ROAR Promotions

nigel911

Anyone ever heard of this company or know anything about them and what they do? i have an interview with them tomorow and it all seems very dodgy. they had a marketing and sales job advertised on jobs.ie

the_syco

Door-to-door selling, I thinkl http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056051270

nigel911

So they are dodgy!! thanks for the Link! they had it advertised on jobs.ie but nothing about what the job entailed! just didnt feel right at all

Esoteric_

As as already said, it is indeed door to door work, so not a 'proper' job in the sense of the word. Usually, any job description that doesn't actually describe the job is best avoided!

nigel911

Their website is terrible as well. Doesnt really explain what the company actually does?

Esoteric_

nigel911 wrote: »

Their website is terrible as well. Doesnt really explain what the company actually does?

Other companies and charities pay them to get door to door sellers to sell their wares. That's all, really.

nigel911

best to avoid it then so. thanks guys

Moromaster

Not entirely sure why this company (APPCO group) gets slandered to such an extent online; when I initially applied, I considered not going to my appointment simply because of what I've heard. However, I was genuinely bored on the morning, and I thought I'd give it a go.

There are, of course, limitations to what you can say about any company; but I'll generalize. Roar Promotions is brilliant, I've been working there for a bit longer than a month and I'm having a stupidly good time. The office is professional, the owners are professional and the team environment is stellar.

In terms of hours, it's not bad. People hollering on about '12 hour days', it's nonsense, you're only ever really working from about 3pm-9pm. It's commission only, so if you want to push to get into the field earlier so you'll make more money, that's fine. You're taught how to put customers at ease, it's nothing like 90% of the people you've had come to your door; you're trained extensively in the first week.

The pay isn't brilliant; but I'm an 18 year old, just out of school, and I am making more than minimum wage, easily. Personally, I wouldn't recommend it to people who have families, but one chap in the office has a family, he's been there for about four months, and he'll own his own company in another month.

And the names don't 'change so they can hide', it's because a new owner gets promoted pretty much bimonthly and s/he starts their own company.

If anyone wants to have a further chat about it, send me a PM and we can talk on Facebook or something. I'm not some CEO trying to trick people into anything, it's genuinely just a good job.

allibastor

Moromaster wrote: »

Not entirely sure why this company (APPCO group) gets slandered to such an extent online; when I initially applied, I considered not going to my appointment simply because of what I've heard. However, I was genuinely bored on the morning, and I thought I'd give it a go.

There are, of course, limitations to what you can say about any company; but I'll generalize. Roar Promotions is brilliant, I've been working there for a bit longer than a month and I'm having a stupidly good time. The office is professional, the owners are professional and the team environment is stellar.

In terms of hours, it's not bad. People hollering on about '12 hour days', it's nonsense, you're only ever really working from about 3pm-9pm. It's commission only, so if you want to push to get into the field earlier so you'll make more money, that's fine. You're taught how to put customers at ease, it's nothing like 90% of the people you've had come to your door; you're trained extensively in the first week.

The pay isn't brilliant; but I'm an 18 year old, just out of school, and I am making more than minimum wage, easily. Personally, I wouldn't recommend it to people who have families, but one chap in the office has a family, he's been there for about four months, and he'll own his own company in another month.

And the names don't 'change so they can hide', it's because a new owner gets promoted pretty much bimonthly and s/he starts their own company.

If anyone wants to have a further chat about it, send me a PM and we can talk on Facebook or something. I'm not some CEO trying to trick people into anything, it's genuinely just a good job.

Are you not worried about the market saturation point when they are running new ads for people on a daily basis. What about things like your tax and PRSI being up to date.

How is your area mapped out in terms of setting call backs, and identifying areas to call to, who has what service so to speak.

Moromaster

allibastor wrote: »

Are you not worried about the market saturation point when they are running new ads for people on a daily basis.

Are you talking about industry recruitment or product advertising?

If industry recruitment, no way. There's too much unemployment for people to pass up interviews. I don't like the ads, personally, but the business needs rapid growth or no one gets promoted.

What about things like your tax and PRSI being up to date.

Now, that's a grey area for most people. You have to file your taxes yourself, however by the time the first quarter is over, you've usually gotten onto the business developement programme or you're a capable salesman with consistent wages. Just like any job, really, except for a higher upper tax bracket.

How is your area mapped out in terms of setting call backs, and identifying areas to call to, who has what service so to speak.

Area is given by the client, it's only hit about once every four months. There is an accurate call-back checked that you're provided with; it's honestly very effective.

Regarding who has the service, it doesn't matter. Whether it's Sky or Prepaid Power or Phonewatch, the person at the door isn't going to waste your time if they already have it.

allibastor

Moromaster wrote: »

Are you talking about industry recruitment or product advertising?

If industry recruitment, no way. There's too much unemployment for people to pass up interviews. I don't like the ads, personally, but the business needs rapid growth or no one gets promoted.


Now, that's a grey area for most people. You have to file your taxes yourself, however by the time the first quarter is over, you've usually gotten onto the business developement programme or you're a capable salesman with consistent wages. Just like any job, really, except for a higher upper tax bracket.


