Police asking for Personal details

Soby

On a flight home from Edinburgh today police officer who I was stand beside just after the security check (was waiting for colleagues to get their belongings ) just randomly says hello asks can he get a few details off me.

Name
Address
Contact number
Flight Info

Was kinda so baffled by it I forgot to ask why but just being me gave it all. Was very weird. Any reason why men women and Ogres of AH ?

genericguy

Soby wrote: »

On a flight home from Edinburgh today police officer who I was stand beside just after the security check (was waiting for colleagues to get their belongings ) just randomly says hello asks can he get a few details off me.

Name
Address
Contact number
Flight Info

Was kinda so baffled by it I forgot to ask why but just being me gave it all. Was very weird. Any reason why men women and Ogres of AH ?

Were you wearing any type of headgear made of cloth by any chance?

Sparks43

You must be Female with big tits

LETHAL LADY

Possibly thought you are stunningly beautiful and used their position to get the necessary information to stalk you.

whiskeyman

Watch out for the little red dot.
Any time now...

Banjo String

Soby wrote: »

On a flight home from Edinburgh today police officer who I was stand beside just after the security check (was waiting for colleagues to get their belongings ) just randomly says hello asks can he get a few details off me.

Name
Address
Contact number
Flight Info

Was kinda so baffled by it I forgot to ask why but just being me gave it all. Was very weird. Any reason why men women and Ogres of AH ?

At a check point one night just outside newry, a psni lady officer asked me when my birthday was.

August 30th I said.

She rolled her eyes to heaven and said "what year?"

I rolled my eyes up to heaven too, and said "every fcukin year" and drove off towards carlingford.

To answer your question though OP. An airport is an extremely secure location, it wouldn't be unusual for 'spot checks' to be carried out in one.

hedzball

Do you have a big dirty Ira tattoo??..

The Backwards Man

Just sussing you out to see how you reacted. Perfectly normal practice.

shamrock55

Was he on duty in uniform

the keen edge

Police? Nah probably a chugger.

Expect €15 debited out of your bank account on the 18th of each month and a postcard from a Goat in Malawi around Christmas time.

Soby

shamrock55 wrote: »

Was he on duty in uniform

Yup and were both Male

mattjack

He just wants to visit you later in year , maybe stay a few nights.
Did you ask for his name and address ?

On a more serious note , my wife has left a doughnut in the fridge the last two days, told me it's hers and I'm not to eat it.

Its one of the ones with custard in it , if she had said nothing , I wouldn't have noticed .Should I eat it and blame kids , dog , burglars , goldfish etc ?

Please help ..

Karl Stein

You should have said:

'I'm flattered by your interest in me but you're really not my type, sorry'.

*sympathy face*

apollo8

mattjack wrote: »

He just wants to visit you later in year , maybe stay a few nights.
Did you ask for his name and address ?

On a more serious note , my wife has left a doughnut in the fridge the last two days, told me it's hers and I'm not to eat it.

Its one of the ones with custard in it , if she had said nothing , I wouldn't have noticed .Should I eat it and blame kids , dog , burglars , goldfish etc ?

Please help ..

If it aint got jam in it dont eat it!

matchthis

mattjack wrote: »

He just wants to visit you later in year , maybe stay a few nights.
Did you ask for his name and address ?

On a more serious note , my wife has left a doughnut in the fridge the last two days, told me it's hers and I'm not to eat it.

Its one of the ones with custard in it , if she had said nothing , I wouldn't have noticed .Should I eat it and blame kids , dog , burglars , goldfish etc ?

Please help ..

Eat it! I had the same delemma on Friday. Now it's stale. Fecked if I'm gonna throw it out

Absoluvely

SamHall wrote: »

At a check point one night just outside newry, a psni lady officer asked me when my birthday was.

August 30th I said.

She rolled her eyes to heaven and said "what year?"

I rolled my eyes up to heaven too, and said "every fcukin year" and drove off towards carlingford.

Gummy Panda

mattjack wrote: »

He just wants to visit you later in year , maybe stay a few nights.
Did you ask for his name and address ?

