** 2013 Music HL Before/After **

Undeadfred

This is the music Thread.

Does anyone know if there's somewhere online that has a list of all the music definitions we need to know? eg. Obligato, chaconne etc.

Also, was last year's paper considered easy?

ChemHickey

Undeadfred wrote: »

This is the music Thread.

Does anyone know if there's somewhere online that has a list of all the music definitions we need to know? eg. Obligato, chaconne etc.

Also, was last year's paper considered easy?

I am not 100% sure if there are a list of definitions online with them but in the Soundscapes book/Less Stress More Success Music books they usually have a list of them. Don't go out and buy them just to get the list but mores you should do what happens in some other threads, where you ask "Define chaconne" and they reply with the definition and then ask a question "define obbligato etc.".

Last year's Paper was a strange paper. Some of it was hard some was easy. I myself found the composing paper really easy but found some of the listening difficult. I was really happy I got an A1 in the end anyways. The irish music essays weren't the nicest either but it wasn't the worst paper.Note that A1 rate went way down however so it could probably come up this year.

Just a tip for the unheard section; I have no clue who the Chief Examiner is or what genre/instrument of music he plays but there has been a recomposition of Vivaldi's 4 Seasons (it was recomposed last year (october 2012)) so if I were to predict something for part of the unheard section it would be something to do with the recomposition. It's not a guarantee just a tip on a possibility. I thought they could throw something up with Glee either last year or Smooth Criminal on 2 Cellos. If it were the Recomposition, it probably wouldn't be something from Spring because Spring 1 was on the JC syllabus but maybe Summer 1/3 or Winter 1/2 .

Here's links to the recomposition piece:

(give the original a listen to as well to get the gist of the differences)

Smooth Criminal on Cellos :

It's worth looking at them anyways as practice and just note the differences to the originals.

I'll be in and out of this thread a lot so if you've any questions ask away

Undeadfred

That's great thanks

Moromaster

I would seriously doubt the Four Seasons; it's on the JC syllabus.

ChemHickey

Moromaster wrote: »

I would seriously doubt the Four Seasons; it's on the JC syllabus.

Only Spring I and II from the 4 Seasons is on the Junior Cert Syllabus. The rest isn't. It is unlikely it will come up anyways seeing as ANYTHING can come up but it's worth a look over to practice and see the different techniques used and comparing them which is like what is asked in the LC unheard section.

Acciaccatura

I'm home alone singing Bach (namely the Bass Aria an octave higher than written) at the top of my voice to the recording when I realise the window's open and my neighbours are out the bach garden...hope they like Baroque :pac:

andrew369

Hoping for Tchaikovsky as question one. Going to Verona over summer and that is where Romeo and Juliet was set. TIS A SIGN I SAY!!!

Anyone else be having an emotional breakdown if Barry finally comes up?

kevin12345

andrew369 wrote: »

Hoping for Tchaikovsky as question one. Going to Verona over summer and that is where Romeo and Juliet was set. TIS A SIGN I SAY!!!

Anyone else be having an emotional breakdown if Barry finally comes up?

Yeah I'm thinking Tchaikovsky with focus on the Exposition possibly? I honestly think I'd cry if Barry came up. If it does it better be Section A,B1, C9 or the last 2. I can't differentiate the rest of the C's from one another! I'd say Bass aria/recitative for Bach and possibly the rock section for Queen?

andrew369

kevin12345 wrote: »

Yeah I'm thinking Tchaikovsky with focus on the Exposition possibly? I honestly think I'd cry if Barry came up. If it does it better be Section A,B1, C9 or the last 2. I can't differentiate the rest of the C's from one another! I'd say Bass aria/recitative for Bach and possibly the rock section for Queen?

Well the intro, ballad and operatic sections came up for Bohemian last year so that only really leaves the rock section and outro I think. Honestly any part of Tchaikovsky and Queen I think I could handle. My Bach could be a little better but Barry is just god awful. I am the same can barely even tell the sections of it apart. Hell of a lot of learning for such a small section of the course.

CoolDudesJunk

Have nearly a week to study for this! That doesn't mean an A1 of course, staving off procrastination will be tough.


This playlist will help anybody having issues with their listening:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eUBCBjunrc&list=PLF966032D01DFC3A6

andrew369

CoolDudesJunk wrote: »

Have nearly a week to study for this! That doesn't mean an A1 of course, staving off procrastination will be tough.


