VDSL Stats - Whats yours?

tdonegan1990

HellboundIRL wrote: »

I got the change a 30min ago

Before:


After:


(no vectoring btw)



I'm not getting the 70mb in speed or download tests though, speeds are the same as before.

Ring em

PeadarB

============================================================================
VDSL Training Status: Showtime
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
Traffic Type: PTM Mode
Link Uptime: 0 day: 23 hours: 40 minutes
============================================================================
VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Line Rate: 20.540 Mbps 87.211 Mbps
Actual Net Data Rate: 20.479 Mbps 87.041 Mbps
Trellis Coding: ON ON
SNR Margin: 9.4 dB 12.2 dB
Actual Delay: 5 ms 6 ms
Transmit Power: -14.0 dBm 12.3 dBm
Receive Power: -24.7 dBm -2.1 dBm
Actual INP: 2.0 symbols 2.0 symbols
Total Attenuation: 10.6 dB 14.5 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate: 23.579 Mbps 111.928 Mbps
============================================================================
VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): 2.3 13.6 20.0 N/A 8.1 18.6 29.7
Signal Attenuation(dB): 2.3 12.6 18.3 N/A 10.6 18.4 29.7
SNR Margin(dB): 9.5 9.4 9.4 N/A 11.9 12.0 11.9
Transmit Power(dBm):-25.0 -16.1 -19.3 N/A 7.7 7.9 7.1
============================================================================

On a fixed rate 85/20 profile.

KeRbDoG

KeRbDoG wrote: »

Cool, will call tomorrow so

Working with a very helpful Eircom tech support lad, I've had a lines technician check my line and it turns out that I have some sort of noise on my line.
Another person coming tomorrow/Monday to hopefully ID the interference source. If that source is found/removed/fixed then my SNR stats will get better so hopefully my upload will improve. More as I know

GLCC

lads,

I was switched to a 100/20 profile earlier this week as vectoring was enabled om my line. I am getting speeds of 90 / 18 on a fixed line but only 30/17 on wireless ( on 3 different devices )Do you think that the router just isnt capable of anything higher wirelessy and do i need to think about changing it for something a bit better ?

fat-tony

Wireless speeds are dependant on the capability of the router and the devices. I know that the VF router is theoretically capable of "N" grade but the best we have seen is 50Mb download on wireless. Other devices will bring speeds down to the lowest common denominator, so cheapie tablet or phone will degrade wireless speeds for all. You have to question though, whether you actually need really high speeds on most wireless devices unless you are downloading huge files. Streaming of full HD should be possible using 10-12 Mb/s of bandwidth. The problem with wireless is its "bursty" nature so it's difficult to guarantee continuous uncontested downloads when other devices are calling for attention. If you spend serious money on a wireless router you may well get better performance but you need to plan your configuration and ensure all devices are up to scratch.

GLCC

cheers fat-tony. I am very happy with current speed. Just being a bit greedy I suppose knowing that is is capable of more....

AlanS181824

The main reason I'm choosing Fibre over UPC is that most of my devices get around 40Mb on wireless so 200Mb would be pointless to me. I wonder when the Carlow cabinets will be Vector enabled.

crawler

fat-tony wrote: »

Wireless speeds are dependant on the capability of the router and the devices. I know that the VF router is theoretically capable of "N" grade but the best we have seen is 50Mb download on wireless. Other devices will bring speeds down to the lowest common denominator, so cheapie tablet or phone will degrade wireless speeds for all. You have to question though, whether you actually need really high speeds on most wireless devices unless you are downloading huge files. Streaming of full HD should be possible using 10-12 Mb/s of bandwidth. The problem with wireless is its "bursty" nature so it's difficult to guarantee continuous uncontested downloads when other devices are calling for attention. If you spend serious money on a wireless router you may well get better performance but you need to plan your configuration and ensure all devices are up to scratch.

The HG658c has indeed 802.11n with mimo but you need 802.11n with mimo on the client side too....

crawler

AlanS181824 wrote: »

The main reason I'm choosing Fibre over UPC is that most of my devices get around 40Mb on wireless so 200Mb would be pointless to me. I wonder when the Carlow cabinets will be Vector enabled.

Witihn the next week all cabinets should be done.

OneEightSeven

crawler wrote: »

Witihn the next week all cabinets should be done.

What about the cabinets constructed in the future, do you know how long it will take for vectoring to be enabled when they go live?

