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Waiting on Interview... Something fishy?

  • 20-06-2013 1:39pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    I know there is a bit of a stigma attached to recruitment agencies and job advertisements, but a bit of advice on this one wouldn't go amiss.

    I applied for a job last Wednesday (fully experienced and qualified) and was offered an interview with the agency within ten minutes of applying. I attended the interview, and was told by the agent that I was perfect for the job with the client (she told me who the client was) and that there were three other applicants besides myself who are neither as experienced or as qualified - so that while she could confirm nothing, I was a very likely candidate for a position that needed to be filled urgently. My references were contacted within an hour of me leaving the interview and I was very hopeful.

    I emailed her the following Monday asking if there was any update (she asked me to stay in touch) and if there was any further information I could supply to strengthen my application. She rang to inform me that the person responsible for approving new staff was not in at the moment, but the person who would train me was very impressed by my CV and was more than content with my application.

    I was contacted and offered two other interviews for jobs I applied for which are not exactly what I want like this job is, but I'm not in a position to turn down any work. I rang the agent to inform her and she essentially asked me to either not attend the interviews, or to hold off on accepting any job offers. I explained that financially I am in no position to do this, and while I utmostly want the job she is advertising, social welfare are not going to let the "I'm waiting on my dream interview" excuse fly. I emailed her today to let her know that I still want to be considered for the position she advertised, but I can't hold out on applying for alternative work for much longer and asked her to get in touch as soon as possible with a response on my application, let it be positive or negative. I'm still waiting on correspondance.

    Any ideas on whether this is just a clash of timing? Or is there something fishy going on? I wouldn't normally be such a nuisance but the position was advertised as urgent, and she explained in the interview why it was so urgent. I imagined that if everything she told me to date was true that I would have at least received an interview with the company at this stage?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    Sorry - your interview wasnt with the company itself, but with the recruitment agent?

    You are being messed around, simply continue to look for other jobs and carry on as suits you and dont be so open with recruitment agents - you dont have to tell them about interviewing elsewhere.

    I strongly suspect all this "urgency" talk is just a way of keeping you hanging also.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    Sorry - your interview wasnt with the company itself, but with the recruitment agent?

    You are being messed around, simply continue to look for other jobs and carry on as suits you and dont be so open with recruitment agents - you dont have to tell them about interviewing elsewhere.

    I strongly suspect all this "urgency" talk is just a way of keeping you hanging also.

    Correct, I know that the interview with the agency was simply to whittle out candidates, and I've become increasingly suspicious about the supposed "urgency" of the position. I didn't inform her of who the interviews were with, just thought that if the position did in fact exist and if I was in fact being considered, that someone else being interested might have been a kick up the bum so to speak. The job and salary is perfect for me, with a very reputable company, but I am starting to wonder if the position even exists now!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,288 ✭✭✭pow wow


    Until you have a contract signed and a job started apply and interview for EVERYTHING you're interested in. The agent obviously wants you to remain free in case this original job comes to fruition, but there could be a hundred reasons why the job will come to nothing and that's why you should look after yourself in this situation. There's any number of reasons why this job is on the long finger given it's initial urgency, reasons which the recruitment agent may or may not be privy to. There may also be other agencies involved.

    For your own protection go forward with the interviews you've been offered, and if the dream job comes up it comes up. Keep the agent vaguely informed if you want, but you're not really under any obligation to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    pow wow wrote: »
    Until you have a contract signed and a job started apply and interview for EVERYTHING you're interested in. The agent obviously wants you to remain free in case this original job comes to fruition, but there could be a hundred reasons why the job will come to nothing and that's why you should look after yourself in this situation. There's any number of reasons why this job is on the long finger given it's initial urgency, reasons which the recruitment agent may or may not be privy to. There may also be other agencies involved.

    For your own protection go forward with the interviews you've been offered, and if the dream job comes up it comes up. Keep the agent vaguely informed if you want, but you're not really under any obligation to.

    Ive gone on today to apply for two more positions that became available (one of which is similar to this position, but more local) and am definitely not holding my breath for this position. Originally I kept an open mind but I am becoming increasingly irked at being put off by the agent. The last correspondance I had with her over the phone, she told me that they were very busy and she was currently pushing for an interview on Monday afternoon (this Monday coming). The company itself is huge, with its own HR department, and I find it hard to believe that no-one has time to interview me for 10 minutes over the past week if the job really is that urgent. In fact, it's annoying me that much I had to stop myself from contacting the company in question to apply for the position directly! :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 534 ✭✭✭neaideabh


    Any chance you can state who the agent was? I received similar treatmeant recently. Can you pm me?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    neaideabh wrote: »
    Any chance you can state who the agent was? I received similar treatmeant recently. Can you pm me?