On a more serious note , my wife has left a doughnut in the fridge the last two days, told me it's hers and I'm not to eat it.

Its one of the ones with custard in it , if she had said nothing , I wouldn't have noticed .Should I eat it and blame kids , dog , burglars , goldfish etc ?

Please help ..

Eat it and blame it on me

the groutch

mattjack wrote: »

He just wants to visit you later in year , maybe stay a few nights.
Did you ask for his name and address ?

On a more serious note , my wife has left a doughnut in the fridge the last two days, told me it's hers and I'm not to eat it.

Its one of the ones with custard in it , if she had said nothing , I wouldn't have noticed .Should I eat it and blame kids , dog , burglars , goldfish etc ?

Please help ..

Dough nuts? Just go nuts!

PizzamanIRL

Soby wrote: »

On a flight home from Edinburgh today police officer who I was stand beside just after the security check (was waiting for colleagues to get their belongings ) just randomly says hello asks can he get a few details off me.

Name
Address
Contact number
Flight Info

Was kinda so baffled by it I forgot to ask why but just being me gave it all. Was very weird. Any reason why men women and Ogres of AH ?

He was just making conversation. You were meant to ask his details too. It's the new 'ASL'

MadsL

Correct answer is "I don't answer questions"

What ever response is givem then ask "Am I free to go"

If no...

"Are you detaining me?"

If yes...

"Under what law? For what purpose?"

If no...

"Then am I free to go?"

You have a right to silence even at an airport.

wicklowstevo

and you ll spend the next 12 hours looking at the inside of a cell door drinking **** coffee and wondering what that smell is , and rightly so hahahahahaha

Cody Pomeray

Are you sure this wasn't just airport "police" OP?

Funny guys.

fasttalkerchat

I think you're better to give your first name and then move a few paces away.
You have he right to ignore him but he can follow you to your car and when you're driving he can ask for ID.

MadsL

wicklowstevo wrote: »

and you ll spend the next 12 hours looking at the inside of a cell door drinking **** coffee and wondering what that smell is , and rightly so hahahahahaha

Excuse me?

Would you care to explain under what law that a police officer can request your phone number and detain you if you refuse?

I'm all ears....

As for rightly so, are you saying that you believe a police officer has the right to demand whatever titbit of information he/she seeks without any reason being given?

DonkeyStyle \o/

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Just sussing you out to see how you reacted. Perfectly normal practice.

This is the correct answer.

This is why I fucking hate airports and flying... having people watch me to see if I'm acting nervous makes me nervous. Especially when, based on their perception (or level of boredom), I can be detained, strip-searched and asked personal questions to see if that makes me even more nervous. If I was up to anything I'd just smoke a joint, pop a few Xanax and breeze through the whole affair.

Reminds me of this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr9DI3YLOTA

Peregrine

Should have asked him if he was going to invite you to the Airport Policemen's Ball

To which he would have replied "Ma'am Airport Policemen don't have balls"


Ah classic

wicklowstevo

MadsL wrote: »

Excuse me?

Would you care to explain under what law that a police officer can request your phone number and detain you if you refuse?

I'm all ears....

As for rightly so, are you saying that you believe a police officer has the right to demand whatever titbit of information he/she seeks without any reason being given?

well how about the prevention of terrorism act perhaps as he was in the uk ? the misuse of drugs act ? the public order act ? or any number of other uk laws that aren't used here.
The fact that some one wandering around a airport attracting the attention of some one who may or may not be airport police who are basically the same a the security man in Tesco, should be spoken to simply to see what their reaction would be. Ever been stopped at a check point and asked where your coming from? do you really think the police man gives a tin **** where your coming from ? he usually wants to see if your drunk or extremely nervous or some other way acting strange.
I cant hep but wonder if your one of those extremely stupid freeman of the land plonkers. with the completely flawed understanding of the justice and social systems of a few country all the while going to state funded collage living in state subsides housing and or drawing dole. but sure what ever keeps ya happy eh

HurtLocker

MadsL wrote: »

Excuse me?

Would you care to explain under what law that a police officer can request your phone number and detain you if you refuse?

I'm all ears....