This playlist will help anybody having issues with their listening:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eUBCBjunrc&list=PLF966032D01DFC3A6

Forget a week to study, week to learn the course for me. :P Had an awful music teacher outside school since it wasn't an option for me at my school. Pretty much thought me nothing other than that I would be good at the practical section. I think I will be ok for the written section but the listening is looking a bit dodgy. Anyone any tips on absolute bare essentials I should learn for the written and listening? I have Dara Blacks notes as a guide.

ladymacbeth

Ok so um, help.
I am panicking over the works big time. What do I study (no study done on them all year).
Also have Ag and Chemistry to study for.
Paper 2 is ok but the works, dear god. My practical went very well so there's pressure on me now. I am freaking out what do I need to know. Which sections of the works are likely to come up ??

curly135

Ah lads, Barry's great craic

Really, it's actually one of the easiest questions to answer on if you've done some bit of study, the same questions tend to come up on it in the exams. I'd be pretty happy if it came up as Q.1

Personally it's the Irish music question I'm dreading :pac:

Acciaccatura

curly135 wrote: »

Ah lads, Barry's great craic

Really, it's actually one of the easiest questions to answer on if you've done some bit of study, the same questions tend to come up on it in the exams. I'd be pretty happy if it came up as Q.1

Personally it's the Irish music question I'm dreading :pac:

Yeah, once you can tell the sections apart (putting a story to it helps), it's grand! Glad someone else thinks so :P

Irish music's grand, my prediction for the 10 mark essay is the harping tradition. Sure PM me if ye need a hand with it, I do love trad

Monsieur Folie

This subject has been sorely neglected by me. I will need to have a crash course in it on Wednesday. :P

What are the super key & important aspects I should study for the set works? I'm grand for the composition, and for Irish Music & Unseen I know what I have to do.

curly135

Acciaccatura wrote: »

Yeah, once you can tell the sections apart (putting a story to it helps), it's grand! Glad someone else thinks so :P

Irish music's grand, my prediction for the 10 mark essay is the harping tradition. Sure PM me if ye need a hand with it, I do love trad

Hoping for that one too, one of the few I've prepared well, if it comes up I can write away about Turlough O'Carolan and bardiac harps and all that Tis more the listening part I'm nervous about, but hopefully they won't ask anything too difficult :P

hitchcock

Hey guys, when we are writing our melodies, where do our phrase marks begin and end? Above the first note and last note in the first system? And in upbeat melodies, do we have to draw a little phrase mark above the extra one/two notes at bar 4? Sorry if this is confusing to read

SmidgeBall

A, B1, C1, C2, B2, C3, D1, D1 & B3, E1, C4, C5, E2 & D3, C6, C7, F & C8, C9, G, H

Screw you Barry and your system, I WILL PREVAIL! I have a gut feeling it's going to be Barry for Q1 because the SEC hate us, but I've been doing so much study on it I kinda hope it is Really gunning for the a1, Set for the composing paper just nervous about the listening, Irish music and aural skills in particular...

SmidgeBall

hitchcock wrote: »

Hey guys, when we are writing our melodies, where do our phrase marks begin and end? Above the first note and last note in the first system? And in upbeat melodies, do we have to draw a little phrase mark above the extra one/two notes at bar 4? Sorry if this is confusing to read

It's easy if you just do a the little comma thing at the end of the bar for phrasing, it's easier not to mess up, for the upbeat melody you put the comma BEFORE the up beat (eg, if it's in 4/4 time with a crochet upbeat then place phrasing after the third beat -not the 4th) Hope that helped

Keggers2

Man, it really feels like I don't know a single bloody thing, especially composing. Really hoping it'll just 'come to me' on Thursday!

kevin12345

I have no energy to study for this.

http://leaving-cert-helpnotes.blogspot.ie/2012/06/leaving-cert-irish-traditional-music.html

Monsieur Folie

Cry for help here lads. :P I use my teachers layout for the melody writing, using all of his tips & tricks along the way and the highest I've ever gotten was 30/40. Same goes for backing chords, 50/60. That's when I employ his methods perfectly btw, if I slip up at all it's usually less. In fact, he's almost outright said a few times that this is as much as we should be aiming for with his methods, and that it's down to 'the taste of the examiner & how they like your overall piece' as to whether or not you pick up the other marks.

Our layout is:
¦ Given ¦ Given ¦ Given ¦ Given ¦

¦Dev b1 ¦Dev b2 ¦ascend - link note¦mod to dom, then V7¦

¦Seq b2/3¦Seq b9 ¦ascending climax ¦V7 ¦

¦Invert b5¦Invert b6¦ii V7¦I ¦

We are usually told to start out mf, building it up slowly to ff at the climax then letting it go back down again to f to finish. After that the only dynamics I would use at all are slurs & then maybe a bit of staccato in the climax.