    PMed you there, don't want to name publicly in case by some chance they are legit - don't want to ruin my chances :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    ShaShaBear wrote: »
    PMed you there, don't want to name publicly in case by some chance they are legit - don't want to ruin my chances :p

    Would you mind pm-ing me too - Im currently job hunting, want to know who to avoid!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭tatli_lokma


    From my experience of recruitment agents, don't get your hopes up. The quality of the CV's some of them have sent us is appalling. And having previous personal experience of temping in a recruitment agency I tend to give the benefit of the doubt when I see a badly formatted CV from an agency as I know that often they copy and paste your CV into their own template and make a mess of it.

    In addition, I have had agents literally force a candidate down my throat. I have perhaps told them we are taking time to consider all applicants, or that their candidate wasn't as good as others, or whatever reason, but still they persist in trying to 'sell' a candidate to us, despite them not being suitable.

    So my advice to you OP is to take everything they tell you with a pinch of salt. Not only do they get commission on placing people in jobs, but they also have management targets of 'quality' candidates they have file. So they often like to keep you interested despite there being no job, as you on their 'quality' list which then can then give to their manager.

    Keep looking for jobs, don't limit yourself on the basis of what a recruitment agent tells you. They are sales people at the end of the day.

    And as a funny aside, the role I am currently in I applied for directly and got and managed to negotiate €5k additional salary. However, this is the same job that was listed with a recruitment agent, an agent I had temped for and who supposedly knew my CV well and my abilities. When I asked her about putting me forward for the job she told me that unfortunately I was not near qualified enough and that she would not be happy to put me forward as I would only be disappointed. So I applied directly and have since been told that I was head and shoulders above any of the candidates the agent did put forward. So much so that none of her candidates even got called for an interview. Moral of the story - don't trust an agent to have your best interests at heart.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    Little Ted wrote: »
    And as a funny aside, the role I am currently in I applied for directly and got and managed to negotiate €5k additional salary. However, this is the same job that was listed with a recruitment agent, an agent I had temped for and who supposedly knew my CV well and my abilities. When I asked her about putting me forward for the job she told me that unfortunately I was not near qualified enough and that she would not be happy to put me forward as I would only be disappointed. So I applied directly and have since been told that I was head and shoulders above any of the candidates the agent did put forward. So much so that none of her candidates even got called for an interview. Moral of the story - don't trust an agent to have your best interests at heart.

    Based on this, do you think it would be unreasonable for me to send on an email to the company in question with the title of the position advertised, and the cover letter and CV that I supplied to the agent? I dont want to appear presumptuous or annoying to the company, but surely if the job exists it would be best to get an honest response from them directly? And if it doesn't, surely the company should be aware that a recruitment agency is using their name to get people's CVs?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    ShaShaBear wrote: »
    Based on this, do you think it would be unreasonable for me to send on an email to the company in question with the title of the position advertised, and the cover letter and CV that I supplied to the agent? I dont want to appear presumptuous or annoying to the company, but surely if the job exists it would be best to get an honest response from them directly? And if it doesn't, surely the company should be aware that a recruitment agency is using their name to get people's CVs?

    Been thinking about this - do it, nothing to lose.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,493 ✭✭✭RedXIV


    ShaShaBear wrote: »
    Based on this, do you think it would be unreasonable for me to send on an email to the company in question with the title of the position advertised, and the cover letter and CV that I supplied to the agent? I dont want to appear presumptuous or annoying to the company, but surely if the job exists it would be best to get an honest response from them directly? And if it doesn't, surely the company should be aware that a recruitment agency is using their name to get people's CVs?

    If it were me, I would be doing this. Especially if you have a name to send it to


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭tatli_lokma


    Hmmm, I'd be careful though.

    If the company are recruiting directly then by all means, fire off a CV to them. However, if they are not openly advertising, then either
    a) they do not want unsolicited applications and have purposely chosen to use an agent
    or b) there is no job.

    If it is a) and you send a CV you could end up shooting yourself in the foot, not only with the company, but with the recruitment agency. Although it could be the recruitment agent who is bullsh!tting you, it could also be that the company are stringing the agent along. In either case, contacting the company with a CV could end up pissing either one or both of them off.

    If it is b) then they might just ignore your CV.

    I think it might be better to actually phone them or email them - not with a CV but just to confirm if there is a position available and if they are still considering applications. Depending on that answer, then you can decide if it would be worth sending in a CV.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    RedXIV wrote: »
    If it were me, I would be doing this. Especially if you have a name to send it to

    I dont have any names unfortunately. Decided I am going to go down this route as a last resort. Since my last correspondance suggested a possible interview on Monday with the company, I'll hold out until close of business tomorrow to see if a time and date is confirmed. In any case, the email I sent her today has clearly outlined that I will not be waiting about any longer for a result on this opening, and the sooner she can get back to me, the sooner we can come to a positive conclusion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 95 ✭✭ILikeFriday


    I wouldn't put anything on hold for a recruitment agency. The number of jobs they advertise which do not exist for "CV harvesting" purposes is unreal. I don't know your industry, but I would try to compile a list of companies that work in it (Enterprise Ireland directories are good for small to medium companies and the IDA have a directory where you can search for large ones on their websites). When you have a list of companies check their websites individually to search for vacancies and maybe send speculative applications. It takes time, but its worth it because you're going directly to source most of the time and you know the job exists. This is the best way to cut out recruitment agencies in my experience. I don't know whether I'd be alone in this, but I think it was highly unprofessional to check your references before there was a firm offer on the table. Imagine if every employer for every job you applied to did that. Your referees could be harassed indefinitely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    I wouldn't put anything on hold for a recruitment agency. The number of jobs they advertise which do not exist for "CV harvesting" purposes is unreal. I don't know your industry, but I would try to compile a list of companies that work in it (Enterprise Ireland directories are good for small to medium companies and the IDA have a directory where you can search for large ones on their websites). When you have a list of companies check their websites individually to search for vacancies and maybe send speculative applications. It takes time, but its worth it because you're going directly to source most of the time and you know the job exists. This is the best way to cut out recruitment agencies in my experience. I don't know whether I'd be alone in this, but I think it was highly unprofessional to check your references before there was a firm offer on the table. Imagine if every employer for every job you applied to did that. Your referees could be harassed indefinitely.

    I did think this was very odd. I put it down to the position being urgent and she wanted to get my application through to the company as cleared ASAP. But if there is no job it seems very silly to ring my references so quickly. I think I'll be cutting my losses and if she happens to get back to me, that's great - but you guys are all lending credence to my opinion that she was just CV harvesting as you put it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 95 ✭✭ILikeFriday


    ShaShaBear wrote: »
    I did think this was very odd. I put it down to the position being urgent and she wanted to get my application through to the company as cleared ASAP. But if there is no job it seems very silly to ring my references so quickly. I think I'll be cutting my losses and if she happens to get back to me, that's great - but you guys are all lending credence to my opinion that she was just CV harvesting as you put it.

    That is a point. Maybe the fact that she checked the references so quickly might suggest there is a job or was at some point. From what I know of recruitment agencies however, there can be a number of them looking to fill the same position. It's like a competition and whichever agency wins gets the commission, so they have to move quickly. Maybe she wants to have you "ready to go" because she has some reason to believe that job or a similar one will arise soon. I'm really getting into the realm of speculation now though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    That is a point. Maybe the fact that she checked the references so quickly might suggest there is a job or was at some point. From what I know of recruitment agencies however, there can be a number of them looking to fill the same position. It's like a competition and whichever agency wins gets the commission, so they have to move quickly. Maybe she wants to have you "ready to go" because she has some reason to believe that job or a similar one will arise soon. I'm really getting into the realm of speculation now though.

    The other thing I was told to watch for was them not disclosing the company name during the interview. She told me who it was, gave me the reasons why the position had to be filled urgently (obviously I won't disclose here but there was a story she gave me behind it which was quite detailed) and she also gave me the hours I would be working, the work required of me within different times of these hours, what was required of me, the first name of the manager who would be training me, the name of the system they use that I would be operating. Granted, she could still be simply blowing smoke up my nostrils :rolleyes:

    Ive decided not to contact her again regarding this position, and if she gets in touch with me to offer an interview, great, and if she tries to pawn another position off on me, I'll be telling her where to go! :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 95 ✭✭ILikeFriday


    ShaShaBear wrote: »
    The other thing I was told to watch for was them not disclosing the company name during the interview. She told me who it was, gave me the reasons why the position had to be filled urgently (obviously I won't disclose here but there was a story she gave me behind it which was quite detailed) and she also gave me the hours I would be working, the work required of me within different times of these hours, what was required of me, the first name of the manager who would be training me, the name of the system they use that I would be operating. Granted, she could still be simply blowing smoke up my nostrils :rolleyes:

    Ive decided not to contact her again regarding this position, and if she gets in touch with me to offer an interview, great, and if she tries to pawn another position off on me, I'll be telling her where to go! :p

    That level of detail would suggest to me that there is/was a job at some point. It would be very risky of her to give all that out if the job didn't exist. You might decide to get in touch with that manager for example. The company might never use them again. But sometimes they can overstate the likelihood of a person getting the job. Or leave a real job advertised just a little while after it is filled to get a few more CV's.

