Car accident on narrow road

new2me

My girlfriend had a bit of an accident on a country road this morning with a jeep and cattle trailer.
She was going around a corner when she met the jeep and trailer when the jeep arch and trailer scraped the side of the car.

They both stopped and young guy who was not at all pleasant got out shouting about “could you not keep in” and “what is wrong with you”.
The thing is she was in to her own side but it’s a narrow road and they met at the corner.
She wanted to exchange insurance details etc but he said “its fix your own vehicle lady” on these roads. Then drove off…

ted1

Did she get his reg?
Did she report it to the guards?

goz83

If she has no details, there is nothing she can do. If she has a plate number, thats a start. The guy fled the scene of an accident.

new2me

Yes got the reg number as she knows the guy to see as lives about 4 miles away.
Didnt report it yet to the guards

Cee-Jay-Cee

Report it to the guards. He can be prosecuted for failing to remain at the scene of a accident and us obliged under law to provide his insurance and driving licence details.

Insurance companies would class it a 50/50 accident.

GoodisonPark

Get her to call the Guards and report a hit & run.

GoodisonPark

CJC999 wrote: »

Insurance companies would class it a 50/50 accident.

OP's gf was in her own side of the road.

new2me

CJC999 wrote: »

Report it to the guards. He can be prosecuted for failing to remain at the scene of a accident and us obliged under law to provide his insurance and driving licence details.

Insurance companies would class it a 50/50 accident.

ok so the damage to his vehicle is a scraped arch moulding probably cost about €25, damage to her car about €600

Tabnabs

GoodisonPark wrote: »

OP's gf was in her own side of the road.

She says... The other driver will say the same for himself and the insurers will go 50/50.

goz83

It will be his word against hers, but she can report and he might get sh1t canned for it.

brianwalshcork

He should have handed over his details if they were requested.

Were both cars/jeep moving forward when the scrape happened, or was one of them stopped?

Quazzie

GoodisonPark wrote: »

OP's gf was in her own side of the road.

Prove that.

If you can't she can say she was flying on the moon and it'll be tolerated the same.

new2me

Tabnabs wrote: »

She says... The other driver will say the same for himself and the insurers will go 50/50.

yes but she should put a claim in for €600 and he also will put a claim in too and the insurance company's will fight it out between them.
but there is no such thiing as fix your own in this case...Both vehicles were moving

Del2005

GoodisonPark wrote: »

OP's gf was in her own side of the road.

If the road wasn't wide enough for 2 cars to meet, like a lot of Irish roads, then she could have been on the wrong side without knowing.

Then there's the being able to stop safely in the distance you can see on your own side of the road, if she'd been stopped then it's totally the other drivers fault, but as she was also driving it's partially her fault. It's a 50/50 claim, but the other driver should be most definitely reported for leaving the scene of an accident without providing their details. Also when reporting the crash make sure to mention the cattle trailer, too many people tow these without a valid licence.

knifey_spoonie

I would also be asking if he has a trailer license, chances are if he is a young lad he won't have one. This would normally not bother me but if he's acting like a dick id be stressing the point to the gardai when you report it.

MugMugs

It will probably be 50 50 and frankly if the damage isn't too bad then probably not worth her while chasing.

new2me

Del2005 wrote: »

If the road wasn't wide enough for 2 cars to meet, like a lot of Irish roads, then she could have been on the wrong side without knowing.

Then there's the being able to stop safely in the distance you can see on your own side of the road, if she'd been stopped then it's totally the other drivers fault, but as she was also driving it's partially her fault. It's a 50/50 claim, but the other driver should be most definitely reported for leaving the scene of an accident without providing their details. Also when reporting the crash make sure to mention the cattle trailer, too many people tow these without a valid licence.

she knows the road well and slowed up coming up and kept tight into the corner but did not stop as there is enough room if your careful to let 2 vehicles by but even if she had stopped the other guy would say she had not anyway
We also think he does not have the licence to tow a trailer behind the jeep we do believe that is why he wanted none of it and wanted to get away as quick as possible

