I am usless at this! :(

ShadowHearth

So the more I am playing the worse it gets....

I am driving light tanks like a20. I am constantly droped in to games with tank rank4 vs rank8... Thing is I can't even scratch anyone! Not even others light tanks. Just can't penetrate a damn thing!

I am working now to get at least medium tank as light tanks just really annoy me.

Spear

Unfortunately this stage of progress is a sudden ramping in learning curve and difficulty.

What the games doesn't mention is that the tier 4 lights are regarded as scouts, and are given much higher spread in opponents. Given the higher tier lights available, it's something they should really reduce by now.

This link:

http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/06/11/complete-8-6-mm-table/

shows the spread of tanks and what they can face.

Trying to attack anything or take hits just won't work. You'll need to learn to play more cautiously and just spot for the heavier tanks.

If you spot an enemy, and someone else damages them, you get half the XP from it.

Also take the time to look for an opening through to the enemy arty to give them the slaughtering they so richly deserve.

You may find the T-46 -> T-28 -> KV1 less frustrating. The KV1 is the singly most played tank in the game by a large margin, and one of the earlier heavies to get.


Edit: Jingles has a basic intro video too:

kingtiger

Shadowhearth if you are looking to platoon search for me in-game this evening

I am grinding a few low tier tanks at the moment, and always on for a game in my Pz-1c\T-127

username: Ballbag101

ShadowHearth

Cheers lads. Sorry for not replying last night. Good few too many drinks.

I noticed the role of light tanks. It should work fine in theory, but some light tanks are even slower then medium tanks they get pined against. Which makes light tanks a bit useless I guess.

I am working towards kv-1 now too. I will have a lot of grinding before I get t34 and tiger too.

ShadowHearth

Just checked that video too. That explains a lot lol. If I feel better tonight I'll play again.

kingtiger

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I noticed the role of light tanks. It should work fine in theory, but some light tanks are even slower then medium tanks they get pined against. Which makes light tanks a bit useless I guess

not really, it comes down to crew training and transverse speed with the top modules also cammo rating with view range is usually better in scout vehicles

you just can't really judge a tank until it is elite with a 100% crew

just a word of warning that the German line is probably one of the toughest lines to play

go Soviet in the beginning as they are the most forgiving to new players

Shiminay

Gotta say, since I've been platooning a bit with my friend DotC who's been playing this game a lot in the last 2 years, and who will tell me on Skype what I should be doing or where I should be going, I've gotten to much better grips with the game. If you're available to Platoon up with anyone here who's offering and get on some manner of voice chat thing for tactics, then you'll have a much more enjoyable time of it I'd say.

ShadowHearth

I have team speak and vent. So it would be fun to play with someone. I do play with my buddy too, but we both are not great. :P

I love this game. I wonder if it would be worth it to put premium on it too.

ShadowHearth

Well, finally. I am out of the hole of death, for now anyway.

I got my t34 and almost fully upgraded with very very long 57mm cannon! :P Maybe I dont do a lot of damage, but I can penetrate even some Heavy tanks. Since I upgraded my t34 I am really started enjoying myself again!

Next one is t28. Got it fully upgraded with same cannon. Great tank for its tier and what it is. Its great machine and grind for KV-1 not going to be as bad as I though.

Still play my Fully pimped out BT-2! :P Love that little thing. I use it to farm XP and then convert it to free xp. Since my t28 and t34 finally got a few pubes I started using it less.

Spear

The T-28 was known in real life as the coffin for seven brothers. They're very much glass cannons. Just make use of the speed and try to never expose yourself to fire at all, cos it'll just slice right through.

Stiletto72

Yep, T28 is fast but it has paper armour.
Be careful.

ShadowHearth

Aye, always find a way to bump me down! :pac:


Its still a lot better then any light tank when I am droped vs 2-3 ranks higher med and heavy tanks! Plus I am able to scratch stuff too now.

