the games market then that's ok. While it is speculative it's reasonable to assume we will be seeing games within the next year taking advantage of more than 4 threads.

    Will you use any of those motherboard features? I know I don't and the majority don't. If you needed them you would be looking for them.

    I also wasn't saying the powercolor cooler was better than the likes of the sapphire vapor x cooler. It's one of the cheapest and the cooler is very decent. Far better than the xfx cooler. Not the best but overall but it's also €20-40 cheaper than the more expensive models.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭coolguyrko


    marco_polo wrote: »
    Fair reasonable points for the most part now that I can see where he is coming from, however I still think he is putting far too much value (€50) on a handful of marginal premium features that are important to him, but that the majority of people won't actually use.

    Before steaming ahead and recommending a more expensive board, he could have first found out if you have any use for S/PDIF or eSATA for example.

    For budgetary reasons it may indeed make sense to drop to the i5, but not to then wipe out the savings on a motherboard that is charging a huge premium for a handful of additional features (and whatever about the rest, forward facing SATA ports is really pushing it as a reason to spend another fifty quid :P).

    As I said previously, even if games never take advantage of Hyperthreading the Xeon is still a better CPU than the i5 because it is also slightly faster.

    As socket 1155 is at the end of the line the Xeon, along with the more expensive i7-3770, is the best non overclockable processor that will ever be released for the platform. If you had indicated that you had a real interest in overclocking you would definitely have got a very different build.

    Finally not all HD7950 are the same, the interweb is full of complaints about excess heat when overclocking with the XFX DD and I could name at least a half a dozen better models including the Vapour X he mentions. A simple google would have revealed that the Powercolor PCS+ has some great reviews behind it such as this one, and is really well priced at €265.

    http://www.hardwareversand.de/3072+MB/55042/Gigabyte+Radeon+HD+7950%2C+3GB+GDDR5%2C+PCI-Express.article
    http://www.hardwareversand.de/3072+MB/55043/Powercolor+HD7950+PCS%2B+3072MB+GDDR5.article
    http://www.hardwareversand.de/3072+MB/66982/Club+3D+Radeon+HD+7950+royalKing%2C+3GB+GDDR5%2C+AMD+Radeon+HD+7950%2C+PCI-+Express.article
    http://www.hardwareversand.de/3072+MB/65384/HIS+HD+7950+IceQ+Boost+Clock+GDDR5+3072MB+DVI+HDMI+2xMiniDP.article
    http://www.hardwareversand.de/3072+MB/65391/ASUS+HD7950-DC2T-3GD5-V2%2C+AMD+Radeon+HD+7950%2C+3GB%2C+PCI-Express.article
    http://www.hardwareversand.de/3072+MB/67817/Sapphire+Vapor-X+Radeon+HD+7950+OC+Boost%2C+3GB+GDDR5%2C+Full+Retail.article
    I don't think overclocking for me will ever be an option. Know very little about computers as it is and don't want to go messing around with the most expensive piece of hardware in the computer.
    As this build is mainly for large games such as the Total War series I can only assume the extra processing power will be needed. Other games will include football manager and "console" games like BF4 and watchdogs so ill need all the extra processing and graphical power I can get haha. Any suggestions welcome.€650 is the highest I can go. €600 is pushing it at the moment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭coolguyrko


    BloodBath wrote: »
    Games are using 4 cores now. If he wants to completely ignore the fact that both next gen consoles use 8 thread cpus and that consoles drive the majority of the games market then that's ok. While it is speculative it's reasonable to assume we will be saying games within the next year taking advantage of more than 4 threads.

    I also wasn't saying the powercolor cooler was better than the likes of the sapphire vapor x cooler. It's one of the cheapest and the cooler is very decent. Far better than the xfx cooler. Not the best but overall but it's also €20-40 cheaper than the more expensive models.

    Either way i always trusted your judgment. Been nothing but helpful since you first suggested the build.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    No problem. If you want to save some monies then a 3330 would be pretty much the same in games at the moment. The xeon has more potential for future gains.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭coolguyrko


    BloodBath wrote: »
    No problem. If you want to save some monies then a 3330 would be pretty much the same in games at the moment. The xeon has more potential for future gains.

