Is it necessary to service a gas boiler annually?

Victor u seem to know about accomodation matters.
A board gais new boiler installed in a new house in 2007 by reg gas installer. It was serviced and the service man puts a sticker on it saying it has to be serviced a year from that day. Do you know if its necessary to service this every year for 120 euro or is it a money racket. I have 2 smoke alarms, 2 carbon minoxide detectors and the unit is in use between 5 and 6 months a year. I have it serviced 6 times costing 720, never a problem with it, works perfect, happy with the bills. Does every house on natural gas do this on an annual basis? Anyone that can help please advise.

Victor

It is recommended annually, but I'm not aware of it being in any way mandatory. The suggestion is that sometimes the boiler settings are changed inadvertently and need re-setting.

It is usually cheapest to do during the summer, as gas fitters are busier during the winter.

D3PO

there's nothing in law however if god forbid something was to happen and one of your tenants was to die as a result of carbon monoxide poisoning regardless of the fact you have detectors for this you may well be found criminally negligent.

Its also likely in the long run to be cheaper to regularly service the boiler as failure to do so is more likely to cause a large failure of the boiler down the line.

Given the maintenance is tax deductible on your tax return and nothing good can come of not having it serviced the question should be why wouldn't you ?

ted1

A service only increases efficiency by 2% ( seai) figures the other reasons for a service a to prevent it breaking but is it worth €120 a year when a repair might be 200 every 3 years.

That leaves safety, if there is working carbon monoxide sensors and they are tested regular I don't see the need for an annual service, why not check the manual to see if there is a recommendation on service intervals.

hfallada

I have spoken to a plumber has done them in the past and who have said its a bit of a scam doing it every year. If you have a boiler that is fairly recently. It has been tested stringently he cant see why it have any issues for several years.

Having a carbon monoxide alarm is more important. They are pretty cheap to buy

crock!

A boiler should be serviced every year.its not just a service its also a safety check of gas pipe work and flue and check emissions and so on.there may never be a problem but when there is 'you will be glad you had it checked and avoid someone getting hurt or killed .

ted1

crock! wrote: »

A boiler should be serviced every year.its not just a service its also a safety check of gas pipe work and flue and check emissions and so on.there may never be a problem but when there is 'you will be glad you had it checked and avoid someone getting hurt or killed .

What qualifies you to make that statement ?

LowKeyReturn

Used to be a requirement when I was renting out my place in Scotland AFAIK, personally I'd do it if I was renting a place out.

The_Conductor

As per the above- its recommended to service the boiler annually.
Boilers have a finite lifespan at the best of times (typically 12 to 14 years, but less on some models)- a service will normally give you a report on the state of the boiler, and often comes with a guarantee (aka that if a problem arises within X amount of time after the service that the technician will visit and assess the situation within 48 hours- or something to that effect).

I have a 'Silver Boiler Service Contract' with Bord Gais- which entitles me to an annual service and if anything does go wrong- they visit within 24 hours and don't charge for repairs (just parts). Inevitably any problems arise at the very worst time of the year- just when you need the boiler the most- so having the peace of mind and knowledge that you will get a service visit even over Christmas if you need it- is well worth the 140 Euro.

ted1

The_Conductor wrote: »

As per the above- its recommended to service the boiler annually.
Boilers have a finite lifespan at the best of times (typically 12 to 14 years, but less on some models)- a service will normally give you a report on the state of the boiler, and often comes with a guarantee (aka that if a problem arises within X amount of time after the service that the technician will visit and assess the situation within 48 hours- or something to that effect).

I have a 'Silver Boiler Service Contract' with Bord Gais- which entitles me to an annual service and if anything does go wrong- they visit within 24 hours and don't charge for repairs (just parts). Inevitably any problems arise at the very worst time of the year- just when you need the boiler the most- so having the peace of mind and knowledge that you will get a service visit even over Christmas if you need it- is well worth the 140 Euro.

seems they do charge, .

how often does you boiler break down?
12-14 years is pretty poor, I'd expect a minimum of 20 years from a boiler.

who recomends the annual service? the people who conduct the boiler?

Here's a question, if the year had 18 months in it, would they still say do an annual service, or would they say doa 12 month service?

Citycap

hfallada wrote: »

I have spoken to a plumber has done them in the past and who have said its a bit of a scam doing it every year. If you have a boiler that is fairly recently. It has been tested stringently he cant see why it have any issues for several years.

Having a carbon monoxide alarm is more important. They are pretty cheap to buy

It is recommended. The insurance companies will look for verification if it anything happens. The local authority are now looking for records of service in relation to letting of properties when they do inspections. (South Dub County Council) now have a team in place inspecting private rented accommodation.
Last but by no means there is a possibility of a manslaughter charge if someone was to die as a result of a gas leak and regular maintenance was not performed.

I know it can be a scam but Bord Gais do a good deal re service.

ted1

Citycap wrote: »

It is recommended. The insurance companies will look for verification if it anything happens. The local authority are now looking for records of service in relation to letting of properties when they do inspections. (South Dub County Council) now have a team in place inspecting private rented accommodation.
Last but by no means there is a possibility of a manslaughter charge if someone was to die as a result of a gas leak and regular maintenance was not performed.

I know it can be a scam but Bord Gais do a good deal re service.

always careful of "good deals with Services" especially when there €39

theres threa in th eplumbign forum which explains why.

hfallada

Citycap wrote: »

It is recommended. The insurance companies will look for verification if it anything happens. The local authority are now looking for records of service in relation to letting of properties when they do inspections. (South Dub County Council) now have a team in place inspecting private rented accommodation.
Last but by no means there is a possibility of a manslaughter charge if someone was to die as a result of a gas leak and regular maintenance was not performed.

I know it can be a scam but Bord Gais do a good deal re service.

Why would get it done if its unnecessary? I think the only reason why people get it done is because bord Gais push it so heavily because they have a huge market share and profit off it. If there was a oil company as big as them I think we probably would be told to service our oil boilers too. You hear regular stories of oil boilers catching on fire as they were ancient. But you never hear the same issues with a gas boiler as they are generally modern and develop few issues.

sweetie

Avoid the deal sites for boiler services as they generally do f all

StillWaters

sweetie wrote: »

Avoid the deal sites for boiler services as they generally do f all

I don't think that's necessarily true. I know some good, registered plumbers who offer good value service deals. They make a loss on the service, but are often called back to do a bigger plumbing job, so overall it's worth their while.

The_Conductor

ted1 wrote: »

seems they do charge, .

how often does you boiler break down?
12-14 years is pretty poor, I'd expect a minimum of 20 years from a boiler.

who recomends the annual service? the people who conduct the boiler?

Here's a question, if the year had 18 months in it, would they still say do an annual service, or would they say doa 12 month service?

Gas boilers typically have a shorter lifespan than oil boilers (or so I'm told)- with 12-14 years being the normal lifespan of a unit. I was also told that in the intervening 12-14 years, that improvements in boiler efficiency means they're much cheaper to run than older models- how much cheaper is open to interpretation of course.

My boiler has broken 3 or 4 times in the past 5 years- inevitably its the electrics- unfortunately I'm in Lucan, so while I use surge protectors on almost everything in the house, the inbuilt electrical appliances, including the electrics on the gas boiler, are not protected. The ESB did leave a thing plugged in here for a few weeks taking readings, and then advised that there is an issue with power surges, however its uneconomical for them to address it, as we're the last on the line?

The reason an annual service is recommended- is normal usage patterns include a protracted period of inactivity over the summer and autumn months. Issues tend to manifest themselves when you then turn in on a regular basis again (and indeed most problems seem to occur on Sundays, Bank holidays- or other awkard times). I need to know if something goes wrong that I will have someone out to repair it without delay- and the contract with Bord Gais guarantees a 24 hour call-out, even during peak times.

I have had issues in the past- and I do have young children- I can't afford a new boiler to replace the back boiler I currently have- so I need to try to keep what I have at the moment working- and hopefully get a few more years service out of it.

On the basis of the servicing I get, and the guaranteed 24 hour call-out if an issue arises- I think my 140 Euro is money well spent, and I have no issue paying it.

tdonegan1990

Living in a rented home,boiler needs a servicing. Last one done was 05 i think!! Is this the landlords responsibility or should i ring esb and get someone out?

The_Conductor

tdonegan1990 wrote: »

Living in a rented home,boiler needs a servicing. Last one done was 05 i think!! Is this the landlords responsibility or should i ring esb and get someone out?

Look up your local newspaper- any gas appliance men who have RGI registration are qualified to service your boiler. I presume you have a Carbon Monoxide detector?

crock!

ted1 wrote: »

What qualifies you to make that statement ?

Im rgi and know what to check for.

tdonegan1990

The_Conductor wrote: »

Look up your local newspaper- any gas appliance men who have RGI registration are qualified to service your boiler. I presume you have a Carbon Monoxide detector?

Thanks
No carbon monoxide detector unfortunitly

The_Conductor

tdonegan1990 wrote: »

Thanks
No carbon monoxide detector unfortunitly

They're less than 20 quid in B&Q/Atlantic etc for a good brand (like Kidde)
They have a limited lifespan- if you look at the unit itself- it will have a replace by date stamped on it. If you have gas heating or appliances- you *need* to buy yourself a CO alarm.

crock!

ted1 wrote: »

A service only increases efficiency by 2% ( seai) figures the other reasons for a service a to prevent it breaking but is it worth €120 a year when a repair might be 200 every 3 years.

That leaves safety, if there is working carbon monoxide sensors and they are tested regular I don't see the need for an annual service, why not check the manual to see if there is a recommendation on service intervals.

There is no co sensor in a boiler.we have flame reactivation and termisters for heat and if it an old boiler then an interrupted thermocouple but they wont work for a boiler that recycles flue gas unless its really bad and lifts the flame for rectification.

crock!

crock! wrote: »

There is no co sensor in a boiler.we have flame reactivation and termisters for heat and if it an old boiler then an interrupted thermocouple but they wont work for a boiler that recycles flue gas unless its really bad and lifts the flame for rectification.

Sorry misread post about co alarm.120 is to much for a service 80 or 90 would be enough. Better safe than sorry.

The_Conductor

crock! wrote: »

Sorry misread post about co alarm.120 is to much for a service 80 or 90 would be enough. Better safe than sorry.

I agree. I'm happy to spend a little more- as insurance that if something does go wrong- I have a service guarantee that Bord Gais will fix it within 24 hours- regardless of the time of year, or how busy they are.

sweetie

Get a carbon monoxide detector that will last 7/8 yrs without battery change needed

ted1

crock! wrote: »

There is no co sensor in a boiler.we have flame reactivation and termisters for heat and if it an old boiler then an interrupted thermocouple but they wont work for a boiler that recycles flue gas unless its really bad and lifts the flame for rectification.

I never said there was an internal co sensor , I was talking about an external one.

P.S I'm an electronic engineer and am well capable of using technical words to make me sound. More important, but I don't see the need.

D3PO

ted1 wrote: »

I never said there was an internal co sensor , I was talking about an external one.

P.S I'm an electronic engineer and am well capable of using technical words to make me sound. More important, but I don't see the need.

in all fairness you called him out on how hes qualified to make a statement, hes now just showing hes knowledgable. Not sure why you keep having a go at him tbh, maybe you feel silly for calling him out now knowing he actually knows more than the regular joe soap.

SpaceTime

Our gas boiler is outside in the boiler house which has a louver door. it used to accommodate the oil boiler installed in the 1960s.

so realistically there's absolutely no way we could get carbon monoxide build up.

However I wouldn't skimp of servicing a boiler located inside the house.

ted1

D3PO wrote: »

in all fairness you called him out on how hes qualified to make a statement, hes now just showing hes knowledgable. Not sure why you keep having a go at him tbh, maybe you feel silly for calling him out now knowing he actually knows more than the regular joe soap.

Why would I feel silly? It was a genuine question , as an engineer I like to know the facts and if someone makes a statement I like to make an opinion based on there qualifcation. I never feel the need or see the need to get technical in a non technical forum, and feel that people that do are just trying to show off. Believe me I can get very technical but this isn't the place as its not relevant.


I still feel that that there is need for an annual service and that boilers last longer than 20 years. In fact I know of very few people who have ever replaced a boiler my house was built in 84 and the boiler was fitted then as was the neighbours etc and there all still working .

Maybe next year when the pay as you save scheme comes in to replace the better homes scheme we will replace it with a more modern condensing boiler.

ted1

sweetie wrote: »

Get a carbon monoxide detector that will last 7/8 yrs without battery change needed

Don't forget to test it at regular intervals.

LowKeyReturn

ted1 wrote: »

I never said there was an internal co sensor , I was talking about an external one.

P.S I'm an electronic engineer and am well capable of using technical words to make me sound. More important, but I don't see the need.

Punctuation though...

D3PO

ted1 wrote: »

I still feel that that there is need for an annual service and that boilers last longer than 20 years. In fact I know of very few people who have ever replaced a boiler my house was built in 84 and the boiler was fitted then as was the neighbours etc and there all still working .

.

There's two ways to look at it.

From a functional point of view Id agree with you. A yearly service is most probably overkill and as such therefore could be considered a waste of money in pure monetary terms based on a cost to value consideration.

However there's the secondary consideration (as a landlord) and that is if in the one in a million or whatever spurious odds it would be chance that you had a catastrophic failure which led to death as a result in a fault with your boiler you could very well end up charged with manslaughter.

You might think that's an exaggeration but that's exactly what the plumber in cork where the two people dies of Carbon Monoxide poisoning has been charged with so its not a stretch to think that it could happen. So the question then is for the sake of 90 euro or whatever (which is tax deductible on your rental returns) is it worth the risk ? My view is no it would not be.

There is also a separate question which I don't know the answer to but if there was property damage in a house caused by the boiler failing would the house insurance cover the claim if the boiler hasn't been regularly serviced ?

Given how insurance companies operate its again not a large stretch to assume they wouldn't pay out on a claim.

So it comes back to what value every individual puts on the service based on the above considerations. Everybody agrees its not illegal not to service it, most would probably agree that the chance of a failure if not serviced is minimal, and everybody will have their own value system as to weather its worth it or not, but in my view the pittance it is yearly is worthwhile based on what ive outlined above.

ted1

LowKeyReturn wrote: »

Punctuation though...

Whatch out the grammar Nazis are out..,

Get a life.

ted1

D3PO wrote: »

There's two ways to look at it.

From a functional point of view Id agree with you. A yearly service is most probably overkill and as such therefore could be considered a waste of money in pure monetary terms based on a cost to value consideration.

However there's the secondary consideration (as a landlord) and that is if in the one in a million or whatever spurious odds it would be chance that you had a catastrophic failure which led to death as a result in a fault with your boiler you could very well end up charged with manslaughter.

You might think that's an exaggeration but that's exactly what the plumber in cork where the two people dies of Carbon Monoxide poisoning has been charged with so its not a stretch to think that it could happen. So the question then is for the sake of 90 euro or whatever (which is tax deductible on your rental returns) is it worth the risk ? My view is no it would not be.

There is also a separate question which I don't know the answer to but if there was property damage in a house caused by the boiler failing would the house insurance cover the claim if the boiler hasn't been regularly serviced ?

Given how insurance companies operate its again not a large stretch to assume they wouldn't pay out on a claim.

So it comes back to what value every individual puts on the service based on the above considerations. Everybody agrees its not illegal not to service it, most would probably agree that the chance of a failure if not serviced is minimal, and everybody will have their own value system as to weather its worth it or not, but in my view the pittance it is yearly is worthwhile based on what ive outlined above.

Explain the property damage you talk off.,
I really think your grasping at straws here.

Tell me more about the plumber in cork, sounds more like professional negligence, unless you meant to say landlord

LowKeyReturn

ted1 wrote: »

Whatch out the grammar Nazis are out..,

Get a life.

I'm more of a punctuation socialist.

Thanks for your reply, I did mention that there are 2 smoke alarms in the house and 2 carbon minoxide dectctors in the house one fitted at the boiler, so its very unlikely that there would be a death from carbon minoxide poisoning or then one could sue the makrs of the decectors for neglegence also, It was cost related I was thinking of too, the saving of getting serviced after every 5/6 months of use could not be the 100 euro they charge surely. Regarding the insurance any damage caused from boilers washing machines or water decvices the excess is 1000 now since the big freeze. All interesting stuff how its all stacked against the customer.

D3PO

ted1 wrote: »

Explain the property damage you talk off.,
I really think your grasping at straws here.

Tell me more about the plumber in cork, sounds more like professional negligence, unless you meant to say landlord

If you don't follow the news that's your problem go Google search it I'm not your PA

As for property damage do you read ? your comprehension isn't very good if you do like I said in the slim chance of property damage which indicates Im not clutching at straws but am aware its an unlikely proposition but a proposition all the same.

if you bothered your arse to either properly read what I wrote or actually were willing to take it in rather than ignore what I wrote you would see that what I said was very reasoned and took in aspects from both points of view, but instead you have predetermined what you want to think because you think you know best because your an electrical engineer. :rolleyes:

odds_on

Housing standards for rented properties 2008 updated 2009:


13. Installations in the house for the supply of electricity and gas shall be maintained in good repair and safe working order with provision, where necessary, for the safe and effective removal of fumes to the external air.


When you have your boiler serviced you will get a receipt / certificate to say it was completed. This is the proof that the equipment is maintained as the law requires.

Irishlad23

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/85175061#Comment_85175061

Did you really pay €120 for a gas boiler service in 2013? I only paid €89 for mine this year. Check the bosch website to find the best boiler service provider.

I serviced my boiler with this company:dublingasworks

But they only cover the Dublin area