Canis Lupus

Light tanks imo are an aquired taste. You don't really get to do much but scout and whether you like that sort of thing is personal.

The game gets better the bigger your tanks get as you can take more hits and get a chance to learn the game better. Read up a bit on angling (tank dependant) as it can dramatically improve your survivability.

Personally I went the US line and love them. They're more of a jack of all trades but they often have awesomely strong turrets, T29 is probably best in tier fully upgraded and it's turret is loltastic if you're in a good spot.

ShadowHearth

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Light tanks imo are an aquired taste. You don't really get to do much but scout and whether you like that sort of thing is personal.

The game gets better the bigger your tanks get as you can take more hits and get a chance to learn the game better. Read up a bit on angling (tank dependant) as it can dramatically improve your survivability.

Personally I went the US line and love them. They're more of a jack of all trades but they often have awesomely strong turrets, T29 is probably best in tier fully upgraded and it's turret is loltastic if you're in a good spot.

For the last 2 days I am just freaking Bombing everything left, right, centre! I think I found a set of tanks that I am really comfortable now.

t34 - got ace tanker with it last night. It is really satisfying when you manage to get all those Heavy bastards rolled around your finger in a t34. what a wonderfull machine!
t28 - I know it has a very bad nickname, but holy bejaysus, I kill stuff with that thing. I am almost 13.5k xp with it too for KV1. It is farming XP a lot faster then I expected.

The new tank that I am in to is a German light tank. Pz.kpfw. 38 (t) ( what a weird name... ) This is the only light tank that gives me boner! Last few games I was just dominating stuff! Had such a trololol moment just now. Where I actually killed some light and med tanks and managed to run in to enemy territory. Got greated by a huge heavy tank. All I could was hide behind building and poping out to take hits at him that do no damage. eventually he tried to catch me around the house and it all looked like Benny hill show lol. Some chat banter too. He got pissed off and drove off up the hill to watch me, which gave me time to point out his location on map and warn people on my team of his location ( only him and other med tank left ). So Our AA gun rolled in and took him from behind. BEST GAME EVER LOL.

Just one more question, why people are sending me invites to some training rooms? WTF is that?

Spear

The 38(t) is a neat little thing, and is pretty well balanced. They were Czech tanks in reality, sold to Nazi Germany prior to WW2.

ShadowHearth

Got kv-1 today. Sort of fun having light tanks run away from you, but god dammit default gun is horrible. Really embarrasing for a tank of such size. So got engine, suspension, armor/turret upgraded. Now need 4k xp for proper penetration cannon.

Spear

Now that we've created a monster, time for some other guides, this time from Quickybaby:

http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/251841-world-of-tanks-guides-and-gameplay-with-quickybaby-youtube/#top

Canis Lupus

ShadowHearth wrote: »

For the last 2 days I am just freaking Bombing everything left, right, centre! I think I found a set of tanks that I am really comfortable now.

t34 - got ace tanker with it last night. It is really satisfying when you manage to get all those Heavy bastards rolled around your finger in a t34. what a wonderfull machine!
t28 - I know it has a very bad nickname, but holy bejaysus, I kill stuff with that thing. I am almost 13.5k xp with it too for KV1. It is farming XP a lot faster then I expected.

The new tank that I am in to is a German light tank. Pz.kpfw. 38 (t) ( what a weird name... ) This is the only light tank that gives me boner! Last few games I was just dominating stuff! Had such a trololol moment just now. Where I actually killed some light and med tanks and managed to run in to enemy territory. Got greated by a huge heavy tank. All I could was hide behind building and poping out to take hits at him that do no damage. eventually he tried to catch me around the house and it all looked like Benny hill show lol. Some chat banter too. He got pissed off and drove off up the hill to watch me, which gave me time to point out his location on map and warn people on my team of his location ( only him and other med tank left ). So Our AA gun rolled in and took him from behind. BEST GAME EVER LOL.

Just one more question, why people are sending me invites to some training rooms? WTF is that?

I haven't got a T34, I opted for a Super Pershing instead (and incredibly pissed that they're nerfing it) but that's a solid tank with a great gun.

In regards to shooting bigger tanks it helps to learn about weak spots and how angles REALLY affect your chances of making a penetrating shot (and obviously how angling yourself help prevent damage).

I think WoT is a great game, really well balanced and it's something that has been on my harddrive since it went beta. I have periods where I'll drift away (only so many pub games you can take when you watch 4 people afk and the remainder all go in one direction) but I keep coming back to it time and time again. Almost got my first t10 tank as well

The T28 is crap by the way :P Easy to kill a paper thin target as big as a house :P

The training room generally is where you can one on one someone (free repairs, you only pay for ammo). So perhaps if you've pissed someone off they're trying to one on one you to show they're 'better' or it could be for any number of reasons.

Spear

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I haven't got a T34, I opted for a Super Pershing instead (and incredibly pissed that they're nerfing it) but that's a solid tank with a great gun.

He means the Soviet T-34, not the US one.

kingtiger

just a quick reminder Shadow, don't forget to sell your unused modules in the depot

I didn't do that for months and found 2 million credits just gathering dust

ShadowHearth

kingtiger wrote: »

just a quick reminder Shadow, don't forget to sell your unused modules in the depot

I didn't do that for months and found 2 million credits just gathering dust

I think I was in depot and sow a lot of stuff in there already. I dont hang on low tier tanks. I just hang on to 3-4 I like.

I got back home and did a few things, so now I am free to watch that fella on youtube that you lads linked.

I will a good few games today and will get KV-1 pimped out fully. then I decide if I like heavy or not.

Canis Lupus

Spear wrote: »

He means the Soviet T-34, not the US one.

Stupid Russian tanks *spits*

ShadowHearth

Got the biggest cannon I could mount on KV-1 and now I finally can see why I was afraid of this tank as a light tank.

So I am mainly now with T34 ( russian vodka engineering version ) and KV-1. If both out I play t28 for XP to voncer or that light german tank.

Problem is i am not sure if I continue training furter in to next tanks or try some other low tier tanks. Panther sounds sort of fun.

Shiminay

I'm aiming to get to the IS-3 and then I'm probably gonna start down the German line cause my friends who play Germans all seem to have kick ass tanks

kingtiger

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Problem is i am not sure if I continue training furter in to next tanks or try some other low tier tanks. Panther sounds sort of fun.

I would recommend not rushing up the tiers, stay around tier 5-6 until your crews have are a 100% with at least 100% in one perk

learn the maps and the different playstyles of different tanks and higher tiers will be a lot more enjoyable

Aenaes

I agree with kingtiger here. I'd recommend you get yourself another tier 5. That way you're learning another nation, getting more games under your belt and just improving overall.

copeyhagen

give the tds a go, russian is a lot of fun, su85 at tier 5 is a great credit earner.

i always kinda preferred the tds a little bit. havent played the game in a few weeks, on a break, but when i started i always wanted the obj 704... had the best gun in game back then. so went and got that first, and went russian heavies. they share a lot of modules so works out cheap.

when i finished up i had tier 8 td for french and the US. both fun too.

Nody

Russian TDs are the definition of glass cannons; great fun as long as you hit but if you get shot back you're dead...

ShadowHearth

I got 6 tanks rotation now. 2 german and 4 russian. No TDs in it. To be honest, I dont like TDs at all. I got a mix of light/medium/heavy.

So as you said, I am sticking in tier 5. I am just playing around and learning the maps. Good spots, bad spots, idiotic spots and "You taking a piss there, lad" spots. Sometimes I kill 5 tanks in one game, sometimes I burn in holy fire in the first 2 minutes. So I still suck, but at least I am getting better at sucking!

So I am just hoarding XP now. Want to get 2 rank 5 german tanks first. Will play around with them and go one from there. So far I love medium tanks most.