Nonoperational

You'd imagine it will be enabled straight off.

adox

Line standard VDSL2
Channel type
None
Downstream line rate (kbit/s) 50170
Upstream line rate (kbit/s) 15358
Downstream SNR (dB) 11.5
Upstream SNR (dB) 14.3
Downstream line attenuation (dB) 13.7
Upstream line attenuation (dB) 5.3
Downstream output power (dBmV) 14.1
Upstream output power (dBmV) 0.9
Downstream CRC 0
Upstream CRC 0
Downstream FEC 11648
Upstream FEC 44

approx 500 metres from the cab following the road.
No idea if I should try and get the profile raised or not?

fat-tony

crawler wrote: »

The HG658c has indeed 802.11n with mimo but you need 802.11n with mimo on the client side too....

Have a client (one!) with 802.11n but still no joy!. The setup on the router seems to be b or g or b/g or b/g/n (my setting). Never seems to connect with the n client (even if all others are off) at over 50/60 Mb.

Nonoperational

adox wrote: »

Line standard VDSL2
Channel type
None
Downstream line rate (kbit/s) 50170
Upstream line rate (kbit/s) 15358
Downstream SNR (dB) 11.5
Upstream SNR (dB) 14.3
Downstream line attenuation (dB) 13.7
Upstream line attenuation (dB) 5.3
Downstream output power (dBmV) 14.1
Upstream output power (dBmV) 0.9
Downstream CRC 0
Upstream CRC 0
Downstream FEC 11648
Upstream FEC 44

approx 500 metres from the cab following the road.
No idea if I should try and get the profile raised or not?

Maybe could go to 60Mbit, but hold on a while for vectoring if it's not enabled and you definitely will.

crawler

OneEightSeven wrote: »

What about the cabinets constructed in the future, do you know how long it will take for vectoring to be enabled when they go live?

Enabled on install

dazdrog

is vectoring enabled in drogheda? my isp is magnet am on the fatpipe 70mb package but only get 50mb due to distance from cab.

the technicolor modem they send out does not tell you the total attainable net data rate like the eircom ones do so ive no idea myself

line stats are the same as they where on install 4-5 months ago



Line Rate (Down / Up) 51199 Kbps / 20479 Kbps
Noise Margin (Down / Up) 10.1 dB / 8.5 dB
Attenuation (Down / Up) 14 dB / 5.1 dB

OneEightSeven

dazdrog wrote: »

is vectoring enabled in drogheda? my isp is magnet am on the fatpipe 70mb package but only get 50mb due to distance from cab.

the technicolor modem they send out does not tell you the total attainable net data rate like the eircom ones do so ive no idea myself

line stats are the same as they where on install 4-5 months ago



Line Rate (Down / Up) 51199 Kbps / 20479 Kbps
Noise Margin (Down / Up) 10.1 dB / 8.5 dB
Attenuation (Down / Up) 14 dB / 5.1 dB

Bad news: Vectoring isn't enabled because your downstream noise margin is low.
Good news: A line attenuation of 14dB means your line can handle faster profile and should achieve 100Mb when vectoring is enabled.
Bad news: Your noise margin may be too low for a 70Mb profile, your line could handle 60Mb.
Bad news: Your ISP is Magnet.

Just ring 'em and ask can your line be bumped to a faster profile.

Mickalus

Bog Standard User wrote: »

with those stats

60/20mb should be possible
70/20mb if there is no line faults

Got my profile changed again there

============================================================================
VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Line Rate: 20.549 Mbps 71.812 Mbps
Actual Net Data Rate: 20.479 Mbps 71.672 Mbps
Trellis Coding: ON ON
SNR Margin: 8.4 dB 9.8 dB
Actual Delay: 4 ms 7 ms
Transmit Power: 2.3 dBm 13.9 dBm
Receive Power: -17.4 dBm -4.7 dBm
Actual INP: 2.0 symbols 3.0 symbols
Total Attenuation: 19.7 dB 18.6 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate: 28.714 Mbps 95.528 Mbps
============================================================================

domeld

From cisco 887:

DS Channel1 DS Channel0 US Channel1 US Channel0
Speed (kbps): 0 100016 0 20479
SRA Previous Speed: 0 0 0 0
Previous Speed: 0 100016 0 20479
Reed-Solomon EC: 0 4513 0 51593
CRC Errors: 0 4683 0 3
Header Errors: 0 0 0 0
Interleave (ms): 0.00 5.00 0.00 4.00
Actual INP: 0.00 2.00 0.00 2.00