As for rightly so, are you saying that you believe a police officer has the right to demand whatever titbit of information he/she seeks without any reason being given?

Sheesh! In Ireland the only people who know there rights and are guilty of something!

Canis Lupus

MadsL wrote: »

Correct answer is "I don't answer questions"

What ever response is givem then ask "Am I free to go"

If no...

"Are you detaining me?"

If yes...

"Under what law? For what purpose?"

If no...

"Then am I free to go?"

You have a right to silence even at an airport.

OR you could just not be a douche and tell them..

MadsL

wicklowstevo wrote: »

well how about the prevention of terrorism act perhaps as he was in the uk ? the misuse of drugs act ? the public order act ? or any number of other uk laws that aren't used here.

Correct, they can ask for a phone number but there is no obligation to answer. The officer must also have reasonable suspicion and quote under which law if asked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_of_the_police_in_Scotland
http://www.scenethat.co.uk/assets/pdf/PoliceStopsLeafletEnglish09.pdf

The fact that some one wandering around a airport attracting the attention of some one who may or may not be airport police who are basically the same a the security man in Tesco, should be spoken to simply to see what their reaction would be.

My reaction is generally who are you and why do want to know?

Ever been stopped at a check point and asked where your coming from? do you really think the police man gives a tin **** where your coming from ? he usually wants to see if your drunk or extremely nervous or some other way acting strange.

Or looking for some reason to search your car. Saying nothing and presenting documents and refusing to ask further questions can often be to your advantage. For example, I have been doing a 3000 mile round trip working at festivals in the US recently - my truck is crammed with camping gear, answering "where have you come from" means giving the officer probable cause "they have drugs at music festivals" and a pain in the ass for me having to repack the truck. Being clear about my rights and not consenting to a search can save hassle, rather than causing it.

]I cant hep but wonder if your one of those extremely stupid freeman of the land plonkers.

I'm not. Do a search on Ben Gilroy in this forum.

with the completely flawed understanding of the justice and social systems of a few country

I'm pretty good on the US Constitution, especially the 1st, 2nd and 4th amendments. I lived in the UK for more than half my life.

all the while going to state funded collage

Nope

living in state subsides housing and or drawing dole.

In the US. C'mon.

but sure what ever keeps ya happy eh

Perhaps you might actually think about what your rights are, rather than just doing as you are told. I'm happy to be protected by the US Constitution rather than living in the proto-police state that is the UK (and Ireland which is increasingly becoming one too.)

MadsL

Canis Lupus wrote: »

OR you could just not be a douche and tell them..

I don't give my phone number to strangers (unless they are very attractive) do you?

Not complying with an illegal request from a police officer =/= being a douche. You are well within your rights to establish your identity and then ask to leave.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2010/jun/09/what-information-am-i-obliged-to-give-to-a-policeman

MadsL

Incidentally, just to be clear; I have utmost respect for Law Enforcement, even to the point of considering joining once I become a citizen, however I have greater respect for the rights of the citizen. Exercising your rights should not be viewed with suspicion.

Canis Lupus

MadsL wrote: »

I don't give my phone number to strangers (unless they are very attractive) do you?

Not complying with an illegal request from a police officer =/= being a douche. You are well within your rights to establish your identity and then ask to leave.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2010/jun/09/what-information-am-i-obliged-to-give-to-a-policeman

I was in the airport once and asked to show my passport, name and address. They did a PnC check, took 2 mins and I was on my merry way. No need in these situations to start refusing to provide information, asking if I'm being detained etc as it makes no ones life easier.

MadsL

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I was in the airport once and asked to show my passport, name and address. They did a PnC check, took 2 mins and I was on my merry way. No need in these situations to start refusing to provide information, asking if I'm being detained etc as it makes no ones life easier.

Did they ask for your phone number?

Thought not.

Is there a limit to the personal information you would give up if asked? Name of your partner? Where you work? Name of your boss?

Just wondering

And I have already shown you one of the circumstances under which I would refuse to answer, did you not read that?