Canis Lupus

In fairness the grind increases at t5 so you can't really go too crazy.

Try some US tanks :P I love them personally.

ShadowHearth

Well, looks like I am back in to noob tier... :rolleyes:

I got t34-85 (T6) and KV-1S (T6) now. I am just being ass ****ed every single time. With t34 and KV-1 I was pinned against T5 and T6 tanks, but with these new ones I am pinned against T8 24/7... Even with biggest cannon on t34-85 I cannot even scratch anyones armour... Annoying as feck! :mad:

The match amking is dumb as hell in this game. And I dont buy the "scout" bull**** anymore. Getting droped vs t7-8 Heavy tanks in t28 is dumb.

I will be honest, the most fun I am getting in WoT with my Tier2 BT-2 little tank. At least I am playing against other Tier 2 tanks...

Spear

T28 can't see tier 7 or 8 unless you've platooned with a higher tier tank.

The KV-1S with the 122mm is a particularly feared if not OP tank though.

ShadowHearth

Spear wrote: »

T28 can't see tier 7 or 8 unless you've platooned with a higher tier tank.

The KV-1S with the 122mm is a particularly feared if not OP tank though.

I really was with tier7 tanks. tier8 must have blended in from jumping a lot from t34 to t34-85. Even so, tier 6 kv-1s vs t28 is unfair fight, no matter what way you look at it. even scouting excuse does not cut it.

I need to get that 122mm for my KV-1s. I spent my free xp on upgrades for t34-85, which now feels wasted. It does great if it is fighting against its own tier, but good luck with anything above that.

*I must be just having a bad day on WoT today... I can already see myself next week going all "This thing is awesome!" again...

Shiminay

I've just got the upgraded 122 for my IS, so I've been able to put the previous 122 back on my KV-1S. I did have some difficulty penetrating big tanks with it, but all you can do is practice aiming at engines, fuel tanks, commander cupolas and ammo racks to score hits with it. I definitely didn't enjoy my early days with the 1S as much as I did with the KV-1, but it's just that you've taken that jump from "casual" to "experienced" and are looking down the barrel at "expert" so it's a different class of game now.

Spear

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I really was with tier7 tanks. tier8 must have blended in from jumping a lot from t34 to t34-85. Even so, tier 6 kv-1s vs t28 is unfair fight, no matter what way you look at it. even scouting excuse does not cut it.

You'll need to stop doing that. The tier 7 can face up to tier 9, and it's his tier that determines the match, not yours. And when you do that, you're simply no use to your team, and only going to be oneshotted on first sight.

ShadowHearth

Spear wrote: »

You'll need to stop doing that. The tier 7 can face up to tier 9, and it's his tier that determines the match, not yours. And when you do that, you're simply no use to your team, and only going to be oneshotted on first sight.

Stop doing what?

Nody

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Stop doing what?

Stop platooning with a T7 is what he's refering to; by doing so you're put in games based on the highest tier tank (i.e. the T7) and you'll struggle to do anything.

kingtiger

the T-34-85 is a good tank when fully upgraded with a good crew, you just have to flank and choose when is best to attack then hit heavily armoured enemy tanks in their weakspots

you should've played the Beta if you wanted an unfair mm

ShadowHearth

Nody wrote: »

Stop platooning with a T7 is what he's refering to; by doing so you're put in games based on the highest tier tank (i.e. the T7) and you'll struggle to do anything.

I dont. I platoon only with my friend now and then and we both always go same tier. He might understood me.

Anyway, I did had a good game with t34-85. Got 4 kills. Less then 3 minutes to round finish. Was satisfying flanking 2 heavies and winning the game for our team!

Spear

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I dont. I platoon only with my friend now and then and we both always go same tier. He might understood me.

Getting droped vs t7-8 Heavy tanks in t28 is dumb.

There's no other way for a T28 to face a tier 8, unless the player count on the server is extremely low late at night.