Noise Margin: 12.7 dB 8.2 dB
Attainable Rate: 137743 kbits/s 28143 kbits/s
Actual Power: 13.0 dBm -23.1 dBm
Per Band Status: D1 D2 D3 U0 U1 U2 U3
Line Attenuation(dB): 3.3 7.0 10.9 1.6 5.1 6.4 N/A
Signal Attenuation(dB): 3.3 7.0 10.9 1.6 4.7 5.6 N/A
Noise Margin(dB): 0.0 0.0 0.0 8.2 8.2 8.2 N/A
Total FECC: 5652 56101

Bog Standard User

HellboundIRL wrote: »

I got the change a 30min ago

Before:


After:


(no vectoring btw)



I'm not getting the 70mb in speed or download tests though, speeds are the same as before.

vectoring is not enabled in carlow yet... but planned soon

Bog Standard User

GLCC wrote: »

lads,

I was switched to a 100/20 profile earlier this week as vectoring was enabled om my line. I am getting speeds of 90 / 18 on a fixed line but only 30/17 on wireless ( on 3 different devices )Do you think that the router just isnt capable of anything higher wirelessy and do i need to think about changing it for something a bit better ?

wireless n is limited to max 50mb through put

wireless g is limited to max 27mb through put

add just one wireless g device on your network and all wireless devices run at wireless g speeds

Bog Standard User

dazdrog wrote: »

is vectoring enabled in drogheda? my isp is magnet am on the fatpipe 70mb package but only get 50mb due to distance from cab.

the technicolor modem they send out does not tell you the total attainable net data rate like the eircom ones do so ive no idea myself

line stats are the same as they where on install 4-5 months ago



Line Rate (Down / Up) 51199 Kbps / 20479 Kbps
Noise Margin (Down / Up) 10.1 dB / 8.5 dB
Attenuation (Down / Up) 14 dB / 5.1 dB

vectoring is enabled on most cabs in drogheda but im not sure if magnet have pushed out the vectoring firmware yet to their modems

all eircom modems come with an auto firmware update when the modem is first installed to enable vectoring

dazdrog

Bog Standard User wrote: »

vectoring is enabled on most cabs in drogheda but im not sure if magnet have pushed out the vectoring firmware yet to their modems

all eircom modems come with an auto firmware update when the modem is first installed to enable vectoring

cheers for the reply, am looking at a friends here and cant understand this, he has 2 cabs within 500meters of him and his attenuation says otherwise

VDSL Training Status: Showtime
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
Traffic Type: PTM Mode
Link Uptime: 3 days: 15 hours: 6 minutes
============================================================================
VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Line Rate: 15.418 Mbps 50.268 Mbps
Actual Net Data Rate: 15.358 Mbps 50.170 Mbps
Trellis Coding: ON ON
SNR Margin: 13.4 dB 16.1 dB
Actual Delay: 4 ms 8 ms
Transmit Power: - 7.5 dBm 11.2 dBm
Receive Power: -23.2 dBm -6.0 dBm
Actual INP: 2.0 symbols 3.0 symbols
Total Attenuation: 15.8 dB 17.2 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate: 29.954 Mbps 94.056 Mbps
============================================================================
VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): 4.7 19.2 27.8 N/A 11.3 24.8 37.5
Signal Attenuation(dB): 4.7 18.7 26.6 N/A 9.8 24.6 37.5
SNR Margin(dB): 13.4 13.4 13.4 N/A 16.1 16.1 16.1
Transmit Power(dBm):-20.1 -10.5 -10.9 N/A 3.3 7.8 6.9
============================================================================

ED E

Bog Standard User wrote: »

vectoring is enabled on most cabs in drogheda but im not sure if magnet have pushed out the vectoring firmware yet to their modems

all eircom modems come with an auto firmware update when the modem is first installed to enable vectoring

They have to have. If vectoring was enabled and magnet CPE wasnt compliant all their customers would shut off.

It may be the case that their original FW had vectoring support so an update was never required.