    I think I'll stick with your suggestion if the Xeon. Future proofing was important to me. I wanted to down the line only have to spend a little(relatively) to upgrade the computer should I need to(for gaming).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭coolguyrko


    BloodBath wrote: »
    No problem. If you want to save some monies then a 3330 would be pretty much the same in games at the moment. The xeon has more potential for future gains.

    Hey just saw your post in the bargins section about the Sapphire HD7950 that better than the power color one? And I assume it works with the MB you've picked as well.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    coolguyrko wrote: »
    Hey just saw your post in the bargins section about the Sapphire HD7950 that better than the power color one? And I assume it works with the MB you've picked as well.

    Not much in it, their both good cards but under €250 delivered is certainly a good price for a HD7950.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭coolguyrko


    marco_polo wrote: »
    Not much in it, their both good cards but under €250 delivered is certainly a good price for a HD7950.

    I don't see where it is under €250. Only see the uk price and doing a conversion it ends up €9 dearer than the PowerColor on HWV and I thought it was a better card. Is the sapphire even a little better because if you can point me to where its under €250 it would be cheaper than the PowerColor


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    coolguyrko wrote: »
    I don't see where it is under €250. Only see the uk price and doing a conversion it ends up €9 dearer than the PowerColor on HWV and I thought it was a better card. Is the sapphire even a little better because if you can point me to where its under €250 it would be cheaper than the PowerColor

    Hmm looks like the price has changed, might as well stick with the Powercolor since you are getting eveything else there shipping costs aren't a factor anyway. If anything I'd say that is probably the slightly better card anyway imo all else being equal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭coolguyrko


    marco_polo wrote: »
    Hmm looks like the price has changed, might as well stick with the Powercolor since you are getting eveything else there shipping costs aren't a factor anyway. If anything I'd say that is probably the slightly better card anyway imo all else being equal.

    Ok. Cheers for that. Got all the other pieces in place. Just need to order the stuff from HWV now and then all will be sorted :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,692 ✭✭✭Danger781


    The 7950 is still £208 - The lowest it has ever been.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭coolguyrko


    Danger781 wrote: »
    The 7950 is still £208 - The lowest it has ever been.

    Not seeing it anywhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,692 ✭✭✭Danger781


    coolguyrko wrote: »
    Not seeing it anywhere.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00BBKO65S

    Right hand side of the screen - More buying choices

    Look for Amazon.

    £208.39 - Ordered two last night :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭coolguyrko


    Danger781 wrote: »
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00BBKO65S

    Right hand side of the screen - More buying choices

    Look for Amazon.

    £208.39 - Ordered two last night :)
    Cheers. Didn't even see that. Why are they cheaper than that one. Any difference? Saves me about €20 on my build now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,692 ✭✭✭Danger781


    coolguyrko wrote: »
    Cheers. Didn't even see that. Why are they cheaper than that one. Any difference? Saves me about €20 on my build now.

    What do you mean cheaper than that one? Than what one? :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭coolguyrko


    Danger781 wrote: »
    What do you mean cheaper than that one? Than what one? :P

    Than the original page. Says £235 but as you said in the more options its £208. Why is that? Any difference. Looks virtually the same. Used or something?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,692 ✭✭✭Danger781


    coolguyrko wrote: »
    Than the original page. Says £235 but as you said in the more options its £208. Why is that? Any difference. Looks virtually the same. Used or something?

    No no :)

    Amazon works as a Marketplace - Sellers competing with each other and offering the consumer multiple options of buying the same product at a different price.

    It's like buying a can of coke in Dunnes for €1.20 only to realise that Tesco are selling the same can of coke for 80c.

    This is the same scenario :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭coolguyrko


    Danger781 wrote: »
    No no :)

    Amazon works as a Marketplace - Sellers competing with each other and offering the consumer multiple options of buying the same product at a different price.

    It's like buying a can of coke in Dunnes for €1.20 only to realise that Tesco are selling the same can of coke for 80c.

    This is the same scenario :P
    Didn't know that haha. Cheers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭coolguyrko


    Ok I had a little trouble ordering off HWV last night but I think it's all sorted now(hopefully otherwise I'm paying for the parts twice :( haha) so ordered the CPU,RAM and MB off HWV and the GPU off amazon.