How can I tweak this to get full marks? Are there a list of rules concerning intervals and stuff that you need to follow or at least keep in mind to make sure your piece sounds good?

It's annoying because I have a good grasp of what we have done. I just feel like we haven't done enough, and I've no book to refer to or anything, we were told not to bother with one. Should have gotten one anyway

jackkeane

If you look at past exams Bach has come up as 25marks SO many times! Its so strange, whats wrong with Tchaikovsky?! Queen and Barry have only been 25makrs each too. Bach is my worst one at the moment. Hoping to crash study tomorrow.


Ahhh I've done nothing for Irish music... what are people expecting? My teacher said if I know the 2012/2011 answers 1 out of the 8 should be on it again... is that safe?

Hoping for Irish dance types!!

andrew369

jackkeane wrote: »

If you look at past exams Bach has come up as 25marks SO many times! Its so strange, whats wrong with Tchaikovsky?! Queen and Barry have only been 25makrs each too. Bach is my worst one at the moment. Hoping to crash study tomorrow.


Ahhh I've done nothing for Irish music... what are people expecting? My teacher said if I know the 2012/2011 answers 1 out of the 8 should be on it again... is that safe?

Hoping for Irish dance types!!

I think Tchaikovsky is due up this year considering the amount Bach has been up and Queen being up last year. Barry was on 2005 I think but that is pretty recent compared to Romeo and Juliet not being up since the 90s. :P

As for Irish essays lot of people I talk to are going for harping tradition and influence in North America/abroad as probably being in there but it is anyone's guess really.

jackkeane

andrew369 wrote: »

I think Tchaikovsky is due up this year considering the amount Bach has been up and Queen being up last year. Barry was on 2005 I think but that is pretty recent compared to Romeo and Juliet not being up since the 90s. :P

As for Irish essays lot of people I talk to are going for harping tradition and influence in North America/abroad as probably being in there but it is anyone's guess really.

Thanks! I'll definitely do them so.

Dude Love 1

Hello everyone. Does anyone have links to proper marking schemes for the set works? I keep looking at the answers on examinations and they say 'any valid answer' and I'm thinking.. is my answer valid or not... It would really help if there were some proper marking schemes so you know if you're right or wrong! And I cant get a hold of the 2001,2000 and 1999 aural tapes either.. stresssss!!!

jackkeane

Dude Love 1 wrote: »

Hello everyone. Does anyone have links to proper marking schemes for the set works? I keep looking at the answers on examinations and they say 'any valid answer' and I'm thinking.. is my answer valid or not... It would really help if there were some proper marking schemes so you know if you're right or wrong! And I cant get a hold of the 2001,2000 and 1999 aural tapes either.. stresssss!!!

Unfortunately there are no 'answers' as such for these. Maybe try referring to your score/ notes to check if you're right. Usually if it says 'any valid answer' the range of answers are very broad so if you say something definitely in the score, its right!

http://edco.ie/lcmusic

You can get 1999, 2000 and 2001 listening audios here! ^^

Dude Love 1

jackkeane wrote: »

Unfortunately there are no 'answers' as such for these. Maybe try referring to your score/ notes to check if you're right. Usually if it says 'any valid answer' the range of answers are very broad so if you say something definitely in the score, its right!

http://edco.ie/lcmusic

You can get 1999, 2000 and 2001 listening audios here! ^^

Thankyou, you're right it's best to just look at notes for any of those questions. Whenever I click into a soundfile on that link, windows media player cannot play it because it does not support the protocol... god damn!

jackkeane

Dude Love 1 wrote: »

Thankyou, you're right it's best to just look at notes for any of those questions. Whenever I click into a soundfile on that link, windows media player cannot play it because it does not support the protocol... god damn!

Oh no thats so annoying! they have been working for me

kevin12345

Just had a grinds session with my teacher there. She said she's expecting Tchaikovsky for q1and to know the solfa for the themes! She's anticipating that the coda might be asked! Dance/sean nos/fusion for Irish music. Harp/composer/dances for essay!

Major + major for melody and harmony!

HelloFluffy

For the Irish music essays, basically leave out anything that came up last year.
And for the melody, the only real way of getting full marks is to go on your instinct! Formulas will only get you so far, but if you can sightread the given opening, you kind of just have to go with it.

Dreading the harmony question

Breloom

Hi guys, was wondering if anyone could resolve this for me:

For the Barry question in 2011, section B2 came up and it asked:
"This excerpt features a change in texture. Explain."