AmilcarAlho

My stats on a 80/20 profile on 28/03, Business package:

============================================================================
    VDSL Training Status:   Showtime
                    Mode:   VDSL2 Annex B
            VDSL Profile:   Profile 17a
            Traffic Type:   PTM Mode
             Link Uptime:   0 day: 0 hour: 1 minute
============================================================================
       VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
               Line Rate:     20.549 Mbps       82.060 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate:     20.479 Mbps       81.918 Mbps
          Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
              SNR Margin:       11.0 dB           10.8 dB
            Actual Delay:          4 ms              7 ms
          Transmit Power:      - 1.7 dBm          13.3 dBm
           Receive Power:      -19.6 dBm           0.4 dBm
              Actual INP:        2.0 symbols       2.0 symbols
       Total Attenuation:       18.0 dB           13.8 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate:     32.539 Mbps      110.324 Mbps
============================================================================
      VDSL Band Status    U0      U1      U2      U3      D1      D2      D3
  Line Attenuation(dB):  4.6    24.1    35.3     N/A    13.0    30.8    46.7   
Signal Attenuation(dB):  4.6    23.3    34.0     N/A    10.6    30.5    46.7   
        SNR Margin(dB): 11.7    11.3    10.8     N/A    10.5    10.6    10.6   
   Transmit Power(dBm):-15.6   - 6.2   - 3.8     N/A    10.1     8.0     7.1   
============================================================================

As for speedtest, for some reason that Eircom are unable to identify so far, even after a change in profile to 70/20, even though max att download is over 100 at present:



Will have to escalate further, as KN networks found no issues with the line.

jmcc

============================================================================
    VDSL Training Status:   Showtime
                    Mode:   VDSL2 Annex B
            VDSL Profile:   Profile 17a
            Traffic Type:   PTM Mode
             Link Uptime:   0 day: 0 hour: 7 minutes
============================================================================
       VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
               Line Rate:     20.326 Mbps       71.812 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate:     20.292 Mbps       71.672 Mbps
          Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
              SNR Margin:        5.9 dB           16.3 dB
            Actual Delay:          8 ms              6 ms
          Transmit Power:      - 3.0 dBm          12.7 dBm
           Receive Power:      -23.2 dBm          -7.0 dBm
              Actual INP:        2.0 symbols       2.0 symbols
       Total Attenuation:       20.2 dB           19.7 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate:     21.413 Mbps      120.212 Mbps
============================================================================
      VDSL Band Status    U0      U1      U2      U3      D1      D2      D3
  Line Attenuation(dB):  7.9    23.2    32.5     N/A    14.4    29.3    43.7   
Signal Attenuation(dB):  7.9    22.6    31.5     N/A    16.0    29.1    43.6   
        SNR Margin(dB):  6.0     5.8     5.9     N/A    15.9    15.9    15.9   
   Transmit Power(dBm):-16.7   - 7.1   - 5.5     N/A     8.8     7.7     7.1   
============================================================================

Ditto on the Speedtests but the profile change has only been applied in the last half hour. The bandwidth to the cabinet seems to have changed but the old 50Mb/s profile still applies beyond it. (Or that's how it looks at the moment.)

Took a while but now operating at 70/20.

Regards...jmcc

AlanS181824

Bog Standard User wrote: »

vectoring is not enabled in carlow yet... but planned soon

Have you any idea when it will be by any chance?

Dublin_Gunner

============================================================================
VDSL Training Status: Showtime
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
Traffic Type: PTM Mode
Link Uptime: 0 day: 1 hour: 42 minutes
============================================================================
VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Line Rate: 16.447 Mbps 43.156 Mbps
Actual Net Data Rate: 16.383 Mbps 43.009 Mbps
Trellis Coding: ON ON
SNR Margin: 11.7 dB 25.6 dB
Actual Delay: 4 ms 8 ms
Transmit Power: -15.6 dBm 13.3 dBm
Receive Power: -25.6 dBm 0.8 dBm
Actual INP: 2.0 symbols 3.0 symbols
Total Attenuation: 10.0 dB 12.4 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate: 23.651 Mbps 104.604 Mbps
============================================================================
VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): 2.3 12.3 18.0 N/A 7.6 17.1 27.8
Signal Attenuation(dB): 2.3 11.6 16.6 N/A 9.8 16.9 27.7
SNR Margin(dB): 11.7 11.8 11.7 N/A 25.5 25.6 25.7
Transmit Power(dBm):-26.4 -17.5 -21.2 N/A 10.1 7.9 6.9
============================================================================

Approx 200m from cabinet. Would like the downstream uped a bit if possible (seems to be just about able to handle a decent bump in speed) have eVision also (dunno if that affects the max speed they'll give you).

Nonoperational

Ah you have loads of room there for a big increase.

AlanS181824

Does any know when the providers (Vodafone, Eircom, Digiweb, Magnet etc.) will start advertising the vectored speeds? IE up to 100Mb. Thanks.

Edit: Was meant to post this to the Vectoring thread.