Ford Mondeo 2008 TDCi 1.8 LX Mileage 210000 km. Worth buying?

Deedsie

Hi, hope someone could give me an opinion on this. I was looking at buying a Ford Mondeo 2008 TDCi 1.8 LX. Mileage 210000 km?

Would this car be worth buying or is the mileage too high for a five years old car?

I know the seller well, it was never crashed but there a few bumps and bruises, front bumper very damaged after hitting a badger, passenger side mirror covering knocked off when parked. Car boot flooring is also missing.

What kind of money would you think that car is worth now based on the above description?

moonship

Personally I would stay away. At this mileage you will have shocks, lower wishbones, turbo, and similar gone pretty soon. Plus DPF problems.
There is a lot similar cars with lower mileage. I would say realistic price max 6 grand

bazz26

It wouldn't appeal to me as it sounds like it's had a hard life and not treated very well which also have me concerned around what sort of regular servicing did it get, if any?

navara man

was the timing belts done at 20000km ?.. ford dealer want 1000euro to do belt on them

MidlandsM

The BIG question here is, how much does he want for it?

Ded_Zebra

The milage wouldn't put me off but the description of the condition of the car would.

Deedsie

navara man wrote: »

was the timing belts done at 20000km ?.. ford dealer want 1000euro to do belt on them

Hi guys, thanks very much for all the replies. I really appreciate it. I am very ignorant on all this stuff.

No the timing belt hasn't been done, the exact mileage is 209390. It costs €1000 to get the timing belt changed? Holy crap

As for my description, the car has a perfect service history. A badger hitting the bumper was a bit of a freak occurrence. And the wing mirror cover was just as it was parked it got hit. Other than that the car does look very clean.

navara man

Deedsie wrote: »

No the timing belt hasn't been done, the exact mileage is 209390. It costs €1000 to get the timing belt changed? Holy crap

that the quotes I got from a ford dealer in cork. that because from 07 on they start to put two timing belts 1.8tdci . they used to have a timing belt and a timing chain but from 07 on they now used two timing belts

Ded_Zebra

Well when compared to this one which has about 60,000km less on it for €6,250 you would want to get it for about €4,250-€4,750 as the belt needs to be done and has higher milage.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2008-ford-mondeo-1-8d-nct-1-15-tax-08-13/5162678

OldmanMondeo

navara man wrote: »

that the quotes I got from a ford dealer in cork. that because from 07 on they start to put two timing belts 1.8tdci . they used to have a timing belt and a timing chain but from 07 on they now used two timing belts

Ok, just to correct you there, there was a change from belt/chain to belt/belt, but it was in 2008. You would need to check with a dealer to see which combination it has. Also bear in mind that the water pump is not run from the belt so only needs to be changed should it start leaking.

OP, I have the same model, year and engine and about 2k in difference in miles. If you are going to consider this can, you will need to know how the miles where put on it, Motorway or city. Check for service history, and get the clutch and DMF checked, and any noises after knocking the engine off, then walk away or your looking at just under €1k.

MidlandsM

OP, answer the question please, how much does the seller want for it?

also, a T belt change on them is not a Grand in cost.

Deedsie

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

Ok, just to correct you there, there was a change from belt/chain to belt/belt, but it was in 2008. You would need to check with a dealer to see which combination it has. Also bear in mind that the water pump is not run from the belt so only needs to be changed should it start leaking.

OP, I have the same model, year and engine and about 2k in difference in miles. If you are going to consider this can, you will need to know how the miles where put on it, Motorway or city. Check for service history, and get the clutch and DMF checked, and any noises after knocking the engine off, then walk away or your looking at just under €1k.

The dmf and the starter have been previously changed apparently. The clutch hasn't though. Mostly motorway driving!

Deedsie

MidlandsM wrote: »

OP, answer the question please, how much does the seller want for it?

also, a T belt change on them is not a Grand in cost. A belt kit is just circa €70.

She doesn't know what she wants for it. Told me to find out what it's worth for her first etc and we'll go from there.

Though she was hoping for €6+

MidlandsM

Deedsie wrote: »

She doesn't know what she wants for it. Told me to find out what it's worth for her first etc and we'll go from there.

Though she was hoping for €6+

It's not worth that with all the work needs doing, and when you have the work done its still a very high milage mondeo.

I'd struggle to give her 4k for it, and only if it was in good shape.

OldmanMondeo

Deedsie wrote: »

The dmf and the starter have been previously changed apparently. The clutch hasn't though. Mostly motorway driving!

Ok, if the DMF was changed and the clutch left I would walk away, sounds like someone who would scrimp and not get the jobs done properly. There is no real saving in getting the DMF done and not the clutch, it is so labour intensive that I am sure the mechanic would have advised getting it done at the same time. I would guess the DMF failed because the starter went.