Rose35

This happened to me, i had to replace my wing mirror, put it through insurance as have comprehensive, the other car didn't stop but i turned and followed and got reg number, she was very uncooperative so i proceeded to garda station and made a statement, they rang her and asked her to come in and produce her license which she did 5 days later, she said it was 50/50 but no damage to her car, insurance companies just had to fight it out amongst themselves. to date I haven't been compensated for the excess of 150 euro I had to pay. wing mirror in total cost 500, lucky i have my no claims protected, the guard said I could bring her to court for leaving the scene of an accident but techically I left the scene as well because I followed her to get a reg, he said i should have remained there and called the guards, it was a narrow road with no white line, it was considered 50/50 but at least I reported it to the guards, she will keep to her own side in future.

Duiske

Tabnabs wrote: »

She says... The other driver will say the same for himself and the insurers will go 50/50.

The op's girlfriend already has the advantage here.

“its fix your own vehicle lady” on these roads.

What a load of bollox. If the other driver had felt he was in the right he would surely have said so. He didn't. He tried to claim there is some special 50/50 clause in place when driving on a narrow road. There isn't.
Op, tell you girlfriend to report it asap.

BohsCeltic

Report it to the guards straight away, he could have done this himself already. Its situations like this when dash cams are worth the money spent

Gosub

Would dash cam video be acceptable as proof in this situation? If the driver could prove that they made every effort to stay out of trouble would the insurance company still use the 50/50 rule?

goz83

Gosub wrote: »

Would dash cam video be acceptable as proof in this situation? If the driver could prove that they made every effort to stay out of trouble would the insurance company still use the 50/50 rule?

It would depend on how much proof the cam provided.

BohsCeltic

Gosub wrote: »

Would dash cam video be acceptable as proof in this situation? If the driver could prove that they made every effort to stay out of trouble would the insurance company still use the 50/50 rule?

I don't know but it could mean the other party backing down if they knew they were in the wrong as it was on camera. I'm not sure how it would work on the legal side if things if they would accept it as proof or a witness

Gosub

goz83 wrote: »

It would depend on how much proof the cam provided.

Let's say it provided time, location via GPS, speed via GPS and clearly showed the registration of the other vehicle. Oh, and audio of the other driver's response.

Cee-Jay-Cee

new2me wrote: »

ok so the damage to his vehicle is a scraped arch moulding probably cost about €25, damage to her car about €600

Unless there are witnesses or CCTV showing what happened then no one can say who was on what side of the road and the insurance companies will treat it as 50/50

Patrick2010

I think if I hit another car, told the other driver "its fix your own car on these roads" I'd be expecting a visit from the guards for leaving the scene of an accident.
Guards and insurance company should both be informed, sounds like he has either insurance or licence issues.

goz83

Gosub wrote: »

Let's say it provided time, location via GPS, speed via GPS and clearly showed the registration of the other vehicle. Oh, and audio of the other driver's response.

In "this situation" it would not have much proof. Time and location would be irrelevant unless the other driver denies the accident, but im sure the exchange of paint is proof enough there. I would not likely prove the jeep was speeding at the corner/bend. Registration could be handy to prove it was the jeep, but again, the damage is proof enough. Audio? Maybe if the window, or door was left open, it would help.

Patrick2010

Also might have helped if the OPs GF took a photo of the scene when she stopped the car.

biko

Report it to the guards
Report it to your own insurers
It'll probably come down to 50/50

But if you do nothing you tell this lad its ok to hit people and drive off.

CiniO

GoodisonPark wrote: »

OP's gf was in her own side of the road.

She well could have been - driving on the edge of the surface on the left.
The same as other driver on his side.
But they still could have collided, as road was probably too narrow to accommodate both of them.

Gosub

CiniO wrote: »

She well could have been - driving on the edge of the surface on the left.
The same as other driver on his side.
But they still could have collided, as road was probably too narrow to accommodate both of them.

If the car driver could prove they were stopped at the time of impact, surely the blame falls on the jeep driver, or vice versa, of course.