Also, was this at a police/immigration/passport control desk or randomly inside the airport?

qaf

MadsL wrote: »

Perhaps you might actually think about what your rights are, rather than just doing as you are told. I'm happy to be protected by the US Constitution rather than living in the proto-police state that is the UK (and Ireland which is increasingly becoming one too.)

You haven't had too much interaction with US police obviously. The charge the US police commonly use to arrest people at will is the disorderly conduct charge or the other all time favorite is the resisting arrest charge that remains after all the other charges are dropped. That is also known as getting charged for getting angry that you were getting arrested for no reason in the first place.

This is before you even consider that the court system in the US is typically so busy that you are likely to be put on some type of pretrial probation after your initial arraignment for months before you get your big day in court. The big day being likely that some assistant district attorney threatens you with jail time in the hallway of the courthouse to make you cop to some suspended sentence or probation followed by dismissal.

This is before you even get into how trigger happy the US police are and how the police shootings are investigated by elected district attorneys that are practically on television before the body is cold saying it looks like a clean shooting.

Most people in the world I would imagine would rather live in a country where the biggest inconvenience is getting asked your name and address once in a blue moon instead of having the parents of kids with mental/emotional problems worried to call the police because they are scarred the cops will end up killing their kid, or the parents of some pothead having their house surrounded by a bunch of Rambo cops because their kid had a warrant taken out on him because he didn't pay a $200 fine.

AudreyHepburn

Soby wrote: »

On a flight home from Edinburgh today police officer who I was stand beside just after the security check (was waiting for colleagues to get their belongings ) just randomly says hello asks can he get a few details off me.

Name
Address
Contact number
Flight Info

Was kinda so baffled by it I forgot to ask why but just being me gave it all. Was very weird. Any reason why men women and Ogres of AH ?

Not weird at all to be honest. He was most likely carrying out spot checks and checking reactions. Standard practice, nothing more.

You just tell him what he wants to know and be done.

Why can't police just do their jobs with about questioned?

_Kaiser_

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Why can't police just do their jobs with about questioned?

To be fair to MadsL, I can see where he's coming from - look at our own police force and its track record - the recent incidents of them apparently happily handing over confidential data on citizens for the Minister's personal/political point-scoring for example. There's a definite need for "questioning" there (the fact it rarely happens, or is ineffective when it does is another matter!). There should ALWAYS be effective independent oversight and review of the police.

Just because someone has a badge does not automatically make them somehow "better" than you to where you must automatically comply with any question or request/demand made. Don't forget their primary role is to protect and serve the public, not intimidate and harass them.

That said, responding as MadsL suggests is more than likely going to lead to an escalation of the situation given the police are used to ordinary joe public rolling over and the associated "god complex" that brings out in some of them (plenty of the latter type here in Ireland too!)

corktina

you were at an airport and someone asked you security questions....baffling!

AudreyHepburn

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

To be fair to MadsL, I can see where he's coming from - look at our own police force and its track record - the recent incidents of them apparently happily handing over confidential data on citizens for the Minister's personal/political point-scoring for example. There's a definite need for "questioning" there (the fact it rarely happens, or is ineffective when it does is another matter!). There should ALWAYS be effective independent oversight and review of the police.

Just because someone has a badge does not automatically make them somehow "better" than you to where you must automatically comply with any question or request/demand made. Don't forget their primary role is to protect and serve the public, not intimidate and harass them.

That said, responding as MadsL suggests is more than likely going to lead to an escalation of the situation given the police are used to ordinary joe public rolling over and the associated "god complex" that brings out in some of them (plenty of the latter type here in Ireland too!)

Very true. But what MadsL suggested was not intimidation or harrasment. It was a policeman doing his job.

Getting smart/cheeking or refusing to comply is the biggest mistake you could make, unless you want to appear guilty of something.

And please don't start with the garda-bashing/tarring with one brush - it's unecessary, wrong and irrelevant.

_Kaiser_

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

And please don't start with the garda-bashing/tarring with one brush - it's unecessary, wrong and irrelevant.

Have another read of what I wrote.. where did I say it applies to all of them?

The facts are though that there are far too many of our boys n girls in blue who are not fit for purpose for a variety of reasons and these individuals only serve to blacken the name of the force and the good work that IS done by their colleagues.

Unfortunately this problem seems to be systemic given some of the current Commissioner's actions - something many of the Gardai themselves have a problem with!

Respect (for anyone, not just the police) is earned not just given.

Plazaman

About 7 or 8 years ago after a holiday in Edinburgh, about 8 of us were flying home from Glasgow. Two of us had a drink in the bar beforehand but nothing major and no drunkeness was involved. As we got to the security area and these two racist knobs from the Strathclyde Police decided to pull the píss out of us with questions and smart remarks to our answers (i.e. oh ye were in Edinburgh, on the piss for the week eh?....probably didn't like our food did ye, no potatoes?....did ye see the Castle from the pub windows?).

Forced smiles and calm answers from us got us through.

bumper234

MadsL wrote: »

Perhaps you might actually think about what your rights are, rather than just doing as you are told. I'm happy to be protected by the US Constitution rather than living in the proto-police state that is the UK (and Ireland which is increasingly becoming one too.)

Hmmmm

Would this be the same USofA That has recently been caught spying on it's citizens?

Would this be the same USofA That has KILLED it's own citizens in a foreign country?

Would this be the same USofA That can hold kidnap you and hold you indefinitely without trial or access to a lawyer?

Would this be the same USofA That just throws the word "TERRORISM" into a sentence and this gives them the right to do what ever they wish?

Yeah seriously guy at the moment your so called constitution is worth less than toilet paper . The USA is more like a police state than any Euro country.

AudreyHepburn

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Have another read of what I wrote.. where did I say it applies to all of them?

The facts are though that there are far too many of our boys n girls in blue who are not fit for purpose for a variety of reasons and these individuals only serve to blacken the name of the force and the good work that IS done by their colleagues.

Unfortunately this problem seems to be systemic given some of the current Commissioner's actions - something many of the Gardai themselves have a problem with!

Respect (for anyone, not just the police) is earned not just given.

You mentioned their track record, as if it was something they all share.

And you mention that most of them aren't fit to work.

That's just not true, the problem is a few bad apples spoil the lot but you can't allow the actions of a few to colour your view of them all.

KeithTS

I was on my way to work, driving from Dublin to Limerick on Monday morning. There was a check point, my boot was searched and I was asked all about where I was going, who I worked for and a load of silly little questions.
know what I did? I answered them, I was thanked and told to have a good day, it was painless.

Some people here must have serious issues.
It's a couple of questions, answer them and be done. If you don't want to give something like your phone number you could also ask what they want it for?
Folk post pictures of their womb online when they're pregnant and give details of their bowel movements on an hourly basis so being asked where you live is hardly stressful.

_Kaiser_

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

You mentioned their track record, as if it was something they all share.

And you mention that most of them aren't fit to work.

That's just not true, the problem is a few bad apples spoil the lot but you can't allow the actions of a few to colour your view of them all.

As an organisation, yes they do. What's worse is that when one or two blew the whistle on the penalty points scandal for example, they were effectively ostracised by their "colleagues" and gagged by the commissioner himself which certainly suggests to me that it's more than a few involved.

That's just the latest example, but there's many more.

But this is going very O/T so I'll leave it there

RustyNut

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Why can't police just do their jobs with about questioned?

Why can't people just go about their business without being questioned?

bumper234

KeithTS wrote: »

I was on my way to work, driving from Dublin to Limerick on Monday morning. There was a check point, my boot was searched and I was asked all about where I was going, who I worked for and a load of silly little questions.
know what I did? I answered them, I was thanked and told to have a good day, it was painless.

Some people here must have serious issues.
It's a couple of questions, answer them and be done. If you don't want to give something like your phone number you could also ask what they want it for?
Folk post pictures of their womb online when they're pregnant and give details of their bowel movements on an hourly basis so being asked where you live is hardly stressful.

^^^BRAVO!

This is what you do. I am not one of these "if you are innocent then you have nothing to hide brigade" but i am also not one who advocates wasting police time by refusing to answer questions. Simple fact is this....The gardai can stop you and ask questions and if you refuse then you can be arrested and held for questioning. The fact that they don't do this is a testament to their patience with dealing with idiots.