    I may sound biased against recruitment agencies, but on the four occasions I've worked with them, lets just say things have never worked as smoothly as when I'd gone through a direct employer application.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    That level of detail would suggest to me that there is/was a job at some point. It would be very risky of her to give all that out if the job didn't exist. You might decide to get in touch with that manager for example. The company might never use them again. But sometimes they can overstate the likelihood of a person getting the job. Or leave a real job advertised just a little while after it is filled to get a few more CV's.

    I may sound biased against recruitment agencies, but on the four occasions I've worked with them, lets just say things have never worked as smoothly as when I'd gone through a direct employer application.

    The only thing I am sure of, based on the nature of the work, the size and reputation of the company, and the type of job advertised - if what she told me was true, they definitely would have gotten back to me by now. While the position itself is not very high, it is detrimental and I would have to assume they are trying to divide this workload among themselves, as it would be impossible to function with no-one performing the work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭OnTheCouch


    Yeah as another poster said, there could be thousands of reasons why things have not progressed as smoothly as anticipated. There may well be a job, simply it has been put on hold or something.

    I'm not saying that all recruiters are egotistical wasters either, but it is easy to forget sometimes that they are looking after their best interests. You are a potential assent to them, a way of making money if they match you with a decent position, but as mentioned earlier, they themselves may be being shafted by the company.

    It is easy to think of a recruiter as a bit like a 'kindly uncle with influence,' someone who will do all he can to look out for a job for you in his field and get back to you if he hears anything. Most recruiters are generally very polite and courteous speaking to you after all. But this is not quite how it works, as you are probably aware by now.

    However, just carry on applying, there is no need for you to tell them about any other applications, nor say that you really need to hear from them by a certain time or you'll start applying for other positions, as that if nothing else, puts them in a position of power over you.

    Just carry on regardless, if they get in touch, then at least you have a choice if they offer you a job.

    Good luck.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭tatli_lokma


    That is a point. Maybe the fact that she checked the references so quickly might suggest there is a job or was at some point.
    A lot of recruiters will check references for good candidates straight away. This is so that if something does come up for them, they are ready to go. An employer pays a recruitment agent to take care of exactly those things that can be time consuming - i.e culling applications and checking references. A recruiter checking references quickly doesn't mean anything either way unfortunately.

    That level of detail would suggest to me that there is/was a job at some point. It would be very risky of her to give all that out if the job didn't exist.

    Again, it could be that a company went out to several recruiters with a position. Depending on the quality of CV's received they either will or won't give the opportunity to one or more recruiter. I have done this myself - phone 2 or 3 recruitment agencies, give them an outline of the role, see what they come back with. The agency who gives the best quality of applicants usually wins. If more than one send a few decent CV's then we use more than one. So them knowing the details and passing this on to the candidate, again I am afraid to say, means very little either way. I would say there definitely is or was a job, but whether the agent still has the opportunity to present candidates could have changed.

    But like you ILikeFriday, this is all speculation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    Little Ted wrote: »
    A lot of recruiters will check references for good candidates straight away. This is so that if something does come up for them, they are ready to go. An employer pays a recruitment agent to take care of exactly those things that can be time consuming - i.e culling applications and checking references. A recruiter checking references quickly doesn't mean anything either way unfortunately.




    Again, it could be that a company went out to several recruiters with a position. Depending on the quality of CV's received they either will or won't give the opportunity to one or more recruiter. I have done this myself - phone 2 or 3 recruitment agencies, give them an outline of the role, see what they come back with. The agency who gives the best quality of applicants usually wins. If more than one send a few decent CV's then we use more than one. So them knowing the details and passing this on to the candidate, again I am afraid to say, means very little either way. I would say there definitely is or was a job, but whether the agent still has the opportunity to present candidates could have changed.

    But like you ILikeFriday, this is all speculation.