Since it is the LX model, ie Low Xtra's, and the bits missing and damage, €6k+ is too high. Use the link below to find out when the car was built, if 2007 built, then it is belt/chain. You will also see what extra's it doesn't have.

http://www.etis.ford.com/vehicleRegSelector.do;jsessionid=623E7ADA721073D89E30B7BFCBF021AF.fcvas508

Deedsie

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

Ok, if the DMF was changed and the clutch left I would walk away, sounds like someone who would scrimp and not get the jobs done properly. There is no real saving in getting the DMF done and not the clutch, it is so labour intensive that I am sure the mechanic would have advised getting it done at the same time. I would guess the DMF failed because the starter went.

Since it is the LX model, ie Low Xtra's, and the bits missing and damage, €6k+ is too high. Use the link below to find out when the car was built, if 2007 built, then it is belt/chain. You will also see what extra's it doesn't have.

http://www.etis.ford.com/vehicleRegSelector.do;jsessionid=623E7ADA721073D89E30B7BFCBF021AF.fcvas508

Primary Features
Build Date: 26.11.2007
Vehicle Line: Mondeo 2007-
Body Style: 4 Door Saloon
Version: Series 20
Engine: 1.8L Duratorq-TDCi (100PS) - Lynx
Transmission: 5-Speed Manual Trans - MTX75
Drive: RHD FWD
Emission: Stage IV Emissions
Air Conditioning: Manual Air Conditioning
Territory: (+)"IRL"
Paint: Stardust Silver (Metallic)
Interior Fabric: Minute / Infinity Blue

dr.fuzzenstein

Deedsie wrote: »

The dmf and the starter have been previously changed apparently. The clutch hasn't though. Mostly motorway driving!

To change the DMF but not the clutch is madness!
I'd walk based on that alone.
The clutch will do 250k km and you're very close. You're looking at close to a grand from an indy garage, because you will have to change the lot, DMF and clutch, anything else will just mean more trouble ahead.
That was a crazy decision and was money saved in the wrong place.

navara man

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also, a T belt change on them is not a Grand in cost.[/QUOTE]
if it not grand how much is it then ? that the quote I got in ford dealer in mallow

mickdw

I think it might be incorrect to assume the clutch wasnt done. THe owner told op that dmf was done. If they know nothing about cars, they might not know anything of the clutches relation to the dmf and as they have no recollection of the clutch failing might say that the clutch was never changed.
As said above, it would be daft to do dmf without the clutch.

Supergurrier

Horrible milage
Horrible spec
Horrible engine

Probably would prefer a boggo spec terra avensis over one of these

Also don't buy cars off people you know if you can avoid it, leads to aggro down the line one way or the other and lulls you into a false sense of security and you overlook things like mechanical checks so as to be *Sound*

Supergurrier

Ugh and it's 5 speed in a 2008 diesel

Hell no

George Dalton

navara man wrote: »

if it not grand how much is it then ? that the quote I got in ford dealer in mallow

About €650 in an independent garage. The parts retail at approx €325 ex VAT.

Deedsie

@Mickdw the clutch definitely was not changed. Her dad talked her out of changing it at the time as the clutch was working perfectly when the dmf and starter was changed.

I have decided not to buy the car anyway. I have relayed all this very much appreciated information to the seller. She has asked me now what I think she she should do with the car.

Would she be better off going to a car dealer and trying to trade it in against another used car? What would a car dealer offer her ~ballpark? (I know that is really hard to answer)

Or would she be better off changing the timing belt/chain and hoping the clutch holds out?

Or changing the timing belt/chain, repairing the front bumper and wing mirror cover and then selling the car privately for whatever she can get?

OldmanMondeo

Deedsie wrote: »

Primary Features
Build Date: 26.11.2007

Built within days of mine, Belt/Chain on it.

As for her selling it on, get a trade in value from a dealer, see what the are going for on carzone, donedeal, adverts etc and try sell it in the midrange of these prices. then if she needs to change, cash buyer would get a better deal.

Deedsie

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

Built within days of mine, Belt/Chain on it.

As for her selling it on, get a trade in value from a dealer, see what the are going for on carzone, donedeal, adverts etc and try sell it in the midrange of these prices. then if she needs to change, cash buyer would get a better deal.

She is in an awkward position now.

I was hoping someone could give me a ball park figure for a few jobs to be done on a Ford Mondeo 2008 TDCi 1.8 LX?

Timing Belt/chain changed, full service including 3 bulbs need to be changed.

Front bumper changed or repaired if possible? At the moment the passenger side is hanging down a bit and the fog light on that side has been damaged. In your experience is it ever possible to repair a damaged bumper or is it almost always a matter of replacing them once they get damaged at all?

FrontDoor

Deedsie wrote: »

She is in an awkward position now.

I was hoping someone could give me a ball park figure for a few jobs to be done on a Ford Mondeo 2008 TDCi 1.8 LX?

Timing Belt/chain changed, full service including 3 bulbs need to be changed.

Front bumper changed or repaired if possible? At the moment the passenger side is hanging down a bit and the fog light on that side has been damaged. In your experience is it ever possible to repair a damaged bumper or is it almost always a matter of replacing them once they get damaged at all?

Put it up on DoneDeal for 5-5.5k, as is. List the issues with it and somebody will come along and buy it, sooner or later.