RustyNut

bumper234 wrote: »

Simple fact is this....The gardai can stop you and ask questions and if you refuse then you can be arrested and held for questioning.

The simple fact here is that you are wrong. You can not be arrested for simply refusing to answer questions.

There are only a few very specific situations when a you are obliged to give your name and address to a Garda.

As a citizen you have rights to protect you. You should learn what they are before you lose them

bumper234

RustyNut wrote: »

The simple fact here is that you are wrong. You can not be arrested for simply refusing to answer questions.

There are only a few very specific situations when a you are obliged to give your name and address to a Garda.

As a citizen you have rights to protect you. You should learn what they are before you lose them

Hmmmm

This PDF from the Irish council of civil liberties says different


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=refusing%20to%20answer%20gardai%20who%20stopped%20me%20ireland&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iccl.ie%2Fattachments%2Fdownload%2F101%2FKnow%2520Your%2520Rights%2520Criminal%2520Justice%2520and%2520Garda%2520Powers.pdf&ei=IHDBUfKcIOaP7Aao5oGIBQ&usg=AFQjCNH5cUxprBytt58GTcKmU9yCj86Z-w

"If you do not give your name and address, A Garda may REQUIRE you to provide a name or address. For example, If a Garda suspects that you have committed a road traffic offense or a public order offense, The Garda can DEMAND your name and address. If you refuse to give your name and address you could be arrested.

Are you saying you are right and they are wrong?:rolleyes:

RustyNut

bumper234 wrote: »

Hmmmm

This PDF from the Irish council of civil liberties says different


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=refusing%20to%20answer%20gardai%20who%20stopped%20me%20ireland&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iccl.ie%2Fattachments%2Fdownload%2F101%2FKnow%2520Your%2520Rights%2520Criminal%2520Justice%2520and%2520Garda%2520Powers.pdf&ei=IHDBUfKcIOaP7Aao5oGIBQ&usg=AFQjCNH5cUxprBytt58GTcKmU9yCj86Z-w

"If you do not give your name and address, A Garda may REQUIRE you to provide a name or address. For example, If a Garda suspects that you have committed a road traffic offense or a public order offense, The Garda can DEMAND your name and address. If you refuse to give your name and address you could be arrested.

Are you saying you are right and they are wrong?:rolleyes:

As I said, under very specific circumstances you are obliged to identify your self and rightly so,if you refuse or do not satisfy the member as to your I'd you can be arrested to allow the Garda to establish your identity, not for questioning.

At no stage is refusal to answer questions reason to be arrested for questioning, in fact one of the first things you will be informed when getting arrested is that you have a right not to answer questions.

bumper234

bumper234 wrote: »

Hmmmm

This PDF from the Irish council of civil liberties says different


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=refusing%20to%20answer%20gardai%20who%20stopped%20me%20ireland&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iccl.ie%2Fattachments%2Fdownload%2F101%2FKnow%2520Your%2520Rights%2520Criminal%2520Justice%2520and%2520Garda%2520Powers.pdf&ei=IHDBUfKcIOaP7Aao5oGIBQ&usg=AFQjCNH5cUxprBytt58GTcKmU9yCj86Z-w

"If you do not give your name and address, A Garda may REQUIRE you to provide a name or address. For example, If a Garda suspects that you have committed a road traffic offense or a public order offense, The Garda can DEMAND your name and address. If you refuse to give your name and address you could be arrested.

Are you saying you are right and they are wrong?:rolleyes:

RustyNut wrote: »

As I said, under very specific circumstances you are obliged to identify your self and rightly so,if you refuse or do not satisfy the member as to your I'd you can be arrested to allow the Garda to establish your identity, not for questioning.

At no stage is refusal to answer questions reason to be arrested for questioning, in fact one of the first things you will be informed when getting arrested is that you have a right not to answer questions.

(1) Gardai asks you your name and address.

(2) You refuse to supply this

(3) Gardai arrest you and take you to the station

(4)In the interview room Gardai ask you again for your name and address

Is this not arresting you and questioning you?