I was wondering what this was because we were just told it was polyphonic throughout!

Thanks.

_LilyRose_

Breloom wrote: »

Hi guys, was wondering if anyone could resolve this for me:

For the Barry question in 2011, section B2 came up and it asked:
"This excerpt features a change in texture. Explain."

I was wondering what this was because we were just told it was polyphonic throughout!

Thanks.

Is that the section where it's played five times with instruments added in each time, getting louder. Then the fourth time is really soft and then it gets loud again for the fifth?
Sorry if none of that makes sense!

Breloom

_LilyRose_ wrote: »

Is that the section where it's played five times with instruments added in each time, getting louder. Then the fourth time is really soft and then it gets loud again for the fifth?
Sorry if none of that makes sense!

Does adding an extra instrument in count as a change in texture?

_LilyRose_

Breloom wrote: »

Does adding an extra instrument in count as a change in texture?

Yeah it's a "fuller texture"

Breloom

_LilyRose_ wrote: »

Yeah it's a "fuller texture"

That's a relief. Thanks!

HankScorpio_

kevin12345 wrote: »

Just had a grinds session with my teacher there. She said she's expecting Tchaikovsky for q1and to know the solfa for the themes! She's anticipating that the coda might be asked! Dance/sean nos/fusion for Irish music. Harp/composer/dances for essay!

Major + major for melody and harmony!

Solfa? Is that like being able to write the actual score?
Also, does anyone know the definitions I should learn for Tchaikovsky?
It's my favourite piece to listen to, but I find it so hard to study

HankScorpio_

Also, does anyone have a sample answer of what to say if they ask your opinion on Barry?
I always say I like it (it's easier) and give valid reasons why but can never seem to get full marks..

Acciaccatura

HankScorpio_ wrote: »

Also, does anyone have a sample answer of what to say if they ask your opinion on Barry?
I always say I like it (it's easier) and give valid reasons why but can never seem to get full marks..

Did you ever mention because it's a prime example of the contemporary 20th century genre of music (something like that)? Examiners love that crap

Edit: I don't have sample answer, sorry

HankScorpio_

Acciaccatura wrote: »

Did you ever mention because it's a prime example of the contemporary 20th century genre of music (something like that)? Examiners love that crap

Edit: I don't have sample answer, sorry

Nope, I've never thought about that! Great idea, cheers

NMCOC

HankScorpio_ wrote: »

Solfa? Is that like being able to write the actual score?
Also, does anyone know the definitions I should learn for Tchaikovsky?
It's my favourite piece to listen to, but I find it so hard to study

The definitions our teacher told us to learn we're PRogramme music and concert overture, hope this helps

Acciaccatura

HankScorpio_ wrote: »

Nope, I've never thought about that! Great idea, cheers

No bother sure, it's the kind of stuff I come out with when I'm stuck tbh :P Oh, I'll get some Tchaikovsky definitions for you and post them up later

NMCOC

What do people think q. 1 will be

HankScorpio_

NMCOC wrote: »

What do people think q. 1 will be

Bohemian Rhapsody.. if only

andrew369

NMCOC wrote: »

What do people think q. 1 will be

Romeo and Juliet or (good help us) Barry. If only Bohemian hadn't been up last year.

Keggers2

Hey guys, found this really hand Youtube playlist, give it watch or two, really helped me get my mind straight!

The detail is fairly light, but it's handy as an overview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeJ0kWIHqhg&list=RD24hH6z9zxeSJ4

HankScorpio_

Quick question.. is the 7th movement in Bach the only one with a Picardy 3rd?

LpPepper

HankScorpio_ wrote: »

Quick question.. is the 7th movement in Bach the only one with a Picardy 3rd?

Movement 1 has one too...

Dude Love 1

HankScorpio_ wrote: »

Quick question.. is the 7th movement in Bach the only one with a Picardy 3rd?

What's a picardy 3rd? I still have to go over Bach later!

LpPepper

Dude Love 1 wrote: »

What's a picardy 3rd? I still have to go over Bach later!

It's called "Tierce de Picardie" - it's when on the final chord in a minor key, the major 3rd is introduced into the final chord. As in Movement 1, it's in Gminor but the final chord is a G Major.

Dude Love 1

Keggers2 wrote: »

Hey guys, found this really hand Youtube playlist, give it watch or two, really helped me get my mind straight!

The detail is fairly light, but it's handy as an overview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeJ0kWIHqhg&list=RD24hH6z9zxeSJ4

Had a look at that this morning, its handy the way Tchaikovsky is done in sections rather than one big 20 minute video where you have to stop and start!!