    Will send a pic if I manage to put everything together without breaking it.

    Cheers for all the help lads. Special mention to bloodbath. Must have been like talking a monkey through computer parts haha.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭coolguyrko


    Hey guys. Parts arrived. Everything put in powered up. Everything running smoothly. Everything has a light(that should) but I'm not getting a video signal. Tried both VGA and HDMI just to make sure and neither are working. Any ideas?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,698 ✭✭✭Gumbi


    coolguyrko wrote: »
    Hey guys. Parts arrived. Everything put in powered up. Everything running smoothly. Everything has a light(that should) but I'm not getting a video signal. Tried both VGA and HDMI just to make sure and neither are working. Any ideas?
    Have you installed the graphics card?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭coolguyrko


    Gumbi wrote: »
    Have you installed the graphics card?

    Yes everything is connected and ready. Everything has power and is running fine. I'm just not getting a video signal. Tried VGA and HDMI on both the MB and GPU just to make sure. Still nothing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,698 ✭✭✭Gumbi


    coolguyrko wrote: »
    Yes everything is connected and ready. Everything has power and is running fine. I'm just not getting a video signal. Tried VGA and HDMI on both the MB and GPU just to make sure. Still nothing.
    How many connections has your card got? If it has 2, make sure both are connected.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭coolguyrko


    Gumbi wrote: »
    How many connections has your card got? If it has 2, make sure both are connected.

    For the power supply? Yes both are connected


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭game4it70


    Check the ram is fully seated and in the right slots.

    Just use one stick of ram and test it in each slot.
    Try this with each stick.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭coolguyrko


    game4it70 wrote: »
    Check the ram is fully seated and in the right slots.

    Just use one stick of ram and test it in each slot.
    Try this with each stick.

    99% sure they are in the right place. Double checked with the manual as well before putting them in


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭game4it70


    Try the single stick then in case one is faulty.

    Is the monitor new and if so have you anything to test it with?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭coolguyrko


    game4it70 wrote: »
    Try the single stick then in case one is faulty.

    Is the monitor new and if so have you anything to test it with?

    It's my tv screen. Worked with my last computer. Everything has power.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭game4it70


    Silly question time :D
    You have the 8pin power connected too?

    Any mobo beep codes or a mobo debug display?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭coolguyrko


    game4it70 wrote: »
    Silly question time :D
    You have the 8pin power connected too?

    Any mobo beep codes or a mobo debug display?

    My brother did most of the assembly so he'd know more about it. I'm fairly sure we had the 8pin power connected . No speaker attached so I didn't hear a beep. No display at all. Just came up on the tv saying no video signal when I switched to the channel I had it set to


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭game4it70


    Did you try one stick of ram in different slots?

    Try reseting the bios either with the clear cmos button on the mobo or at the back where i/o panel is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭coolguyrko


    game4it70 wrote: »
    Did you try one stick of ram in different slots?

    Try reseting the bios either with the clear cmos button on the mobo or at the back where i/o panel is.

    No not yet. It's late. My brother and I just spent 4 hours assembling it and he had to go home. I'm too tired and annoyed to go at it anymore. Just want to send it to someone who can do it all for me at this stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭game4it70


    I understand it can be annoying,just walk away until tomorrow.

    Hopefully it can be fixed without have to send any parts away for rma.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭coolguyrko


    game4it70 wrote: »
    I understand it can be annoying,just walk away until tomorrow.

    Hopefully it can be fixed without have to send any parts away for rma.

    Yeah. Do you have any idea where the power switch is on the asrock zh77. Gonna try a out of case boot tomorrow. Never tried one today. Probably should have.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭game4it70


    coolguyrko wrote: »
    Yeah. Do you have any idea where the power switch is on the asrock zh77. Gonna try a out of case boot tomorrow. Never tried one today. Probably should have.

    Dont think it has one so you will have to short the pins.

    Follow the case power switch back to the mobo header its connected to.
    Use a flat head screwdriver the short them and it will boot.

    The manual will also show you the right two pins.


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