Barr

Gosub wrote: »

If the car driver could prove they were stopped at the time of impact, surely the blame falls on the jeep driver, or vice versa, of course.

How exactly do you think this could be proved unless there is a witness ? It will come down to one word against another.

new2me

but near impossible to prove that

Gosub

Barr wrote: »

How exactly do you think this could be proved unless there is a witness ? It will come down to one word against another.

GPS dash cam?

EazyD

First call of action should be to notify the Gardai, regardless of the expected outcome. It is a criminal offence to leave the scene of an accident and it won't look good for him. Contact your insurer to explain the situation, once they have it recorded, wait until you more is established on the Gardai end... People like that POS, hike insurance rates collectively for all of us.

2pack

would the guards bother to come out to look unless someone was badly hurt,
didn't the other guy in the jeep stop and have a look, then leave ..

zl1whqvjs75cdy

Yes they will definitely bother. In my stupid younger days I did a hit and run on a parked car. Guards were at my house that evening. Totally my own fault, I was new to driving and thought I was the dogs nuts. Just ended up having to pay for the damage, no conviction or anything.

hugh1224

donkeyoaty0099. 'Just ended up having to pay for the damage, no conviction or anything.'
how long ago was that?

EazyD

2pack wrote: »

would the guards bother to come out to look unless someone was badly hurt,
didn't the other guy in the jeep stop and have a look, then leave ..

Stopping, having a look and then leaving does not cut it, the guy was involved in a collision, and as such has an obligation to remain on-site. The Guards will take this seriously as it is a hit and run

goz83

If nobody is injured, it suffices to take photos of the scene and report it to the gards and the insurers, but it must be reported. The guy driving the jeep was well out of order and suspect no license for the trailer, if at all.

Henry Ford III

CJC999 wrote: »

Report it to the guards. He can be prosecuted for failing to remain at the scene of a accident and us obliged under law to provide his insurance and driving licence details.

Insurance companies would class it a 50/50 accident.

Name address and insurance details yes, but license no I reckon.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

hugh1224 wrote: »

donkeyoaty0099. 'Just ended up having to pay for the damage, no conviction or anything.'
how long ago was that?

Hmmm bout 5 years ago? Why so?

SCOOP 64

Is the op sure the other driver has insurance?
this reason i would report it in case he has not.

Del2005

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

Is the op sure the other driver has insurance?
this reason i would report it in case he has not.

I'd report the f**ker for leaving the scene of an accident without exchanging details. Let the authorities deal with his licence and insurance status.

BohsCeltic

EazyD wrote: »

Stopping, having a look and then leaving does not cut it, the guy was involved in a collision, and as such has an obligation to remain on-site. The Guards will take this seriously as it is a hit and run

Like they did when my car was hit in a garage beside the garda station :rolleyes:

new2me

OK we now know for sure that he has not got the licence to tow the trailer so he wouldnt be properly insured at all then.
Will let the Guards deal with it but who is going to fix her car, nearly €600 worth of damage as whole side of car will need to be painted to match it in....

TLEN

goz83 wrote: »

If she has no details, there is nothing she can do. If she has a plate number, thats a start. The guy fled the scene of an accident.

Yes plate number !!

goz83

TLEN wrote: »

Yes plate number !!

Wow. A genius. Note that you quoted post #3, which was before it was established that a plate number was taken.

EazyD

BohsCeltic wrote: »

Like they did when my car was hit in a garage beside the garda station :rolleyes:

Was there CCTV? Witnesses? I find it hard to believe they took zero interest..

TLEN

goz83 wrote: »

Wow. A genius. Note that you quoted post #3, which was before it was established that a plate number was taken.

Better later than never LOLOLOLOLOLOLO

BohsCeltic

EazyD wrote: »

Was there CCTV? Witnesses? I find it hard to believe they took zero interest..

I was in paying for petrol when it happened, only found out when i came out and it was pointed out to me, had a witness, reg number and the garage had cctv. Guards response was she would phone me back in an hour if she got details but if not it would be three weeks as she was going on holidays :rolleyes: