is the car sale man just trying to sell a car in stock

gumgum1

hi my mother in law done adeal to buy a new car on Thursday today the car sales man rang her back to say she Will be waiting eight to ten weeks for it she wanted in black this seems long he told he had the car in stock in silver but would cost her extra to get this one as it has Bluetooth on it so my question is eight to ten weeks average waiting time or are they just trying to sell her the car they have in stock

R.O.R

What car?

8-10 weeks is a fairly average wait time for most factory orders. Likely to be worse at this time of year due to factory summer shutdowns.

Damokc

Sometimes I think I have dyslexia when reading some posts.

YbFocus

No your mother in law is after ordering a specific car. The car is not available in this country in the stock currently here so has to come from the factory of the manufacturer in question.
This is a slightly longer time than I would think is normal, its usually closer to 5-6 weeks with anyone I know that has waited for a new car.

But no they ain't trying to do her over, just offering another car if she doesn't want to wait.

Anan1

gumgum1 wrote: »

hi my mother in law done adeal to buy a new car on Thursday today the car sales man rang her back to say she Will be waiting eight to ten weeks for it she wanted in black this seems long he told he had the car in stock in silver but would cost her extra to get this one as it has Bluetooth on it so my question is eight to ten weeks average waiting time or are they just trying to sell her the car they have in stock

It sounds to me like they're just giving her another option.

gumgum1

R.O.R wrote: »

What car?

8-10 weeks is a fairly average wait time for most factory orders. Likely to be worse at this time of year due to factory summer shutdowns.

thanks an opel insignia just taught he might be trying to pull a fast one as he tried to talk her out of ordering it in black in the first place

YbFocus

Damokc wrote: »

Sometimes I think I have dyslexia when reading some posts.

Anan1

gumgum1 wrote: »

thanks an opel insignia just taught he might be trying to pull a fast one as he tried to talk her out of black

FWIW, I wouldn't buy a black car myself - they show every mark, and they absorb lots of heat in the sunlight.

mickdw

They want more money for a car in stock. No chance. Ask him for the full spec on the stock car and then make him an offer. I certainly wouldnt be giving him any extra, bluetooth or no bluetooth.

R.O.R

gumgum1 wrote: »

thanks an opel insignia just taught he might be trying to pull a fast one as he tried to talk her out of black

It's possible it may take 8-10 weeks, it's likely it will take a lot longer if she waits.

Order bank for MY13 cars is about to close. There will be a period where no orders are taken, then orders can be re-submitted but cars won't be in until September / October.

Happens with the Insignia around this time every year. Haven't ordered one for a couple of weeks (and took one from stock in a different colour to avoid this situation) but it would have been touch and go if it was a factory order as to whether it was built before or after Holidays.

Take the Bluetooth, It's only €363 but say you'll only pay €350.

MuppetCheck

I ordered a factory build Opel in mid Feb and it's only due into the garage this weekend. I'd take the stock car if she liked the colour tbh. I was told the old 8 week bit at the start too...

michael999999

MuppetCheck wrote: »

I ordered a factory build Opel in mid Feb and it's only due into the garage this weekend. I'd take the stock car if she liked the colour tbh. I was told the old 8 week bit at the start too...

Jesus, and they wonder why car sales are so poor!

bazz26

Opel Insignia is getting a facelift in September included revamped Ecoflex engines so if she is waiting 8-10 weeks she might as well wait and buy the facelifted model.

K.Flyer

michael999999 wrote: »

Jesus, and they wonder why car sales are so poor!

Its the same in our business as well, nobody carries the slower moving stock anymore, everything has to be ordered in now. Sometimes its days, sometimes its a week or so.

gumgum1

michael999999 wrote: »

Jesus, and they wonder why car sales are so poor!

exactly ! she dose not like the colour as its the same colour as the car she is trading in

the culture of deference

gumgum1 wrote: »

thanks an opel insignia just taught he might be trying to pull a fast one as he tried to talk her out of ordering it in black in the first place

Did he tell her about the facelift version?

coylemj

the culture of deference wrote: »

Did he tell her about the facelift version?

He wouldn't last long as a salesman if he started giving people reasons to delay making a purchase. The last thing you want is to send someone away and then see them change their minds and buy a different make or just decide to do nothing because it's so late in the year that they might as well wait and get a '141' plate.

In fairness, they'd have to close the factory until September if salesmen started telling customers about upcoming changes to models.

Caveat Emptor and all that.

Victor

Are you sure the car in-stock is the same and doesn't have any defects? I wouldn#t pay extra in a situation like this - does you mother in law even want Bluetooth?

gumgum1

she is buying the car vrt and vat exempt he has her totally confused he said the car is twenty six thousand four hundred and keeps changing the asking price can any one tell me what she should be paying any help would be much

R.O.R

What's the exact model, and what extra's?

endacl

Damokc wrote: »

Sometimes I think I have dyslexia when reading some posts.

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gumgum1

R.O.R wrote: »

What's the exact model, and what extra's?

its an opel insignia 1.4 petrol with metallic paint and alloys that's all he told her sorry if this is not much help

galwaytt

gumgum1 wrote: »

its an opel insignia 1.4 petrol with metallic paint and alloys that's all he told her sorry if this is not much help

1.4 petrol ?
I didn't know such a small engined version existed. ..

racso1975

http://www.twincam.ie/reports/roadtest/Large/Insignia1.4Turbo.html

R.O.R

gumgum1 wrote: »

its an opel insignia 1.4 petrol with metallic paint and alloys that's all he told her sorry if this is not much help

Narrows the number of vehicles down. Retail & VRT figures are:

4dr
1.4T S - €24,995 - VRT=€4,049
1.4T SC - €26,795 - VRT=€4,340
1.4T SE - €28,495 - VRT=€4,616

5dr
1.4T S - €25,395 - VRT=€4,113
1.4T SC - €27,195 - VRT=€4,405
1.4T SE - €28,895 - VRT=€4,680

Options:
Metallic Paint - €535 - VRT=€86
Plus Pack (Alloys & Front Fogs) S&SC - €727 - VRT=€117
Plus Pack SE - €823 - VRT=€133
Bluetooth S - €391 - VRT=€63
Bluetooth SC&SE - €339 - VRT=€54

To get the ex. VAT, ex. VRT retail figures take the retail price, take off the VRT amount and divide by 1.23

e.g.
1.4T SC 5dr with Metallic, Plus Pack and Bluetooth
Retail inc. taxes €28,796 (27,195+535+727+339)
VRT €4,662 (4,405+86+117+54)

Retail ex. VRT = €24,134 (28,796 - 4,662)
Retail ex. all tax = €19,621.14 (28,796 / 1.23)

No idea what official delivery charge is on an Opel. Say €750, or €609.76 ex. VAT (No VRT) would give a maximum of €20,230.90 exclusive of VAT and VRT to pay for an Insignia 1.4T 5dr SC with metallic, plus pack and bluetooth.

Should be some discount to come off that amount as well as there is a fair margin for dealers on the Insignia.

If you can find out exactly what model it is then you should be able to work out the ex. VAT ex. VRT figures from the info above.

This is all based on current (Model Year 13) Insignia's.

_Kaiser_

I'd say hold off for the facelift model and in the colour she wants myself. Sure it'll mean a few extra weeks, but at least she'll be happy rather than possibly regretting that she settled.

MrDerp

I think you need to speak to the dealer with her. Get your facts together and go in showing you know what the story is.

Trying to encourage her into a stock vehicle and then trying to charge for bluetooth? If there's a facelifted model coming in September they'll be giving stuff like bluetooth free in a couple of months to sell the older mark.

He's being a little sharp, so don't be afraid to be sharp back. I would have thought there's a deal to be done with a facelift coming soon. Shop around the Opel garages if you have to - they should have access to the same stock and it's a good opportunity to get a few free extras with "Sure I can just wait for a 141 plate / facelift model" as your bargaining chip. Dealers will be under pressure to sell 132 plates

Drummerboy08

there is no extra bonus on insignia at the minute because of the facelift model coming in.

if you go for the factory option I'd imagine you'll be waiting more like 14 weeks for it, never mind 8. that's how long it's taking at the minute for most factory orders with Opel.

Btw, Bluetooth is still a cost to the dealer. how exactly is he supposed to give it away for free?

MrDerp

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

there is no extra bonus on insignia at the minute because of the facelift model coming in.

if you go for the factory option I'd imagine you'll be waiting more like 14 weeks for it, never mind 8. that's how long it's taking at the minute for most factory orders with Opel.

Btw, Bluetooth is still a cost to the dealer. how exactly is he supposed to give it away for free?

He's not. He just makes it sound like he is, when in reality he's discounting on the price of the car - you know, to make a sale in this Quarter

mickdw

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Btw, Bluetooth is still a cost to the dealer. how exactly is he supposed to give it away for free?

Because maybe there is some more room for bargaining in the deal and because the buyer didn't want bluetooth and because he is now offering a car from stock in a colour that was not chosen. I wouldn't be paying for it anyway and it would be a complete deal breaker. Shop around I say.

Drummerboy08

how do you know that there is any discount left to give away?

Dermighty

gumgum1 wrote: »

she is buying the car vrt and vat exempt he has her totally confused he said the car is twenty six thousand four hundred and keeps changing the asking price can any one tell me what she should be paying any help would be much

Well, tell him to go **** himself and buy the car somewhere else. It's fairly simple.

mickdw

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

how do you know that there is any discount left to give away?

Well if the ops mother in law got the last penny out of the salesman specially with vrt rebate involved and given that she was not entirely clear on the vrt and vat figures, I would be amazed.

Drummerboy08

mickdw wrote: »

Because maybe there is some more room for bargaining in the deal and because the buyer didn't want bluetooth and because he is now offering a car from stock in a colour that was not chosen. I wouldn't be paying for it anyway and it would be a complete deal breaker. Shop around I say.

Fair enough, don't take the car in stock and wait 14 weeks for the new one!

Then, because you realise you actually need to have Bluetooth in the car you'll end up with a nasty Parrot kit on the dash instead of paying the small amount more for factory Bluetooth.

I do agree, I wouldn't expect to pay full price for Bluetooth in this case, however I think it's slightly unreasonable to expect it for free. You can't not want to wait the load time for the exact car you want but yet expect someone else to take a hit on a different car because it's not what you want either?!

would you go into a sweet shop and demand that they give you Chocolate Aero for free because you wanted a mint one but they didn't have any on the shelf?!

Drummerboy08

Dermighty wrote: »

Well, tell him to go **** himself and buy the car somewhere else. It's fairly simple.

Brilliant, you'll go far.

mickdw

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Fair enough, don't take the car in stock and wait 14 weeks for the new one!

Then, because you realise you actually need to have Bluetooth in the car you'll end up with a nasty Parrot kit on the dash instead of paying the small amount more for factory Bluetooth.

I do agree, I wouldn't expect to pay full price for Bluetooth in this case, however I think it's slightly unreasonable to expect it for free. You can't not want to wait the load time for the exact car you want but yet expect someone else to take a hit on a different car because it's not what you want either?!

would you go into a sweet shop and demand that they give you Chocolate Aero for free because you wanted a mint one but they didn't have any on the shelf?!

Making the case for the Blue tooth is not relevant here. She was ordering the car without it. That her choice. Yes personally I get the factory option and I detest those after market things but I think the dealer is more interested in selling the car from stock than the buyer hence the reason a deal could be done.
I wouldn't be looking for the complete car free just cause it's the wrong colour just like I wouldn't be looking for the wrong bar completely free in the sweet shop.

R.O.R

I don't know for sure, but I reckon that any fresh orders for Insignia's will be MY14 cars that won't be built until September at the very earliest. That means October delivery, or waiting until 2014 for the new car.

If the OP's mum wants a car now, then it's take what's available and negotiate the price as well as possible, or be prepared to wait. Saleman isn't liklely to give the full story on possible wait times as it will cost a sale, and I think Drummerboy is being a bit hopeful on 14 weeks. That's what they've been taking so far this year, but factory closes for the whole of August and we usually hit the same situation at this time every year.

the culture of deference

the culture of deference wrote: »

Did he tell her about the facelift version?

coylemj wrote: »

He wouldn't last long as a salesman if he started giving people reasons to delay making a purchase.

Salespeople should be obliged to tell potential purchasers about facelift versions and new models.

MrDerp wrote: »

I think you need to speak to the dealer with her. Get your facts together and go in showing you know what the story is.

OP you need to go to at least 2 other Opel dealers. Ask to deal with the top salesman only. Tell them exactly what you want. Get written quotes.

smokey20

I put an order on a new Opel Mokka back at the middle of Jan - was told a 12, possibly 16 week delivery time.... after 16 wks was up, I was told that it is looking more like delivery date sometime in August... heaven knows what they would have told me come August time.

I cancelled order, got deposit back and placed order with a different car manufacturer on the 7th June with a guaranteed delivery during the 1st week of July.

Lando Griffin

If people are holding off for 132 plates and it will take non stock orders 14 weeks min with factory shut downs in September it will mean it will be Oct - Nov when you finally get your 132 plate.
I think SIMI have a bigger problem in 132.

gumgum1

R.O.R wrote: »

Narrows the number of vehicles down. Retail & VRT figures are:

4dr
1.4T S - €24,995 - VRT=€4,049
1.4T SC - €26,795 - VRT=€4,340
1.4T SE - €28,495 - VRT=€4,616

5dr
1.4T S - €25,395 - VRT=€4,113
1.4T SC - €27,195 - VRT=€4,405
1.4T SE - €28,895 - VRT=€4,680

Options:
Metallic Paint - €535 - VRT=€86
Plus Pack (Alloys & Front Fogs) S&SC - €727 - VRT=€117
Plus Pack SE - €823 - VRT=€133
Bluetooth S - €391 - VRT=€63
Bluetooth SC&SE - €339 - VRT=€54

To get the ex. VAT, ex. VRT retail figures take the retail price, take off the VRT amount and divide by 1.23

e.g.
1.4T SC 5dr with Metallic, Plus Pack and Bluetooth
Retail inc. taxes €28,796 (27,195+535+727+339)
VRT €4,662 (4,405+86+117+54)

Retail ex. VRT = €24,134 (28,796 - 4,662)
Retail ex. all tax = €19,621.14 (28,796 / 1.23)

No idea what official delivery charge is on an Opel. Say €750, or €609.76 ex. VAT (No VRT) would give a maximum of €20,230.90 exclusive of VAT and VRT to pay for an Insignia 1.4T 5dr SC with metallic, plus pack and bluetooth.

Should be some discount to come off that amount as well as there is a fair margin for dealers on the Insignia.

If you can find out exactly what model it is then you should be able to work out the ex. VAT ex. VRT figures from the info above.

This is all based on current (Model Year 13) Insignia's.

thanks for your reply and all your information my oh went in with his mother and got it all wrote down she was confused with the price she was offered for her car she taught he said 3000 trade in but when its broken down its only two thousand and that's how we could not figure out what she should be paying overall now she is gettin a great deal now and is takin the car in stock with blue tooth and only a little extra for the blue tooth thanks everyone for your help

yop

gumgum1 wrote: »

thanks for your reply and all your information my oh went in with his mother and got it all wrote down she was confused with the price she was offered for her car she taught he said 3000 trade in but when its broken down its only two thousand and that's how we could not figure out what she should be paying overall now she is gettin a great deal now and is takin the car in stock with blue tooth and only a little extra for the blue tooth thanks everyone for your help

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