Most people could not care less about 6 gears or or spec. A lot of people don't care about scuffs, etc either.

paddyc310

I would stay clear of that one,,lots of low genuine milage,full service record cars at reasonable prices out there at the moment good luck,,

dr.fuzzenstein

Deedsie wrote: »

She is in an awkward position now.

I was hoping someone could give me a ball park figure for a few jobs to be done on a Ford Mondeo 2008 TDCi 1.8 LX?

Timing Belt/chain changed, full service including 3 bulbs need to be changed.

Front bumper changed or repaired if possible? At the moment the passenger side is hanging down a bit and the fog light on that side has been damaged. In your experience is it ever possible to repair a damaged bumper or is it almost always a matter of replacing them once they get damaged at all?

Timing chain change on those not necessary, so that was a bit of a waste, but with clutch possibly on the way out and it needing a mirror and a front bumper, the bills are quickly escalating on that car.
Sell it on as is and cut your losses, if she spent what I think will be €1500 by now on it, she'll never get the money back.
Stick it up for sale, be honest about the condition and let someone else worry about it.
This is beyond a quick tidy up and it need of serious money. Never worth it.

MidlandsM

navara man wrote: »

[QUOTE

also, a T belt change on them is not a Grand in cost.

if it not grand how much is it then ? that the quote I got in ford dealer in mallow[/QUOTE]

yep, we've done a few ourselves, i can get the bits in the uk a bit cheaper.

about €550 to €600.

MidlandsM

navara man wrote: »

[QUOTE

also, a T belt change on them is not a Grand in cost.

if it not grand how much is it then ? that the quote I got in ford dealer in mallow[/QUOTE]

yep, we've done a few ourselves, i can get the bits in the uk a bit cheaper.

about €550 to €600.

You'll only get rode going into ford for standard rudimental work like that, no point.

Deedsie

Deedsie wrote: »

She is in an awkward position now.

I was hoping someone could give me a ball park figure for a few jobs to be done on a Ford Mondeo 2008 TDCi 1.8 LX?

Timing Belt/chain changed, full service including 3 bulbs need to be changed.

Front bumper changed or repaired if possible? At the moment the passenger side is hanging down a bit and the fog light on that side has been damaged. In your experience is it ever possible to repair a damaged bumper or is it almost always a matter of replacing them once they get damaged at all?

I'll try put up some pics of the bumper and wing mirror. Unfortunately I can only put up one at a time on my phone. Annoyingly

Deedsie

Pic 2

George Dalton

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

Built within days of mine, Belt/Chain on it.

Anything built after 08/10/2007 has the twin belt setup.

Deedsie

Pic 3

Deedsie

Pic 4

Deedsie

Pic 5

Sorry about all those posts, I didn't know how else to upload them.

maidhc

George Dalton wrote: »

Anything built after 08/10/2007 has the twin belt setup.

Why did they go back to the twin belt? IIRC the old Endura DE in the Mk1/2 mondeo also was twin belt?

OldmanMondeo

George Dalton wrote: »

Anything built after 08/10/2007 has the twin belt setup.

No, mine was built November 2007, it is a belt/chain set up. Confirmed by 2 Ford dealers.

Deedsie

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

No, mine was built November 2007, it is a belt/chain set up. Confirmed by 2 Ford dealers.

I could take a pic of the engine to confirm if someone could direct me to what I am looking for?

I presume a belt of some kind

George Dalton

My understanding was always 08 October 2007 based on info from my local Ford dealer but I will check again in the morning as it is a pretty important question to know the correct answer to!

I was on to the dealer this morning about the car in the OP and it is showing as having the twin belt setup btw.

OldmanMondeo

OP, new wing mirror, the bumper can be repaired, had something similar on her car a few years ago. Was there a foglight on it? Check www.somora.ie for prices on parts. €170 for the bumper, €50 for the foglight. The mirror would be €100 for complete unit or €30 for the cover, but the mirror looks too bad to just get away with the cover. Someone here might be able to advise labour charge on getting them fitted and sprayed.

George Dalton

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

No, mine was built November 2007, it is a belt/chain set up. Confirmed by 2 Ford dealers.

Have a read of this:

http://www.talkford.com/topic/207136-mk4-mondeo-diesel-timing-belt-facts/

Not trying to contradict you but it is something you should make 100% sure about.

dr.fuzzenstein

George Dalton wrote: »

Have a read of this:

http://www.talkford.com/topic/207136-mk4-mondeo-diesel-timing-belt-facts/

Not trying to contradict you but it is something you should make 100% sure about.

Was told by a Ford dealer (when trying to ascertain the belt/chain setup of my own 06 1.8 TDCI) that it sometimes depended on what they had lying around in the factory.
So it's a bit of a lotto sometimes...

OldmanMondeo

George Dalton wrote: »

Have a read of this:

http://www.talkford.com/topic/207136-mk4-mondeo-diesel-timing-belt-facts/

Not trying to contradict you but it is something you should make 100% sure about.

No worries, 2 dealers, different parts of the country. My mechanic also checked with his contacts. I would be 100% sure on it.