ShadowHearth

Spear wrote: »

There's no other way for a T28 to face a tier 8, unless the player count on the server is extremely low late at night.

I play after work, around 11:00-12:00. the reason I still farm on t28, because I get mostly fair Tier fights, today was crazy. I was pinned against very high level stuff, that I cant even scratch!

Spear

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I play after work, around 11:00-12:00. the reason I still farm on t28, because I get mostly fair Tier fights, today was crazy. I was pinned against very high level stuff, that I cant even scratch!

That still shouldn't be happening. Have you got a replay example?

ShadowHearth

Well, got my KV-1S fully upgraded and crew on 91% and t34-85 almost fully upgraded with crew at 97%.

Finally I am getting some good games! I am back on the ball. KV-1S is very satisfying in tier 6 games. So satisfying to one shot some of the tanks. Plus you dont hear much of "it bounced! :pac:" in KV-1S.

One question: Does stuff like reloading speed increases with better crew? Is there a benefit of having a crew at 80% instead of 50% for example? Or crew only gets benefits when hits 100% and gets those perks?

Nody

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Well, got my KV-1S fully upgraded and crew on 91% and t34-85 almost fully upgraded with crew at 97%.

Finally I am getting some good games! I am back on the ball. KV-1S is very satisfying in tier 6 games. So satisfying to one shot some of the tanks. Plus you dont hear much of "it bounced! :pac:" in KV-1S.

One question: Does stuff like reloading speed increases with better crew? Is there a benefit of having a crew at 80% instead of 50% for example? Or crew only gets benefits when hits 100% and gets those perks?

You can only select 1 perk at the time and only once your crew is at 100% or finished of the perk (each perk is double the exp of the previous so perk one is 100k exp then second is 200k, third 400k etc. so don't expect to get more then two or three at T10 so pick carefully!). Also note some perks only work once you've hit 100% (reload speed is not one of them thankfully).

Now lets say you move your crew over to a new tank and do silver training (always always do silver or gold re-training) so your crew is now 90% main skill and lets say 50% on secondary skill. You'll now not get any experience going to your secondary skill until you max out your primary skill but your secondary will still work at the % it is at (so lets say 50% reload will remain no matter what).

ShadowHearth

To all the people who say that I cannot get in to The rank 7 game with rank4 tank:

I am in rank 6 game with someone in rank 2 TD. He is not in group with anyone too. The ranking system is a mess at times.

Spear

ShadowHearth wrote: »

To all the people who say that I cannot get in to The rank 7 game with rank4 tank:

I am in rank 6 game with someone in rank 2 TD. He is not in group with anyone too. The ranking system is a mess at times.

Got screenshots or a replay?

ShadowHearth

Spear wrote: »

Got screenshots or a replay?

I dont, I know... I will get it next time as since then I was in game with someone in tier 1 tank. those would be more extreme examples. I might have overlooked something and be wrong. Still, some matchmaking is really out of place.

So far looks like there are only few tiers where you can have fair fights. Tier 1,2 and 10. ( 10 is a guess, but surely as soon as you on top, there are no "topper" )
In fact, my best games were always in tier 2. Its the most fair battleground. Maybe boring due to lack of diversity, but at least fair.

I still enjoy the game. I got fully upgraded t34-85/KV-1S. I am getting more experienced and finding better spots and tactics. Even so, most enjoyable matces are only the ones where I am in my own tier game.

Spear

Sometimes you just have to take the good with the bad. A bad match arrangement will only take maybe 5 to 8 minutes on average, and then it's on to the next fight at least.

ShadowHearth

Spear wrote: »

Sometimes you just have to take the good with the bad. A bad match arrangement will only take maybe 5 to 8 minutes on average, and then it's on to the next fight at least.

Indeed. When I see that I am droped in to a stupid match up, then I just try to do something different as an experiment and see where does the line goes between Stupid and "Daring, but can be pulled off". At least when you know that you can de feck all, you can do something not by the books.