Area is given by the client, it's only hit about once every four months. There is an accurate call-back checked that you're provided with; it's honestly very effective.

Regarding who has the service, it doesn't matter. Whether it's Sky or Prepaid Power or Phonewatch, the person at the door isn't going to waste your time if they already have it.

Well I mean saturation in general, the constant influx of new workers, other companies operating in the same area etc. that must cut down the limits of your own potential sales area.

Also, I dont think the guys on the development program get a fixed wage, I could be wrong, I know the client pays a small retainer fee to the company, but usually that goes to the owner, then all the sales go to make up the rest.

As far as taxes and PRSI go, in essence you are saying you are a sub-contractor to this company if you have to do all this on your own. Does the company offer assistance in this regard. Do they offer any benifits at all that a sub-contractor usually gets, such as room to negotiate on pricing, overall flexability on working hours or methods of work. can you avail of VAT refunds for good bought as cost of sale?

Generally also, if a person has the service already, it shows very bad customer support if someone calls to try and re-sell the service again. Again i am unsure of how the client handles this, but surely every day of new sales will lower the expected target area for new potential business.

Moromaster

allibastor wrote: »

Well I mean saturation in general, the constant influx of new workers, other companies operating in the same area etc. that must cut down the limits of your own potential sales area.

Not especially. Sometimes other promotions companies sell Sky in areas they aren't legally allowed (I assume it's often a mistake, tbh). The territory is dictated by the client so that should never happen.

The 'constant influx of new workers' is the best part of this business. It allows rapid growth and promotion. They way it works is that if you promote X amount of people to the same level you're at, you get promoted (Set criteria).

Also, I dont think the guys on the development program get a fixed wage, I could be wrong, I know the client pays a small retainer fee to the company, but usually that goes to the owner, then all the sales go to make up the rest.

No one, except for admins, get paid set wages. Commission works if you let it. Sales genuinely would not work on a basic wage, I don't know how many times I've pulled a sale or four out of the hat at 8:25. Commission's why.

As far as taxes and PRSI go, in essence you are saying you are a sub-contractor to this company if you have to do all this on your own. Does the company offer assistance in this regard. Do they offer any benifits at all that a sub-contractor usually gets, such as room to negotiate on pricing, overall flexability on working hours or methods of work. can you avail of VAT refunds for good bought as cost of sale?

The Administrators in the office help people with taxation issues and quandaries. It's not their job, but they do it because they can and they should.

Absolutely. I keep all of my receipts in order to avail of tax refunds.

Generally also, if a person has the service already, it shows very bad customer support if someone calls to try and re-sell the service again. Again i am unsure of how the client handles this, but surely every day of new sales will lower the expected target area for new potential business.

Not especially. This would be the average conversation with someone who has X service:
'Hey how's it going, just going around with--'
'Already have it! Sorry!'
'Ah here, you make my job too easy for me! Would you recommend it to any friends or family?'

Either that, or we'd simply end up having a chat about how they find it.

Then obviously you can get a referral. It's usually easier to sell where you can reference other people who enjoy the service. Customer service is key, it's genuinely Roar Promotions most important attribute; there's no point in sacrificing it, and that's what other non-APPCO companies don't seem to get.

allibastor

Moromaster wrote: »

Not especially. Sometimes other promotions companies sell Sky in areas they aren't legally allowed (I assume it's often a mistake, tbh). The territory is dictated by the client so that should never happen.

The 'constant influx of new workers' is the best part of this business. It allows rapid growth and promotion. They way it works is that if you promote X amount of people to the same level you're at, you get promoted (Set criteria).


No one, except for admins, get paid set wages. Commission works if you let it. Sales genuinely would not work on a basic wage, I don't know how many times I've pulled a sale or four out of the hat at 8:25. Commission's why.


The Administrators in the office help people with taxation issues and quandaries. It's not their job, but they do it because they can and they should.

Absolutely. I keep all of my receipts in order to avail of tax refunds.


Not especially. This would be the average conversation with someone who has X service:
'Hey how's it going, just going around with--'
'Already have it! Sorry!'
'Ah here, you make my job too easy for me! Would you recommend it to any friends or family?'

Either that, or we'd simply end up having a chat about how they find it.

Then obviously you can get a referral. It's usually easier to sell where you can reference other people who enjoy the service. Customer service is key, it's genuinely Roar Promotions most important attribute; there's no point in sacrificing it, and that's what other non-APPCO companies don't seem to get.

Sorry, i dont know how to do the Multi quote thing.

Does the constant and high staff turnover not affect you middle managers and your chances of these highly saught after promotions. I mean i worked in one of these places before and I remember my trainer or manager or what ever you call him never in six months being able to make the move any higher as the staff turnover was huge. I know a good few of the guys were in the same boat.

I do hope that this company has better customer service, as I must say, its one of the most annoying things when you get called from the same company numerous times.

Again, with rapid growth and promotion, do you not feel that it does saturate the market, if there is 4-8 companies looking for the same business in a small geographical area it will ultimatly lead to smaller sales, which will increase staff turnover.

And the admin role in the company is that, Admin, they should be on hand to also help with tax affairs, do you or your co-workers get a training and set up guide on how to handle contracted taxx affairs in a company setting.