    The only thing I know is that the job was not advertised online on either jobs.ie or similar by anyone other than this recruitment agency. Now that doesn't mean that they didn't get in touch with someone who already had suitable people in their database!

    In any case there has been absolutely no response, email or phonecall, to the email I sent off yesterday afternoon. I can safely assume that either the job didn't exist or that it was filled and she doesn't want to tell me lest I get a job somewhere else :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    ShaShaBear wrote: »

    In any case there has been absolutely no response, email or phonecall, to the email I sent off yesterday afternoon. I can safely assume that either the job didn't exist or that it was filled and she doesn't want to tell me lest I get a job somewhere else :rolleyes:

    I dont understand how recruitment agents work. I had one send me a spec and ask did I like it. I said I liked it, that was days ago and nothing since!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    I dont understand how recruitment agents work. I had one send me a spec and ask did I like it. I said I liked it, that was days ago and nothing since!

    I would consider myself quite disappointed. As far as jobs and companies go, this was like a wannabe Disney Princess getting a job in the Disney Castle. I mean, if she had called me and said "Sorry you didn't get it, but I love your CV and I will keep my eyes open for a similar position and put your name forward first" I would have been totally fine with that. But what can she or her business hope to achieve by lying and telling me I am the only candidate and am still being considered as of last Tuesday evening when there isn't even a job. And asking me to refuse a job offer from my interviews??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    That sucks ShaSha.

    I guess, to put a positive spin on it, the lesson learned is that recruitment agents are just sales people who will say anything to keep you on hold while they try to negotiate the best commission they can get. They dont care about you.

    The key thing to remember is this - they are not trying to get you a job, they are trying to get themselves a commission.

    Sorry you are so disappointed though, but hey, maybe your dream job will come up soon!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    That sucks ShaSha.

    I guess, to put a positive spin on it, the lesson learned is that recruitment agents are just sales people who will say anything to keep you on hold while they try to negotiate the best commission they can get. They dont care about you.

    The key thing to remember is this - they are not trying to get you a job, they are trying to get themselves a commission.

    Sorry you are so disappointed though, but hey, maybe your dream job will come up soon!!

    I try to keep positive - out of all the unemployed people in my field, eventually if all of them get a job then people will have no choice but to hire me :p
    Was my first experience with an agent, and to be honest, I didn't even realise that's what it was until I got to the interview. Now I know why FAS.ie and jobs.ie allow you to exclude agencies from your search :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    Just an update. Received a call just now (reception was quite poor so I didn't get the full conversation) but I was assured twice during the call that I would be given an interview time and date on this coming Monday. Definitely not holding my breath, as I can't really fathom what would obstruct her ability to obtain a date between the next 3 hours and whatever amount of hours she's hoping to avail of on Monday (since they all close at the weekend). Just have to wait and see what she comes up with.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    Well you said it - dont hold your breath.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭Nelly1234


    Hey Sha Sha bear, any chance you can please PM mewho the agent was? I have a v. similar experience!!:) Thanks in advance


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  • Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Manuel Magnificent Spout


    Good luck, but I wouldn't be holding my breath either
    Had one mess me around before despite being the one originally cold calling me - all attentive and helpful and constant contact until it was clear I didn't get past 2nd interview - then not a word. Not even "sorry you didn't get it", just vanished and stopped returning calls
    Very unprofessional carry on

    No way of knowing in your case but I'd keep looking! And if you do actually get an interview it'll be a bonus


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Good luck, but I wouldn't be holding my breath either
    Had one mess me around before despite being the one originally cold calling me - all attentive and helpful and constant contact until it was clear I didn't get past 2nd interview - then not a word. Not even "sorry you didn't get it", just vanished and stopped returning calls
    Very unprofessional carry on

    No way of knowing in your case but I'd keep looking! And if you do actually get an interview it'll be a bonus

    Im in no way holding out - applied for three other positions today, and to be honest was tempted to tell her where to shove it over the phone. But since jobs.ie and fas.ie are pretty dead over the weekend, and I've exhausted all independent resources, I'm gonna be hanging about until Monday anyway! Might as well see where she goes with it. If I get an interview date on Monday, great. If I don't, I'll be warning her not to contact me again!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 Dancing on the fence


    Good luck with the job hunt have a look at www.enterprise-ireland.com scroll to end of page and there are job vacancies with clients of Enterprise ireland


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,388 ✭✭✭markpb


    Is worth pointing out that arranging interviews can be quite awkward for some companies, even large multinationals. If you have to find a time that suits people from several teams, at several levels and a time that suits the interviewee, sometimes it doesn't happen quickly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    ShaShaBear wrote: »
    If I don't, I'll be warning her not to contact me again!

    No - dont do this. Why cut off your nose to spite your face? Thank her nicely and let her keep contacting you if she has something interesting. Use her to your own ends. Just know what you are dealing with and dont depend on her or trust her. But dont tell her to feck off - thats only harming your own position.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    No - dont do this. Why cut off your nose to spite your face? Thank her nicely and let her keep contacting you if she has something interesting. Use her to your own ends. Just know what you are dealing with and dont depend on her or trust her. But dont tell her to feck off - thats only harming your own position.

    I don't think I'd like to be dealing with her or any recruitment agency again, I had a minor panic attack last night stressing over Monday, I'm spending all day hovering over the phone, even making excuses not to leave the house on days that she has previously promised to ring me with good news. I'm exactly the wrong kind of person to deal with stretched false promises like this! :o


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭tatli_lokma


    ShaShaBear wrote: »
    I don't think I'd like to be dealing with her or any recruitment agency again

    unfortunately recruitment agencies are a fact of life if you are looking for a job. Some companies simply will not entertain direct applications and will only use recruiters. So why limit yourself?

    Recruitment agencies are a scourge, but an unavoidable fact of life, so you just need to learn to deal with the games they play.

    Also, Hr/recruitment can be a small world in Ireland - don't burn any bridges unnesseccarily, as you just don't know who speaks with whom. A friend of mine in HR worked for a recruitment company for a while and still networks industry circles of both recruiters and HR professionals. She has told me that she often phones contacts in recruitment agencies for 'off the record' references on an applicant. So don't go making any bold moves as you simply just don't know who speaks to who and who knows who.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    ShaShaBear wrote: »
    I don't think I'd like to be dealing with her or any recruitment agency again, I had a minor panic attack last night stressing over Monday, I'm spending all day hovering over the phone, even making excuses not to leave the house on days that she has previously promised to ring me with good news. I'm exactly the wrong kind of person to deal with stretched false promises like this! :o

    Little Ted has pretty much said how things are.

    Dont label yourself the wrong kind of person to be dealing with recruitment agency stuff. No one likes dealing with them. Whats important to remember is that you didnt realise how it would be - and now you know. You wont find yourself taken in like that again. Its the same for everyone the first time they deal with one. I just recently saw my husband go through it - which prepared me for going through it.

    Its ALL very daunting and stressful right now, but as you get more used to the BS and the "game" it will become easier. Some people go through months of looking for a suitable job - and lots and lots of calls, false promises etc - you just have to accept it for what it is, its a game that you are currently only becoming aware of the rules of.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    Little Ted has pretty much said how things are.

    Dont label yourself the wrong kind of person to be dealing with recruitment agency stuff. No one likes dealing with them. Whats important to remember is that you didnt realise how it would be - and now you know. You wont find yourself taken in like that again. Its the same for everyone the first time they deal with one. I just recently saw my husband go through it - which prepared me for going through it.

    Its ALL very daunting and stressful right now, but as you get more used to the BS and the "game" it will become easier. Some people go through months of looking for a suitable job - and lots and lots of calls, false promises etc - you just have to accept it for what it is, its a game that you are currently only becoming aware of the rules of.

    True I suppose, the last time I worked was back in the day when people were so desperate for more staff you got the job halfway through the interview :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    Just thought everyone would like to be updated and told that I received absolutely no further correspondence with the agency regarding this position. Very clear disregard for me as a candidate and a clear lack of professionalism involved!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 95 ✭✭ILikeFriday


    ShaShaBear wrote: »
    Just thought everyone would like to be updated and told that I received absolutely no further correspondence with the agency regarding this position. Very clear disregard for me as a candidate and a clear lack of professionalism involved!

    Sorry to hear that.

    If I could suggest anything, it would be deal with companies directly if it's possible in your industry. If they invite you to interview it means they want to meet you. They have no incentive to waste their own time.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    Thats awful ShaSha. So it was all BS. There was probably no role at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    Thats awful ShaSha. So it was all BS. There was probably no role at all.

    I would be inclined to think so. Or at least that the position was filled long before my name came into play and the agent thought that with my skillset she could find me an alternative opportunity before I noticed any different. Unfortunately for her I proved to be quite difficult - I imagine she gave up when she realised I wasn't going to sit beside my phone like a lovestruck teenager ignoring job listings and turning down interviews until she found me something. :rolleyes:


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